Post: #101

Has anyone read his new book that came out a few weeks ago?

Post: #102

QC, the ebook was supposed to be release this past week according to Donovan's website, but I haven't been able to find it on amazon or even his own online store.

Post: #103

Finally got the ebook of Becoming A Barbarian last night, and I'm about a third of the way through it. So far, it comes across to me as a continuation of what Donovan wrote about 4 years ago in The Way Of Men about "us and them" with the polish of four more years of wisdom. I recommend it already.

Post: #104

This is his picture; still looks more masculine than most 'straight' male SJWs.

Post: #105

(04-08-2016 11:53 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Has anyone read his new book that came out a few weeks ago?

I ordered it, liking his focus on tribal mindset, but then skipped the country a couple of days later.

I'm where I am for another 3 1/2 weeks. I'll try and get one here before I move on again.

Post: #106

Milo interviews Jack Donovan on his podcast. The interview starts at 22 minutes in.

Post: #107

I have finished his new book. Overall, I did think it was an enjoyable read. I am on board with most of his ideas. The one area though that was disappointing to me, is that it seems as if the book throws out a lot of ideas of what you should do, though does not give any concrete examples of how to do it. For example, he mentions many times about forming your own tribe, though never states his opinion of ways to get that process started. Of course, at the beginning of the book he does mention that he is still in the process of doing that so is not completely sure how that works, though I feel like the book is simply thought provoking and not as much habit changing. Anyone else with thoughts or rebuttals to that?

With that said, I did enjoy both The Way of Men and this book and would read his next installment when it comes out.

Post: #108

(05-07-2016 08:24 AM)TheBadGuy Wrote:  I have finished his new book. Overall, I did think it was an enjoyable read. I am on board with most of his ideas. The one area though that was disappointing to me, is that it seems as if the book throws out a lot of ideas of what you should do, though does not give any concrete examples of how to do it. For example, he mentions many times about forming your own tribe, though never states his opinion of ways to get that process started. Of course, at the beginning of the book he does mention that he is still in the process of doing that so is not completely sure how that works, though I feel like the book is simply thought provoking and not as much habit changing. Anyone else with thoughts or rebuttals to that?

Yes, I can offer some.

I think you missed, as did all reviewers, that this book is at least in part a recruiting tool. This is not a criticism of Jack, his ideas, or his tribe - but when you see it in that light it becomes quite obvious why the how-to is left out, whether intentional or not.

You get the how-to of becoming a part of the wolf pack by joining the pack, should you be deemed worthy of the honor. Consider the book a call to prospects (if you pay attention, this is briefly implied within the pages), not a how-to guide for starting your own tribe, and in that sense it is fantastic "marketing" in its purest form. Let it be known that I don't mean marketing as in he doesn't believe it - the purest of marketing is usually of ideas the author truly and fully believes in, as does the author of this book.

The ideas are still worthy of consideration on their own, though in my own mind, they're ideas that are still problematic and incomplete in a few obvious ways as well. But this realization should at least put the source of your critique into a bit of perspective.

If you're really interested in doing your own thing, I think you can dig up some info online about how mc clubs are structured and how they operate. I'd consider long and hard whether there are some pitfalls of tribal living you might want to think about that have been left out of these books or glossed over, though. And how you can structure your own tribe in a way to account for the less than ideal realities with checks and balances.

For various reasons, I don't think Donavan's material is going to supply the answers to those aspects soon, but men have been creating clubs, gangs, and factions as long as men have existed, so surely the information is out there. In any case, good reading and food for thought. Every man has at least thought about these things at times and should think of them some more.

Post: #109

Maybe even some gays are fed up with SJW gays.

Other than that, I think a man should go for the Golden Mean: Don't become a self-hating feminist, don't become a drama queen who can't cooperate with other men who said a mean word once, but also don't love your own sex so much you want to share a bed with them.

Post: #110

(12-25-2013 10:07 AM)Clyde Rules Wrote:  ... the book then goes about explaining the idea of dishonor and flamboyant dishonor (stereotypical gay behavior) as being so distasteful because its an openly committed act by a man of rejecting the things that make up honor (strength, courage, and mastery).

I'm halfway through The Way of Men. In the chapter on Honor, Donovan makes a distinction between 'deficient masculinity' and 'flamboyant dishonor'.

Quote:Deficient masculinity is simply a lack of strength, courage or mastery.

Quote:Flamboyant Dishonor is an openly expressed lack of concern for one's reputation for strength, courage and mastery with the context of an honor group comprised primarily of other men.

This distinction rings true for me. I'm not as strong, courageous or competent as I want to be, but I care about these things -- and want to be respected for them by other men.

Post: #111

"The Way of Men" and "A Sky Without Eagles" are both classics. Both of them were full of really dank wisdom and knowledge. I know Jack is somewhat controversial for being a homosexual but his ideas are totally with merit.

Post: #112

(01-06-2018 08:39 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  I'm halfway through The Way of Men.

In a manly fashion, I highlighted the heck out of the chapter entitled BONOBO MASTURBATION SOCIETY.

CHIMPS = male societies
male coalitional violence
high hunting priority
resources are scarce
sex for mating
political domination by males
border patrols: yes

BONOBOS = female societies
bonobo females are in charge
females mate with males from rival groups (male cucks watch, join in)
low hunting priority
resources are plentiful
sex for pleasure
political domination mostly by female coalitions
border patrols: no

Quote:How long will men tolerate this state of relative dishonor, knowing that their ancestors were stronger men, harder men, more courageous men -- and knowing that this heritage of strength survives in them ... Is the way of the bonobo the only way that is left?

Another theme of this chapter is why women prefer globalism and the implications of this for men.

The final chapter covers how to start/build/find your own tribe. As Beyond Borders noted above, there's not a lot of guidance here about that. Jack does mention:

1. The importance of face time and geography: live/move within few blocks of your male friends / support network. Less important: internet friends.

2. Do stuff together. 'Tactically oriented outings', 'take a workshop', 'learn a skill'. Not just going out to eat / for drinks.

If there are any weaknesses with the book, I would say that Jack doesn't sufficiently emphasize the importance of work for men. He talks about competence (mastery) but often in the context of reputation and the honor group. But men get satisfaction from creating value, not just doing manly activities.

I will be thinking about the ideas of this book and what relevance they can have for how I live my life.

Overall, a good (and useful) read.

Post: #113

Quote:The final chapter covers how to start/build/find your own tribe. As Beyond Borders noted above, there's not a lot of guidance here about that. Jack does mention:

1. The importance of face time and geography: live/move within few blocks of your male friends / support network. Less important: internet friends.

2. Do stuff together. 'Tactically oriented outings', 'take a workshop', 'learn a skill'. Not just going out to eat / for drinks.

I loved 'The Way Of Men'. I read it years ago and found it shocking in its clarity and honesty. Jack Donovan's works, along with a few other books and sites (this one especially!) have been a life-line for someone like me, living and working among the bluest of the blue-pilled.

I've noticed that 'the lack of guidance' about forming your own tribe is a common criticism, and one I totally understand. When I bought 'Becoming a Barbarian' I was hoping for a template or some tips from JD on how to do this, but I guess its something we have to instigate ourselves.

Joining a Martial Arts club sounds like a good option. I've took it to heart and have been doing MA (Judo) for years now but in all honesty, I've found a lot of Judoka and boxers I've met to be surprisingly blue-pilled and leftist (with each club having an ever-increasing obsession with recruiting women).

I think the answer lies elsewhere. I like the idea of forming a gang 'locally'. Proximity is everything when SHTF. When I look around my neighborhood however, I'm still none the wiser at how to follow JD's example! But its something that keeps being pushed ever upwards on my To-Do List with each passing year.

Post: #114

Unfortunately, I bought this book and am very disappointed.

First, I'll concede that I guess you can call it a masculine book. Don't let the author's homosexuality stop you from buying this.

However, for me the book was too narrow and didn't reveal anything I didn't know that I cared about.

The author probably is military or ex-military. He sees the world through that lens, and lens of violence or implied violence.

While that vantage point is useful to an extent, he doesn't really develop it much.

In contrast, an author like Robert Greene, author or 48 laws of power, will take a principle and explain it and show lots of examples.

There just wasn't enough to this book to me.

It reminds me of a phenomen I encounter among preppers. A lot of people wno take the red pill realize that the lies we have been brainwashed with apply not just to sexuality but to government, history, economics, etc. So I meet a lot of preppers.

If you talk to preppers, you'll discover there are a lot of different kinds. People who like guns are certain that when society collapses there will be an armed insurgency, and they therefore are stockpiling an armory. People who like gardening instead are investing in heirloom seads, farmland, etc. Somehow, there is a huge coincidence where the expected future matches each prepper's hobby.

I think something like that is going on with this book. Donovan is very militaristic and sees everyting in those terms. That's fine but he didn't really offer much to me with his viewpoint about how to live your life or improve your life or even to understand the world.

Post: #115

Lol, Jack Donovan is on the website artofmanliness.community forum and so am I just for the sake of curiosity. I am not sure if is really him or not.