Post: #376

Never liked Meek Mill or his music. Overrated in my opinion. He needs a ghost writer himself.

Post: #377

I know niggas on the street that can diss Drake better than that. If that is what Meek has, I suspect funny business. Drake pay him to lose on purpose? Publicity stunt? Where is my tinfoil hat. This shit is lame.

Post: #378

I don't suspect funny business. Meek was always a terrible lyricist. This is about what I expected from him.

Post: #379

(07-31-2015 04:48 AM)JamesW95 Wrote:  Meek is getting warmed up. I have faith in him. If not he'll be another Ja Rule.

...minus the hits

Post: #380

(07-31-2015 04:51 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  The best part is when he says something like you talking 'platinum this platinum that' and he fires back with 'I got a platinum chick, platinum rollie and platinum whip'.

Funny that was a Mase diss line to Jayz from a 112 song LOVE ME... So i guess Meek used Mase verse as a reference for that line?

Quote:What we hear is platinum that, platinum this
Platinum whips, nobody got no platinum hits
Cats know with me platinum always wrap my wrist
I come to the awards, quadruple platinum chicks
Little ones like twenty five, what cats get smacked with
Big ones like fourty five, what cats get clap with
I react sick whenever my dough ain't accurate
Harlem World, Jr. Mafia, yeah and that's it, come on

Post: #381

Dude had just posted some solid first week sales. Why would you even do this to your career? Makes no sense to me. If you're getting money and he's getting money....just leave it alone. This whole ordeal must be about a bitch.

What's even more funny, R.I.C.O and I Got The Juice are the two best songs on his album in my opinion and both have controversy surrounding them.

Post: #382

(07-31-2015 04:37 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  He was?

Meek said that Drake had a ghostwriter.

QM is listed on the writing credits for every track. They never tried to hide it.

Surely a 'ghostwriter' is somebody out of sight out of mind that nobody would have known about.

I keep seeing this explanation parroted by people who are either illiterate, intellectually dishonest, or just straight up Drake stans.

If there's a direct quote out there from Meek that says "Drake has a ghostwriter", please share it.

This is the main quote I remember -- even when he mentioned Quentin Miller, he never called him a ghostwriter, if you search Meek's tweets, the word "ghostwriter" is never mentioned.



Saying that "he doesn't write his own raps" has been proven to be factually correct.

One of my favorite R&B producers, the Underdogs, they used to have videos on their site with everyone in the studio, Tank, Luke & Q, Steven Russell, Antonio Dixon, etc. on their Macbooks, writing to the track while it played in the background.

That is collaborating.

Collaborating is not having a dude in another city, in another studio far from you, and providing him with personal details of your life so he can come up with concepts for your songs.

Peep the reference tracks, Q Miller came up with the "Safe house in Calabasas" line in 10 Bands and he mentioned Drake's friend, OB O'Brien on another one of the tracks. Those are details personal to Drake, Q Miller probably doesn't even know OB like that, and he damn sure doesn't have a house out by the Kardashians.

Drake stans are noting that Drake only used some parts of the verses and all that, well, why does he need just a couple of bars from Quentin Miller?

Why does he need, "My chick asked where I'm moving, I said on to better things", I mean that's not revolutionary shit.

According to Flex, who at this point, also can't be called a liar, he's paying that dude 5 large a month, that's a lot of money for just borrowing a couple bars from him here and there.

I'm not a Meek Mill fan, but at this point, it's difficult to convince me that he said anything that was factually incorrect.

The whole idea that Drake is a dope songwriter, but he needs three to five guys as co-writers on every song who aren't even spitting verses on the track, eh, miss me with that.

Look, the rap game is tough.

These guys make a lot of songs, most of the shit we don't hear because it ends up not being good enough for one reason or another, it's hard to keep coming up with fresh content, and when you get to a certain level, everything has to be hot, so I understand collaborating with people so you get fresh ideas, styles, etc.

I just remember that first and foremost, Drake is an actor, he's paying people to provide him with scripts, and he can get into character and make his lines his own, that's what actors do, that's what they're trained to do.

The Meek diss record, in my opinion, he waited too long, especially after Back to Back came out, but again, we have diss records as it is, because the dude told the truth.

Post: #383

(07-31-2015 09:32 AM)jariel Wrote:  Peep the reference tracks, Q Miller came up with the "Safe house in Calabasas" line in 10 Bands and he mentioned Drake's friend, OB O'Brien in another one of the tracks. Those are details personal to Drake, Q Miller probably doesn't even know OB like that, and he damn sure doesn't have a house out by the Kardashians.

I peeped that too, like he's purposely there to write things from Drake's point of view. A lot of people kind of missed that. The fact that he helped on Know Yourself is kind of disappointing since that's the best track on his new album to me.

Quote:The whole idea that Drake is a dope songwriter, but he needs three to five guys as co-writers on every song who aren't even spitting verses on the track, eh, miss me with that.

Just because of what's happened now doesn't mean he isn't a great songwriter. Part of his come up was writing for other people. He even wrote Un-Thinkable for Alicia Keys if I remember correctly. His resume is solid.

Post: #384

(07-31-2015 04:37 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  He was?

Meek said that Drake had a ghostwriter.

QM is listed on the writing credits for every track. They never tried to hide it.

Surely a 'ghostwriter' is somebody out of sight out of mind that nobody would have known about.

I originally thought that as well, but that's not necessarily the case. A ghostwriter can still be listed in the credits, but it comes down to whether the public knew how that respective person collaborated on the track. This ghostwriter MTV interviewed breaks it down:

Quote:MTV: Some writers receive writing credit, some do not. It’s assumed that being a ghostwriter means that you receive no traditional writing credit. Can you break that down?

Aaron: You’re still a ghostwriter if you’re getting credit, the difference is if it’s public knowledge. When you look at album credits and track one has five or six names on it. The artist, you know his real name, that name may be first. The second name is the producer’s name, so that name is there. Let’s say there’s a Michael Jackson sample, so you might have Michael Jackson’s name there. You might have Quincy Jones’ name there, because he produced the original Michael Jackson record. So now you got so-and-so rapper, so-and-so producer, M. Jackson from the sample, Q. Jones from the sample and then there’s a fifth name and it becomes, “Who’s that fifth name?” And that’s when people start doing research and trying to figure out who’s this fifth name on this record. And that’s when you start getting to the bottom of things. You gotta really read the credits. There’s a lot of musicians on the record, you may have 10 names, it doesn’t mean 10 people wrote the rhymes.

I say all that to say, you’re still a ghost if your name is in the credits… It’s still hidden, it’s still tucked away, that person isn’t doing interviews running around saying, “I wrote this and I wrote that.”

http://www.mtv.com/news/2221917/hip-hop-...-it-works/

The circumstantial evidence against Drake, gets alot more compelling in this context, especially after hearing the reference tracks. Meek has a legit argument.

Post: #385

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Post: #386

Its called a songwriter.

Post: #387

(07-31-2015 09:41 AM)jayesco Wrote:  Just because of what's happened now doesn't mean he isn't a great songwriter. Part of his come up was writing for other people. He even wrote Un-Thinkable for Alicia Keys if I remember correctly. His resume is solid.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Maybe he did write the track, maybe he had one of his chicks, Shi Wisdom, write the track.

As I stated before, the rap game is full of people getting credit for other people's work.

Dre is credited for producing tracks he never produced, a lot of that classic Death Row shit was actually produced by Daz, but Dre's name was all over the credits.

At the end of the day, it's marketing, they want songs to be marketed as written by big name artists and big name producers, because that gets people to listen, who does the work is irrelevant, a lot of the people who do the real work, we'll never know who they are, hell, sometimes people even get credited by their real names instead of their stage names, or they make up aliases to be credited under -- some of that has to do with contractual obligations, e.g. DJ Quik mixed the entire "All Eyez on Me" album, but he was credited under his real name David Blake, and Suge gave him a Rolex for his work. Another example, Damon Thomas is a well-known R&B producer, but he used to do productions for Death Row under the alias "Big Simon", I'm pretty sure he was also "Assasin", if you peep the song "All Out", which is one of the dopest beats I've ever heard, that's him.

At the end of the day, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Tales of ghostwriting, co-writers, etc. have been around Drake since the beginning of his career, with "Best I Ever Had", which was written by a producer named Kia Shine, and originated from a Lil' Wayne track called "Do It For The Boy".

Meek Mill is the highest profile person to go on record publicly and call him out, and now his claims have been confirmed.

There's really nothing else to say on that matter.

Post: #388

(07-31-2015 04:48 AM)JamesW95 Wrote:  Meek is getting warmed up. I have faith in him. If not he'll be another Ja Rule.

He's down 20 in the 4th quarter, he shoulda warmed up a long time ago.

He did land a haymaker with the line about Drake getting peed on in the movie theater though. Somebody gotta answer up for that.

Post: #389

I dont care if Drake doesnt even write his own lines. The music is still good. It is just entertainment.

Post: #390

Drake had 3 platinum albums before he even started working with Quentin Miller.

If he helps him make better tunes, bigger tunes and they can work together to go and make even more platinum albums and even more money of course Drake is going to utilise that.

People talking about how soft everybody is and talking about how this ain't nothing like the 90's.

Sure it ain't nothing like the 90's, there's threads starting everyday discussing the state of the world we live in and how culture is. We know it's not the same.

This is still the most entertaining thing to happen in hip hop in sometime. Whether that's a sign of how 'bad' or 'weak' things have become I don't know.

But also don't forget that everybody is a poser somehow, that's how they get to this point. Don't forget that Tupac starred in the Nutcracker or something and went to theater school. Tupac was a character he had to invent a lot of that life. I think some people ache for the old days but lie to themselves by omission.

I also enjoyed how Meek used the theme tune of The Undertaker on his pathetic diss track.

I can only assume that was to signal the end of his career.

Post: #391

Jariel: That's a really long-winded way of saying you don't think Drake is as good as we think he is.

Anyways, I've yet to see a compelling argument from either side of this whole situation. Supporters of Meek make sweeping generalizations ("People have ghostwritten for Drake before; therefore, all of Drake's songs are ghostwritten!") and 90% of Drake's supporters are females, so they're incapable of providing a sound argument. The remaining 10% don't even care because "it's a new age of hip-hop," as if that's somehow a justifiable reason for hip-hop artists to enlist the help of ghostwriters.

As for Meek's diss track, I personally thought it was terrible. He pretty much self-destructed his career. I like this guy's breakdown:

Post: #392

(07-31-2015 05:42 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Never liked Meek Mill or his music. Overrated in my opinion. He needs a ghost writer himself.

Or he could had his sister write it .

Post: #393

I think this beef is dumb but I guess I can see where people find it entertaining.

However I really did like Meeks sister diss... I thought it was better then Drakes and Meeks combined

Post: #394

Damnit, Meeks sister went harder than Meek.

Petition to rename thread "Is Meek the softest rapper of all time?"

Post: #395

(07-31-2015 04:37 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  He was?

Meek said that Drake had a ghostwriter.

QM is listed on the writing credits for every track. They never tried to hide it.

Surely a 'ghostwriter' is somebody out of sight out of mind that nobody would have known about.

Bolded part is wrong. According to webster's dictionary, to ghostwrite is to: " to write for and in the name of another", look up the word, none of the definitions allude to knowing the identify of the actual author, it's just the act of writing something and letting someone else claim authorship. So that just semantics, writing your bars is about authenticity. How can you pay another man to write what are supposed to be your personal experiences and intimate feelings?


To me Meek is trash but his point is that Drake isn't a "real" rapper because he doesn't write his own rhymes. Not that it matters because Drake is basically Ma$e 2.0, flashy, pretty-boy rapper with brilliant branding pushing him to the top, he can't lose this whack beef.

FYI: Not everyone listed a on song's credit is a writer; any producers are listed along with the composers of any cleared samples.

Post: #396

What's beef? Beef is when your mom's aint safe up in the streets.

Post: #397

(07-31-2015 08:21 PM)Pride male Wrote:  What's beef? Beef is when your mom's aint safe up in the streets.

Post: #398

Post: #399

Hitler's take on the beef.

Post: #400

http://zippy.gfycat.com/GrotesqueSilentHound.webm

Quote:Meek after watching Drake's OVOFest performance