Post: #1

Last night, I'm crossing a parking lot. I see 3 babes on the other side. I shout out, "hey, wait i want to meet the one in the middle in pink."

They wait I go over spin the one in the middle and tell her "you're adorable." She says, "I get that a lot." I reply, "Well then, I dont wanna be like every other guy. You're ugly then." This didn't really come off too well and I just plowed on so it didn't make too much of a difference.

(The girls left after a couple minutes. I saw em later on and danced a little bit with em.)

I wanted to try the compliment method rather than the neg method. Obviously in this situation a neg would have worked better but it is what it is. Do you guys have any good responses to the "I get that a lot" prima donna response to a compliment?

Perhaps, "wow you sure take compliments well." I imagine a sort of neg response would be best?

Post: #2

I dunno, a snappy comeback isn't really going to alter the bad position you set yourself with by complementing her. I'd say it was the approach after the call out that needed more edge.

Post: #3

Or
"And you believe everything they tell you?"

Post: #4

(07-26-2012 12:40 PM)Vicious Wrote:  I dunno, a snappy comeback isn't really going to alter the bad position you set yourself with by complementing her. I'd say it was the approach after the call out that needed more edge.

So what would you recommend after a parking lot callout?

Post: #5

she just said one random thing (doesn't matter if true or not) there was no need for witty comebacks after her response. why do you even need a comeback to thing like that in the first place?

when you get responses like that one, just notice she's trying to be ms popular princess, acknowledge it with little subtle smirk and carry on the convo like it never happenend. NEVER GET AFFECTED. remember that every girl WILL be sceptic towoard you so be ready for some bullshit from her.

from my experience, following her lead by responding to her shit with witty stuff again and again is very hit or miss thing and overall weak cause she's the one who lead you around. instead, it's so much better to dictate the rhythm of the conversation, aka cutting off her threads, asking questions out of nowhere, not responding to her questions, distracting her, making statements, leading the convo in the direction you want it to go, making in unpredictable, not letting her tool you, etc.

example:
you: you're adorable
her: i get that a lot
you: [smile] i guess she's the sassy one here, is she the boss here? am i dealing with tha boss [sarcastic tone] ??
them: yeah blablablabla
her: yeah in fact i am and who are you?
you: i'm [name], do you have a name? or fuck it, you know, i'll give you better name, hmm..
her: blablabla
you: aha ok, sh! be quiet let's ask friends.. what do you girls really hate about her?
them: blablablabla, nothing we love her, blablablabla,
you: liers! work with me here people, your girl is about to meet a real fucking guy for once [be serious her, it's not a joke]..

see? you engaged her and them emotionally, lead the convo how you wanted and didn't buy her shit even once. so it's more about overall conversational skills rather than spitting single witty lines in hope they will work.

Post: #6

Holy shit, that's awesome XXL.

Post: #7

The OP indicates why using a compliment during the approach is disfavored method- it pedestalizes the girl by giving her a value she knows she has not earned from you- which lowers your value.

Since the OP put himself in an inferior position, the girl reacted by smacking him down further in order to indicate her lack of interest.

I use sometimes use "I get that a lot" when girls compliment me. It demonstrates that I am used to female attention and flattery, which is something girls find attractive. It also has a neggish quality. But when a girl uses it I don't think she is flirting, it's more like a dismissal of you.

At this point you've probably blown the approach and a comeback is not going to help much. It's better to just avoid complimenting on the approach at all

Post: #8

Post: #9

How do you improve conversational skills? Wit and coming up with "comebacks" on the go, etc etc..

Is it just practice? Intelligence? Emotional Quotient?

(07-26-2012 02:02 PM)XXL Wrote:  she just said one random thing (doesn't matter if true or not) there was no need for witty comebacks after her response. why do you even need a comeback to thing like that in the first place?

when you get responses like that one, just notice she's trying to be ms popular princess, acknowledge it with little subtle smirk and carry on the convo like it never happenend. NEVER GET AFFECTED. remember that every girl WILL be sceptic towoard you so be ready for some bullshit from her.

from my experience, following her lead by responding to her shit with witty stuff again and again is very hit or miss thing and overall weak cause she's the one who lead you around. instead, it's so much better to dictate the rhythm of the conversation, aka cutting off her threads, asking questions out of nowhere, not responding to her questions, distracting her, making statements, leading the convo in the direction you want it to go, making in unpredictable, not letting her tool you, etc.

example:
you: you're adorable
her: i get that a lot
you: [smile] i guess she's the sassy one here, is she the boss here? am i dealing with tha boss [sarcastic tone] ??
them: yeah blablablabla
her: yeah in fact i am and who are you?
you: i'm [name], do you have a name? or fuck it, you know, i'll give you better name, hmm..
her: blablabla
you: aha ok, sh! be quiet let's ask friends.. what do you girls really hate about her?
them: blablablabla, nothing we love her, blablablabla,
you: liers! work with me here people, your girl is about to meet a real fucking guy for once [be serious her, it's not a joke]..

see? you engaged her and them emotionally, lead the convo how you wanted and didn't buy her shit even once. so it's more about overall conversational skills rather than spitting single witty lines in hope they will work.

Post: #10

"I get that a lot."

I'd probably let out a short, confident laugh...

"Hahaha I'm sure."

You double backed because of her response. Bad move.

Stop thinking in PUA terms.

Post: #11

(07-26-2012 05:34 PM)cozos Wrote:  How do you improve conversational skills? Wit and coming up with "comebacks" on the go, etc etc..

Is it just practice? Intelligence? Emotional Quotient?

you learn to talk by talking. wit and smart ass comebacks should be the last thing on your mind. so yes, practice. WE TALKIN' ABOUT PRACTICE??!! ; )))))

1. how to talk
practice talking to people everyday. random people you bump into as you go about your day. also friends, their friends, familly, etc. nothing sophisticated, just small talk. ask questions, throw little comments. like..
- nice watch i was looking for something like that
- hello definitely the best haircut i've seen today
- i like your smile, stop doing it
- did you watch the game?
etc. little innocent things that can engage people in 30 seconds - 2 minute convo.


2. how to talk endlessly
lower your standards. in short, you can just talk shit. all of the stress comes from the need to impress. forget it. what you say is not impressive. remember that the goal of talking to a girl is to have a good time and vibe, not to exchange high end information.

notice how when when you talk to a fattie you don't run out things to say. you just talk shit cause you don't care. but when you got that "9" next to you, you want to bring your big guns and come up with all of these amazing things. that's why guys always bitch about that "it's so much different with 9s" and it's not different at all, it's just they got this little superficial value meter in their head, they can't remove it, they get super stifled, they put on a fake show, so they can't just talk normaly and let that shit flow.


3. how to talk endlessly and lead the convo
to do this you need to basically learn to talk to the wall for 10 straight minutes. it sounds stupid and looks even more stupid but by doing that you will not run out of things to say EVER. the principle here is to be able to talk without getting any kind of feedback (walls don't speak).

what for?

because as you talk to stranger person, in order to have a good convo you both need some context. so basically the first 1-2 minutes of approach is just you talking and giving her threads to grab. cause she needs something, just anything to contribute and invest in the convo. so it's like you go in, you talk talk talk (like to the wall) and at one point she's like 'oh really you like xyz? i love that" and that's when it hooks and convo becomes 50/50. so it's really important to be able to just talk and talk to give her a chance to join in. cause when you just recite scripted short lines/openers and you leave when they don't hook, you you will never learn conversational skills.

crucial thing is thinking on your feet and dealing with things in real time. you say something and she freakes out? it's not over, handle it, calm her down, endure that cold shoulder and move forward. pickup is never this smooth thing like when you say one line after another smooth sailing like that. it's messy with a lot of shit to deal with along the way.


4. how to talk endlessly and lead the convo and make it super exciting
use positive and negative expressions. when i talk, i talk complete shit at least at first:
hello, oh hi how are you beautiful girl? oh no we're complete strangers we can't talk to each other.. yeah i just came back from the mountains i met a lot of squirrels there.. they're very aloof.. oh you move like love to dance, but can you really?.. seems ok, you can teach me moves, but no no maybe not now, maybe later when you'll be more warmed up, it'll be more romantic.. yes i'm shy i like to cuddle and make romantic poetic love.. that's why i've been hurt so much and feel emotionally damaged right now.. i'm so stupid that i'm talking to you.. blablabla"

influence her emotions is the goal of convo..
so i just talk shit about whatever that pops up in my head that will add up to the vibe and arouse her emotionally and not to overdo it with only good or only bad emotions cause that's when it loses its charm. that's the key. nice guys overdo it with nice things, assholes overdo it with bad things, they all get predictable and boring with time and become irrelevant competition sooner or later. the goal is to be unpredictable and have wide range of emotions at you disposal so that girls knows that they will get aroused more if they stay with you. next thing you know is they stick with you like glue, comply with you and that's how you get afterparties, dates, snl.

how to stimulate..
if you want to be technical about it, view conversation as contant positive and negative stimulus where as you speaking you constantly spike her emotions, like pinching her, things you say and your delivery stimulate her cause one person's reaction is other person's stimulus. so to break it down:
- oh hi how are you beautiful girl? [compliment - positive pinch, she's surprised and confused so also negative pinch]
- oh we're complete strangers we can't talk to each other [push - negative pinch]
- yeah i just came back from the mountains i met a lot of squirrels there [absurd, funny - positive pinch]
- oh you move like love to dance [compliment - positive pinch]
- but can you really? [challenge - negative pinch]
- it'll be more romantic [sweet statement - positive pinch]
etc...

so it becomes like a sine wave. the specific content plays minor role, no need to dumb down or adapt to her with the things to say. the important things is the positive/negative influence of your convo overall. there's no difference between "we're complete strangers we can't talk to each other" and "but can you dance really?". none of these lines is better or worse. but both arouse her (negatively) so both are good.

in case of emergency..
in doubt, it you happen to run out of things to say or convo gets stale/boring/flat for some reason, talk about what you love and what you hate in general. it fits perfectly that positive/negative stimulus goal cause girls will react emotionally to your opinions and you're back on the right path. so you can say absolutely anything from "i love hip hop" to "i hate your shirt" etc.

Post: #12

'I get that a lot'

'From your 5 year old niece?'

Post: #13

"I get that a lot"

"Cool/good for you"

Basically, whenever she tries to neg you and you don't know what to say, that's a good response.

Post: #14

(07-27-2012 03:51 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 05:34 PM)cozos Wrote:  How do you improve conversational skills? Wit and coming up with "comebacks" on the go, etc etc..

Is it just practice? Intelligence? Emotional Quotient?

you learn to talk by talking. wit and smart ass comebacks should be the last thing on your mind. so yes, practice. WE TALKIN' ABOUT PRACTICE??!! ; )))))

1. how to talk
practice talking to people everyday. random people you bump into as you go about your day. also friends, their friends, familly, etc. nothing sophisticated, just small talk. ask questions, throw little comments. like..
- nice watch i was looking for something like that
- hello definitely the best haircut i've seen today
- i like your smile, stop doing it
- did you watch the game?
etc. little innocent things that can engage people in 30 seconds - 2 minute convo.


2. how to talk endlessly
lower your standards. in short, you can just talk shit. all of the stress comes from the need to impress. forget it. what you say is not impressive. remember that the goal of talking to a girl is to have a good time and vibe, not to exchange high end information.

notice how when when you talk to a fattie you don't run out things to say. you just talk shit cause you don't care. but when you got that "9" next to you, you want to bring your big guns and come up with all of these amazing things. that's why guys always bitch about that "it's so much different with 9s" and it's not different at all, it's just they got this little superficial value meter in their head, they can't remove it, they get super stifled, they put on a fake show, so they can't just talk normaly and let that shit flow.


3. how to talk endlessly and lead the convo
to do this you need to basically learn to talk to the wall for 10 straight minutes. it sounds stupid and looks even more stupid but by doing that you will not run out of things to say EVER. the principle here is to be able to talk without getting any kind of feedback (walls don't speak).

what for?

because as you talk to stranger person, in order to have a good convo you both need some context. so basically the first 1-2 minutes of approach is just you talking and giving her threads to grab. cause she needs something, just anything to contribute and invest in the convo. so it's like you go in, you talk talk talk (like to the wall) and at one point she's like 'oh really you like xyz? i love that" and that's when it hooks and convo becomes 50/50. so it's really important to be able to just talk and talk to give her a chance to join in. cause when you just recite scripted short lines/openers and you leave when they don't hook, you you will never learn conversational skills.

crucial thing is thinking on your feet and dealing with things in real time. you say something and she freakes out? it's not over, handle it, calm her down, endure that cold shoulder and move forward. pickup is never this smooth thing like when you say one line after another smooth sailing like that. it's messy with a lot of shit to deal with along the way.


4. how to talk endlessly and lead the convo and make it super exciting
use positive and negative expressions. when i talk, i talk complete shit at least at first:
hello, oh hi how are you beautiful girl? oh no we're complete strangers we can't talk to each other.. yeah i just came back from the mountains i met a lot of squirrels there.. they're very aloof.. oh you move like love to dance, but can you really?.. seems ok, you can teach me moves, but no no maybe not now, maybe later when you'll be more warmed up, it'll be more romantic.. yes i'm shy i like to cuddle and make romantic poetic love.. that's why i've been hurt so much and feel emotionally damaged right now.. i'm so stupid that i'm talking to you.. blablabla"

influence her emotions is the goal of convo..
so i just talk shit about whatever that pops up in my head that will add up to the vibe and arouse her emotionally and not to overdo it with only good or only bad emotions cause that's when it loses its charm. that's the key. nice guys overdo it with nice things, assholes overdo it with bad things, they all get predictable and boring with time and become irrelevant competition sooner or later. the goal is to be unpredictable and have wide range of emotions at you disposal so that girls knows that they will get aroused more if they stay with you. next thing you know is they stick with you like glue, comply with you and that's how you get afterparties, dates, snl.

how to stimulate..
if you want to be technical about it, view conversation as contant positive and negative stimulus where as you speaking you constantly spike her emotions, like pinching her, things you say and your delivery stimulate her cause one person's reaction is other person's stimulus. so to break it down:
- oh hi how are you beautiful girl? [compliment - positive pinch, she's surprised and confused so also negative pinch]
- oh we're complete strangers we can't talk to each other [push - negative pinch]
- yeah i just came back from the mountains i met a lot of squirrels there [absurd, funny - positive pinch]
- oh you move like love to dance [compliment - positive pinch]
- but can you really? [challenge - negative pinch]
- it'll be more romantic [sweet statement - positive pinch]
etc...

so it becomes like a sine wave. the specific content plays minor role, no need to dumb down or adapt to her with the things to say. the important things is the positive/negative influence of your convo overall. there's no difference between "we're complete strangers we can't talk to each other" and "but can you dance really?". none of these lines is better or worse. but both arouse her (negatively) so both are good.

in case of emergency..
in doubt, it you happen to run out of things to say or convo gets stale/boring/flat for some reason, talk about what you love and what you hate in general. it fits perfectly that positive/negative stimulus goal cause girls will react emotionally to your opinions and you're back on the right path. so you can say absolutely anything from "i love hip hop" to "i hate your shirt" etc.

Great post. It has really helped me to stop thinking on a line-by-line basis and thinking about what I can do with the whole conversation. It also took the pressure off me ("I have to close this girl, I have to spit great game etc.") and it helped me to realise that it's really ok not to have super witty responses to everything she says.

Tyler from RSD has a great moment in one of his free tour videos (can't remember which one in particular) where he says the same thing you just said in 2.) about people putting undue pressure on themselves to bring out the 'big guns' for the really hot girls. It stems from not feeling like you're enough I guess. I hate to sound like a girl here but "being yourself" around hot girls gives you more mileage than you think - in my opinion anyway

Post: #15

there are a lot counterproductive methods in the game:

- I have to close this girl - omg this mindset is like 'how to not sleep with this girl' 101

- I have to spit great game - good recipe for repulsing hot girls. all they care about is you being normal guy with balls who they can talk to and chill with, that's the whole magic method. if you want to dig deeper then i tell you that guys actually reject themselves with hotties (even before the girls have a chance to do) by approaching and putting on a fake show comes across very artificial. it's all mind games, you think she's too hot, you feel not good enough and your floods you with stuff to make her like you whereas if you thought you're good enough you would just chat the girl normally and that's when yu have the best chance to get her. making her like you by not giving a fuck is very paradoxical shit ahahahaha

- have super witty responses to everything she says - makes you way too much invested, concerned and caring about every little thing which never ends up well

- line-by-line basis - creates very robotic vibe, conversations and interactions are not linear and goal oriented thing (when i say this it will lead to that and then..). the goal of is to vibe with the girl and create that cascade of positive emotions overall to the point where something intimate happens naturally (using positive/negative expressions, kind of funny huh? negative expressions also add up to the good vibe cause she reacts emotionally). so when canned game preach that content is kind then natural game say context/vibe is god.

Post: #16

Should of just smiled