Post: #1001

(10-11-2013 07:38 PM)Dusty Wrote:  ^^

My crazy approach last night.

I'm walking down the street and see a girl standing by the curb futzing with her phone. We lock eyes, so I figure its an easy approach.

Dusty: Looks like your struggling with your phone.

(As I got up close, I realized I'm not that attracted to her but can't eject. Kind of cute face though. A 5 with a 6 face. Short Asian.)

Liz: HA. Yeah, I was out drinking with my friends after work. Hey, you're really cute!

(I could smell the alcohol on her breath)

Dusty: Thanks, how many drinks did you have? HA HA

Liz: No seriously, you're cute. I have a friend who would love you. (Shows me pic of her friend who looks good). Do you want to meet her?

Dusty: Ok sure.

Liz: How old are you? How tall? She's 32. (I answer her questions. Exchange names and numbers. She takes a pic of me for her friend.).

Liz: Are you sure you're not gay? Why aren't you taken?

Dusty: Oh I'm straight, want me to prove it to you right now? (Seinfeld reference)

Liz: Don't tempt me Dusty! Where do you live? HA HA

Dusty: Just a few blocks away.

Liz: Don't tempt me Dusty. HA HA . Seriously, pinch me. I can't believe a cute guy just walks up to me on the street. (I'm thinking, what she isn't going to try to fix me up with her friend now?)

Blah blah. We chatted some more. A lot of effusive praise from her. How well dressed I am, how nice my teeth are, and said "omg so cute" about 10 times. It's flattering, but disconcerting too. Now I know what a chick feels like when a guy does the "your so hot!!" stuff over and over.

I could have definitely made out with her, but I kissed her cheek. The Seinfeld "let me prove I'm straight" joke came up again, and she did the "Where do you live? Don't tempt me!" thing again.

I kind of feel bad for her too. She's acting like she found a man, but I was just practicing my approaches. Needy. She texted me about a half hour later with smiley faces and exclamation points about how I made her day.

I learned a few things being on the "other side." It's nice to be complimented, but a nonchalant "you're cute" once would have been fine. But over and over effusively made me look down on her. Hard to respect her. She has my number, but I already friend zoned her. Of course, I'm sure I would have been ok with it if she was an 8 .

So, it solidified for me what I should do when I go direct. A nonchalant and casual "you look good" or "you're kind of cute" once, then drop it can be very powerful. More than that and you're over-the-top and appear to not have self-respect.

Next steps, if she contacts me, I'll see if I can arrange a happy hour with me and a friend and her and her friends, and maybe there will be some bangable talent in the group.

You never know until you approach. Nice. Personally I am about the notches now so I probably would have smashed and mess it up with future hook ups with her friends. Then again I dislike talking to drunk chicks when I am sober so it might have been a turn off. Hopefully the self control pays off with a bang of the hotter friend. If not you can still smash her in the future.

Post: #1002

Approached a cute little white chick. Its a hiphop club. 80% Mexican and 20% black. So two white girls are there chillin. I was surprised. Its rare to find white chicks in a hood little spot. I am peacocking as always. All the dudes have their little Jordans and oversized shirts. I easily had one of the best outfits on. You know you are peacocking when the women stare at the pants and shoes.

So we locked eyes a few times. I waited for the friend to leave and I swooped in. Short little convo. Told her I know what she is looking for and she laughed. Shes from out of town. Just as I was going to get to a venue change her friend comes in. I was trying to keep a table locked down also so I was distracted. I made her night by approaching but she said later.

Dropped the ball by letting the cockblockin friend step in. I didnt introduce myself. At the same time she didnt look my way at all. Ill catch her next time.

Post: #1003

(10-28-2013 04:28 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  You never know until you approach. Nice. Personally I am about the notches now so I probably would have smashed and mess it up with future hook ups with her friends. Then again I dislike talking to drunk chicks when I am sober so it might have been a turn off. Hopefully the self control pays off with a bang of the hotter friend. If not you can still smash her in the future.

Her and her friend actually texted me last Tuesday. They were trading the phone back and forth and sending me amusing texts to come out and meet them. I accused them of being lesbians (because she called her friend her "g/f") . They were at an Indian Restaurant and wanted me to stop by. The restaurant was only a few blocks away, but I was in for the night. Besides I don't "chop chop" come running when a girl demands it.

Me and a buddy are going to happy hour on Thursday. I may text her and see if she and her friend want to meet us. No harm in evaluating the friend .

Post: #1004

I went to my sisters elementary school track meet and got bored very quick. Somehow I see this MILF talking to her son, he goes to the same school as my sister. She stood out from the crow. Nice tall heels, tailored pants, tailored blouse, hair fixed up, and white smile. I was in: basketball shorts, shirt, nikes.

I killed some time then went and sat a bench away from her, about 5 feet away. She was tapping her leg a lot meaning she was bored or desperate.....considering I do that very often. There was a lot of anxiety in me but then I went with it and asked her in spanish "you came to see your son?" she didn't understood me so I asked in english. We made small chat and then it got quiet. Small chat again.

What grade is your son?
What events is he doing?
Look, there's an open space, you should go there and compete with them.

The last one opened her a lot, we talked about what we liked to do for exercise, our jobs, etc. I'll call her Laura, she works in sales for a company, like herbalife. She mentioned she was hungry and I had some fruits together so I shared with her. Laura made a few phone calls, then her friend (and my mom's friend) cockblocked me by saying "tell your mom I said hi" and "this is my son" we shook hands and all. They changed numbers and my mom's friend invited Laura to her church. She was impressed that I knew French and asked me how to say a few words.

Just after that my little sister came over and cockblocked me. She was there for like 15 minutes asking me questions and wanting to play with my phone. I talked to Laura once in a while (every few minutes we made comments on the events).

Then my sister left as the last event finished. Then her coach came over looking to take pictures. We got our picture taken together. Oh and her son saw me talking to her mom. As soon as the last event finished she had to go but I went for the number.

Me: "You said you like to run and you run on Wednesdays. We should go to the lake tomorrow".
Her: "Don't you have work tomorrow?"
Me: "Maybe but I'm on vacation and they want me to take all of it" (BS, I start work tomorrow. Work cockblocked me)
Her: "It sounds like a plan. I'm usually there by....."
Me: cut her off "what's your phone number?"
Her: "it's 000-000-0000, omg is that your phone? It's huge! Where did you bought it?"
Me: "It's a tablet but I use it as a phone"
Her: "Ah okay, well it was a pleasure meeting you. I hope to see you there tomorrow"

We shook hands and left. I should've gone for a hug at least (her kid was nearby). She's moving on Saturday so I might use it as a window to "come help out". I'm broke as fudge so I couldn't invite her for lunch so there's that.

All I want to say is, THANK YOU GIOVONNY! You once told me, "don't think about it as game, think about it as a regular conversation". I treated it as such, just trying to talk with her. At first I couldn't get my words straight but by the end I was speaking flawlessly.

Three indian women were sitting behind us and they were awed I just went there and talked to her like it was Saturday morning.

Post: #1005

Approach #6.

I get on the train after following a cute brunette girl that is about my height. I follow her and sit nearby while checking my phone for text messages so I don't make eye contact with her, although from my periphery it seems she gave me a glance.

I sit down, finish my text message, and pull out a fake phone call. This wasn't necessary but I did it anyways.

Talked for 2 minutes, hung up. Looked over at her after taking a drink from my water bottle (if you look over my past few approaches here they have ALL been like this ) 'Excuse me, are those boots actual leather?'

'... No I don't think so'
'Sometimes I can't really tell, the difference between leather and fake leather isn't always obvious.'
'Ya.'
'Where did you get them from?'
'Aldo'
'I see. I've had bad experiences with aldo shoes in the past. They don't seem to last as long as I would like'
'Ya they don't last.'
'Those look like they are holding up pretty well.'
'They are really worn out'

At this point I was getting the vibe she wasn't much into talking. She was still looking at her phone a lot and eye contact was very minimal. Her responses were as short as possible and to the point. I tried to milk it further..

'I think that you chose black as a good colour though. Seems to show less wear than other colours such as brown'
'Ya probably'
'What stores do you really get leather boots from anyways? They tend to be expensive and sometimes.....'

I knew at this point further rambling was futile. She was giving just polite eye contact at this point but I could tell she didn't really want to talk anymore.

It's either I didn't push the right buttons and approach in the best way for her, or she just wasn't into me. Doesn't matter.

I let the conversation drift and she pulled out her phone and made a call to a friend, maybe to ease out of awkwardness she might have felt. I feel when an approach doesn't vibe too well there is some un-avoidable awkwardness, but I don't really feel it. Maybe the girl does?

I've seen this girl a couple times in the past during commutes, so I'm glad to have approached her since I've had intentions of doing it in the past and hesitated. Now I know I can next her because I acted, and not because I hesitated.

Post: #1006

(10-29-2013 01:41 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  THANK YOU GIOVONNY! You once told me, "don't think about it as game, think about it as a regular conversation

You're welcome hermano. I'm glad it worked for you.

Sometimes, when we think "game", it can put to much pressure and to many expectations on us to perform.

Better to "just talk" naturally and openly sometimes..

On that note, I had a "natural" approach yesterday at the store...

Cute Filapina looking at eggs, I didn't needs eggs but I went over there and pretended like I did, I grabbed a dozen and then commented on the ones that she grabbed. We were basically standing right next to each other..

me: are those ones good?
her: oh, im not sure, i haven't tried them
me: that packaging is cool, i haven't seen that before
her: yes, it must be new
me: its gotta be, thats unique.
her: ya different

The egg carton was totally clear and tranparent.

me: Im gonna try these organic eggs because i got a "just4u" special
her: oh
me: ya do you know about "just4u"
her: um, is that the same as the club card
me: well, its part of the club card but is more personalized, if you go online and click "just4u", you will see personalized deals, they see what you buy and then they offer you special deals
her: really? thanks i will check that out
me: your welcome. my name is gio
her: kim
me: nice to meet you, wanna chat again sometime?

Shows me her wedding ring.

Next!

*****

The next day I was at the mall and I saw a cute white girl walking by herself. I sped up so I could walk alongside of her. She stopped at the crosswalk..

me: whats up girl
her: hi
me: you look nice today
her: thank you
me: are from around here?
her: no im from la
me: oh have long have you been up here?
her: 3 months
me: welcome to sf, how are you liking it?
her: its cool
me: different huh?
her: ya a little
me: its like la but in slow motion
her: haha thats a good way to put it
me: you have a unique style, wanna grab a beer or soemthing sometime?
her: no thanks

Next!

(10-29-2013 06:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Now I know I can next her because I acted, and not because I hesitated.

"Those who take action become kings"

--Kenny Powers

Post: #1007

Brothers I haven't posted in my favorite "Approach thread" because of couple of incidients that lead to playing slowly, Introspection and calibrating my game and getting results.

I am going to put my thought process here as a diary and it might help someone else as well.

Couple of months ago I approached a girl at supermarket in produce section, she kept looking at me , third time she looked I approached her after some banter went for the number close, I call her so she will get my number and my name appears in her Phone along with what I do. Ding it .... I had approached her last year and we made plans but never went out.

Second Incident: I approach a girl in line for coffee and she looks familiar, Simply asked her I have seen her somewhere before, Usual Banter, went for the number and she calls me already had her number in my phone and she told me yes we met before you asked if there is a Wi-Fi network that you can use.

After a lot of Introspection I came up with Calibrations for my game

• My hunting ground is getting small for me and I need to change my Hunting Grounds.
  

Another thing that had been bugging me for a while now that I Approach a lot, get a lot of numbers but don't get no dick in pussy time, where is the problem in the Fuck Funnel ?

Approaches -> Numbers -> Dates -> Bangs

My Approach to numbers ratio is great I have counted close to 3 numbers for every 10 Approaches with No dates out of those. So I decided to concentrate on going to dates and my date game sucks because I don't go on a lot of dates. Simple .... isn't it ? Approach a lot and you get better at Approaching and getting numbers , Date a lot and you get better at getting girls to Isolation Spot preferably you pad and apply the first date bang recipe.

Next Calibration was

• Going on a lot of dates
  

I was still having problems , going to hotels not a option , taking girls home not an option.

Next Calibration was Big

• Getting a centrally Located Apt
  

Big as in I mean seeing the results , I banged with in the first week of getting the pad, gone on 5 dates in the last 2 weeks , all came to the door , 3 came in , out of the three that came in 1 banged the first night, 2 got naked but wouldn't bang and are looking good for a 2nd date bang, Out of these two 1 gave me a hand job.

One that didn't come in but is looking forward to a second meeting is the hottest , 22 y/o who likes cultures and mature men. She is what I am focusing on right now.

Not that I am not approaching anymore, I don't think i can ever stop doing that, I love the excitement of a Cold approach (Will post a few Intersting approaches as I get more time to type) I am but choosing my tragets more carefully and also supplemeting from Online game and focusing on getting to the isolation Pad that is equipped with Alcohol

I think my new posts might belong to Players Lounge ? or hopefully I just had Sex thread.

Any Suggestion from RVF brothers are welcome .......

Post: #1008

I haven't replied in a few days, but a quick update just to have it documented.

MeetMe has turned out to be a great lead generator for the 18-22 age group. For over 2 months it was damn near useless, but finally I got an in: the "social girl" who gets like 200 "Ask" questions a day has taken a liking to me. She has a boyfriend, but she keeps steering me to her friends and other women on MeetMe she thinks are nice/decent/cute. It's like having my own personal servant opening these women for me, and it's flippin' fantastic. I've got two "hangouts" (not even dates) lined up for next week and the Queen herself is having boyfriend issues and started flirting with me this morning. No bangs yet, but a HUGE development from a seemingly useless source (at least for my area.)

Less than a day after my last post two women on OKC opened me. Nothing fancy, both are SIFs but one of them has a pretty cute face. I replied back about 2 hours later and said, "I'm looking for an LTR, but I've been burned by too many relationships that start with the idea that it'll last forever. How about FWB and we see if the friendship survives?" Both are interested, sent the usual "OMG these are kinda' erotic but kinda' disgusting" pictures so I'm still deciding if my dick really wants it or not. I know it does but those pictures weren't really getting a raise of out of it so I'm not sure if it's worth it. I might do the one that's got a cute face just to +1 it, but the other one might end up on the back burner until she begs for it. The other one is a 21-year-old (so at least a decade younger than me), and that's usually a pretty big turn-on for me in itself.

My redhead finally messaged back around Halloween. We have a pretty good friendship going (only slept together once so far) and she bitched at me about how the guys in her life all want to sleep with her now that she's being slutty. *face palm* I tried explaining to her how she's changing the dynamic of her friendships by introducing sex, and how that sets a new expectation with the guy, but she wasn't quite getting it. I need to come up with a better analogy to help her out.

My previously-stabled pasty white chick is still off-limits since she found herself wanting a stable relationship with her current boyfriend. It's been a whole week, which is much longer than it normally takes her to realize she's just trying to change something so she can feel like she's doing something with her life. I'm thinking she's going to crash pretty hard once she realizes nobody hires an idiot to do anything of any importance, and she'll want to crash on my dick for a few weeks during her "what does it all mean?" moment. Since she's a fun lay I don't mind playing the waiting game--can't be all up in her shit all the time!

I haven't opened in 5 or 6 days and it's getting to me. I really need to spend Thursday evening at a bar practicing openers since work prevents me from doing any day gaming. If I had my choice I'd work in the afternoon and spend all morning at the local (expensive) university trying to pull 18-21 year olds, but sadly that isn't in the cards.

Post: #1009

(10-28-2013 11:04 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  I was at the bookstore yesterday and saw a girl sitting on the floor (red flag) with tarot cards scattered around her (green flag). I blurted out "What are those?" and she looked at me without skipping a beat and delivered the worst blow out ever: "None of your business. Leave me alone.

I froze because I never anticipated such a rude response. After a 2-3 second wait I said "Nice." and walked away.

You handled that about as well as one could. I'm sure there might have been a way to continue plowing, but why bother? On the positive side, you didn't have to waste 2 weeks to figure out she's a psycho bitch.

Post: #1010

Shoulda kicked the tarot cards and scattered them about

Post: #1011

Walking down the street today stopped at the intersection, I see a girl next to me. White girl (maybe Italian), early 30s. A 7.

Me: I like your sunglasses.

Her: [awkward] oh, um thanks

Me: Ha. Yeah, I'm focused on people's sunglasses today because I want to replace mine.

Her: I see.

Me: Yeah, I bought these at Walgreens for like $5 so I figured I'd should upgrade. Where did you get yours?

Her: I got them at XYZ store, they will cost more than $5 ha ha.

(blag blah sunglasses small talk for a bit).

Me: Do you live in the city?

Her: No I live in xxx suburb, but came here to shop.

Me: Me too. Do you work in the city.

Her: No I work in xxx also.

Me: What do you do?

Her: I'm a (something something biology) researcher at xyz university.

Me: Oh, so you have a phd?

Her: Yes I do.

(blah blah, she asks me what I do and where I live. Some more innocuous small talk).

Me: Well I need to go this way.

Her: Nice talking to you.

Me: Yeah, do you want to grab a drink some time?

Her: [awkward]. I ..uh..um...oh sure why not.

Me: Ok, what's you number?

(gives me her number. I sent her a text right then so she had my number.).

She texted me about an hour later: "Nice meeting you! I hope you had success on your sunglasses quest!"

Post: #1012

About 20 minutes later I'm at another intersection. I see this stunning beauty next to me. Looks like a halfie (half white half asian). An 8 or 9.

Me: I like your handbag. I bet there is a story behind it.

Her: Thank you! Yes, it's from Guatemala.

Me: Oh, did you travel there?

Her: No my friend was there she got it for me.

Me: Yes, I was thinking it was from central America or Mexico because of the colors.

Her: Yes, very latin American look.

Me: What's your name?

Her: Carolyn. What's yours?

Me: Dusty.

Me: Do you live here or are you a tourist?

Her: [seems a little uncomfortable. I was probably getting too personal with my questions too soon]. Oh, I'm a tourist.

Her: Well, it was nice meeting you! [I can take a hint, but since she was an 8 or 9 I went for a Hail Mary]

Me: How long are you in town for?

Her: Oh, um, just today [Stopped making eye contact and was texting on her phone].

Me: Well nice meeting you, I have to run.

Her: [looks up and smiles] nice meeting you too!


Next!

Post: #1013

Right On Dusty you diagnosed the problem yourself, asking too many questions and personal questions , although there is no reason to follow a pattern while approaching but try to get to Goal......... and that goal is to ...... "make the Girl ask you a personal question" by rambling longer and throwing small and large DHV baits.

Once a Girl asks you a personal question means she is interested and you can deploy the GALNUC

just my 2 cents fellow rvf player .......

Post: #1014

(11-09-2013 06:46 PM)Lothario Wrote:  Right On Dusty you diagnosed the problem yourself, asking too many questions and personal questions , although there is no reason to follow a pattern while approaching but try to get to Goal......... and that goal is to ...... "make the Girl ask you a personal question" by rambling longer and throwing small and large DHV baits.

Once a Girl asks you a personal question means she is interested and you can deploy the GALNUC

just my 2 cents fellow rvf player .......

Today before I went out I made sure I had my head on straight. I made sure I would be bold and fearless in my approaching. I thought about any fears that might creep in that might make me shy away from talking to hot girls, and I proactively disputed them. What I didn't do is refresh myself on my conversation skills. I felt a little rusty conversation wise. I didn't have my talking points at my finger tips. I was defaulting too fast into the "what do you do? where do you live?" stuff.

But you notice, I had a 50% success rate today. I've noticed in general I've been getting more digits lately.

I took some Dale Carnegie classes for work a couple times, and they teach that 80% of communication is how you say things, and 20% is what you say. That might be true for approaches too. If you come across as confident and a leader, they are more apt to follow you. I'm getting bolder and have more of a "I don't give a shit what you think of me" attitude, and I think that is helping.

Now that's not to say the 20%-30% of what you say can be neglected. It all helps. In fact, when you have good content, that probably feeds the "how you say it" part as well. In other words, if you find yourself spitting out good content, you will feel more confident. A virtuous cycle.

Your feedback was appreciated Lothario.

Post: #1015

Havent really been approaching lately. On the bus yesterday saw a cute girl getting on and told myself I had to, to get the ball rolling and doing it consistently.

Walks on, she makes eye contact with me, sits in the aisle across. Her name is Jessica.

Me: (Leaning over to get attn) What kind of headphones are those?

Jessica: Oh um, I dunno, regular ones. (Kind of smiles)

Me: Oh I see you know why because my headphones are so bad they're falling apart I need new ones now you know so all the time I'm wondering what headphones should I get and etc rambling on and on.

J: (Kind of dumbfounded, but we're making eye contact to express some subcommunication so its ok) Oh yeah mine are just cheap ones.

Me: You look nice today you know that. thats why I wanted to talk to you to see what you sound like. What kind of music do you listen to on those. what do you like.

J: Oh just anything.

Me: I have a new daft punk album on here, have you ever heard of them, it is so amazing let me show you. (speaking real slow and intense.) You want to hear it? (as I'm moving over to sit next to her)

J: Sure (smiles)

Me: Rambling on and on (I was pretty nervous as I'm rusty from not approaching in a while, but i gradually closed the space between us and started bumping her with my body as I was talking and making sure to triangular gaze or whatever, just basically analyzing her face. she was not as good looking as I thought I could see all her flaws)

tl;dr

In summary: She just kept giving me the green light, but seemed kind of whatever, not very responsive. 3rd year chemical engineering student so that means she's smart right?. I considered it practice but regret not getting her number and setting up a date for later. I won't make that mistake anymore kind of annoyed by that. She was on her way to class and prob would have had to take the bus back. she was reasonably cute. 6.5 after noticing her up close. 7 from far away.

Felt so good to approach instead of just sitting on the bus reading or something. Makes the time go by faster. Felt like my T-levels spiked instantly.

Post: #1016

Great Job approaching Lights ......

I am going to repeat what Slubu told me once.

push the limits, Go for the Bang, If no bang go for BJ, hand Job, booby action, make out if nothing go for Insta date and if not even that go for a number only as means to communicate to meet later.

Keep approaching and keep pushing the limits and keep reporting ......

Post: #1017

(11-09-2013 06:46 PM)Lothario Wrote:  Right On Dusty you diagnosed the problem yourself, asking too many questions and personal questions , although there is no reason to follow a pattern while approaching but try to get to Goal......... and that goal is to ...... "make the Girl ask you a personal question" by rambling longer and throwing small and large DHV baits.

Once a Girl asks you a personal question means she is interested and you can deploy the GALNUC

just my 2 cents fellow rvf player .......

Lothario,

What is your suggestion if you're dropping bait repeatedly but she is just not picking it up?

A lot of times I'll be dropping things like, "where I used to live," "where I'm from," "for the sport I compete in," and they'll just nod and won't bite.

Any tips on how to extract some personal questions?

Post: #1018

I've noticed something for quite a while:

We at times ramble and ramble. Our mission should be to get from A to B in the shortest time possible. Before I thought I should ramble forever to "make her feel safe and gain her trust", now I think every minute I spend rambling is a minute she's getting bored.

Post: #1019

(11-10-2013 01:54 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I've noticed something for quite a while:

We at times ramble and ramble. Our mission should be to get from A to B in the shortest time possible. Before I thought I should ramble forever to "make her feel safe and gain her trust", now I think every minute I spend rambling is a minute she's getting bored.

Yes, good observation..

I think "rambling" is highly overrated.

The goal of "rambling" should be to GET HER TO "RAMBLE"!

Getting her to ramble means that she is investing more into the interaction. You want her to open up and share deep feelings and emotions with you. When people open up to you, they feel more connected to you.

Roosh wrote "Bang" years ago. His game has evolved a lot since then. I think his concept of "rambling" has also evolved. In "Bang", "rambling" is described as a tool/skill to help you prolong a conversation. Its a concept to help newbies.

As your game gets better, I think its important the Ramble With A Purpose.

Ramble to engage her hamster. Ramble to engage her emotions. Ramble to invite her to ramble.

It's important to be a good listener and ask good probing questions. Open ended questions that guide her towards emotional closeness with you. You want her to get comfortable sharing her secrets with you. Thats the goal, at least.

Also, don't forget to playfully tease her occasionally. They are all insecure. Identify her insecurities and tease her about them, WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE!

Post: #1020

I have done about 20 approaches in the last few days on various college campuses. Usually, I write most of the conversation, but, now, I don't think I need to share the entire conversation. Now, I will only post my opening line. I think that is the most important line.. Here they are..

I was at a college basketball game, I see a hot, young, black girl walking towards me, I make strong eye contact with her and she gives me some good eye contact back as she lips her lips exposing her tongue ring to me. I feel like she did it on purpose to flirt with me.

I keep my eye on her looking for an opportunity to approach her. A few minuted later, I see some guy touch her hair and she says "Don't touch my hair like that". She takes a few steps away from the guy in my direction and I immediately say "Don't let him touch your hair like that". She says "Yeah, I know, right?" The conversation was on. I got her number

Here are some other openers that I used on college girls this week..

I saw a gorgeous little white girl walking towards me:

"Hey, cool dress" -- She stopped and chatted for a few minutes. She was from a small town out in the mountains and new to SF.

I was walking behind a cute latina..

"You walk fast like me" -- Of course, I was pacing my steps so that we would be walking at the same speed as me. We chatted as we walked and she gave me her number.

I was crossing the street with a young white girl. She entered the crosswalk first, I went 2nd and another lady went 3rd. I pretended that the young white girl went to fast..

"Don't look at me, I was just following her"(I pointed at the young white girl) She looked back and said "what", I said "Oh, I was just blaming everything on you because you didn't wait for the green light", "Oh, sorry" she said and the conversation was on.

I see a cutie wearing tight yoga pants and a work out top..

"How was your workout?"

A girl made eye contact with me and smiled..

"Hey, where do we know each other from?"

I saw a beautiful, young latina dressed very nice. I walked up along side of her..

"Cool skirt"

A young cutie is walking ner me and I see her hug herself like she is cold..

" It's freezing out here!"

A girl is looking at the menu of a food truck. I walk up smiling..

"Whats good here?"

I see a cutie wearing an Louisiana State sweatshirt..

""Go Tigers"

These are the simple little comments that allowed me to interact and chat with dozens of college girls this week. If I can't bang one of these girls, I will approach another 20 or 30 next week.

Post: #1021

(11-10-2013 03:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 01:54 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I've noticed something for quite a while:

We at times ramble and ramble. Our mission should be to get from A to B in the shortest time possible. Before I thought I should ramble forever to "make her feel safe and gain her trust", now I think every minute I spend rambling is a minute she's getting bored.

Yes, good observation..

I think "rambling" is highly overrated.

The goal of "rambling" should be to GET HER TO "RAMBLE"!

Getting her to ramble means that she is investing more into the interaction. You want her to open up and share deep feelings and emotions with you. When people open up to you, they feel more connected to you.

Roosh wrote "Bang" years ago. His game has evolved a lot since then. I think his concept of "rambling" has also evolved. In "Bang", "rambling" is described as a tool/skill to help you prolong a conversation. Its a concept to help newbies.

As your game gets better, I think its important the Ramble With A Purpose.

Ramble to engage her hamster. Ramble to engage her emotions. Ramble to invite her to ramble.

It's important to be a good listener and ask good probing questions. Open ended questions that guide her towards emotional closeness with you. You want her to get comfortable sharing her secrets with you. Thats the goal, at least.

Also, don't forget to playfully tease her occasionally. They are all insecure. Identify her insecurities and tease her about them, WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE!

I agree with this. I think you guys are coming off weird as fuck if you go up to girls and just keep talking about inane bullshit she doesn't give a fuck about.

Imagine how weirded out you would be if some dude you don't know came up to you and kept talking about how much he loves cats while you were waiting for a bus and he just kept going on when you were barely being polite.

Especially if you keep going on doing the same thing when the interaction is fizzling you're encroaching on social retard territory.

Fuck rambling and trying to "win her over" with waiting for her to take your conversational bait.

You need to be radiating a positive, masculine, sexual vibe.

Go in direct with your body language and eye contact, pair it with a smirk and just be playfully challenging.

You don't need to be logical or make sense, don't be afraid to ask her a personal question if you can tease her about her answer afterwards.

Bring the party, and remember to have fun with it.

Save the rambling for after the attraction has been established.

Post: #1022

i wouldn't discount it by simply saying "fuck rambling." in day bang, roosh lays out in detail why he does what he does and how he came up with that method. If you're sitting in a quiet coffee shop working, it's a great way to strike up a conversation. "bring the party" is not going to work. it's good to have many tools in your arsenal, and much of it comes down to your personality

Post: #1023

(11-10-2013 03:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I have done about 20 approaches in the last few days on various college campuses....

those are the types of openers i like to do. something spontaneous that can start an interesting conversation. its feels more natural and less like you're "gaming"

Post: #1024

At Starbucks in line. A see a young cute asian in line in front of me. Trying to think how to open. She speaks foreign language to her friend sitting behind us. Then a blond comes in line behind me. We made brief eye contact. I says to myself this one is a better prospect (no friends here, and IOI).

I wait until we are both over by where you wait to get your drink. Mutual eye contact and smiles again.

Me: So, what did you order?

Her: Huh? Oh, cappuccino. What about you?

Me: Frapucinno. Hhhm accent. You're from France?

Her: ha ha. That's the first I heard that. No I'm German.

(blah blah, she talks about the French versus German accent. Asks me where I'm from ,etc).

We get our drinks, and I'm continuing to talk to her as we are walking.

Her: I was going to sit down and drink this, do you want to join me?

Me: Sure.

<we have an insta date for about 20 minutes or so.>

Her: Well I need to leave, it was very nice talking to you.

Me: (pull out phone) Same here. Do you want to go out sometime?

Her: Yes.

<exchange numbers>.

Her: It's kind of bad timing, I'm going back to Germany next week for two months (she referenced that earlier). We'll have to go out in the new year.

Me: That's fine, just don't forget about me.

Her: Ha ha, Dusty who likes xyz music. I won't forget.

Post: #1025

Thought I’d log some recent daytime approaches. I’m not ashamed to show how much of a novice at this I am. I try to recall as much as I can of the original mindset, to show the mental space I’m in at the time.

Even thought I know I probably shouldn’t, I’ve taken some time away from nighttime approaches because I’ve been very disciplined about my fitness/health regime which doesn’t mesh well with staying out late. I’ve been trying to run “passive” day game where I flirt with girls if I run into them in the course of my day/errands, rather than set aside whole blocks of time and do deliberate street approaches, etc… Where I live there isn’t a dense city center good for doing that efficiently. (I’m thinking a local shopping mall may work for that, though.)

Anyway, I’ve playing a little inner challenge where I’ve told myself I MUST go for the number if I get strong eye contact and a good vibe from a cashier. Trying to push out of my comfort zone. Let me set up the background: A few days ago I was blocked (my intuition tells me) by a manager after getting some good eye contact for the second time from a really cute latina at a local health food store. According to the advice in one of the “cashier” threads here, I manage to time everything so I get into her line alone. But, just as I start up a convo the manger steps in and sends her on a break and takes over her spot. (BTW he looks a LOT like IRT down in Georgia, I am not kidding about that.) I can tell he’s maybe an orbiter or something by his body language and the way he talks to her. He’s totally into her. Can’t blame him- she’s exotic-looking. I’m pissed my approach got messed up and perhaps I gave him a mean stare unconsciously because he addresses me by my first name rather emphatically after scanning my discount card. Who does that? I go outside, laugh, and drink a coconut water. I expect this sh*t in nightclubs, but not in the food store…

Anyway, few days later I go back to try again. She’s not there unfortunately and I get a different cashier alone. I try to tell myself the same rules apply, though. This one is kinda alright, she’s cute, but not a real 100% WB like the other one. I guess she’s a 6 in the harsh fluorescent lighting. I have good eye contact and chat with her a bit. I’ve actually caught her eyeing me before when I was in there. She’s friendly but a bit too “spacey” maybe. Hippy chick I guess. Has a nose ring. and I don’t know, I’m just not feeling that inner desire to push forward for some reason and I hesitate. Still, she asks “Is there anything else I can help you with today?” after I’ve paid and I KNOW this is the perfect time to say “you can give me your phone number” but I chicken out and don’t do it.

Immediately afterwards I’m also mad at myself for being indecisive and doing that. Ugh. To redeem myself I decide to go to a nearby coffee shop and do approaches there. I grab a coffee and see what looks to be an empty table in between a cute girl studying some papers and a guy typing away on his laptop. There’s some cardboard on the table but no one around so I just sit there. Turns out a girl who works at the shop was using the table to put together some cardboard window displays and temporarily walked away. When she comes back, she asks if she can still use the table and I say sure. She’s actually really cute but also really young (prob about 19 or 20). I open with some chit chat about what she’s doing, how she likes her work there, is she a student, etc. She’s having some trouble figuring out how to put the display thing together. Instead of offering to help (which is what my old “nice guy” self would have done), I tease her in a good-natured way and say “its a good thing your job isn’t assembling cars” or something similar to that. Gets a laugh. Anything to keep the convo going, basically. At this point I’m just testing/strengthening my ability to ramble for my own amusement. The conversation vibe is pretty neutral throughout (she does ask me about my job and she mention her boyfriend at one point, classically) and after about 10 minutes she finishes up and goes away. Well, now I have a chance to open the first girl.

The girl on my left is cute, slim, dirty blonde to light brown hair, late 20’s I think and for me WB (all that matters). I ask what she’s studying for. She gives receptive eye contact and it turns out it’s for a financial certification. Whatever the answer, my goal is to just try to weave a thread around it, as Roosh suggests.

Now Roosh talks about the importance of "rambling", but I don't think he really goes into exactly HOW to ramble in his Day Bang book. Well, I found a great method for this in some of the videos from those London Daygame guys. There’s a guy named “Johnny Matrix” who has some good tips on this. Basically it’s this simple process: Whatever someone says to you, you make a statement about it. Then ask a related question. That’s it. Repeat. I think that’s all you need to ramble. I think you can keep conversations going almost indefinitely this way. If you ever run out of anything to think of and the conversation is in danger of petering out, you can almost always say the generic line, “Well that’s interesting, how did you get into that?” That last one I actually picked up from Elliot Hulse. It’s simple to remember, too. The other thing I’ll throw in from time to time to make the conversation fun is the “skeptical parroting” method. That’s when you repeat something back to the other person in a slightly sarcastic but good-natured way which emphasizes something a bit silly about it. It calls out something that's kind of absurd. This usually makes them qualify themselves and laugh about it.

We have a good conversation on various topics (I can tell she’s enjoying the attention) this way. At one point she asks about my job, which she had overheard me mentioning to the other girl. It goes on for about 10 minutes before she mentions her HUSBAND. Haha. I’m bummed to be honest but I act indifferent, like I didn’t even hear it, and just plow ahead and we keep talking. Turns out she went to a highly conservative religious university in the south so I ask/tease/assume things about that and the social life there. She knows what I’m hinting at and smiles. Things stay positive and friendly. I never volunteer anything about myself unless she asks. I keep my body turned away even while facing her. She asks if I went to college. I say yes and tell her where (it’s a top 10 U.S. school but I make sure to not sound like I’m tying to impress. It’s just matter-of-fact. As Roosh says it’s better to let these kind of things be uncovered than reveal them deliberately yourself.) She says, “Oh so after school you came back here…”

At one point I do nearly trip myself up. I ask if she shops in any of the stores. There’s a pet store and it turns out she has a dog. She asks if I like dogs or cats (classic, where have I heard this before?). Not thinking I say I like both (lame answer) but then admit I’m more of a cat person. She asks if I have any (I say yes) and how many. I actually do own a cat and I guess I was insecure about that fact, thinking it doesn’t sound terribly good/masculine for a guy to own a cat. No way around it - it doesn’t. (This is a classic example where I accidentally got out of the moment, and went analytical on myself, while in conversation- bad move.) Because I paused for a moment and said “uhhhhh…” while hesitating before answering “one”, she teased me. I got out of it by saying there was an overlap of years in my pets’ lives. I guess it didn’t matter that late in the conversation anyway, as things were going well all along. BTW, next time I get this question I think I will say something like “I have ten cats. In the winter I like to curl up on the couch with them and watch Twilight movies.” Or something like that. We talked for 20 minutes plus and I asked her for a card (ostensibly for business purposes). She gave me her email. She asked me some other questions throughout like where I live and my name, stuff like that. I really didn’t care about the outcome but it was fun all the same. I could tell she enjoyed it.

After she left another girl came and took her seat. I opened with “Is that a good laptop?” Hahaha… Such a stupid question, but it works. After I got a closer look at her face she was a WNB. Very light blonde, a college student, but kind of chubby, and weird teeth. Kept it up for about 10 minutes just for the heck of it before ejecting myself and getting on with my day.

Lesson learned: Direct takes more balls than indirect. With indirect you can just call it “practicing conversational skills” if you want. Then you just see where it goes. With direct you really have to have your intentions all aligned 100% and go in guns blazing. Guess I'll need to work on that.