Post: #651

(06-11-2016 02:11 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Time to repost my Zinc Megadose Warning™ because guys are still trying to fuck themselves with stupid zinc megadoses, or using formulations that do not contain copper.

(07-27-2014 07:39 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  I'm reposting the below yet again because it looks like every couple of months someone else is trying to fuck himself over by ingesting MEGADOSES of zinc on the daily.

Take 35mg a day and use a formulation with copper, preferably Optizinc. Don't fuck yourself in the ass with stupid megadoses and copper deficiency.

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Once more -- I know I've posted this before and even very recently but I'd rather repeat myself endlessly than have someone doing this wrong:

1. USE OPTIZINC -- you do not want to use a zinc formulation that doesn't have copper and develop copper deficiency. Bad news.

OptiZinc

2. Do not take more than 35mg of zinc a day on a regular basis -- you really don't need more than that. You can make exceptions for special occasions.

Ok so it looks like I have been megadosing for about 2 years I use this ZMA - http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutritio...29452.html 3 caps at night before bed, which it says is the recommended dose!! (90mg/day) Surely everyones tolerances/requirements are different though?

Also from what you wrote I really need to add copper, I have a few months of the ZMA left so will order a separate copper supp then go onto a combined cap like the OptiZinc, which now I see is also a lot cheaper anyway! With OptiZinc being zinc/copper only, will it then be necessary to take magnesium/vit B6 separately - could do with something that combines everything!!

When I first started taking this I felt great, it knocked me out for an awesome sleep, increased horniess/erections - thinking about it the effects have definitely decreased massively now. Not sure if that's normal for the body to adapt to something you are taking, or if I have over done it and should take a break for a while.

Post: #652

(07-03-2016 01:37 AM)SanMiguel Wrote:  Ok so it looks like I have been megadosing for about 2 years I use this ZMA - http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutritio...29452.html 3 caps at night before bed, which it says is the recommended dose!! (90mg/day) Surely everyones tolerances/requirements are different though?

You're only getting 30mg from 3 caps, that's one 'serving'

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #653

(07-03-2016 04:44 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 01:37 AM)SanMiguel Wrote:  Ok so it looks like I have been megadosing for about 2 years I use this ZMA - http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutritio...29452.html 3 caps at night before bed, which it says is the recommended dose!! (90mg/day) Surely everyones tolerances/requirements are different though?

You're only getting 30mg from 3 caps, that's one 'serving'

Post: #654

I recently found an article about zinc's correlation to C.diff. Take a look and draw your own conclusions.


I believe I am still going to take my normal 45mg per day.

Too Much Zinc Increses Risk For C Diff

Post: #655

You definately want to be cautious with ingesting zinc and other "supplements". Its best to find healthy foods that naturally contain zinc.

Post: #656

You can take a cheap 'zinc tally ' test to assess your status..buy it online.
But for an accurate zinc test get a red blood cell zinc test. It's better than a serum zinc test.

Post: #657

Got some 30 mg chelated zinc tablets (supposedly chelated minerals are more absorptive or something), and have been taking 2 a day for the past week, changing nothing about my usual routine. I've been waking up earlier with more energy, increasingly restless, and doing more things in 3 hours than what used to take me 8.

Post: #658

Do you have to cycle zinc?

Post: #659

I am taking ZMA fairly regularly and it's improved my sleep a lot. Rather than struggling to get to sleep and waking up in the night multiple times I go out like a light and wake up smoothly in the morning. Pretty great.

I haven't had any more interesting dreams than normal (I've always had great dreams.)

Post: #660

People with healthy diets don't need to supplement zinc. Unless your diet sucks or you have a mineral deficiency, zinc shouldn't have any drastic effects on you.

I've supplemented zinc before and felt no difference. Probably due to the fact I was already eating enough meat and vegetables so there was no deficiency in the first place.

Post: #661

(10-12-2016 05:05 PM)Unchained Wrote:  People with healthy diets don't need to supplement zinc. Unless your diet sucks or you have a mineral deficiency, zinc shouldn't have any drastic effects on you.

I've supplemented zinc before and felt no difference. Probably due to the fact I was already eating enough meat and vegetables so there was no deficiency in the first place.

People here aren't taking it cause they have a deficiency. They are trying it to see if their body has benefits in having an excess amount

Post: #662

(10-12-2016 08:00 PM)-eWf Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 05:05 PM)Unchained Wrote:  People with healthy diets don't need to supplement zinc. Unless your diet sucks or you have a mineral deficiency, zinc shouldn't have any drastic effects on you.

I've supplemented zinc before and felt no difference. Probably due to the fact I was already eating enough meat and vegetables so there was no deficiency in the first place.

People here aren't taking it cause they have a deficiency. They are trying it to see if their body has benefits in having an excess amount

Zinc is a neurotoxin in excess doses. It's literally anti-nootropic, so careful. I found that as an athlete, 30mg optizinc every other day is fine.

Post: #663

Sorry if this has been answered already, but on the L-OptiZinc label it says "30 mg zinc (from Monomethionine)." I've read that Zinc monomethionine only contains 20% elemental zinc, so does this mean I'm only getting 6 mg zinc from each capsule, or does the label refer to elemental zinc?

Post: #664

I have also started using zinc. Here are my experiences.



Since it is my first time, I have started with 25mg capsules (manufactured by Natural Wealth - they suck, so avoid that label).

Recommended daily dose was 50 mg (2 capsules per day). I followed it.

No changes.




Then, I have increased my dose to 100 mg (4 capsules a day).

Managed to lift bigger weights in the gym (the Big Three). Also, my mental focus increased slightly, as well as energy levels.

Not bad.




I will, starting from today, increase intake to 200 mg (8 capsules a day), and report.




BTW, does anyone have experience while being above 200mg a day? What were the results?

Post: #665

I eat raw oysters every once and a while

Also canned oysters from Crown Prince

The powder I have is NUTRABIO zinc gluconate. It is 100% zinc gluconate and no impurities. But it does not say what it is derivived from.

I do not take the powder. I think it not healthy.

Oysters are a way better source of zinc.

Post: #666

(10-11-2016 11:08 AM)Enjoythedecline Wrote:  Do you have to cycle zinc?

Not sure but after taking zinc for over 2 years I found the main benefit of it helping me sleep well had massively reduced/stopped - didn't seem to make any difference if I took them or not. I thought I'd stop taking it for a while and had a 2 week break, started again last night and have slept so much better/deeper, just like when I first started.

(10-12-2016 05:05 PM)Unchained Wrote:  People with healthy diets don't need to supplement zinc. Unless your diet sucks or you have a mineral deficiency, zinc shouldn't have any drastic effects on you.

I've supplemented zinc before and felt no difference. Probably due to the fact I was already eating enough meat and vegetables so there was no deficiency in the first place.

I have a very good, varied diet - I eat more and far better than the average person with plenty of fresh meat, fish, veg. Don't drink much alcohol either and zinc definitely makes a difference for me.

I agree that the majority of supplements are a waste of time with even a moderately healthy diet. I've tried plenty in the past but for now just stick to zinc, good quality fish oil and vit D.

Post: #667

I have increased my daily dose to 150 mg (I am using pills that have C vitamin added).



My gym stats got better.


I need less sleep, to function normally.


Have three hands


And...I am becoming more aggressive and energetic. Must be increased T levels, I do not know.



God knows what would happen to me if I took 200 mg a day. I would probably literally fuck everything on sight.

Post: #668

I tried supplementing zinc really consistently for a fair amount of time, maybe two years or so. I definitely went with the lower amounts, didn't want to go overboard. I used I think it was that 25mg tablet with the copper added in for the most part, along with a 50mg version I got from a supermarket without copper.

The effects were actually quite pronounced. Mostly boosting my sex drive to be honest. A very similar effect to what I feel drinking pomegranate juice honestly. It is a very obvious and noticeable effect. When I was taking both it was pretty crazy, didn't make it easy to not masturbate. I'd say a very slight edge in charisma and talking to women but nothing crazy. As well as a slight edge in the gym, but I could be conflagulating that with the effects of creatine or something, hard to tell. And the 50mg tablet definitely had more kick to it. I also did not take it every day, only on days I was working out or going to be spending a lot of time in public around women. Didn't want to build up a tolerance or anything, which in my experience can definitely happen with supplements.

I still supplement it, but not as often for no particular reason, I guess I feel pomegranate juice basically does the same thing and is more natural to me. I try to be risk averse and these megadoses seems unnecessarily risky. Plus supplements are meant to be taken in moderation, to round out a healthy diet and lifestyle. I definitely recommend it though, somewhere around 25-50, but not every day and making sure to keep up with copper. The 25mg amount feels kind of weak, but I took it at like a 3-1 ratio with the other to keep up on my copper intake, just to be safe. Anyway, that's just my personal experience.

Post: #669

I have completely stopped ZMA and only occasionally take optizinc with a meal.

I'm extremely sensitive to taking it close to bed. If I do, I experience extreme hallucinations and night terrors in the middle of the night, which really screws up my sleep. This was what put me off ZMA after taking it consistently for a year or more. Not a happy side effect.

Post: #670

On a side note...I have noticed that Zinc makes me...more aggressive.

Has anyone experienced something like that?

Post: #671

Ginseng is another great natural supplement to take for both libido and good energy in general

Post: #672

(12-07-2016 01:05 AM)Irenicus Wrote:  On a side note...I have noticed that Zinc makes me...more aggressive.

Has anyone experienced something like that?

I noticed that as well, must be due to increased T levels?

Post: #673

How much of a factor is zinc in keeping acne at bay?

I've gotten some harsh break outs lately. Then I remembered that I haven't taken zinc consistently for at least a few months. Of course there are other factors involved, but I've heard many times that zinc is a main one.

Wondering if anyone here has personal experience.

Post: #674

After having some 'performance' issues a few months ago I came across this thread. Picked up some OptiZinc at the Vitamin Store. Been taking one of those a day and haven't had any issues since. Hair and nails seem to grow a little faster but so far everything else is fine.

Post: #675

(12-07-2016 01:05 AM)Irenicus Wrote:  On a side note...I have noticed that Zinc makes me...more aggressive.

Has anyone experienced something like that?

You're probably taking Gorilla zinc by mistake. It's loaded with Chimpanzymes and Ape-o-hydrates. You have to check the label carefully. They don't always make it clear...