Post: #26

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in:

There's a fine line between being a business owner who created the business to run a business (with girls on the side) and a business owner who created the business to get laid.

I know of several ubersleezy bar owners who bought/started these little dive bars so they could hire some cute bartenders, fuck him, then get rid of them. They use this as the crutch of their game, because they would have a hard time getting laid any other way. Their reputation gets around and 'higher-society' people usually disparage him as a sleezemeister.

Bro, you don't get high on your own supply. You can do a little bump here and there, but don't be the bar owner (or whatever) who's started a bar just to have a place to booze and brag how he's the owner, or to bang a couple dive bar bartenders. Ultimately, you have run a respectable shop.

A better role model would someone like John Casablancas (at least in his heyday, not the new scam model studios). He founded Elite Models. Elite discovered Cindy Crawford, Steph Seymour, Adriama Lima & others. But he was first and foremost a businessman, not a sleezeball weaseling into his clients panties.

Post: #27

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Post: #28

(07-04-2012 05:57 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in:

There's a fine line between being a business owner who created the business to run a business (with girls on the side) and a business owner who created the business to get laid.

I know of several ubersleezy bar owners who bought/started these little dive bars so they could hire some cute bartenders, fuck him, then get rid of them. They use this as the crutch of their game, because they would have a hard time getting laid any other way. Their reputation gets around and 'higher-society' people usually disparage him as a sleezemeister.

This is the exact opposite of what I want to do.

Here is my deal:

I swoop mad girls.

But I have to work pretty damn hard at it: Go out, get drunk, throw on a Custom Suit, create Status, Grease people, Straight up Run the spot, Lock Places down etc etc etc

What I do is like "throwing logs on a fire".

I wake up tomorrow, and I have to do it all over again from scratch.

I wake up in a new city, I have to start over from scratch.

That's why I am The People's Champ. Just a regular guy living a life 10000 times better than it should be.

I live a life that celebrities barely touch.

That's why I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis on the streets and street corners of the world.

However, I can't do this until I am 90 years old.

I need to make it a little easier at some point.

I am not planning on banging my employees.

I just need a place where mad fly girls roll by and see me Custom Suited while smoking a grit.

The rest will take care of itself.

Post: #29

well with u and ur damn custom suits, i would suggest something in the fields of fashion or modeling. The fashion world is fucking HUGE in europe. Go Monaco, Paris - boutique shops everywhere, photographers everywhere, modeling stations everywhere.

Post: #30

I like the idea of a high end magazine shop. Like a kiosk, but solid interior and a few places to take a load off and flip through some glossy rags.

If the margins were better on mags, and the future looked brighter (from what I have seen digital magazines on the iPad look pretty dope), I would set up a short term lease on a spot and see how it goes. I still need to make money, so breaking even would not cut it for me.

Hell, girls dont even read most of the mags. All they do is check out the fashion and make mental notes. Bouncing back to Sweden from Poland the Swedish girls were loading up on Polish fashion mags. 1/10 the price. I am sure that leverage could work anywhere that takes fashion seriously.

Post: #31

OP is considering this longterm. FWIW, magazines won't work long term. Nor (especially) will the latest trend in female-oriented fitness (bikram yoga, pole bar workouts, female boxing gym) because these fads are so cyclical. They would require constant maintenance to be hip & cool.

OP must ask himself: what will survive the 2-3 year fad timeline so that I don't constantly have to reinvent myself because reinvention is a pain in the ass.

Post: #32

(07-04-2012 04:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Have you ever been by one?

What's it like?

Can you shed a little more light?

Yeah, bro, my ex and all her friends do/did that shit.

What do you want to know?

Here's the Facebook page for the Venica, CA Dailey Method.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...493&type=3

Just to calibrate/so you know my standards. I would bang all of these girls.

Post: #33

(07-05-2012 12:11 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 04:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Have you ever been by one?

What's it like?

Can you shed a little more light?

Yeah, bro, my ex and all her friends do/did that shit.

What do you want to know?

Here's the Facebook page for the Venica, CA Dailey Method.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...493&type=3

Just to calibrate/so you know my standards. I would bang all of these girls.

Hell.

Dare I say it?

I would pay for all those girls to take a cab over to my crib and buy them all drinks.

I would even buy them all E-Tabs.

And swoop them all in one session.

But then again, I have No Game.

In all seriousness, how do you know those places make coin?

Seems like the owner of all those places is girls.

I would hate to have a female biz partner.

I bet that would be pure hell.

Post: #34

Events! You dont need to run a club... just a club night. Much less hassle. No bricks and mortar, lol, just pure promoting and hustling and putting something cool together.

That said it can be stressful, and getting paid can be a headache.

There are guys in BKK running a once-a-month thing that attracts mainly young expats, and local mixed thai groups - plenty of hotties, no skanky tourists or bar girls. They mosey around pouring vodka down peoples throats, setting themselves up as the alphas and leaders of the pack, and they get the pick of the girls.

edit: ahh I guess this doesnt fit so well with your intention of settling down and having a biz where the girls come to you. But good if you're willing to put in the energy.

Post: #35

(07-05-2012 10:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  In all seriousness, how do you know those places make coin?

Seems like the owner of all those places is girls.

I would hate to have a female biz partner.

I bet that would be pure hell.

I did the math. I almost convinced my ex into starting one with me as manager. She got smart.

There was one right by my crib. I'd walk by, look into the window, stalk it to get a sense of traffic.

Looked at real estate prices.

Looked at equipment costs.

The owner had a dog (same breed as mine), so when I saw her out, I ran "business game" on her.

She wasn't getting rich but netted a few grand a month.

The big cost is in licensing (if you go with Dailey Method or an established name) and equipment (if you do Pilates Reformers).

There is a lot of money in chick fitness/group exercise.

My ex makes $$$, as do most of her friends.

Guys are getting fewer degrees, earning less, they are basically broke.

But women have $150-250 a month to do fitness.

My ex did this every month:
* Dailey Method ($150)
* Yoga ($90)
* Gym ($40).

Next time you're in LA, just hit up the Pilates studio. You can do a drop-in rate of $20 or so.

Post: #36

Shit that's a great way to make money.

This is why I'll always laugh when people say feminism will die, women spend money like crazy, the only ones who save are extremely boring/lame/ugly... The bottom 5%. Keeps your economy going up.

Finally, the smart guys don't end up having kids. Don't see how that creates a stop to it, then again I am just a young dumb kid!

Have you ever seen a smoking hot girl having trouble making money? Nah, worst case they will get someone to pay for it.

(07-05-2012 02:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 10:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  In all seriousness, how do you know those places make coin?

Seems like the owner of all those places is girls.

I would hate to have a female biz partner.

I bet that would be pure hell.

I did the math. I almost convinced my ex into starting one with me as manager. She got smart.

There was one right by my crib. I'd walk by, look into the window, stalk it to get a sense of traffic.

Looked at real estate prices.

Looked at equipment costs.

The owner had a dog (same breed as mine), so when I saw her out, I ran "business game" on her.

She wasn't getting rich but netted a few grand a month.

The big cost is in licensing (if you go with Dailey Method or an established name) and equipment (if you do Pilates Reformers).

There is a lot of money in chick fitness/group exercise.

My ex makes $$$, as do most of her friends.

Guys are getting fewer degrees, earning less, they are basically broke.

But women have $150-250 a month to do fitness.

My ex did this every month:
* Dailey Method ($150)
* Yoga ($90)
* Gym ($40).

Next time you're in LA, just hit up the Pilates studio. You can do a drop-in rate of $20 or so.

Post: #37

A player buddy of mine retired from teaching (coached) and opened up a waxing salon in the San Fernando Valley. It's called Brazilian waxing. He bought a franchise, but he's going to ditch the license when it expires because it's very easy to run.

His waxing salon is an unbelievable chick magnet. Everyone from porn stars, B actresses, hot milfs and assorted other fine women go there.

Women will not give up spending on beauty type aids even if it's the last dime in their pocket. That's a fact. All the technicians are independent contractors and pay rent to him.

My family is in the restaurant and restaurant construction business and it is anything but easy. Why bust your butt in the food biz when you can have gorgeous women walking in and out of your store all day long without many of the usual hassles.

My buddy won't tell me what he's making. but the franchise company says he's one of the top stores in California (from their website). The mustards off the hot dog on this deal as Chick Hearn would say. He has to take a vacation away from the store to get away from the women.

He knew nothing about this business and his only expertise is playing and coaching volleyball and banging fine women. He's become like that 70's movie, Shampoo, with Warren Beatty. Fine women from all walks of life, married and single harass the life out of him.

I can see this business working if you are a smooth talker like he is. This business works on many levels. First, it's a cash business. Second, you don't have employees, only 1099's. Third, you can hire hot technicians and fourth, you got fine women coming in and out all day. Fifth, it's surprisingly recession resistant. My friend says it does require oversight and management, but it's far less than 99% of the brick and mortar businesses out there, especially food.

Finally, he spent some money on his store to look very nice. That's a must he says.

Post: #38

Hah Cherico nice story - I guess someone forgot to tell your friend's female clients that he must be gay and that they shouldn't be wanting to fuck him.

A flower shop is very debonair:

Post: #39

(07-04-2012 01:17 PM)basilransom Wrote:  My dream has always been to run a hostel in a hot spot. Just imagine running a hostel in VENICE BEACH. Every cute European chick passing through Southern California makes a stop there. The hours might be bad, but you're never far from a bed, you've got cute, often solo girls coming to you, asking for advice, chilling out in the hostel.

Another option is running a some sort of boutique hotel near a hot nightlife spot. Hot nightlife = hot young single girls. Breaking through a gaggle of girls to bang one might prove difficult, but I guess you'd make it up in volume.

I find these two options the most appealing. As we all know, girls on vacation are a lot sluttier.

I once stayed at a hotel on Ios in the Greek Islands, small place but very popular with the younger crowd. The guy who ran the hostel could have easily gone through 2 or 3 high quality girls a night. The place had a bar where they had drinks every evening before everyone headed out to the clubs. A hostel in a party hotspot is hands one of the best places for same night lays of young traveller chicks.

Having said that, a buddy of mine went backpacking in Australia a few years ago. He stayed at a hostel somewhere in the outback that was run by a guy in his 40s and his wife. My buddy told me that the guy was regularly banging 20 year old backpacker chicks, and his wife sort of knew but didn't say anything.

Post: #40

(07-04-2012 02:32 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:54 PM)Kona Wrote:  Here's the problem: No matter what you do, people, including a large segment of the girls you want to swoop, are gonna think your gay. The girls will say "Wow, he's really charming and well dressed, it's too bad he owns a lingerie shop." Even after you overcome the stereo type, do you really want to have to tell people at least once a day that you aren't gay? No.

Strongly disagree. Girls are intrigued by a guy who is masculine and attractive, yet has a few 'feminine' interests. A few girls will be annoying and say things like "haha, are you gay" - you can easily ignore those. But the quality ones will be intrigued.

Pickup artist Paul Janka has said that he's gotten lays from his fascination with women's high end shoes. I've talked to girls about clothes and even purses before. It just throws them on a loop - "wait, why does this cute cool guy know so much about clothes?!"

If a chick thinks you're gay, it's not because you own a flower shop. It's because you're soft. If you're not, you have nothing to worry about.

Also, from what I've heard, running a restaurant is a pretty big headache too.

100% in agreement with basilransom. If you're masculine in the areas where it "counts", doesn't matter whether you're talking about flower, lingerie, scented lotion or whatever.

Post: #41

Hey Basil:

Here's some more Wax business info. My buddy has 15 technicians working for him. All of them are female except for one gay guy. Gay Phil is his number one producer and he wants to replace some of the women with more gay guys.

Gay Phil is connected in the entertainment business and my buddy had a photo/art exhibit/party for one of Phil's Hollywood photographer friends. The place was stacked with models and other freak show biz types. My buddy did this to get more hairy poon customers.

Now he's planning a model show showcasing bikinis and his line of overpriced skin products that he pushes on customers. He uses Phil and his connections to get all the models and "B" actresses. Some of the technicians are minor celebrities in their own right and are booked weeks in advance. They also get a special deal on the cut. My friend promotes the celebrity techs just like a famous DJ, hair stylist or rock band.

Post: #42

(07-04-2012 12:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 12:06 PM)JofSuperman Wrote:  Modeling agency, porn company, fashion magazine, or swimsuit calendar. Easy access to women in all of them.

Have you done all of these?

Any?

Know anyone?

Share any insights beyond the obvious?

Everyone knows this already.

For instance, I don't need someone telling me that owning a strip club has "Easy access to women".

I think everyone already knows that.

Stay away on the porn one, yeah you can swoop mad chicks but those chicks come with a mad headache and crazy baggage. A dude I did some business with out in Vegas runs a pretty decent sized porn production company shooting content and also building the girls websites. Hes not the biggest player in the game but hes definitely got some girls under contract that you all know. Ive fucked two porn chicks that I met through him and it was a fucking nightmare. Take the bat shit craziest girl youve ever dealt with and thats them from the daddy issues, to the drug problems, to the co dependencey. Ive met a few that seemed normal but they were definitely the exception and not the rule.

Post: #43

(07-04-2012 11:41 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I thought that too for a second.

But I don't think being "The Yogurt Guy" would really be that dope.

True. I think of the self serve yogurt business as a business that could be very profitable, and allow you to bang an endless stream of 18-20 year old girls. It doesn't exactly fit what you are looking to do. A bar/club/restaurant may be best for that.

Post: #44

Here are my thoughts and experiences. In grad school I got bored and wanted to get some hot girls - I had no game. I started a fake talent agency, chopped up some business cards, put ads on craigslist and just wanted to see what happened. I didn't even half-ass it, I just basically did an extended experiment. Well it culminated in a "photo shoot party" at my friend's parent's house in Anaheim Hills, really nice place. Put the ad on craigslist, had a photographer buddy come in with tripod, semi-professional setup, had the pool running, fully stocked bar. About 10 girls showed up, about 10 guys including myself were there. Took photos, some stayed some left. 1 guy ended up banging 1 girl. She obviously drank with us. I wish I had some idea what I was doing back then, I maybe could have followed that through or what not.

I also started a t-shirt company. The basis of the company was basically the theories of most people on this website, i.e. stop eating women, work out, male dominant society, etc. Had a girl I banged and her friend do modeling for me of the shirts, then went out. For the time I ran the t-shirt biz, it was fun and got some minor recognition out of it. Here's another girl I got to just model one of my shirt's for me:



The first talent gig if I had done it right would have probably got me endless access to girls. The t-shirt company not so much, other than for modeling purposes of those shirts. Some other ideas/stories now:

My relative owned several big nightclubs in NYC. As in he was the owner, made millions of dollars, almost everyone would know the clubs. He then went into restaurants and eventually settled out in LA. Despite the money he made, he had insane headaches. Employees stealing from him, mafia/gangsta issues, corruption, etc. He married one of his workers and she got pregnant then divorced him. Granted, he is rich as fuck now and I bet he plowed through pussy, but it came at a cost.

My sister works at a very well known talent agency in LA. Every single time I interact with a girl in the entertainment industry and I mention this indirectly, their eyes gleam and they immediately want to know if she can help them. One even joked that she would sleep with me. How you can transition this into a business of your own, I have no idea because this is largely based on reputation.

In Huntington, I knew a girl that was a bartender at one of the bars. She said when the manager/owner hires girls to bartends, he interviews them while twirling a condom on the desk. She said many of the girls slept with him to get the job.

Multiple strippers have told me that the owner of the club bangs almost all the girls. Usually he is an old ugly fat dude too. But as someone else said, that comes with a bit of a reputation.

I really really like Basil's idea of a hostel. It takes care of: 1) access to girls, 2) girls that are younger, and 3) international talent. Or a tour operator that organizes pub crawls out of these hostels? When I was in Interlaken, the tour guide of the canyoning trips would bang different girls nightly. He was insanely athletic and did crazy cliff jumping, but still...access.

I'm with you G...this is something I've thought a lot about exploring. I will have 3 months of downtime in the winter and plan on spending it all basically researching and coming up with the most efficient way of creating this lifestyle. If at all possible, why go through the hell of approach, game, escalate, logistics, close when you can create something that will bring it all to you and shortcut the process? The question is what is that thing and how do you consistently pull from it.

Post: #45

Kona -

Break out the hostel story.

Post: #46

The thing with all these ideas is that they're far from a cakewalk for a novice. Usually you get a couple years experience at least as a broke young buck, then you break out on your own or co-manage a joint. I'm not criticizing, just wondering if there's anything within reach for a guy who doesn't want to give up his main job just yet.

At least for right now, I'd be cool with working part time for free in one of these gigs just for the access. My current job is good but has like Indian telemarketer level of potential for meeting chicks, i.e. none.

Post: #47

(07-08-2012 07:03 PM)basilransom Wrote:  The thing with all these ideas is that they're far from a cakewalk for a novice. Usually you get a couple years experience at least as a broke young buck, then you break out on your own or co-manage a joint. I'm not criticizing, just wondering if there's anything within reach for a guy who doesn't want to give up his main job just yet.

At least for right now, I'd be cool with working part time for free in one of these gigs just for the access.

Yeah, this is like my 10 year plan.

If I do decide on something, I am going to start working there at least one day a week, maybe more. Learn everything about the biz.

I don't get involved in anything I don't fully understand.

IE if it's a flower shop, I am going to work there.

Quote:My current job is good but absolute has like Indian telemarketer level of potential for meeting chicks, i.e. none.

Ha.

Great line.

Post: #48

Basil get a part time job at a convenience/liquor store. You'll be able to spit game at more girls in a few hours than you could in the bars in clubs in six months. The first day I moved to Florida I stopped at one on my sportbike and the dude working there had one and asked me to ride with him. We stopped at girls houses one after the next smoked weed and drank with them nightly and banged of course. The shit was never ending.

Post: #49

(07-08-2012 07:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Basil get a part time job at a convenience/liquor store. You'll be able to spit game at more girls in a few hours than you could in the bars in clubs in six months. The first day I moved to Florida I stopped at one on my sportbike and the dude working there had one and asked me to ride with him. We stopped at girls houses one after the next smoked weed and drank with them nightly and banged of course. The shit was never ending.

Haha funny you say that... I did work at a big chain liquor store for a few months. But it was not cool. It was like Best Buy with tequila. Complete with super lame uniforms, nametags and white knight managers ready to bust your ass for anything and bitchy chicks for coworkers who'd snitch at the tip of a hat. It was kinda a low point for me, only got one date out of that.

I did know a neighborhood liquor store in school that had potential like you said - that's exactly what I thought every time I went in there. It helps to be around young non-cliquish people. Your experience sounds fuckin awesome.

There's a cookie joint in LA that always has a crowd full of cuties outside, night or day. But the logistics for 'double dipping' are terrible. You'd still have to go through the whole date ordeal. Compared to a hostel, hotel, bar situation...

I like calling this idea double dipping - first into their wallet, then into their...

Post: #50

Basil:

I receive a lot of value and enjoyment from this site. It's easily my favorite on the web. It's about time I started giving back and hope that it helps some of you cats.

This is for anyone of any age that is starting off on a "shoe string" budget. My young nephew (24) and his buddy buy goods wholesale and retail them on the Venice Boardwalk, Rose Bowl swap meet and other events and festivals.

Go to independentretailer.com and look at their online catalog. My nephew buys from here and from the industry trade shows in Las Vegas and LA. Look at the reading glasses in the catalog. They go for $1.40 or so each. I was just in Walgreens today and reading glasses were selling for $14!!!! My nephew sells the glasses in flea markets for $5.

He and his buddy sell "band" t-shirts on the Boardwalk. You know, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, Led Zep - all the biggies. Buys them for $4 and sells them for $10-14. He gets the best deals at the trade shows. You can find the trade show list at the above website.

He also has a website where he sells survival/gun type gear. He knows nothing about web design. He went to Go Daddy and built his website in an hour. Let me tell you about my nephew. His only skills are playing guitar in an alt rock band and surfing. He has a degree in art! He and his buddy Jake work the 6 warm months here in SoCal and then make enough to spend the other 6 months in Hawaii, mainly on the north shore. Waves break monster in the winter on the north shore. They also surf Bali, Fiji, Philippines, and Baja.

They meet hordes of women on the boardwalk and other festivals. There are thousands of women walking past him every day - and he's at the beach.

He's also the guy that sends young hot girls into clubs selling flashing led type bracelets, glow in the dark things. You can find some in the above catalog. I think he pays $.25-.50 for the things and sells them for $5. He splits the money with the girls.

All of the above are low risk ventures. Maybe you won't make Donald Trump dollars, but you definitely can make enough to fund an exciting lifestyle like my nephew and his buddy.

If anyone has questions about this business, let me know and I'll ask my nephew.