Post: #376

Magnesium.

Magnesium radically boosts your sex drive. And most people are low on it.

Post: #377

(09-11-2013 12:09 AM)NovaVirtu Wrote:  I'm not a huge guy (155 lbs) so perhaps that's why this smaller dosage is having a such an effect. Can't wait to up the dosage next week.

Easy Tiger, if you're not careful you'll end up mounting some old lady in the parking lot of the 7/11 while she's putting groceries in her trunk and then chew some passing white knight's face from his skull when he tries to pull you off.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #378

By the way, has anyone continued with the megadoses and experienced any negative effects after a while? Or decreasing effects?

Just curious. I only take 50mg these days and never stuck with the megadose long.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #379

Bro's, just be weary that megadosing zinc will mess up your copper absorbtion quite drastically.

I think that is a bit more prudent to keep your zinc intack at around 30mg per day and get the rest from meat. For a pro sex drive supplement give raw eggs a try.

Post: #380

I have definitely had results from 2 x 50mg. One in the AM and one at night.

Something very strange happened to me last night after just a couple days on Zinc.

I've had women start talking to me out of no where. The std don't I know you? And such and asking me for my number. I'm serious and this never happens.

Even stranger was I was in a coffee shop last night when this guy wants me to move so he and his girlfriend can sit down. I was definitely willing to help but was confused about what he was saying. I thought he wanted me to move down but he wanted to move a table beside me. This guy begins getting hostile with me and very agitated. I told him .."you need to calm down." Then he gets more agitated and I tell him, "hey, relax" while I'm still feeling calm about everything and willing to help him. Then he gets in my face and tells me he is going to "button me up" I said "what?" " are you serious?" as he gets right in my face over my chair.

I'm surprised this is happening but right then my mood immediately changes. It is one of those moments where things can go either way. I seriously was debating to stand up and grab this guy by the collar and drag him outside.

This kind of thing never ever happens to me. I'm 6 foot and over 200lbs. This guy was maybe 5 8 and scrawny. But I was jacked and didn't care if he was 7 foot. He proceeds to banging the chairs and tables around. Then his girlfriend comes out and sits beside him so he wasn't doing it to impress her.

The original poster mentioned different reactions from women. It wasn't till I calmed down that I realized I had a different reaction from both men and women. Each of these circumstances rarely happen to me.

I'm a decent looking guy but I don't have women asking for my card and start talking me up like I have recently.

And I never have people threaten me. Especially as I actually feel more calm.

Coincidence? I don't know but just reiterating wht the OP said.

On a side note I sure am happy I took the "high road" with that guy. If I did what I wanted to I'm sure someone would have called the cops. I would be looking to get bailed out instead of a deep sleep in my bed, which is another nice benefit..

Post: #381

I think some of you may be reading into this a bit much.

I take 300mg a day, and have been doing so for over 5 months and can't really report much outside of the first few months of being on it.

Post: #382

I'd be hesitant to take anything over about 50mg a day. I've started (two days ago) taking 25mg in zinc and a multivitamin that contains a further 10mg. I'll report back if I see any positive changes.

Post: #383

(10-01-2013 02:26 PM)AfgScarface Wrote:  I think some of you may be reading into this a bit much.

I take 300mg a day, and have been doing so for over 5 months and can't really report much outside of the first few months of being on it.

Bro, you're gonna fuck up your kidneys! 30mgs is enough on a slightly empty stomach and no calcium intake (slows absorption). You're taking WAY too much.

Try switching to ZMA before bed, you'll probably get the same effect you're getting now on freaking 300mgs?? You're crazy dude!

Anyways, can't push this product enough... ZMA

ZMA

ZMA

Post: #384

Guys, be careful with this stuff. You start megadosing zinc day in day out you can develop zinc toxicity sooner than you know. Also most zinc supps don't have copper and you'll get copper deficiency. Bad news.

If you're going to use a zinc supplement, use OptiZinc which is the best formulation (it has copper), and you don't need more than 1 a day.

Best of all, don't take it daily, but only for the occasion. Take 1 or 2 OptiZinc a couple of hours before fucking, with a couple of these, and get ready for a very solid bust. Only taking it in a targeted way will keep the effect more potent.

Post: #385

zma versus tribulus terrestris...which is betteR?or both of them?

Post: #386

Ran out the day before yesterday ):

Post: #387

(10-04-2013 04:37 AM)ry_an Wrote:  zma versus tribulus terrestris...which is betteR?or both of them?

I take both but if I had to choose it would be ZMA. Tribulus seems to have a similar effect as l-arginine on me.

Post: #388

(10-01-2013 07:24 AM)stpete Wrote:  I have definitely had results from 2 x 50mg. One in the AM and one at night.

Something very strange happened to me last night after just a couple days on Zinc.

I've had women start talking to me out of no where. The std don't I know you? And such and asking me for my number. I'm serious and this never happens.

Even stranger was I was in a coffee shop last night when this guy wants me to move so he and his girlfriend can sit down. I was definitely willing to help but was confused about what he was saying. I thought he wanted me to move down but he wanted to move a table beside me. This guy begins getting hostile with me and very agitated. I told him .."you need to calm down." Then he gets more agitated and I tell him, "hey, relax" while I'm still feeling calm about everything and willing to help him. Then he gets in my face and tells me he is going to "button me up" I said "what?" " are you serious?" as he gets right in my face over my chair.

I'm surprised this is happening but right then my mood immediately changes. It is one of those moments where things can go either way. I seriously was debating to stand up and grab this guy by the collar and drag him outside.

This kind of thing never ever happens to me. I'm 6 foot and over 200lbs. This guy was maybe 5 8 and scrawny. But I was jacked and didn't care if he was 7 foot. He proceeds to banging the chairs and tables around. Then his girlfriend comes out and sits beside him so he wasn't doing it to impress her.

The original poster mentioned different reactions from women. It wasn't till I calmed down that I realized I had a different reaction from both men and women. Each of these circumstances rarely happen to me.

I'm a decent looking guy but I don't have women asking for my card and start talking me up like I have recently.

And I never have people threaten me. Especially as I actually feel more calm.

Coincidence? I don't know but just reiterating wht the OP said.

On a side note I sure am happy I took the "high road" with that guy. If I did what I wanted to I'm sure someone would have called the cops. I would be looking to get bailed out instead of a deep sleep in my bed, which is another nice benefit..

Zinc boosts your testosterone and lowers your estrogen levels. It's an aromatase inhibitor.

I was doing androstenedione back when it was over the counter. It's a pro-hormone and precursor to testosterone. You have to take an aromatase inhibitor with it to balance out the excess estrogen that comes with it.

I was working out hard but was hardly cut or jacked. It's just that you've got all this extra testosterone and it's coming out of your pores as sweat and pheromones. I got plenty of positive reactions from women. The pheromones thing is real. Just not the shit they sell as a topical cologne or spray. You just have to understand how it works.

Post: #389

Take good quality Zinc with Copper. I take the OptiZinc and experimented with mega and super doses in the past. I don't need more then one or two OptiZincs a day.

My craziest Mega-dosages where upwards of 500mg in one day, aside from massive stomach discomfort I was fine, the Zinc quality of that dosage compete shit though. No need to push my luck when one or two OptiZinc will do the same if not better job of a Mega-dose of the crappy stuff, the OptiZinc quality is superior to anything else I have taken.

Post: #390

Here in Thailand they have a supplement product called "Exec Bs" that has 15mg of zinc and 175mg of magnesium.

I've been taking 1-3 a day and have DEFINITELY noticed a difference across a few dimensions:

1. Better sports performance & recovery - This could be from the vastly improved sleep that comes from taking magnesium before bed.

Or it could be the heightened testosterone from the Zinc. Either way, I've been training jiu jitsu almost every day of the week, sometimes 2 classes, and I'm barely even sore the next day.

Also my energy levels and aggressiveness is higher during the classes. Very cool effect I wasn't at all expecting!

2. Bigger loads - Yesterday I dropped a Nagasaki sized load on a girl's pretty boobies. We were both surprised and laughed about the copious discharge.

This was only after 1 day of no sex and I almost never cum this much. Felt like a champ and the orgasm lasted longer. :-)

3. Better sleep - sleep feels very solid. Vivid dreams. Very rested in the morning.

4. Getting IOIs - yeah, like the other posters mentioned, I've been getting more looks from girls than usual.

5. More aggressive about approaching - I've been on a tear for the past 2 weeks, approaching girl after girl on the train, street, in the mall, etc., getting numbers like crazy. It only dawned me as I was writing this post that 2 weeks is about how long I've been taking the supp.

Overall, very awesome supplement. The Exec Bs run 550 baht at a Boots for you Thailand guys.

But I'm going to go ahead and order optizinc from iHerb.com to avoid the copper deficiency issue.

Thanks to the OP for bringing this to everyone's attention!

Post: #391

So finally what does everyone think is the most effective way to supplement zinc?

ZMA
Zinc Gluconate
Zinc Picolinate
Optizinc (zinc with copper?)
I think some other forms were mentioned too

I started taking ZMA but the recommended doses are quite high and it's extremely expensive, so I'm a little unsure about it. Regular zinc (gluconate) I've used before and I do get some of the effects described here but not at the same intensity I get with ZMA.

But I'd like to switch to either the L-Optizinc or the zinc picolinate soon. Who has tried both and can break down the differences?

Post: #392

I have tried the both the cellucor brand and the gmc brand. As far as cost per serving the gnc brand is significantly cheaper and the dosage is about the same. The one difference is that the cellucor brand adds melatonin in an attempt to make sleep deeper and more restful. I believe that I sleep just as well from the gnc brand . The one drawback is that the gnc brand smells absolutely AWFUL! So much so that I would buy cellucor just to avoid having the smell on my hands.
All in all, as many others have mentioned, I have noticed a physic difference from zma; better sleep, better recovery, more energy, stronger workouts, etc. I hope this helps

Post: #393

For lifting days, do you all take Opti-zinc 30-45 minutes before a workout? right before a workout? immediately after? during dinner? etc. What would be the most beneficial time to take it. As of right now, I take it during dinner every day along with Magnesium w/Vitamin B-6, Vitamin B-1, and Fish Oil.

Suggestions?

Post: #394

(11-06-2013 09:38 AM)Remington Wrote:  For lifting days, do you all take Opti-zinc 30-45 minutes before a workout? right before a workout? immediately after? during dinner? etc. What would be the most beneficial time to take it. As of right now, I take it during dinner every day along with Magnesium w/Vitamin B-6, Vitamin B-1, and Fish Oil.

Suggestions?

Experiment with different times to intake the zinc and see what works best for you.

From what I understand, any time is good as long as you don't ingest it at a similar time to taking in a calcium source.

I either take it randomly in the morning or evening or just before bed.

Post: #395

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Experiment with different times to intake the zinc and see what works best for you.

From what I understand, any time is good as long as you don't ingest it at a similar time to taking in a calcium source.

I either take it randomly in the morning or evening or just before bed.
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Cool thanks for the input. I'll try experimenting with different times of the day to see if there is any difference. Probably go for taking it right before bed to start.

Post: #396

Here is a pretty awesome update about zinc from Poliquin *(yes, it's reputable).
I found this article on Facebook and am not sure how to source it.
Google it if you need. He goes under the handle "Strength Sensei and I'm going to follow it.

Charles Poliquin Wrote:Strength Sensei Nutrition Pearl #9



Why you need to get your red blood cell zinc levels tested if you are serious about your strength training efforts


I consider red blood cell zinc level testing one of the five most important cheap functional medicine tests to do. Optimal zinc status will affect your results in the gym because:


1. Zinc is essential for the production of androgens, IGF-1 and growth hormone.

Iran and Irak have the lowest levels of zinc in their soils, hence the onset of puberty in males is 17 years old. A far cry from the 12 to 14 years around the globe. That is also linked to their extremely low levels of testosterone.

If you don’t have enough zinc, you can’t grow muscle, and your energy and recovery will be piss poor.

2. Zinc is synergistic to the absorption of all nutrients known to man. As Robert Crayhon used to say, if you are deficient in zinc, you are probably deficient in a lot of nutrients.

3. Zinc is essential to insulin management. If you don’t have enough zinc, your entire insulin sensitivity mechanism is compromised. Translation, you have a hard time storing glycogen, induce anabolism, and your carbs keep building your fat stores instead of restoring glycogen levels.

4. Dopamine production is regulated by zinc. If you don’t have enough zinc, your dopamine levels tank. Hence, no drive in the gym, and moodier than a Kardashian. You cannot have higher mental functioning without enough zinc.

5. No zinc, you have the attentions span of a door knob. If focusing during sets is an issue and staying on target during your workouts is an issue, that could be a sign of zinc deficiency. This is why functional medicine practitioner used zinc as a primary intervention in treating ADHD patients.

Now how do you best test zinc? Use a red blood cell zinc test, NOT A SERUM ZINC TEST. If it is not covered by your insurance, you should not pay more than 12 to 40 dollars for it.

If maximal strength and size are your goals, you want to score above 1,400 ug/dl

Post: #397

So without having to read through this whole thread again. What brand is the best absorbing Zinc and where can I buy it?

Post: #398

(11-17-2013 09:30 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  So without having to read through this whole thread again. What brand is the best absorbing Zinc and where can I buy it?

Source Naturals Optizinc is the best formulation which also contains copper in the correct proportion (so you won't become copper deficient), and you can buy it here:

Source Naturals Optizinc

Post: #399

(11-17-2013 12:26 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:30 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  So without having to read through this whole thread again. What brand is the best absorbing Zinc and where can I buy it?

Source Naturals Optizinc is the best formulation which also contains copper in the correct proportion (so you won't become copper deficient), and you can buy it here:

Source Naturals Optizinc

You can get it at the Vitamin Shoppe for about $10 for 120 tablets. Great investment

Post: #400

(08-20-2012 11:44 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  I tried Zma and did not like it. And it did not yield the same results as this recent protocol. At first zma was cool but after a few days it had me sleeping way to long and really groggy during the day. Now I just use a magnesium spray, take epsom salt baths, or drink natural calm at night time. Also I take a b complex in the morn. Plus zma only had 30 mg of zinc in it. Those studies in the article I read were done with 3 mg to every kg of body weight.

Anyone else notice that ZMA makes you not want to get up in the morning?

Not too bad, but I think I am going to use it sparingly when it is not essential that I need to charge out of bed.

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Midnight, what spray do you use?