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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/941...erity.html

I can't afford to have sex at the moment," says Lysette Peters, a 43-year-old part-time barrister, who recently broke up with her 54-year-old banker boyfriend. "He wanted a lifestyle I couldn't keep up with financially, given the recession."

Another woman I know, who at 39 still has curves that would have a bishop kicking through a stained-glass window, has been celibate for six months, because, as she told me bluntly: "Right now, it's too expensive to run a lover. It's not just the cost of maintaining your appearance, but men these days seem to expect you to pay half of everything.''

There was a time when shiny women south of 30 with independent means possessed the holy grail of a thousand magazine articles – a Prada handbag, an address in an agreeable part of the metropolis (forsaken for Italy in August and Les Arcs in January) and a lover who ornamented their lives, despite the concomitant outlay on lingerie and beauty salons. Now, however, austerity and unemployment are compelling an increasing number of middle-class women to choose between their lifestyles and the ars amatoria, and many are opting for what would once have been unthinkable: no sex and the city.

According to a recent study by the Cumbria Social Institute, the number of single women between the ages of 35 and 50 has increased by seven per cent in the past two years. And it would appear that a steady boyfriend, has, to many, become a luxury they can't afford.

Dr Angela Hutton, who compiled the report, says: "One of the factors is undoubtedly financial. Women are having to prioritise, and the mortgage and the car – as well as taking care of dependants – are taking precedence over men, who are increasingly falling into the luxury category."

It is a truth universally acknowledged that women heavily outnumber men in the dating arena; and the male sex is taking financial advantage of the fact.

As the cost of living escalates, so it seems, has the cost of loving, at least for the more mature woman. While older men remain willing to prise open their chequebooks for a 25-year-old whose alabaster complexion would grace the yacht of any concupiscent billionaire, an increasing number are ignoring the traditional etiquette of courting when it comes to women over the age of 35.

Gallantry is in retreat, buckling under the forces of recession, spurious excuses of equality – and the assumption that such women are in no position to protest, if they want to find themselves in an agreeable position in the boudoir. Michael Glass, a 50-year-old Scottish hedge funder, confirms that Cupid's arsenal of arrows has been subject to age-sensitive cuts.

"While I would happily spend money on a real babe, over whom other men are competing, I don't feel the need to do the same with an older woman who is probably desperate," he says. "Many of my friends feel the same. They'll ask such a woman to pay her share.''

A recently married male friend who, at 49, has a small production company, made it clear while dating potential partners that women who were unable or unprepared to spend need not apply. ''Part of my wife's attraction was her executive salary and her willingness to foot the bill," he says. "I earn, but in a recession I wasn't prepared to throw my money about as I had on previous girlfriends."

It seems that the economic downturn has left chivalry in tattered clothing. Dr Alfred Kinsey, the fabled American sex researcher, concluded in the first study of human sexual behaviour in 1948 that there was a correlation between inflation and sexual activity. High prices and low earnings, he concluded, led to "an increase in celibacy''.

Contemporary females, woefully, are finding this to be the case. "The last two men I went out with would have bankrupted me," says Eliza Budsworth, a 42-year-old television researcher. "The first was a 50-year-old barrister who had extremely expensive tastes and in the end I couldn't pay half the bill in all the five-star hotels we always stayed at.'' She calculated that the cost of sustaining a relationship with him for a year would have been around £17,000.

Her second beau, a 46-year-old author, implied that she was lucky to have him, and: "He wasn't going to spend money on me.''

The sexual see-saw has upended and a transference of power has occurred. While younger men, with the insecurities of youth, may still feel the need to wine and dine women in the traditional manner, the confident older man, providing he has the normal complement of limbs, feels himself to be an Alcibiades reborn, to whom women should pay financial as well as sexual homage. "It was increasingly impressed upon me," says Lysette Peters, "that my bank balance was the strongest hold I had over men."

In essence, many-splendoured romance has been replaced by something cold and glittering that is more akin to a business merger. And if you are a woman who can't afford to splurge, any sort of merger is becoming increasingly unlikely. Dorothy Parker once wrote:

Why is it no one ever sent me yet

One perfect limousine, do

you suppose?

Ah no, it's always just my

luck to get

One perfect rose

Today, many women would be lucky to receive even the rose without an invoice for half its cost tied to the stem.

Jane Morrow, a London psychiatrist, told me that many of her older female patients suffer from depression because "they feel that not only are men taking advantage financially, but in this competitive environment, with younger women a continuous threat, they worry they can't afford to maintain that groomed and perfect look that is their one advantage.

"Three months ago one of my patients lost her job. Her chief concern seemed to be that her fiancée would drop her because she could no longer afford designer clothes and weekly trips to the beauty salon and hairdresser."

Today, A-list men expect their female peers not only to pay as they date, but to look as pristine as a Clichy crystal. This involves a considerable outlay, rising as we grow older. Jennifer Ames, an accountant who was made redundant last November, was forced to give up her gym membership, her visits to Knightsbridge boutiques and her weekly pedicures and facials. "I'm only 39 and I've always taken care of myself, but then my boyfriend started to complain I was looking drab, and one week, when I couldn't afford to have my legs waxed, he just went off me.''

She later found out that he had acquired a new girlfriend, aged 25. The sexual value of youth remains a recession-proof commodity. "To tell you the truth,'' conceded a male friend of mine, "I'd be prepared to invest a lot of money on a woman under 30. There's more mileage there and you feel good having her on your arm. Why would I spend money to have a 40-year-old middle-ranking executive on my arm instead? And if she is on my arm, she'd better pull her weight financially.''

Even though the average female salary in the UK is a third less than the average male salary, women are told that going Dutch is the logical outcome of feminism. One woman I know who protested when her date, who had done all the romantic running, asked her to pay her half of the bill at an expensive London restaurant, received the response: "Do you want to go back in time and be some submissive little housewife?" Another was told, under similar circumstances, that her attitude "lacked modernity".

The celluloid sex symbol Lana Turner was once asked, apropos her financially draining hubby Bob Topping, ''is the screwing you're getting worth the screwing you're getting?" Marie Harvard, a relationships counsellor, says: "These days, money as much as infidelity is causing discord between couples. Men are making financial demands on women that they weren't 10 years ago. This is partly due to the economy, but friction arises when women can't meet these demands or don't want to.''

For an increasing number of women, the answer is no. Eliza Budsworth says: "I had the chance of a romantic weekend in Venice last month but the man who asked me wanted half the hotel bill up front, and so that was that. In any case, that sort of attitude doesn't really sweep you off your feet. I know I'm not this year's top model, but if men who aren't exactly George Clooney are only willing to be generous with 23-year-old sexpots, they're also the long-term losers.''

Yet nubile females are always unsafe bets for men with the passions of Romeo in the bodies of Sir Toby Belch. This is where the modern male is making his fatal mistake. Once, wining and dining grown-up members of my sex were willing to overlook men's imperfections in search of a committed relationship. This gave men a certain sexual power, even if it came tinged with gratitude. No longer.

In a development that is ominous for both sexes, more and more women are shunning men who require them to look like Sarah Jessica Parker and meekly pony up half the bill. Sally Hughes, an attractive 41-year-old doctor, faced a choice this summer. "I could either go to France and chill with old friends, or spend money I haven't got and go to Italy with a man who expects me to be super-groomed and financially independent. The first cost £800. The latter around £3,000.'' She decided on old friends and celibacy.

For many women in her position, this choice is looking increasingly attractive. The cost of loving has become too high.

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While I would happily spend money on a real babe, over whom other men are competing, I don't feel the need to do the same with an older woman who is probably desperate," he says. "Many of my friends feel the same. They'll ask such a woman to pay her share.''



This article is so rich with confirmation of manosphere/game concepts it would take pages to unpack it all.

These harpies have been demanding equality for decades and now they are getting it-good and hard.

Enjoy ladies

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Quote:It's not just the cost of maintaining your appearance, but men these days seem to expect you to pay half of everything.

Post: #4

I give new chicks a cold stare when the bill comes. No free drinks/meals on me honey. The ones who get to stick around know better.

Post: #5

Interesting. Are Anglo-European men finally growing a pair of balls large enough to stand up to their own women (who they've allowed to run all over them for so long)?

While I won't hold my breath, time will tell. One step at a time, as they say.

Post: #6

Quote:One woman I know who protested when her date, who had done all the romantic running, asked her to pay her half of the bill at an expensive London restaurant, received the response: "Do you want to go back in time and be some submissive little housewife?"

So much win. This article summarizes the clusterfuck that is Dating 2.0. These women hedged their bets and they lost. They spent their years of peak value proving that they can be one of the boys and now they don't like it that they are treated like one. When I go out with the guys I don't pick up the tab, nor do I expect them to. Sure, we may do a favor here and there when one of us is low on cash, but we do it because there is a history of reciprocation, and we don't do it for just anybody. Sorry, your pussy doesn't count as recompense. High level escorts are cheaper than these women's expectations.

Post: #7

This is why women falling for the excesses of feminism is a fatal mistake.

Their essential value to a man is a young, relatively fresh vagina, womb, and pleasing disposition.

When those things are gone ... what is your value ???? Well you get judged the way people judge men......how much money do you have ??? The fought for equality and now they have it.

Tuff titties.

Post: #8

scanned the comments, didnt catch a glimpse of a white knight

Post: #9

Fantastic article. The great thing is, if the women who embraced feminism hook, line and sinker fail to procreate, the next generation of men might have it a bit easier.

Good.

Post: #10

Hey ladies, how's that feminism working out for you? I'm loving this shit. Excellent post.

Post: #11

(08-13-2012 05:44 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  It is a truth universally acknowledged that women heavily outnumber men in the dating arena; and the male sex is taking financial advantage of the fact.

This is the biggest crock of shit. In the UK the sex ratio is 1.03:1 for those aged 15-64. That means there are 103 males for every 100 females. It's difficult to find the breakdown on smaller age groups of people aged 18-25, 26-37, 38-50, etc, because you'd clearly see that the UK is like the US where men outnumber women in all age groups from birth to 50 years. It the statistics were easier to find, people would see the supposed surplus of women for what it is: a myth.

This woman is described as a part time barrister (which sounds kind of like a cross between a para-legal and an attorney.) I presume she's childless. As for her complaint about not being able to afford his tastes, most single, childless, professional women work full-time. What's so special about her that makes her think she doesn't have to put in a full work week? I see someone with an extreme sense of entitlement who's pissed off because a man she thinks she's entitled to is not willing to play by her rules.

The fact is, just looking at the demographic data, this woman has plenty of options. And I would bet that those options present themselves to her on a regular basis. Her sense of entitlement is proof of that.

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Yet nubile females are always unsafe bets for men with the passions of Romeo in the bodies of Sir Toby Belch. This is where the modern male is making his fatal mistake. Once, wining and dining grown-up members of my sex were willing to overlook men's imperfections in search of a committed relationship. This gave men a certain sexual power, even if it came tinged with gratitude. No longer.

I thought that old lie died many years ago. Turns out it did (hence the change in the times), but it's been instead resurrected as some kind of bullshit ideal.

Post: #13

The end is near...

(08-13-2012 05:44 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  Dr Angela Hutton, who compiled the report, says: "One of the factors is undoubtedly financial. Women are having to prioritise, and the mortgage and the car – as well as taking care of dependants – are taking precedence over men, who are increasingly falling into the luxury category."

Yes Feminists, it's not fun doing what men have been doing forever...while you were 'imprisoned' in the house with the kids, men were working, not out dicking around and having fun.

File this under 'Well no fucking shit...'

Quote:She later found out that he had acquired a new girlfriend, aged 25. The sexual value of youth remains a recession-proof commodity. "To tell you the truth,'' conceded a male friend of mine, "I'd be prepared to invest a lot of money on a woman under 30. There's more mileage there and you feel good having her on your arm. Why would I spend money to have a 40-year-old middle-ranking executive on my arm instead? And if she is on my arm, she'd better pull her weight financially.''

Can we get this guy to register?

Quote:In a development that is ominous for both sexes, more and more women are shunning men who require them to look like Sarah Jessica Parker and meekly pony up half the bill. Sally Hughes, an attractive 41-year-old doctor, faced a choice this summer. "I could either go to France and chill with old friends, or spend money I haven't got and go to Italy with a man who expects me to be super-groomed and financially independent. The first cost £800. The latter around £3,000.'' She decided on old friends and celibacy.

Several sites I have turned up reveal that the average salary for a doctor in the UK was around 54,000 pounds (median was about 47)...If women actually had morals I'd say choosing to not take a trip to Italy with a man you had enough interest in to actually consider the idea of vacationing with would constitute a 'moral' victory. Where did all the money go, Dr. Hughes?

Also, Sarah Jessica Parker is gross.

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(08-13-2012 05:44 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  "Do you want to go back in time and be some submissive little housewife?"

Awesome line.

Post: #15

Middle aged women could improve their BJ skills.They could find gigolos or come to southern Europe to get as much dick as they wish for free.

Post: #16

Epic hamster action here: ""I had the chance of a romantic weekend in Venice last month but the man who asked me wanted half the hotel bill up front, and so that was that. In any case, that sort of attitude doesn't really sweep you off your feet. I know I'm not this year's top model, but if men who aren't exactly George Clooney are only willing to be generous with 23-year-old sexpots, they're also the long-term losers.''"

Rationalizing away! So how exactly are men the "long time losers" dating fertile, unspoiled young things while the careerist harridans wither away embittered and surrounded by cats?

Post: #17

The biggest thing wrong with feminism is that women want financial equality but still don't want to pay for shit. It's nice to know that men are standing up against entitlement bitches.

Post: #18

MILFs can also choose to come for booty calls at guys' houses.In this case their expenses would be limited.

Post: #19

(08-14-2012 07:54 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  MILFs can also choose to come for booty calls at guys' houses.In this case their expenses would be limited.

What is unspoken in this article is that all these costs have to do with securing long-term commitment from these guys. If these women are moderately good looking they can probably be getting new dick all day long.

I corresponded with a 40 year old woman in this demographic (affluent, well groomed, educated) in London last year. She was on OKC looking for casual sex. She talked a big game about not wanting clingy men, not being in the market for commitment, etc. She was down to meet up but I got back with an old gf and skipped it. Six months later I check her profile and she was now ONLY looking for a committed, long-term relationship. The whole profile came across as kind of desperate as if she'd realized how difficult commitment was to come by, while getting pumped and dumped is easy.

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I guess feminism didn't get the memo that the relative higher wealth a man has typical had is of benefit of them.

Female privilege.

After 30, a man has infinitely more to offer than a woman of the same age. It's his state of being stupefied by his libido in his early 20's that offers her any traction.

It is also has been period that a man has typically invested in her. If she makes herself unavailable to be invested in as she 'finds herself', or worse, makes a man cynical because of his investment experience, she is valueless when the tables turn.

I mean really, the stage is now that even if you decide to get married in your mid 30's, any woman should have to now offer men a premium/dowry/bribe to marry due to the associated risks.

Post: #21

(08-14-2012 08:18 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 07:54 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  MILFs can also choose to come for booty calls at guys' houses.In this case their expenses would be limited.

What is unspoken in this article is that all these costs have to do with securing long-term commitment from these guys. If these women are moderately good looking they can probably be getting new dick all day long.

I corresponded with a 40 year old woman in this demographic (affluent, well groomed, educated) in London last year. She was on OKC looking for casual sex. She talked a big game about not wanting clingy men, not being in the market for commitment, etc. She was down to meet up but I got back with an old gf and skipped it. Six months later I check her profile and she was now ONLY looking for a committed, long-term relationship. The whole profile came across as kind of desperate as if she'd realized how difficult commitment was to come by, while getting pumped and dumped is easy.

she just realized that at 40?

Post: #22

(08-14-2012 08:39 AM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 08:18 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 07:54 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  MILFs can also choose to come for booty calls at guys' houses.In this case their expenses would be limited.

What is unspoken in this article is that all these costs have to do with securing long-term commitment from these guys. If these women are moderately good looking they can probably be getting new dick all day long.

I corresponded with a 40 year old woman in this demographic (affluent, well groomed, educated) in London last year. She was on OKC looking for casual sex. She talked a big game about not wanting clingy men, not being in the market for commitment, etc. She was down to meet up but I got back with an old gf and skipped it. Six months later I check her profile and she was now ONLY looking for a committed, long-term relationship. The whole profile came across as kind of desperate as if she'd realized how difficult commitment was to come by, while getting pumped and dumped is easy.

she just realized that at 40?

She had a bunch of kids so I'm guessing she'd been in a relationship for a long time.

Post: #23

(08-13-2012 05:44 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  ...In a development that is ominous for both sexes, more and more women are shunning men who require them to look like Sarah Jessica Parker and meekly pony up half the bill...

Yikes. If I was a Hedge Fund type they are talking about here I'd expect a lot better than Sarah Jessica Parker. Not to be needlessly mean, but she is quite ugly for a TV/movie personality.

Otherwise, excellent article. Why would a 40/50 year old women think she can get a financial alpha type they are describing here at all, let alone by playing the same rule book a 22 year old woman would play? They're certifiably delusional.

Post: #24

(08-14-2012 08:54 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

(08-13-2012 05:44 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  ...In a development that is ominous for both sexes, more and more women are shunning men who require them to look like Sarah Jessica Parker and meekly pony up half the bill...

Yikes. If I was a Hedge Fund type they are talking about here I'd expect a lot better than Sarah Jessica Parker. Not to be needlessly mean, but she is quite ugly for a TV/movie personality.

Otherwise, excellent article. Why would a 40/50 year old women think she can get a financial alpha type they are describing here at all, let alone by playing the same rule book a 22 year old woman would play? They're certifiably delusional.

I dread to think what these women must look like if they consider SJP an unattainable beauty ideal.

Post: #25

(08-14-2012 05:22 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Middle aged women could improve their BJ skills.They could find gigolos or come to southern Europe to get as much dick as they wish for free.

Many do exactly that. They go to Kenya and Senegal to get dick.

As well as DR and Cuba and Brazil and parts of SE Asia