Post: #3176

^Where are you that you can find 20 girls worth approaching in 3 hours? Damn, I biked around for 3 hours today and got in two approaches! Location, location.

Earlier this week I got a number from an underage girl who didn't tell me her age and then her mom texted me which threw me off so I've been more conservative than I otherwise might be.

Biking, saw a couple cute coeds coming at me, stopped 15 ft in front of them, solid eye contact (behind mirrored glasses) "Hey, you guys are gorgeous. Spring break just starting or just ending for you?"
"Just ending" they kept walking by, cuter girl smiled and wanted to stop but her friend didn't slow
"Stop, don't walk out of my life forever!"
Cute one turned and gave a full genuine laugh but they kept going.

On the beach saw an early 20s girl half-covered in sand (mermaid) and sand castle with a trashed high heel (clearly pulled from the ocean) in front with her friend beside her, stopped in front of them "Wow, that's pretty good, you guys are getting into it. What's this thing?"
"ha, thanks, that's our sandcastle"
"What's with the heel, you guys danced so hard last night you broke your shoes and decided to put the to use any way you can?"
Talked for a bit, dropped bait about going to play frisbee with my friends further down the beach and invited them, got a number. Was texting and plans to meet up but then the girl I've been seeing down here hit me up and I met up with her and ghosted the other one, think I lost it.

Post: #3177

Gorgiass, I live in an upper tier II city and with tons of beautiful women. You can easily do 100 approaches an hour in the downtown core.

Did an hr today in the DT core. Wasn't feeling it because I did so many yesterday and felt a bit burned out. Sucked it up and approached. Only 2 went decently well. Quite a bit of internal AA at the beginning.

Approach 1: Said excuse me to a 7/10 blond. Mid 20s. Looked relatively normal but dressed decently well. She did not look receptive. Maybe it was in my head. But I ejected and said never mind.

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Approach 2: 7.5/10 small asian girl. Looked like a party girl because of her nails. Tons of makeup but in workout clothes. Standard opener. She was friendly but said she had a bf and told me thanks.

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Approach 3: 6/10 asian girl. Did not look like a party girl. Early 20s. Can tell she would be gf type material:

Standard opener. She was friendly.

She told me she was shopping. I told her I had an hr to kill and was walking around the city because it's finally a nice day (I commented on the weather again later but I'm sure it was fine).

She told me she was in the library reading. I cold read her and said she must be into non fiction. She said she was reading something about fashion. I commented on how she likes to expand her mind. She she said she studies psych. She asked me what I do. I told her to guess and she'd never be able to.

She then said accountant or something. I pretended to leave and then jokingly said she should list off a bunch of stereotypical asian jobs. I also then teased and said she should guess a bunch of asian names. Gave her a light touch on the elbow.

I asked her if she was busy. She said kind of because she was going home. I said: "that's not busy! how do you feel about going for a coffee with me right now?"

She hesitated then said no thanks. I said that's cool.

Connection: 2.75/5. A bit more than lukewarm but not a lot. She was there and didn't seem like she wanted to leave.

Convo fun/flirty:/b] 3/5. Not bad. Got some push-pull in. Need to be working on that but I tend to do that okay (if anything I often push too much). Need to do more emotional spikes.

[b]Notes: I wonder if I could have gotten her for a coffee if I built more comfort. She seemed fine to chat but then was hesitant when I went for the kill. She's also definitely not a party girl that looks like she gets a ton of chad cock so it's weird that she didn't open up to me more because I feel like I'm above her level and we're the same ethnicity.

Maybe for these girls I need to build a lot more comfort before asking to get something in return. They may be shy.


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Approach 4: White girl. 6.5-7/10. Dressed in a flannel coat. Early 20s. Standard opener. Weaker energy. She then said: "uhhh is there is a pick up convention going on? This has happened 3 times in the past 15 min!"

I was shook. I tried to pretend that I didn't know what she was talking about but then I politely ejected.

Notes: I need to get off the main shopping streets of the DT core. There's 2 streets that are infested with PUAs and will only get worse as the weather gets better. It's a waste. I don't care how good your game is, if a girl has been approached 5x by a bunch of dudes, most of whom are socially awkward, she's going to be a no go. Luckily there are a lot of places in the city to game but the downtown core is certainly the best and most convenient.


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Approach 5: some chick from venezuala. Face was terrible. Had to excuse myself.

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Approach 6: Regular (maybe nerdy?) looking girl in her early 20s. Kind of cute but not great. 6/10. This is a set I should have done better on.

Standard opener.

She was very receptive. She was on the phone but then paused or hung up her call.

I was nervous. Rambling on. Tonality was terrible. I find that when my tonality and mindset are good, stuff flows and I don't force it. This time I did. It didn't help that she didn't give me much to work with. Her answers were short but she was in no rush to leave.

Me: "so what are you up to?'

Her; "walking and shopping"

Me: "oh ya? what for?"

Her: "oh just some shoes"

didn't get a lot from her. I commented on her shoes and said they're nice. Our responses were both short, logical. I then asked if stores are still open now. She said yes. I asked her if she was in a rush (LOOOOL) she said no. She stood squared to me the whole time. I excused myself.


Notes:

this could be a girl where she might be interested but is shy and isn't great at convo. I need to get better. Need to ramble but in a calm manner. More open questions. MORE COLD READING. My god I could have cold read. "Oh, those shoes are very arty. I'm getting a feeling that you're an arty type of person". Something like that. Anything!


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Approach 7: Hot euro chick. 8/10. Mid 20s. Weak approach. She said she was sorry but had to meet her friend.

Maybe more commanding next time?


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Approach 8: 6.5/10 white chick but dresses like a party girl. My height. A bit thicker but in all the right places. 18! Best approach of the day just because of the result, but because of my tonality, presence , mindset. This was a fun set.

Standard opener... then... I noticed her braces.

Me: "wait a sec! your'e not in HS are you?"

she laughed and said no and started to walk away.

Me: "hey hold up!" She stopped.

I asked her what she was up to. She said she just got off work and works at nordstorm and said women's department. I said I love that place and go there all the time. We both laughed because I didn't make it clear that I don't go to the women's section. I said I got my boots there and get them shined all the time.

I asked her how it is working in a large corporate department store. Blah blah blah. I cold read and said she seems like a people person. She said ya obvoiusly she has to be working retail. I said she could be faking it and then be going home and crying herself to sleep all night.

She asked me what I do for work. Eventually I asked her what she was up to. She said she was going home to meet a friend. I said we should go for an adventure and grab a tea over at the starbucks. It seems like she was considering it but then said sorry she really has to meet her friend. I said I should grab her number and then take her on a real adventure.

Then I said "wait a second, you're not even legal age." she told me that she has a fake and showed me. I looked at it and laughed and said it does'nt even look like her. She said it worked all weekend. I then said "wow you're trouble... but kind of cute." PUSH PULL! I asked her about her schedule. She told me and said maybe thurs/fri works for her. I said probably weekend is best for me but I'll contact her.

She asked for my age. I told her to guess and that asians are the same 15-55. She guessed 23 and was shocked that I said early 30s. Got her number. Texted. Zero reply.

Connection: 3.75/5

Convo fun/flirty: 3.75-4/5

Notes:

Slightly surprised that she didn't reply. Maybe the age difference, maybe I'm not her type but that was a good set. Cold read, push pulled, joked around, good presence, tonality. Although I shouldn't be surprised because this dry spell has just been retarded with no end in sight.


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Approach 9:

Decided to switch things up and do a 2 set. 1 white chick about 6.5/10, the other asian chick 6/10. The asian chick asked me if this is game. I said "game? as in video cameras? ya there's one on the rooftop"

She said "oh no, it's happening in _______ (a different city). it's becoming popular" and they walked off. The white chick seemed some what interested.

Notes:

Need to get the hell away from this area for the majority of my gaming. And not to go off on a tangent too much but I certainly appreciate a woman being annoyed if she is constantly getting spam approached but on the flip side, to be annoyed at the idea of men approaching is hilarious. So guys should just give up and then the chads can just line up on tinder and the women can offer their holes to them. Women are just too spoiled.


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Odds and ends:

- 20 approaches a day may be too much. Fewer a day but more consistency is probably better. But I do take about 3 or so to get warmed up.

- Need to get out of those two streets. I understand that other guys are also fighting to improve but this is stupid and will only get worse. I wouldn't be surprised if there are as many as 20 guys running sets on those 2 streets during peak hours in the summer. I even saw one of the heavy hitting pick up coaches in this city doing bootcamps with 2 guys. Probably better to also game during my daily errands. Probably even better to try to join an intramural league or infiltrate some social activities and try to be a normal cool guy. Cold approaches are tough with low success rate.

- The numbers from yesterday...

- The girl with the nice heels. She responded but basically politely kept turning me down with "I'm too busy" when I tried to meet. I persisted a bit without being needy but no dice.

- No dice from the slutty looking redhead english girl.

- Mild to moderate lead with the girl with whom I share mutual contacts. I tried to incorporate the idea of "social capital" from RSD Todd and basically chatted with her a bit over the text before going for the kill. I think this is the play for weary girls. She shit tested me and said: "hahah I'll see. I don't go out easily with people"

I said "Ha! A misanthrope." and told her I have a busy week coming up but I'll message her end of the week and see where she's at. Best play I've done with texting. I'm a terrible texter but this seemed to diffuse her by withdrawing a bit back.

She said: "LOL slightly. Ya sure why not" and asked me why I'm busy. WE exchanged a few more texts and asked if I had snapchat. I said I don't have it so "we'll have to connect the good old fashioned way of texting lol."

She said that's fine. I told her tty so and good night.

I think this is important. Unless the girl is super eager, maybe the best way is to try to connect just a tad to disarm her, give her good feelings that you're not crazy and then ask for a meet without being too needy.


- The retarded streak continues but gotta keep fighting. At least my BJJ is improving

Post: #3178

Two from today. Didn't feel great. Couldn't sleep. Was able to get out of work stuff early so I went to a shopping centre to get chipotle. I dressed well.

Approach 1: Late 20s white chick. Standard. Didn't seem overtly like a party girl just looked like a basic white chick. 6-6.5/10 but a thick layer of make up. We made eye contact as I was walking by and I immediately did my standard opener. She was receptive.

She was holding a lottery ticket and I lightly teased her about it. She said she was just on a small trip a few hrs away and for some reason she thinks she has a better chance to win when she's farther away. She was going to cash her $5.

We talked about a few different things. What we did for school, her recent trip to go skiing with a bunch of friends. She said she booked the day off because she knew it'd be a big trip. I lightly teased her about skipping work to go party. I cold read her and said:

me: "hmmm you seem like a people person."

her: "ya I am"

Me: "are you in some sort of marketing?"

she said not really. Then she told me she studied psychology in university but she isn't really doing something related to the field. I guessed HR and was correct.

We said a few more things. The convo actually flowed well. I didn't feel like I needed to pepper her with questions. I was calm, had a good presence, teased a bit, laughed a bit. Turns out she probably was a party girl and road the carousal. Can tell with the amount of makeup but she said she's 28 now but used to party but not anymore because she's old.

Eventually I said: "I need to go grab a bite to eat. But I'd like to continue our convo..."

She said: "would you like my number?"

Me: "ya that would make sense eh?"

I didn't opt for an instadate people she was meeting her friend for coffee soon and I was wanting to eat.

I'm going to give a new rating just so I can see if my actions and intuition are correct and for record keeping. It'll be a "man factor." Just how posed, masculine, and how strong my eye contact was, etc.

Man factor: 3.75/5

Connection: 3/5. No crazy connection. She asked me one or two questions but not a lot. Convo flowed though. Interestingly, I'm pretty good at reading initial reactions and body language. For the first half of the approach, her feet were slightly angled away. As the convo kept going and I kept pushing through, she moved squared to me.

fun/flirty factor: 2.75/5. Nothing great. Just a normal conversation that flowed easily. Didn't lead towards any sexualization or anything. I'm still weary of doing this in the middle of the day. I'll need to learn the art of doing this at the right time, with the right person, and not making it egregious.

Notes:

I thought that there would be a decent (but not strong) chance that something would arise. She's 28, I think I'm good looking enough, style is good, the approach was good enough. But alas, no reply.


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Approach 2:

Early 20's white chick. 6.5/10. Probably just as good looking as the prevoius one but isn't dolled up. Seems quite.

Standard opener. She blushed, kind of snorted, was nervous. Said thanks but said she would keep walking.

I wonder if I should have pressed harder for her to stop.


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On another note, I made a restart text to the Irish chick with whom I had that date with that I mentioned previously. It's been about a month.

I was surprised she replied at all.

Me: "So I was walking around downtown yesterday and saw all the Celtic festivities which then made me wonder why you weren't playing in the bands "

She sent me a picture of her outside of work dressed in an irish outfit.

Her: "Sorry, was at work since 2. Couldn't play in the bands because I had to work, I did dress up though..."

Me: "Oh that's awesome. I was only joking about playing in the band but you surprise me yet again . Would you play this instrument:"

*I sent her a pic of a shillelagh*

her: "what instrument? "

Me: "What? You're telling me a shillelagh isn't for irish music?"

Her: "I have no idea what that thing is *hiding monkey face"

me: "haha . how have you been?"

her: "been pretty good. Working non stop. think I had 3 days off in the last month. how about you?"

I told her I've been busy too but my work stuff is about to end soon then...

me: "I'm thinking about celebrating (the end of it) with some gelato next weekend. you want to join me?"

her: "sure. I'll hit you up when I get my schedule "

her: "oh shoot! I just realized next weekend is my birthday so thats kind of booked up! But I'm sure we can make something work"

Me: "oh that sounds exciting and troublesome! Ya for sure. We'll figure something out. Connect later this week. Night."


Notes:

- lol wtf. is this normal behaviour for a girl? Have a good date where we connect like crazy. Make out like crazy then she ghosts. But then responds after I restart a month later?

- I'm not going to hold my breath because this is a low % play and I just have been beaten down with no success. I fully expect her not to message me with her schedule so I'll wait until the weekend to text happy birthday. Then I'm sure she'll respond. I'll wait a few days before trying to set something up again.

- I really think that doing this chill, banter a little bit before going for the meet is necessary. Just going straight to: "OH HAI LET'S MEET UP" seems like scare off these chicks unless they're super into you.

General notes:

- Sounds like a broken record now. I'm not sure why the hell I'm struggling so much or where I need to improve. I got RSD Todd's daygame (and will study that once my work schedule clears up). But I've watched a few hotseat things and to be honest, my good sets are comparable to his decent sets. At the very least, being well dressed, in shape (not jacked), not ugly and being able to have a decently fun convo should lead me at least somewhere! But it's not. I wonder if I'm cursed or if I'm paying for my past sins. Or maybe there's just some intangible about me that makes me repulsive to women.

Is it possible to just go on a downswing for no reason?

Gotta keep pushing though.

Post: #3179

The late 20's white chick responded to my text and actually engaged in convo. However, her response times were basically 24 hrs.









Notes:

- It seems that it's never good when girls take that long to respond even if they engage in convo.

- Apparently girls will engage in convo for some reason when they have no intention of seeing you again.

- Messages could have been shorter but I don't think it was terrible.


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odds and ends:

- I haven't put the latest batch of approaches in my spreadsheet yet but I think I've hit around 80 approaches. I'll do a breakdown of how many approaches went "well" etc but just off the top of my head, I had 1 instadate, 1 number that lead to a date, and a handful of numbers that either didn't reply or went no where. I only had a few outright blow outs. Given the 80 or so approaches, the results are not good but 80 is a small sample size.

- New mindset approach to this whole thing: I've mentioned multiple times that I've been stuck in this baffling rut and that it really shouldn't be this difficult and I should at least have better than the zero success I'm having now.

I won't be mentioned these things anymore. What is it that I'm looking for when I'm mentioning these things? Even though I believe that my assessments are accurate, it isn't NOT helpful and doesn't change the reality of the situation. I'm not going to say that I'll start becoming deluded but in essence, the complaining only puts me in a negative frame of mind, making my mind cling onto these thoughts and emotions even more making me worse off. The thoughts will still be there but by not putting them down, I can hopefully better accept them and let them pass.

- I'll need to do a total of 500 or so approaches before I can start taking an objective look at the trends and perhaps look for other possible solutions.

The biggest fear in this is staring at the potential that your best just isn't good enough and that there's something about you that is defective but you don't know what it is and you don't know how to fix it. But there's one outcome that is even worse: having regrets from not trying at all. This will be what keeps me pushing forward.

Post: #3180

A. I followed a young looking girl with who looked like might be her mom, into a fast food restaurant, in Manila during the day time. I just walked up to the girl and said hi. She said I'm kind of busy. I am totally ignoring what I assume might be her Mom or Aunt. So, I say, yeah I know you're busy can I just get your number and hand her my phone. And then I ask for her name and leave. The girl looks around 18-21 y.o. As a guess, but could have easily been under that. The point was just ignoring the older unattractive one, and totally focusing on the young hotter one seemed to work well for me that time.

B. I saw a girl that looked around 18 or 19 at the mall. I am around 40 y.o. This is in Phil’s. I hesitated cause I was afraid she could be under 18. She was walking fast so I needed to be very decisive and act quickly

But I like girls that are in the 18 to 24 yo range. Any tips how to handle the approach in this situation? A lot of these girls are very shy as well. I usually start off and ask their age if they look young like that. It's fucking awkward to run after some girl in a mall and you find out she's under age. She might be 15 or 19 or 21 it's hard to tell sometimes! I see no other option than to ask their age in that spot up front?
Cheers mates!

Post: #3181

(12-15-2016 08:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-25-2016 03:51 AM)Mufasa Wrote:  

I'm having so much fun with this "impractical jokers" game !

I'm basically trolling the whole fucking world! Anything I see that catches my attention, I comment on it! I'm talking to everyone about everything!

Ive reached a new level of social freedom and expression. Its a lot of fun and feels very freeing.

It's an extension of my "Be the First to Speak" concept but amplified and magnified to a more macro level.

BEFORE: "be the first to speak when I enter a social environment"

AFTER: "be the first to speak all day, everyday, to everyone, about everything"

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All these years of approaching has greatly increased my social confidence.

But, I have NOT taking advantage of it nearly as well as I could be!!!

My conversation has been too boring and basic.

My outer game is not on par with my inner game. Admittedly, I have spent lots more time on my inner game (fear/anxiety removal, confidence, swag) than my outer game (game theory, conversational tactics)

This "impractical jokers" show has inspired me to have more fun and be more bold. That's when I'm at my best!

Example:

Jogging through the downtown area at rush hour.. I wear stylish athletic clothes so that I visually communicate class and success.. I do workout hard.. I'm not big but I'm strong and fit.. I lift weights just before the jog so that I look as muscular as possible..

I scan for eye contact and inquisitive looks, if I sense that a girl is eyeballing me, I jog over to her and open her..

Recently, I spotted a sexy, athletic, white girl with a black girls body.. She walked passed me and we looked at each other.. I turned and jogged in front of her and sort of smiled at her...

her: whats up
me: you're sexy as fuck

She seemed to like it Gave a big, flirtatious smile..

her: hehehehe
me: what are you doing out here?
her: just leaving work
me: fashion industry?
her: umm ya how'd you know?
me: I'm psychic
her: hahahaha

We chatted for a minute.

me: put your number in my phone, I'll text u later
her: okay

We went to a little fashion show together the very next day! She had friends there and we didn't leave together.. Hopefully, next time!

I know that the reason she gave me a chance was because of how boldly aggressive I was in the initial approach.

I wish I had more examples but..

I no longer remember my approaches?!?!?

In the past, I could recall all my conversations with women almost verbatim! RVF members were amazed at my detailed memory.

Now, I can't remember them! I don't really care to.. I think I'm operating less from my logical brain and more from my artistic/animalistic brain?!?!? Something along those lines..

"Alongside" approaching vs.Getting in FRONT of her and STOPPING her

For the past few years, since I relied largely on cold, street approaches.. I liked casually getting along side a girl and opening her as we walked together in the same direction...

Now, I'm more likely to actually hold my hand out and stop her. It's more emotional for her, gets her to invest more, etc.

I think it is a better move for me at this point.

Walking alongside enables her to casually dismiss me into the sea of people. Stopping her forces her imagine us really consider my proposal!

(Credit: Krauser from LondonPUA preached this years ago)

Same day lays

I'm going to start seeking a same day lay. That is the vibe that feels most powerful to me right now.

I haven't been strategic or aggressive enough about trying to do that.

I will try to remember the good approaches!

Hey Gio , how are you doing nowdays? You stopped posting your approches recently. How are your doing?

Post: #3182

(03-23-2017 06:18 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  The late 20's white chick responded to my text and actually engaged in convo. However, her response times were basically 24 hrs.
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The biggest fear in this is staring at the potential that your best just isn't good enough and that there's something about you that is defective but you don't know what it is and you don't know how to fix it. But there's one outcome that is even worse: having regrets from not trying at all. This will be what keeps me pushing forward.

Good attitude and congrats on the cold approach close, that's more than 99% of guys will ever achieve.

I've never gotten that response from a cold approach lead, and reading the exchange have a few pointers. You want to talk at a girl's class level generally - a chick buying lotto tickets is making poor financial decisions and probably lower class, I would avoid words like parlay and proper grammar with a girl like this. These, more than others, are the girls who get tingles for bad boys.

Keep things fun and keep her on her toes. I just posted an exchange from earlier tonight in this thread /thread-6078-...pid1536024 and you can see just on that page I have texts joking about killing my date's fetus with a coathanger, shocking puppies with cattle prods, and more. Obviously I don't do this all the time and you don't have to go so extreme, but to give a more typical, tamer exchange you could open with

"Hey it's Gorgiass. Did the clerk have enough loot to pay out your massive jackpot from the second tix or did she have to call in the money truck?" Not hilarious but I'm making an obviously untrue assumption which is going to make her smile and make her want to engage.

Follow up - "You didn't win?! How am I going to retire on the beach at 28 without a sugar momma? I'm not sure this is going to work between us"

Your final exchange has an attempt at rapport over procrastination (too much pull, no push), although at jui jitsu, a hobby for responsible, middle class men, not the bad boy a girl buying lotto tickets is likely to spring for.

Emoji's/emoticons at the end of a sentence are generally softeners or an attempt at rapport. Use sparingly and with careful thought as to how what you're saying could actually be perceived.

Not to say it's a terrible exchange, probably better than half the guys in the country would do, it just didn't have anything in it to convince a girl who was on the fence to continue to engage and commit to meet to you. Been there myself - keep at it, practice makes better!

Post: #3183

Gorgiass,

Thank you for your extremely helpful response. How you would have done things is clearly much better than mine and kept a funner vibe. Also, good read on this type of girl and how I should proceed next time. I'll check out some of your posts in the memorable texts thread as well.

It's still a learning process for me because I tend to go to either extreme too often. I can often be too sarcastic and give too much push which can be off putting to some. Still figuring out how to do the proper balance and getting a better feel for which type of girl responds to how much push/pull.

Post: #3184

I posted this in the what to text next thread but thought I'd update before updating on my approaches this weekend.

Quote:The back story is that it turns out she works with one of my close friends.

So a day after our interaction/texting, I was in a different city at a mall getting some food after class. My friend talked to her and it turns out she saw me hitting on a girl at the mall! Just terrible luck. I texted her today:

Me: Well that exam is over and done with. How was your week?

Her: Just got off work.

I saw you at (the mall) hitting on another girl too LOOOOOOL

Me: Ah ya. (my friend) told me lol. I'd say I'm old fashioned and prefer to try to meet someone in person rather than tinder.

Her: LOOOLLL

Me: That's a pretty awesome coincidence. I went to chiptole after class and I thought I saw you too.

Her: LOL where did you see me

Me: I think right after I talked to that girl briefly and was heading to my car

I thought it was you but it was too much of a coincidence. Maybe the gods are saying we should go for coffee

Her: hahahah meh. HOw was your exam

Me: It went well. Ppl were freaking out.

Her: nice nice!

Me: You were wearing black pants right?

Her: ya your'e observant

me: wow that's awesome. I'm basically like batman. I'm cracking up right now.

She didn't reply after my last msg. That's a really big coincidence (almost not believable) and terrible luck. My buddy talked to her and told her to give me a shot but she said no dice.

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Did approaches on Saturday. I was meeting a friend for drinks in a hipster area just outside the DT core. Decided to do some approaching. I also did some approaches after him and finished up but more on that later. The approaches prior to meeting him were some of the worst bunch of approaches I've done in terms of girls not being attractive...


1:

Saw an attractive late 20s/early 30s brunette walking into the grocery store as I was walking by. Standard opener. She was delighted but said she was married so she's heavily committed. I laughed and said well I guess that won't work and wished her a good day.

2: late 30s, 5-5.5/10 brunette. Figure looked decent (thicker) from far away but when I walked up and saw her face and color of her teeth, I didn't want to go on any further but stuck it out.

Standard opener

Her: "oh wow thank you... do you do this often?"

Me: "Sometimes. I prefer to meet someone in person rather than tinder"

I asked her what she was up to and she said she was going grocery shopping. I teased and said that sounds like a very exciting Saturday evening. She told me she was going to babysit her friend's kid after.

I then said the most unintentionally funny thing I've ever said:

Me: "Girl or boy?'

Her: "girl"

me: "do you like little girls are little boys more?" (LOOOOOOOOL)

she then said she doesn't have a preference and we crossed the street. She basically said she had to go and I said bye.

Approach strength Difficult to score because approach was moderate but it wasn't a good convo and I just didn't find her attractive.

Connection: 2/5

Convo fun/flirty factor: 1.5/5

Notes:

I seem to be running into the "do you do this a lot" every once and a while. Not sure if this is because I'm approaching well initially and dressing well, if I'm coming off like a "creep" or what. My friend said I should just say "only the cute ones" in response and change topics. I will try this.


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Was walking towards the bar (about a 15 min walk away). Saw this fit looking woman in lululemon tights look me up and down as we walked passed each other. Difficult to score because she was old. Late 30s maybe even 40, blond. I did my standard opener and saw that she looked so old and I lost some interest but kept plowing for experience.

SHe was receptive and we chatted a bit about what she was up to. She was having a quiet night with grocery shopping. I teased about how "fun" that sounds. She said she had a girl's night last night. I said "uh oh, was it a sex in the city type of night?"

We held pretty good eye contact the whole time. She eventually said she had to go. I decided to go for the number close because I'm desperate and she had a nice body. She said she has a bf but she commended me on approaching and told me to "keep at it" because no one approaches each other anymore.

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Approach strength: 3/5 I guess. Was a moderate level approach.

Connection: 2.5/5

Convo fun/flirty: 2.5/5

Notes:

- I'm not sure if the "keep at it" stuff is actually a compliment or if it's a bad thing.


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4: Some feminist looking chubbier girl with dyed? red hair? Not sure why I approached. Was not into it.

I stopped her and said: "hey! I'm liking that red hair of yours and wanted to meet you"

She said thanks but was angled towards me. I said "it seems like your'e in a rush to go" she said she was. I didn't try to stop her because she was not good looking.

Won't be counting this one.

Notes:

The one thing I will take away from this is I'm going to be slightly more "assertive" when chicks say they want to leave. Need to be able them to stop and then start wearing them down with improving game (I started doing this later in the night)

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5: Another dumb approach. Some white chick maybe early 30s. Not great looking. 5.5/10 but when she smiled, I bailed. I did my standard approach and then said "ok have a nice day!"

She commented on how sharp my hair was looking as I was walking away.

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6: finally a decently cute girl. white chick in workout clothes. early 20s, blonde. 6.5/10. I was a block away from the bar and stopped her to ask her where this place is. I then said: "you know what, I gotta be honest. I did need to know where this place is but I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you."

She said she was busy and had to go. I said "I'm sure you have 2 min"

We chatted briefly about her having strep throat. SHe wasn't getting treated for it so I teased her and said: "well, the good thing is, you either get rid of it yourself or you die" she laughed and said she must have her priorities in order. We walked towards the bar and to where she was going.

We were parting ways and I asked her for her number for coffee. I saw the glimpse of hesitation. She then said she's not in a place for dating right now (ie. she doesn't want to date me). I wished her well.

Approach strength 2.5/5 was indirect and fine I guess

Connection: 2.5/5

Convo fun/flirty: 2.5/5

Overall, not a "bad" approach but I need to start being able to start having better connections and make these convos better.


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Night game time!

So I got a drink with my buddy. We then went to another part of the city to grab another drink. We caught up until about 9pm or so and he was going home to hang out with his girl. I told her I'm going to do some night game. I started walking to the DT core where all the main clubs are. It's been a long time since I've hit the pavement to just do night game.

1: Good looking brunette probably late 20s, early 30s in a trench coat. Standard opener. We held our handshake for about 10 seconds.

She was in town for the night for some nutritional supplements women's convention. I joked and said that sounds like serious business.

She said she used to live in this city. I said I haven't been down to the DT core at night for a while and we talked about all the sights and sounds. I asked her about where she lives now (about 5 hours away).

She then said her life is there now with her kids. I then said: "oh so you're married?" She said yes. I said "oh I suppose I"m flirting with a married woman."

After a min or two, she said it was nice talking to me but she had to go back to her hotel because she's exhausted.

Approach strength: at least 3/5. Was pretty good and strong.

Connection: Can't really tell. At least a 2.5/5

Convo fun/flirty 2.5/5. Was just a regular convo. I need to start being able to ramp it up especially when it was evening time.

Notes:

- I wonder if I could have convinced her out for a drink. Not saying that I could have, but probably best not to because she's married with kids and that's just not the type of stuff I want to do if I want to be a decent human being.


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2: Cutish white chick with frizzy crazy hair. 6/10. She walked by, I said: "Hey you! I love your hair. Come here for a sec!

She said she's sorry but she has to go. I said: "two min!" she smiled and said sorry.

Probably could have stopped her. eh.

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3: Blond chick, 6/10 walking on the main street. SHe might have been a bit chubby?

Standard opener. Can't exactly remember what happened but she said she had to go. I said: "hey, two min!" She said she's with her friend and she waved her back. Her east indian female friend came and you know the drill. She started saying the blond was her gf. I said: "oh that sounds exciting."

I asked them what they were up to. EI chick said they were hoping to get into some clubs. I then said: "hmmm you guys are giving me a vibe that you're from.... ________ (a town about 30 min away from the DT core). I was right and they started freaking out. I said "wow I'm damn good at reading people"

They then said they had to go.

Not going to rate this. Just screwing around.


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4: I looked to my right and two post wall blond chicks were loud and obnxious. One was fat. The non fat one had pink dyed long hair. I looked over and said: "Wow that's very pink. I'm liking it"

she decided to sass me immediately: "YA IT'S PINK? SO WHAT?"

I brushed off her sass: "Ya, I love it."

She was friendly after that.

She asked me what I had in my cup of coffee and I said coffee because I had to buy it to use the washroom. She said that if it was something else, she would take a sip of it. I said no way, I'm a boyscout. She asked me what that meant if it was the girlscout type stuff. I told her it meant that I'm innocent. I was hoping to use this and then screw around to escalate quickly. They then told me they were a part of a staggette. And were going to go to one of the most popular clubs in the city.

We were right outside the club and she started taking a call from one of the promoters or something and said she had to go. I told her that she's staying and we're chatting. She then took the call quickly then said she has to go inside but invited me to hang out with them.

The bouncer let me in for free and then she said she'd see me in there... I walked in did a tour around (I've been here many times years back). I didn't want to have a degenerate night so I opted to bail early. I don't regret this decision.

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5: Very attractive dirty blond german girl in late 20s probably. Some crows feet, likely to hit the wall soon. She was ahead of me. In torn jeans, nike runners.

I stopped her and she was started. Then I did my standard opener and she dropped her guard.

- I asked her if she had an accent. She said yes. I coldn't tell what it was and she asked me to guess. I told her to keep talking because I can't tell. Guessed wrong twice. Shes' german. I told her I was really surprised.
- Asked her what she was up to. She said she was using her gsp to find a friend's house.
- She's traveling for study holistic nutrition here. I asked her if she's a wanderlust type of girl.
- She asked me what I do for work.
- She was talking about not being high maintenance like other girls. I said: "ya, I saw the runners and I said that I had to talk to this girl... But i'm not sure about the torn jeans though."
- I jokingly asked her if I seem high maintenance. She said that she doesn't know because I'm dress very fancy. I said this is just normal attire (I dress well but wasn't overly dressed up)

She eventually said she had to go to her friend's place. they were drinking wine. She let it slip that it's a he. She was probably getting banged by some guy. I asked her for her number for coffee. I think I sensed that damn hesitation again. She gave me her number and I said I'll text her and we'll go from there.

Texted today, nada.

Approach strength: 2.75/5

Connection: 2.75/5

We had laser eye contact with each other the whole time and I only applied a slight bit of kino on the elbow once. Not a crazy connection or anything.

convo fun/flirty: 2.75/5

Only because it was a slightly better than avg convo I guess.


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Overall notes:

- Not sure if it's a good or a bad thing when chicks are asking me if I've done this before.

- The ones who tell me to keep doing it and good for me, is that a good thing?

- I'm going to start strongly considering somehow incorporating Roosh's indirect approaching along with direct. I'm interested to see if that will disarm these chicks better and I don't come off as a guy that does it all the time and it may seem more organic. The trick is to somehow segue the indirect somehow her thinking that I'm a guy she wants to fuck.

- I will be looking to do some activities where I can get in "warm" approaches. This online dating crap and our culture has made that swiping is normalized but meeting a chick in person in real life is "weird." Social circle stuff will help with this. I'll be looking to get in on some meetups where they do social events or whatever. I'm assuming there'll be a lot of beta slubs there and if I'm just a normal, cool guy (who dresses well) and has good convo skills, I should be able to snag some of these girls. The difficulty is being able to fit everything in: lifting, jits, work, learning game, doing game, events to meet chicks.

I'll also look to get some pro shots done in the next month for online dating. I'm not sure if this will help being asian and all but I need to exhaust all options. I'll do 2 with me dressed well in some sort of cool setting, and I'll need to get some sort of shirtless shot done on the beach or something just to show that I have a nice physique. I've looked at some of the popular men's IG accounts and have gotten some ideas on how to do this much more tastefully and acceptable than a shirtless selfie.

- I'll be putting in time with RSD Todd's Daygame.

- My success rate is not good. Only thing I can do is just keep plugging away and get my game to the level where I can overcome whatever it is that's giving me such a difficult time. Study theory 20%, action 80%.

Also need to keep this in perspective here. My original goal was to just build some momentum until my work stuff dies down next month so that objective is being met. I also need to consider that if my success rate is 1/15, then having an extended cold street within a sample of 100 is very well within the meat of the norm distribution. Must keep plugging.

Post: #3185

There is this girl in the building next to mine. I only ever see her when she is walking her dog and i'm walking mine or passing by, usually coming back from or going to the gym. Around 2 years ago i had the opportunity to approach her and i didn't because i was in a hurry, which caused her to be bitter toward me because it felt like i wasn't interested. Every time i saw her she would be extra cold and formal. I wanted to approach her, but her coldness stopped me.

For some reason, i saw her less and less and less over time. I even thought she moved somewhere else. However, though, tonight i was coming back from the gym and i saw her for the first time this year. It was only me and her on this sidewalk and we were going in the same direction. When i realized that it was her, i decided to approach her there. i gwot an extra motivation when i saw that she stopped right at the spot when i would turn to reach my building, instead of following the sidewalk and going in a direction where i wouldn't bump into her.

For some reason though, maybe because i didn't think the approach through in the 10 seconds i had to make up my mind, maybe because i'm too much of a beginner, i went straight for the phone number. I said "hey, hi, i just wanted to say that i find you very cute, can i get your number?"

She said yes to me and gave me her number but, of course, going straight for the phone number is an ultimatum on a girl and it creates an uncomfortable situation. We still vibed a little bit and exchanged some laughs, etc. The chemistry between us is great, clearly.

Still though, when i was leaving i noticed that she was a bit too far away from me, more than normal, and here in Brazil men to women say goodbye with a kiss on the cheek usually, or even a one-arm hug. She was too nervous to do that so i didn't force anything.

When i came back to my apartment i texted her almost right away, after some 5 minutes. I just opened with a "hey ", followed with "now you got my number too" and talked a little bit.

The situation was still uncomfortable so i told her i was busy (which i truly was) and that we would talk later, hoping that tomorrow things will be more comfortable.

I digged myself into a hole and now i have to crawl out of it. Instead of talking to her right there and making the relationship more solid, specially given that she was walking her dog, i created this fucked up, uncomfortable situation where i will have to deal with flakyness and shit tests.

Girl rate: 8
Age: 18 to 21, max. I'm 24.
Chemistry: very good and it seems that we have a lot in common.
Bonus: She lives in the building right next to mine and i feel that i'm too valuable for her to give me up easily.
Setback: I went straight for the number because i didn't think it through, because i'm a beginner in game and because we had already seen each other a few times and i knew about her attraction to me. Now i will have to deal with shit tests and flakyness.

Post: #3186

(03-27-2017 10:19 PM)jabberbabewocky Wrote:  There is this girl in the building next to mine. I only ever see her when she is walking her dog and i'm walking mine or passing by, usually coming back from or going to the gym. Around 2 years ago i had the opportunity to approach her and i didn't because i was in a hurry, which caused her to be bitter toward me because it felt like i wasn't interested. Every time i saw her she would be extra cold and formal. I wanted to approach her, but her coldness stopped me.

For some reason, i saw her less and less and less over time. I even thought she moved somewhere else. However, though, tonight i was coming back from the gym and i saw her for the first time this year. It was only me and her on this sidewalk and we were going in the same direction. When i realized that it was her, i decided to approach her there. i gwot an extra motivation when i saw that she stopped right at the spot when i would turn to reach my building, instead of following the sidewalk and going in a direction where i wouldn't bump into her.

For some reason though, maybe because i didn't think the approach through in the 10 seconds i had to make up my mind, maybe because i'm too much of a beginner, i went straight for the phone number. I said "hey, hi, i just wanted to say that i find you very cute, can i get your number?"

She said yes to me and gave me her number but, of course, going straight for the phone number is an ultimatum on a girl and it creates an uncomfortable situation. We still vibed a little bit and exchanged some laughs, etc. The chemistry between us is great, clearly.

Still though, when i was leaving i noticed that she was a bit too far away from me, more than normal, and here in Brazil men to women say goodbye with a kiss on the cheek usually, or even a one-arm hug. She was too nervous to do that so i didn't force anything.

When i came back to my apartment i texted her almost right away, after some 5 minutes. I just opened with a "hey ", followed with "now you got my number too" and talked a little bit.

The situation was still uncomfortable so i told her i was busy (which i truly was) and that we would talk later, hoping that tomorrow things will be more comfortable.

I digged myself into a hole and now i have to crawl out of it. Instead of talking to her right there and making the relationship more solid, specially given that she was walking her dog, i created this fucked up, uncomfortable situation where i will have to deal with flakyness and shit tests.

Girl rate: 8
Age: 18 to 21, max. I'm 24.
Chemistry: very good and it seems that we have a lot in common.
Bonus: She lives in the building right next to mine and i feel that i'm too valuable for her to give me up easily.
Setback: I went straight for the number because i didn't think it through, because i'm a beginner in game and because we had already seen each other a few times and i knew about her attraction to me. Now i will have to deal with shit tests and flakyness.

I say this as a noob, but man, go to sleep and then look over what you posted the next day. You are absurdly over analyzing every little, inconsequential detail and making way too many assumptions.

Post: #3187

Just one today:

Was on a campus for work related stuff. Have tried no fap/porn again and on day 3 and I'm already feeling like I'm going to explode and in the mindset of being on the hunt.

Saw a cute white chick with a nose ring smoking. I left my group of colleagues and said I'd join them later. Walked straight to her:

Me: Excuse me

Her: *smiles* "what a sec, you're not with the fucking (a student group) are you?"

Me: "oh no. I thought you were cute and wanted to say hi."

Her: "oh hi there!"

asked her for her name. I asked her what she studies. She asked me what I'm doing. I said to her "Wait a second! Were you smoking???"

Her: "ya i was..."

Me: "oh man. and here I was thinking you looked all innocent but you're probably trouble"

Her: *smirks* "looks can be deceiving"

We said a few other things. I told her I had to go but wanted to grab her number for a coffee. She said sorry but she's has a bf. I told her: "oh well that's not going to work eh?" Wished her well.

Approach Strength: 3.25/5

Just have laser like focus and aggression with the no fap.

Connection: 2.5-2.75/5. She was warm but nothing crazy.

Convo fun/flirty: going to say 2.75/5 only because I did some push pull. Need to do this more and make it smoother.


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Started watching some of the Todd Daygame stuff and one of the (many) things holding me back is definitely my frame. I don't believe in stuff like the secret but what you believe in does somehow become your frame of mind and your reality where it's what you attract due to subconscious actions or whatever.

What I'm missing is the internal belief that I'm the shit and that I WILL succeed and get good at game and be able to get the women I want. So many of my approaches have been from the mindset of "well I'm going to do it just to not be a pussy but it probably won't work anyways!" I need to shift from this frame of mind to: "I'm going to do the best I can. Girls are lucky that I'm approaching them and I will eventually break through."

It appears that I have 2 dates coming up this week from Bumble. Both of whom are below my threshold of looks/quality but I'm a hungry man. One with a mid 20's asian girl who isn't very good looking at all (5/10 at best) which I'm just going to do coffee with briefly just to give me an excuse to head to the city to do approaches.

The other is a 38 year old feminist looking possible cum dumpster. Exchanged a few messages on bumble with some push-pull. Got her number. Called her immediately to set up plans. Chatted for about 10 min with some light teasing, some push pull. She then told me that she gets bored easily.

I said: "uh oh. See I knew you were trouble. You're cute but you're one of those impulsive ones eh?" She said she kind of is. Then I joked about her having a coke habit and she laughed.

She told me that her friends say that she should write a book because of how "crazy" her life stories are. I said I'd rather exchange stories in person she agreed. I told her to give me a hint at what it pertains to. She said her love life. She said she flew to the UK during the winter to meet a person for a first date.

Hopefully this goes down and I'll run as tight of game as I can and be just a cool, confident guy and try to weasel my way into her apartment for the "washroom" (Roosh's play) and then drain my balls into her to get this 15 month dry spell off my back.

Post: #3188

We are three months into the new year, and I'm still seeking a first lay this year. Hell, I planned a lay a month - nada!

Here are some recent ones:

I went into Boots, and saw in an isle a plane Jane, though slim and nothing was wrong about her. Easy 6, perhaps a 7 If dressed up and the figure was as expected? Walked past her, commented on her green coat, kept walking. Then reflected, and came back. Girl was from Canary Islands, was wearing librarian's eyeglasses, so teased her about being a librarian and guess what, she was one! Good, 10-15min set, some teasing, some touching, lots of rapport, suggested coffee she seemed keen, took her number. It was a textbook approach, was very pleased with myself. Texted the feeler in the evening, never heard back. Go figure.

Then went into M&S, spotted a very well dressed girl, albeit with too much make-up. You know, this type who is really insecure inside, but tries to project über-confidence. Felt strong, approached. Got shit from her, like never before. She was Kenyan, probably worked in one of those upmarket boutiques for middle aged women spending their husbands/sponsors' hard earned money. Anyway, stood planted at all times, she paid not that much attention, all the time browsing through the microwaved food, dancing around me - from left to the right, walking away, just teasing me to follow her. "Highlights" were when she asked me what I studied. I told, her she just replied "boring", forcing me to qualify. Ignored and stacked. Funny as hell, as I got a degree from a prestigious university, her - one that sits near the bottom of the UK league. Another test was that she asked me my name, said "I'm Arnold", she rebutted "I'll call you Adam". Partially I was enjoying this, partially I was thinking "you little bitch, lol". My reply to her calling me Adam was, straightforwardly "No, if you keep calling me Adam, I'm going to bend you over me knee and spank you hard." She seemed unfazed about. Then she said she had to get her car from the parking. And that was pretty much it.

Another day had a weak day, wouldn't get a single eye-contact, then late evening, a slim brunette ahead of me, she diverted, but seconds later I saw her standing at the traffic lights, half-assed said "you don't look Scottish" and the girl was immediately on. Now, not a very hot girl, but with nice body, decent face, a 7 possibly. This was the strongest set I've ever had - at least, on the surface. Actually, I thought to myself, it was too good to be true. Girls never touch a stranger, at least not in my dg experience, this one touched me incidentally on the forearm, then repeated it in a more pronounced fashion.

She was talking a lot, asking questions, we talked no less than 15-20 minutes, good rapport, though I wasn't really touching her or teasing. Twice, throughout the conversation she said "Why are you looking at me like that?!". I guess I was doing something right. Started to think SDL was in the air, inquired logistics, she said she was going home. Maybe if I'd touch her and push harder, she'd comply, it was around 730pm. At the end, it was her who closed me and whatsapped on the spot. I texted back a couple hours later "Nice meeting you, cute little minx," to which she replied favourably, and I began to think it may be a very fast lay. Then, things immediately slowed down, she would take 12-48h to reply. Anyway, asked her schedule, she said she was going for some time back to Spain in a few days. Asked if she'd like to meet up before. Got a non-committal reply that she'd have a few things to sort out prior and not sure but will let me know. Didn't reply to that and deleted the number.

So there you have it - no rhyme or reason in girls' behaviour. You can have a superstrong set that will fizzle out like Prosecco past the best before date or you can have a weak-ish one that will come out on a date at least.

Post: #3189

(03-23-2017 06:18 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  The late 20's white chick responded to my text and actually engaged in convo. However, her response times were basically 24 hrs.









Notes:

- It seems that it's never good when girls take that long to respond even if they engage in convo.

- Apparently girls will engage in convo for some reason when they have no intention of seeing you again.

- Messages could have been shorter but I don't think it was terrible.

A girl who wants to sleep with you will keep responding much quicker. Usually, they take a couple hours to reply to the feeler to make you think they aren't hoes. The sweet spot is anywhere between 5min-2h. Longer than that and we have a weak 'maybe' girl territory. Past 12h is pretty much dead bar some incident (she lost her phone, forgot to take with her, was admitted to a hospital, suddenly broke up with a boyfriend, etc.) but these cases are very rare.

Girls will milk your attention as long as you provide them with it. Hence, after a few back and forths, you've got to push for the date so you know where you stand. She may derail you, sidetrack with questions, never fall for these traps, acknowledge, then push again.

Your messages are actually, in my opinion, a bit weak - too eager, too invested, of an excited schoolboy. Perhaps the girl was borderline maybe and with strong text game would come out on the date.

I'll only dissect your feeler here and mention the rest. You texted her:

Hey it’s BNM Nice meeting you earlier. Did you end up parlaying your lotto win onto another ticket? ;-)

The idea of a feeler is to ping her only so as to enter her reality and let her decide whether to engage or disengage. Concomitantly, it provides her with your mobile number unless exchanged during interaction. First sentence is ALL you should've messaged. Nothing more. Second sentence way too early is trying to force rapport by aggressively asking her question. Also, you try to impress her with a fancy word which is you qualifying to her. Emoticon spurious. The overall message is "I really, really want you talk to me because girls give out numbers to me so rarely I don't want to pass onto this opportunity." A feeler should be simple, asking no questions, just acknowledgment and perhaps a short referral to something about her. Nothing more. Let's have a look at an example I posted from whatsapp before (compare my exchanges with her to yours):

So this is cute Tokyo girl with a big smile. Nice meeting you today

Time stamp of my message was 22:11, she replied at 23:37. Nice. Within 2h time limit. As you can see, I put her in a box she's cute, and garnish with a compliment. A bit much but I didn't verbalise with her why I talked to her so wanted to make sure to get that across. However, the key thing is no questions asked and no introduction of myself: "Hey this is ksbms, we met at the such and such café." Providing this information shows insecurity that you weren't memorable enough. Believe me, you were. If she gave you out her number with an honest intent, you were. And there you have it. A feeler. A simple, almost off-the-cuff, brief message that makes you enter her reality to let her to decide to engage or not.

However, even though your feeler was over-the-top, she decided to give you a chance and test you with her long-winded reply. You should've just acknowledged briefly: "Ah, that's bad" or "I hear you you", and stack forward. Instead, you completely let her snatch the frame and played to her tune by beating the dead horse of that damn lottery. Also, not only was your reply too long, you ended up asking her if she was a procrastinator. How does that relate to seducing a girl? To much surprise, she still did some leg work for you and inquired about your day. That does not mean she really wanted to hear out all about your day. She just moved the ball in your court and you fucked it up spectacularly. You should've just acknowledged the last bubble, the question with short "Pretty good" or "Had a nice day doing X" and push forward with the date. Instead, you still keep going like a maniac about this fucking procrastination, then you try hard qualifying with jiu jitsu, sprinkle on top an exam, and studying troubles. She didn't care about it (at least, not at that stage), you sounded like a friend who's got too many problems and needs to talk about them. Then, you switch gears, and long-windedly, indirectly try to get her out with too much pressure ('the celebratory drink') and adding 'you should join me' which is really weak. She knew you wanted to fuck her, so you directly arrange a date with a girl, not when 'my exam is done'. Your exam isn't her problem and no girl wants to play a second fiddle to some exam she doesn't care about.

Next time - be brief and to the point. Always focus on the prize, that is arranging a date. First get her commit to the day. Once she accepts the day, specify time. Once she accepts the time, specify place. The last one preferably on the day. Text game is still a game and there's space for improvement there for you, I think. I'd recommend reading Krauser's text game posts, they are great.

Post: #3190

(03-28-2017 07:25 PM)ksbms Wrote:  A girl who wants to sleep with you will keep responding much quicker. Usually, they take a couple hours to reply to the feeler to make you think they aren't hoes. The sweet spot is anywhere between 5min-2h. Longer than that and we have a weak 'maybe' girl territory. Past 12h is pretty much dead bar some incident (she lost her phone, forgot to take with her, was admitted to a hospital, suddenly broke up with a boyfriend, etc.) but these cases are very rare.

Girls will milk your attention as long as you provide them with it. Hence, after a few back and forths, you've got to push for the date so you know where you stand. She may derail you, sidetrack with questions, never fall for these traps, acknowledge, then push again.

Your messages are actually, in my opinion, a bit weak - too eager, too invested, of an excited schoolboy. Perhaps the girl was borderline maybe and with strong text game would come out on the date.

I'll only dissect your feeler here. You texted her:

Hey it’s BNM Nice meeting you earlier. Did you end up parlaying your lotto win onto another ticket? ;-)

The idea of a feeler is to ping her only so as to enter her reality and let her decide whether to engage or disengage. Concomitantly, it provides her with your mobile number unless exchanged during interaction. First sentence is ALL you should've messaged. Nothing more. Second sentence way too early is trying to force rapport by aggressively asking her question. Also, you try to impress her with a fancy word which is you qualifying to her. Emoticon spurious. The overall message is "I really, really want you talk to me because girls give out numbers to me so rarely I don't want to pass onto this opportunity." A feeler should be simple, asking no questions, just acknowledgment and perhaps a short referral to something about her. Nothing more. Let's have a look at an example I posted from whatsapp before (compare my exchanges with her to yours):

So this is cute Tokyo girl with a big smile. Nice meeting you today

Time stamp of my message was 22:11, she replied at 23:37. Nice. Within 2h time limit. As you can see, I put her in a box she's cute, and garnish with a compliment. A bit much but I didn't verbalise with her why I talked to her so wanted to make sure to get that across. However, the key thing is no questions asked and no introduction of myself: "Hey this is ksbms, we met at the such and such café." Providing this information shows insecurity that you weren't memorable enough. Believe me, you were. If she gave you out her number with an honest intent, you were. And there you have it. A feeler. A simple, almost off-the-cuff, brief message that makes you enter her reality to let her to decide to engage or not.

Thanks for the pointers. My text game is definitely weak. It's definitely difficult to get better in. There's so many styles and conflicting ways of doing things that it becomes very difficult to figure out what is the correct way to do things.

From what I can pick up, all the different styles should hit the following points:

- shorter messages
- push-pull
- don't come across as desperate
- make it fun and light

Would you say this is a good summary?

Post: #3191

(03-28-2017 07:53 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Thanks for the pointers. My text game is definitely weak. It's definitely difficult to get better in. There's so many styles and conflicting ways of doing things that it becomes very difficult to figure out what is the correct way to do things.

From what I can pick up, all the different styles should hit the following points:

- shorter messages
- push-pull
- don't come across as desperate
- make it fun and light

Would you say this is a good summary?

I've amended my reply and addressed the remainder of the exchange you had with that girl.

I'm no expert but that seems to be a good heuristic but it really depends on the particulars of the interaction and a girl. But yes, rather err on the side of shortness than length - be a busy man whose time is precious. Push-pull I don't do, can be misinterpreted. As long as a girl plays on your side helping you to arrange a date, just stack forward. Only if she starts to play games, then you give her to taste her own medicine. Making it fun for her over texts? No. You're not a circus, and she didn't pay for the ticket. She didn't earn to be entertained before opening her legs. But yeah, sound light and breezy, perhaps with one or two humorous comments along the way, why not. The more messages exchanged, the bigger chance to fuck up something. And important is to realise, texting and text game are not the same. The latter only to be deployed if a girl plays games. With some girls you can just straightforwardly arrange a date because she's a 'yes' girl, not a 'maybe' girl.

Post: #3192

(03-28-2017 08:08 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 07:53 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Thanks for the pointers. My text game is definitely weak. It's definitely difficult to get better in. There's so many styles and conflicting ways of doing things that it becomes very difficult to figure out what is the correct way to do things.

From what I can pick up, all the different styles should hit the following points:

- shorter messages
- push-pull
- don't come across as desperate
- make it fun and light

Would you say this is a good summary?

I've amended my reply and addressed the remainder of the exchange you had with that girl.

I'm no expert but that seems to be a good heuristic but it really depends on the particulars of the interaction and a girl. But yes, rather err on the side of shortness than length - be a busy man whose time is precious. Push-pull I don't do, can be misinterpreted. As long as a girl plays on your side helping you to arrange a date, just stack forward. Only if she starts to play games, then you give her to taste her own medicine. Making it fun for her over texts? No. You're not a circus, and she didn't pay for the ticket. She didn't earn to be entertained before opening her legs. But yeah, sound light and breezy, perhaps with one or two humorous comments along the way, why not. The more messages exchanged, the bigger chance to fuck up something. And important is to realise, texting and text game are not the same. The latter only to be deployed if a girl plays games. With some girls you can just straightforwardly arrange a date because she's a 'yes' girl, not a 'maybe' girl.

thanks for the detailed break down bro. I can see now that the texts are way too long winded. Will need to re-calibrate.

I'll be reading over the memorable text thread to get some ideas and pointers.

Post: #3193

I'm going to have to disagree. If your texts are all logistics and no fun you will only get the easy girls or girls who had strong attraction to you in the first place. Sure it can work, but as you get older, or if you're not especially good looking, you'll get much better results making a girl want to meet up with you than just hoping she already does.

I'll still drop "Hey's it's Gorgiass" as my opening text but only if I had a really strong interaction where the girl was very into me, or if there was nothing else to call back to.

There's a reason you can find books worth of material about using callback humor in text game on other pickups forums from the last decade to present. Note that even the text KSBMS linked to contains callback humor - something which will make her smile and bring back the positive emotion she had when she was interacting with him earlier, and further the association of positive emotions to him in general. And push/pull is probably the single most important thing a guy can do to take his results to the next level. Yea, it's easy to fuck up and take it too far, but that's part of learning how to better at it and read girls to find their limits from their demeanor. It's not about you being a circus that she didn't buy a ticket to, it's about having fun. Half the time I laugh more about giving girls shit than they do, if I didn't, why do it?

If you're 30+ trying to get with girls ten years younger than you who have jacked frat guys hitting on them every weekend at parties you will need more than logistics texts, might as well learn it now.

Regarding the comment about being "too sarcastic", I may be alone here as well but I almost never use sarcasm in general, and definitely not in pickup. Even if someone chuckles at a sarcastic comment they don't usually get a positive emotion from it, and without positive emotion it's awfully tough to get her to drop the panties. I'll tease the hell out of a girl but sarcasm has no place in it, in my opinion.

Post: #3194

(03-28-2017 10:38 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  I'm going to have to disagree. If your texts are all logistics and no fun you will only get the easy girls or girls who had strong attraction to you in the first place. Sure it can work, but as you get older, or if you're not especially good looking, you'll get much better results making a girl want to meet up with you than just hoping she already does.

I completely agree.

I think the whole "8 pm at x bar. k bye" texting thing has its place but definitely isnt what you should base your game on.
betanomore, your text exchange could have easily ended in a date. In fact in other cases where there was attraction, it would have. It wasnt terrible texting, it wasnt mindblowing either. The length is also fine.

What it isnt is it doesnt create too much attraction. And i think once we get the number we assume we already have that, but in your case you still needed to create that.
What you needed isnt shorter logistics texts or more to the point, you needed the opposite actually. You needed WestIndianArchie style stuff, you needed to be in gaming mode and not going through the logistics motions type mode.


I think what you did wrong is you didnt pick up on her vibe, which she indicated when you first met her. "she thinks she has a higher chance of winning if shes far", "shes doing psychology and isnt working in that field", etc....

You needed to work her imagination, both in the initial interaction and in the texting after

Post: #3195

First real approach of 2017.

It was warm so I went outside with my book on building a platform. I exchange eye contact and test a smile with a girl. She smiles back so that's a shortcut to approach. I open her directly and we play a little guessing game about my age because she slyly comments that I may be too young for her. I get her to guess, turns out I'm older by four years. I recommend this if a girl makes such a comment. You can kind of see it as a shit test. Get her to guess. If she answers something young, play a game and then mention something older. In any case, it means I'm in good shape.

Here was an early good indicator. There was something in her hair. I reach and take it out. You can do this too as a quick test to see if a girl is really into you, or it may even create more attraction.

She wants to sit down. She's here, going back to Vegas tomorrow, then coming back again permanently. Shitty timing but it is what it is. She's here to do sales so knowing a bit about this, that's what we talk about, after making suggestions that she's wild and crazy of course. I talk about body language and the honesty of the feet, which gets her to look and move physically. This is actually something Scott Adams talked about a few months ago - get your prospect to take some kind of physical action. That harnesses commitment.

I do the Good Looking Loser gambit and tell her to make a muscle so I grab hold of her arm, etc.

More small talk ensues as we continue to talk body language, sales, etc. She asks for my number. Unfortunately my phone was dead but I give it to her and put hers down in another device. Since she was leaving I tried to get her Facebook - I know the conventional wisdom about this subject. I agree if a girl doesn't give you her number but offers Facebook instead it's a waste of time, but this was a way to keep in longer term contract as an insurance policy, plus my profile picture is very good. Facebook has been successful in keeping in touch with the girls most into me over the years. Unfortunately, that too didn't pan out because she couldn't find me (I checked myself) it was weird. Oh well, I just say I'll text it to her.

At this point I take her a short distance to see the hawk's nest in the area. She liked it, but I wonder if this may have been a mistake. Sometimes it might be best to end it on a high note. What do you all think?

Anyway, we keep walking. I joke about her looking cute in a bikini when it gets warm in a few weeks because we were by a popular sunbathing spot. Since I already ascertained that she was staying alone at a hotel my thought went to same day lay. I should've tried to pursue this with greater vigor and just lead her to a spot nearby instead of asking if she was doing anything and informing I had to go in the opposite direction earlier.

A lot of bad breaks aligned even though the approach was very good. I was far more direct and sexual than usual, and the talk about body language and psychology seems to have been interesting in general, rather than standard bullshit guys talk about. Girls tend to like that social stuff, as you know. I will note it in the future.

It's too bad for the bad breaks if she wasn't leaving this would've been a sure day 2. As it stands I now have the challenge of trying to maintain contact for the few weeks she's going to be away before coming back permanently. Any advice on texting?

All in all though, not a bad way to start this year's campaign.

Post: #3196

Bought some stuff at a store next to a mall earlier and then walked over to the mall, keeping bag in my hand rather than dropping it off so I wouldn't look out of place. I engaged with a couple pushy salespeople and fended off their pitches to warm up and walked around. Very sparse in there tonight but as I was walking back I saw a very cute, fit, natural blonde walking the other way who briefly made eye contact, I held it and smiled as I turned her way. 25 ft wide walkway, and she saw me turn so may have added a bit of unnecessary tension there as I crossed over and caught up behind her.

Direct approach, she was meeting a friend but couldn't figure out where she was, I joked about there being a map around here somewhere but that's what Google is for anyway and got the initial laugh to drop some tension. Kept things light, referenced the bag in my hand and what I was buying and made mention of meeting my friends too. She was somewhat new to the area in the fitness industry. Chat for a few minutes then said she didn't want to keep her friend waiting, couple more exchanges and then asked if she wanted to get together, got a number. On the topic of text exchanges, here's how it went - callback to her being lost in the mall and light, fun tone

Post: #3197

(03-28-2017 10:38 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  I'm going to have to disagree. If your texts are all logistics and no fun you will only get the easy girls or girls who had strong attraction to you in the first place. Sure it can work, but as you get older, or if you're not especially good looking, you'll get much better results making a girl want to meet up with you than just hoping she already does.

I'll still drop "Hey's it's Gorgiass" as my opening text but only if I had a really strong interaction where the girl was very into me, or if there was nothing else to call back to.

There's a reason you can find books worth of material about using callback humor in text game on other pickups forums from the last decade to present. Note that even the text KSBMS linked to contains callback humor - something which will make her smile and bring back the positive emotion she had when she was interacting with him earlier, and further the association of positive emotions to him in general. And push/pull is probably the single most important thing a guy can do to take his results to the next level. Yea, it's easy to fuck up and take it too far, but that's part of learning how to better at it and read girls to find their limits from their demeanor. It's not about you being a circus that she didn't buy a ticket to, it's about having fun. Half the time I laugh more about giving girls shit than they do, if I didn't, why do it?

If you're 30+ trying to get with girls ten years younger than you who have jacked frat guys hitting on them every weekend at parties you will need more than logistics texts, might as well learn it now.

Regarding the comment about being "too sarcastic", I may be alone here as well but I almost never use sarcasm in general, and definitely not in pickup. Even if someone chuckles at a sarcastic comment they don't usually get a positive emotion from it, and without positive emotion it's awfully tough to get her to drop the panties. I'll tease the hell out of a girl but sarcasm has no place in it, in my opinion.

(03-29-2017 05:53 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:38 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  I'm going to have to disagree. If your texts are all logistics and no fun you will only get the easy girls or girls who had strong attraction to you in the first place. Sure it can work, but as you get older, or if you're not especially good looking, you'll get much better results making a girl want to meet up with you than just hoping she already does.

I completely agree.

I think the whole "8 pm at x bar. k bye" texting thing has its place but definitely isnt what you should base your game on.
betanomore, your text exchange could have easily ended in a date. In fact in other cases where there was attraction, it would have. It wasnt terrible texting, it wasnt mindblowing either. The length is also fine.

What it isnt is it doesnt create too much attraction. And i think once we get the number we assume we already have that, but in your case you still needed to create that.
What you needed isnt shorter logistics texts or more to the point, you needed the opposite actually. You needed WestIndianArchie style stuff, you needed to be in gaming mode and not going through the logistics motions type mode.


I think what you did wrong is you didnt pick up on her vibe, which she indicated when you first met her. "she thinks she has a higher chance of winning if shes far", "shes doing psychology and isnt working in that field", etc....

You needed to work her imagination, both in the initial interaction and in the texting after

thanks guys. I have a lot of work to do and need to use my creative juices more.

Post: #3198

Painting outdoors, I see a blonde 7 walk past on her lunchbreak, on the way back she says Hello and I run with it and start up a conversation.
Ask her about herself, ask her if she likes my work, when she says yes I tell her that I was fishing for a compliment with that comment so she has passed and she laughs. She's Austrian and loves art, ask her what brings her to Australia? "My partner."
We continue talking about her travels and work and that I live nearby but I let it run out of momentum and she has to get back to work.

I need to work on my game. The talking is easy for me but showing intent and escalation is where I stumble.

Post: #3199

(03-30-2017 02:17 AM)Mig Picante Wrote:  Painting outdoors, I see a blonde 7 walk past on her lunchbreak, on the way back she says Hello and I run with it and start up a conversation.
Ask her about herself, ask her if she likes my work, when she says yes I tell her that I was fishing for a compliment with that comment so she has passed and she laughs. She's Austrian and loves art, ask her what brings her to Australia? "My partner."
We continue talking about her travels and work and that I live nearby but I let it run out of momentum and she has to get back to work.

I need to work on my game. The talking is easy for me but showing intent and escalation is where I stumble.

I thought the start of your conversation was excellent, you were able to build comfort along with gaining some insight on her logistics. Which I think ultimately sealed the fate of this conversation as hearing she had a partner possibly caused hesitation on your end for further escalation. However, if you look at every approach/conversation as an opportunity, you could always leverage it to your advantage.

To borrow from WIA's insight: shortly after approaching a girl and acquiring about her logistics, you have an important decision to make based off two criteria. If they are bad, turn her into a "friend/pawn/pivot". If they are good, continue escalation (WIA, 2017).

Using your scenario as an example, after finding out the blonde 7 had a boyfriend, you definitely had an opportunity to still salvage the approach. Knowing that you both share the love of art, you could use this to your advantage since you are an artist. You could possibly invite her out to the next exhibit featuring your art (I'm not into the art scene so I couldn't come up with a better example), or if you have an Instagram showcasing your art, you could tell her to follow you to see more of your work.

At worst, you have a genuine connection with someone that shares your interests, and at best you have a possible lead or at least a chick that leads to other possible leads.

Post: #3200

Update on my date with that 38 year old. Played out how I envisioned it:

Quote:The 14 month cold streak is finally OVER! The monkey is off the back. Time to get some momentum and move onto bigger, better things.

This wasn't a particularly impressive bang but a bang is a bang in my case. I definitely would not have gotten the bang without game principles though.

Matched with a late 30s white chick on bumble. She actually looked pleasantly good for her age. Nice body, could have passed for late 20s. 6/10. My plan was to just go for the bang or go busto. From her pics, she I read her as a "free spirted" hipster type girl. And of course, being late 30s, i pegged her as a CC rider. I actually called her to set up the date after I said we should go for a drink. Bantered on the phone for a bit, teased her and met last night by her place.

Got to the bar and decided to run smug, asshole game. The trouble is when I do this is I often push too much. I tried not to do it this much this time and did some pull along the way. The first few min were definitely a bit awkward. Convo was a bit forced but I just needed time to warm up.

Eventually I was able to call her the following adjectives in a teasing manner, light-hearted manner:
- A succubus
- Drama queen

Also, when I confirmed plans earlier today, she was quite excited and all I said was "see you then." She brought this up and said she was close to canceling because she didn't think I was into it. I laughed and said if she snapped, I would have called it off because I was 1. at the gym. 2. I don't like texting.

She said her last ex had no balls and then she said something about being "innocent" which I laughed at and she said she's submissive. I said describe more. She started blabbering about work and how she has to be assertive and I immediately cut her off and said: "ok, all you're saying is you have to be this assertive person at work but what you really need is just someone to dominate the fuck out of you." She thanked me for shortening what she was saying into something succinct.

After this point, I knew my read on her was correct so I just continued to be a cool, relaxed a bit smug guy but I also played up my aggressive side when I talked about jits and how it's a release outlet for aggression.

We moved to to a few more bars and in between transitions, she wrapped her arm around my arms. I did NOT go for any makeouts at all but I did start touching her knees, thighs hands when sitting and maintained laser eye contact while she started to give less and less eye contact. I knew I had the upper hand and didn't want to start making out so give her plausible deniability.

We played the questions game at the last place but I didn't ask any overtly sexual questions. Again, plausible deniability. I was sexual enough with my eye contact and the light touching so I didn't need to come off as some sort of desperate kid trying to talk about sex. The most sexual question "have you ever cheated on anyone before."

I did deal with a shit test pretty well. She said we're so different to which I replied: "ya it's great. It's two opposing forces causing a ton of tension and energy" or something lame like that.

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Now I decided to walk her back to her place. This is where I used everything I knew about game to get myself to sex. Tons of fake resistance which I overcome and was the best I've ever dealt with this stuff. In fact, in the past, I would never be able to close in situations like this so I'm super happy that I had this reference experience and passed.

Outside her place, I said I had to use her washroom. She let me in. As I walked out, she had her shoes on still which made me laugh to myself because Roosh said this isn't the best sign and it obviously isn't. I stayed cool and redirected: I asked her if I could have a drink of water LOOOL.

She gave it to me and I kind of just stood there and it was almost like she was waiting for me to leave. I laughed and said: "well, if you really want me to leave, that's cool I'm just here to have water." She said "ya maybe."

Then I said I'd like to keep hanging out and we should sit down. She said she isn't so sure about this. Again, I played it off and something that wasn't a big deal and said: "ya, we'll just sit and hang out for a bit while I sober up." I took her hand and said, "here, come" and she followed to her couch. this whole time, in my mind, I thought to myself that it was going to happen. I'd have doubts in the past but I wasn't going to let any negativity or doubt sink it. Visualize it the most positive outcome.

On the couch, in the past I would be too eager and then fuck things up. This time, I knew I was in no rush and wanted her to be comfortable. She sat next to me and laid her head on my shoulder. I kept it cool and just talked for a few min. Then I said she's tense and gave her a neck/trap massage

5 or so min of that, I started kissing her. A bit of kissing and I stopped it and gave her more of a massage. I said she should take her dress off so I could massage her back better and she shook her head no. That was fine. I took a step back.

We made out more now. She was on top of me and I tried to grab her ass. No dice. Withdrew a bit to just making out. She was still on top of me and after a bit, she was okay with me grabbing her ass. Tried to rub her pussy but no dice. Withdrew a bit and retried later. I took off my shirt to 1. show off my body and 2. progress this further. After 10 min or so of this, she said "may we should wait for the 2nd date." I brushed it off and said I'm enjoying her company. Soon after, I picked her up and put her on her bed. No resistance.

We kept making out and she said we're not having sex before she never has sex on the first date (LOOOOOOOOOL). She said she's also on her rag. I said ya it's all good. I'm not going to do anything she doesn't want me to do.

I was able to start to rub her pussy outside of her underwear. She asked me if we should wait for the next date. I said: "There's a ton of chemistry and we only live once..."

I took off my pants and then she started playing with my cock. Then she started blowing me. I was able to start finger blasting her now. She then took out some lube and put it on my cock when I told her more spit. She eventually said we should take a break and she wanted to go to the washroom to take off her dress etc.

She came back. She had a really nice body. Great tits and ass. I fingered her more and then said we should grab a condom. Of course, she had a her on box and some sort of clit thing in her drawer (ya, she has never done this before ) but I grabbed my own.

We then banged. She said earlier that she doesn't like being choked but apparently that wasn't the case with me.

Afterwards, she told me that she hasn't done this before and how she didn't expect this to happen. I played along. She also said that I'm much hotter in person - I need way better pics. I laid with her for a bit as she cuddled next to me and then eventually I left.

One humorous thing was she started talking to me about her other dates coming up while she was cudding onto me lol. She said she has been talking to one guy but hasn't met him and he was very angry that she was going on the date with me tonight. She also said she has a date sunday night. I didn't react because I couldn't care less. This was probably some ploy of hers to illicit jealousy.

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Takeaways:

- I need way better pics. I'm not photogenic and it's killing me online. Will be hiring an editorial photographer. But above all, gives me more reason to just approach in real life.

- We talked about "chemistry" and I fake agreed. Chemistry is bullshit. Girls are dumb. The only "chemistry" there is is whether a guy can get a read on the girl and then let that part of himself come out to match what gets her emotions and tingles going.

- Going to try the whole not making out thing until I'm in a place where the bang can happen. Leaves a bit of mystery but still show intent through other actions such as touch.

- We must stick to the social scripts as stupid and transparent as they may be. In the past, I would mock stupid scripts that humans have to follow but that made me come off as awkward like Larry David in CYE. The script is always the plausible deniability and "it just happened."

- I'm happy I finally was able to play the end game right. I realized that that the key is visualizing what you want and staying cool. If you act like it's perfectly natural that you're going to stick around and hang out for a bit, then she'll be okay with it. If you act nervous, and nervous about whether or not she'll kick you out she'll kick you out.

- LMR will always be there but as long we you get a read on what's holding the girl back, then you're golden.

- Need to restart no fap. I tried it for 4 days and was going to explode so I caved in. Fapped before the date and I wasn't as hard as I wanted to be.

- I had a good time etc but this is fleeting hedonistic pleasure. I busted a nut but it's just a sterile way to live. I'd prefer something in a relationship but of course, I need to get my game good to get that. Pumping and dumping girls on the CC is won't bring long term happiness.

- Finally the dry spell is over. Time to get the ball rolling!