Post: #3076

(01-12-2017 07:04 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  About an hour ago, I was walking down my platform at a station in the city, passing by a chick with her back to my side. A few metres down from her, I stopped and turned to look her way. I almost gave up on approaching as I thought she wouldn't be my type. Fuck it.

The train arrived, and we boarded the same door. It was fairly empty and I stood by the door, making to take a book from my backpack. She had taken a seat opposite me, and I sat directly opposite her after a few minutes. She had given me the briefest glance, after playing with her phone. She seemed rather preoccupied in expression; it sort of put me off saying anything.

I want to apply the 3-second rule a bit more as I've had the impression from previous approaches that waiting much longer seriously puts the girl off, given that she'll have enough time to have seen your approach coming. Dammit. There was a lady sitting next to me, and I felt self-conscious opening my quarry while someone else was so close.

3rd lady got off. 1st girl still had a slightly distracted look. She looked to be early twenties (I later found out — 21), was tall, brunette, had blue eyes, rosy skin, a cute face, with lipstick, and an unusual amount of rose gold jewellery. She's got a particular look to her that made me wonder if she was part Greek or Italian. All in all, an 8.

I opened her soon after it was just the both of us.

"All dressed up to go out?" I asked, indicating her jewellery, fixing her gaze.

"I just got back from work," she replied with a slight frown, although there was something in her tone that implied she wanted to continue.

"All those pretty rings and necklaces?" was my rejoinder. She had two of those, among others.

"I work at a jewellery store," she fingered her bracelet.

"Yeah, part of your uniform?"

"Haha yeah, showcasing them," she started to soften a bit.

"Visual merchandising, that's what it's all about eh?"

"Exactly, blah blah." (I forgot what she said exactly)

"Which jewellers' do you work at? Swarovski, Georg Jensen?" I think I said that as a test.

"I work at Lovisa. You know that one?"

"Yeah, I used to work at Swarovski," I lied. (I said that on impulse, I probably shouldn't have.)

"Reeeally? What did you do there?" She seemed a tad incredulous.

"Retail," I kept lying. "What's wrong?"

"I've never heard of a working in jewellery," she admitted.

"That's a really gender-discriminating to think," I said in a rather chiding tone. (I could've teased her about her lack of understanding of the industry.)

"Yeah it suppose it is, but not unless it's like mens' jewellery," she returned in a playfully-defensive tone.

"I know a guy who works at Georg Jensen," I protested. "And that's like saying that Tag Heuer should be employing just guys."

I dunno if I should have played to her logical side like that.

"What's that?" She drew a blank.

"You know, Tag Heuer, the watch brand," I said almost patronisingly, holding up my wrist. I do have a Tag Heuer watch, just not the one that I was wearing. "Haven't you been to Collins St.?"

"No, I don't know the city that well," she said haplessly.

"It's like, the one smack in the middle."

"Yeah, I'm not too familiar with the streets yet....blah blah I'm not from here," she admitted.

"Blah blah where are you from?" I asked. She didn't have much of an accent.

"I'm from Adelaide."

A bit of banter about Adelaide being just an oversized country town ensued. I compared it to Hobart, she said she'd never been.

"How about yourself? Are you from Melbourne?" She turned the conversation to me.

"Yeeeah," I replied, rather matter-of-factly.

"Were you born here?" She pressed.

"Nah, I wasn't."

"Where were you born?" She asked.

"Singapore," I replied without much hesitation.

"Oh I know people from Singapore," she said perkily.

"What; your customers?" I teased.

"Haha not really...I mean yeah some of them," she smiled. "But I know other people from there. Why did "

"Blah blah," (I don't recall what I said.)

"Singapore's really clean, I like it," she went on. "Don't you get fined for chewing gum there?"

"Hah, yeah, like $5000," I said.

"Ouch, that's harsh," she said. "That'd never happen here. No-one would stand for it."

"Yeah they'd just stick them everywhere."

"Haha right, in policemens' face and stuff."

"It's what I'd do, that's why they didn't want me there anymore," I said with mock seriousness.

She laughed, then her attention diverted to the stop that our train was heading past.

"Have we gone past this stop already?" she asked.

"What'd you mean?" I frowned.

"This stop," she explained. "Will the train pass by it later?"

"Errr yeah, in like an hour or so, when it's coming back to the city," I told her almost patronisingly. "Why not?"

"Ooohh I must've been thinking of trams, right," she said with a bit of embarrassment.

"Trains, trams, big difference eh," I said sarcastically. "Don't you have trains back in Adelaide?"

"Yeah we do! It's just one line, and it heads to the main nightlife area."

"Oh yeah I remember that about Adelaide," I said. "You've only that one strip, that's where all the bars and clubs are concentrated."

"Yeah Keppel St (sp?)," she said. "Blah blah."

There was yet more ramble about how everyone was stuck there one nights out in her city.

"Yeah, like your mum," I teased.

"Haha not that!" she laughed. "I miss my mum. I meant more like people you went to high school with."

Still more ramble, which I've forgotten.

"You know what it's like meeting people from high school," she continued.

"Oh yeah right, that awkward 5 minutes of conversation and shit," I dismissed. "I sort of got that hell away from that part where I grew up from."

"Oh was that like, the west?" she ventured.

"C'mon, do I really look like a Westie?" I feigned mock hurt. The western suburbs are a lesser-circumstanced part of the city, and I hardly looked the part.

"I'm new remember, what's someone from the west side supposed to look like?"

"Oh, just hoodies and trackie dacks (Australian slang for tracksuit trousers) and dropping out of school at 15 and punching out 5 kids . . . " I responded graphically.

"I'd better not head there then," she said.

". . . and those 2 kick arse kebab shops," I finished.

"Wow, maybe I should pay it a visit," she changed her mind.

"Oh there's a fair few of them here," I waved my hand about nonchalantly.

"In Brunswick? (I perked up, she mentioned my suburb) I'm starting to get hungry, I haven't eaten yet," she confessed.

"Is that the plan?" I teased. "Like a dinner adventure you're getting from me?"

"No that's not it," she protested. "Blah blah."

"Yeah there's heaps of them here," I went on. "I used to live down the road from one."

"What do you mean, 'used to live'? Do you mean you're homeless?" she asked.

"Maybe I could be," I played along. "Maybe I just live on a boat out on the bay."

"Blah blah," she said. "What sort of boat is it? Like a yacht?"

"Nah, a Zodiac, one of those rubber ones."

She laughed, "I'm getting off here."

"So am I."

"Are you really?"

"Fakely," I said (I should've noticed the station first). "I don't actually live on a boat."

Some more banter in which she questioned whether this was indeed my stop, as we got off the train and walked towards the exit. I prodded her upper arm as I said, no wonder you got away from Adelaide, this is why your friends couldn't stand you.

"But yeah, mine's that way," I indicated my left as I turned away from her. The footpath from the station split into two here; she was about to head down the other one. So we were about other? She faced me.

"Do you want to add me on Facebook?" she asked.

"What if I deleted it yesterday?" I parried.

"Ha, very convenient," she retorted. She headed towards me. "Did you really?"

"Let's say I did. We'll have to do this the old school way," No way José. We were facing each other, her back to the railing around the nature strip. "Give me your number instead."

"Uh-uh," she refused, pulling out her mobile. "I add people on Facebook first first, then get the number....I have my policies."

"Very well played," I mused. "So I've got it, huh?"

"I don't feel right giving my number after too many creepy guys on Tinder," she said defensively.

"Gee, well I'm sorry for left-swiping you last month," I retorted. (I was at a loss at how to respond to that.)

"You do have Facebook after all!" she exclaimed.

"I surrender," I said. "I'm a bad liar."

"Shocking!" she agreed. "That's what everyone says."

I may have teased her about that remark. There's a bit of fumbling as my phone screen has a crack through it. I got her to look me up on her phone.

I have a really common name on FB, and she selects a dweeby-looking namesake. I pretend to hit her and we laughed.

"I like your display pic," she said when we got to my profile. "It's a bit usual. Your expression is like a mix of confused and focussed and intense and lost."

(I don't recall what adjectives she used, mostly complimentary.)

I also forgot the exact dialogue between us. She asked what happened in that pic and I bullshitted something about watching some sheep tat I was about to hunt, butcher and slaughter, and eat.

"That would be worrying because I've recently turned vegetarian," she said.

"I'm so sorry that you'd have to witness my sheep-hunting endeavours," I dissed. I made to head off.

"Haha ouch," she said. "We'll talk on Facebook."

This was probably my most profitable daygame experience in a while.
I was glad that I made it an emotional juggle, rather than the comfort-comfort-comfort of most daygame approaches.

I've never had a daygame-sourced bang yet, but I should have no reason to suppose anything should come out of it, given that I've had pretty positive DG approaches that came to nothing in the past.

I wonder if I should've turned it into an insta-date though. Maybe even a SDL/SNL, as it was close to 21:00, and she evidently had nothing on that night. I think I left the end of interaction vague to throw in a bit more tension. Logistics are dope too, we obviously live nearby, and my place was literally under 500 metes away.

From our interaction, she was clearly somewhat interested, and knew what was up (the Tinder/phone/FB topic gave that away). I'm not too sure where to take it from here, either a ZDB or a 1st date bang — we have heaps of bars around here.

I've had instadates from DG, so it's not beyond me. On the other hand, it's a Thursday night and I want to go out, sharpen my night game muscle.

Checked on FB and she's 21 and goes to my university (down the road) (we're on summer break).

What would you have done?

Idate or SDL weren't on the cards at all. Why? Because she declined to jump through a very minor hoop to start with - giving you her number.

I see no attraction, comfort, seduction woven through your interaction with her at all. You started very blandly, making a commuter's conversation of a nice guy, instead of giving a clear statement of intent, such as "I could not help but notice you've got some style going on for you", then expand on it and do some cold reading, and limit asking questions. It's crucial to find out what her logistics were. You could've shown confidence and increase attraction with her by, e.g., pointing at her bracelet, asking "what's that", and simultaneously grasping her wrist with your hand for a good few seconds and looking deep into her eyes. Her reaction would say a lot. Again, more of this escalation steps needed, such as: touching her hair and telling her how silky it was, verbally escalating how sexy she looked in her dress/skirt and if she matched the colour with her underwear.

If you're going for SDL you need to accelerate and be willing to crash the car.

Personalise conversation about her and reveal something about you so she knows you're a safe and cool guy. And deep eye-contact at all times. She needs to know you're a bad-boy and want to fuck her. There is much to be said but I'd recommend to just focus on getting lays from DG in a "classic "fashion" of getting number and following up with a date later first.

Don't worry, next time will be better. Getting good idates and SDLs with hot girls requires practiced skills and intermediate game for the former and advanced game for the latter (speaking of girls that are genuinely hot and with many options).

Post: #3077

(01-12-2017 07:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Idate or SDL weren't on the cards at all. Why? Because she declined to jump through a very minor hoop to start with - giving you her number.

I see no attraction, comfort, seduction woven through your interaction with her at all. You started very blandly, making a commuter's conversation of a nice guy, instead of giving a clear statement of intent, such as "I could not help but notice you've got some style going on for you", then expand on it and do some cold reading, and limit asking questions.

I'm grateful for the detail in your response, ksbms. Maybe I overestimated the vibe of that interaction — reading signals was never my forte — even if any body language can't be gauged from my post, you're pretty much on the ball with everything else. Even though I've never given an outright direct opener in DG, I've at least opened with something along the lines of your example, and I had had a chance in this one.

(01-12-2017 07:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  It's crucial to find out what her logistics were.

In what way?

(01-12-2017 07:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  You could've shown confidence and increase attraction with her by, e.g., pointing at her bracelet, asking "what's that", and simultaneously grasping her wrist with your hand for a good few seconds and looking deep into her eyes. Her reaction would say a lot. Again, more of this escalation steps needed, such as: touching her hair and telling her how silky it was, really escalating how sexy she looked in her dress/skirt and if she matched the colour with her underwear.

If you're going for SDL you need to accelerate and be willing to crash the car.

Within memory, I definitely haven't been forward enough like that in DG. Cold feet? Maybe I've underestimated how much girls can let you get away with and sexually charge an approach. I do want to get bolder at bringing up such behaviour even in a public environment like that.

(01-12-2017 07:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Personalise conversation about her and reveal something about you so she knows you're a safe and cool guy. And deep eye-contact at all times. She needs to know you're a bad-boy and want to fuck her. There is much to be said but I'd recommend to just focus on getting lays from DG in a "classic "fashion" of getting number and following up with a date later first.

Don't worry, next time will be better. Getting good idates and SDLs with hot girls requires practiced skills and intermediate game for the former and advanced game for the latter (speaking of girls that are genuinely hot and with many options).

Whereabouts could I have personalised my conversation a bit more? As in, what sort of information could I have dropped?

I think my eye contact was on point, I'll try to be a bit more conscious of sexualising that next time.

(01-12-2017 07:27 AM)ksbms Wrote:  First, I have to congratulate you on the memory, I wouldn't have remembered half of the conversations I make with chicks doing dg.

However, I have no idea why you replied what you did, served no purpose?

Just say "No, I don't do Facebook," when she declined the number. It leverages the girl's position by snooping around your profile to to make up her mind (more often, dear I say, to prove herself she was right you weren't up for the job).

A girl seriously interested, even if she proposes Facebook, will comply with your upping the ante and suggesting your taking her number. I can see it work only if your profile is supercool, speaking of Facebook. An important rule is not to add her as a friend or vice-versa, no need for that. Just shoot her a message.

Yeah, look, I wasn't impressed by my caving in that way. I've ploughed through attempted FB add requests before, so I've got no excuse. Her saying, "I don't do numbers first...I have may policies" got me into her frame easily and the Facebook thing seems to be a tactic of attractive, "high-options" girls (I've been attracting a few of those lately.

FWIW, cold approach isn't at all the norm here in Australia (a source of DG paralysis I had recently), so approaching at all could've been as much a statement of intent as any.

I thought I'd done well, but I'm starting to wonder if I've lost this one. Obviously, there's much to learn from this approach, and frank feedback like yours helps with my game progress.

Post: #3078

(01-12-2017 07:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  It's crucial to find out what her logistics were.

In what way?

Parsimoniously. Just ask "what are you up to now?" And then clarify anything that needs clarification.

Post: #3079

Busy week, and has been a while since I approached someone.

Act 1 - meetup
Went to a meetup about business.
First approach - an athletic short HB6/7.
Me: "You look familiar. You were here on the last meetup"
HB6/7: "No. You are probably mistaken".
Me: "So, you were on another meetup here. It was XXX meetup"
HB6/7: "You are right. Wow you have good memory"
Me: "Keep the compliments going (light touch). Why have you come?"
Conversation was flowing for 2-3 m. It turns out she is from Boston (Remeber we are in Israel) and is leaving the night after that day.
Took her business card and working on long game, as she is suppose to come back later in the year.
Second approach - late 30s with a bored look.
Me: "I have a friend with the same family name."
Her: "It is a rare name. Where is he from?"
Me: "XXX town. And you?"
Her: "My husband's name is YYY, but I kept my maiden name as it is part of my brand"
Me: "I see. So why are you here? looking for leads?"
Her: "It is interesting. And why are you here?"
Me: "Great place to pick up chicks. I'm happily divorced"
Her (laughing)
Next

Third approach - HB7/8 girl
Me: "Are you part of the persons managing the meetup?"
Her: "Yes, I am. Sorry got to go"
Next

Act 2 - at the hot tub
I was relaxing in the hot tub after working out and swimming. A short girl with tight body and a one piece suit came in. First time I see someone worth picking up near the sauna.
Me: "We are 3 guys. Please bring additional 2 girls for gender balance"
Her (puzzled): "Why?"
Me: "Gender balance"
Then the other 2 guys get up and leave, leaving me isolated with her.
I continue to engage. she is a yoga instructor. Good.
At then 5 m mark I make my move.
Me: "It's been fun talking to you. We should do it again, as you are an interesting person. Give me your number."
Her: "This is a good time to tell you I'm married"
Me: "No problem. Bring your husband and an attractive friend of yours and we can double".
Her: "mmm...OK"
When I came back she was gone.
Oh well.

Post: #3080

I've just lost my mojo. Last half a dozen of my DG approaches were so lacklustre, most girls were partially confused what the deal was. Needless to say, it fizzled out quickly and didn't even get to the stage of asking them out. Time for self-diagnostics.

I think I switched off sexual aggressiveness, my body language is too soft, I began to stand a bit further away from the girl, speaking quieter, didn't implement physical touching and became outcome dependent.

time to re-calibrate.

Post: #3081

(01-16-2017 02:21 PM)ksbms Wrote:  I've just lost my mojo. Last half a dozen of my DG approaches were so lacklustre, most girls were partially confused what the deal was. Needless to say, it fizzled out quickly and didn't even get to the stage of asking them out. Time for self-diagnostics.

I think I switched off sexual aggressiveness, my body language is too soft, I began to stand a bit further away from the girl, speaking quieter, didn't implement physical touching and became outcome dependent.

time to re-calibrate.

It seems that you may be physically off. If you haven't slept well, eaten well or feel in shape it might affect you.
Try to have ZFG mind set. Turn your aggression on and escalate the hell out of the situation.

Post: #3082

This was in Montpellier, France.

A week ago, I was waiting for my tram to go to my uni, a really cute french chick (solid 8) walked towards the tram stop, saw me, hesitated for one sec, and sat next to me. I complimented her shoes, she said merci. Btw, I genuinely love french girls' shoe choices and the way they dress.

So the tram came, I got on. I did not talk to her on the first tram (we both had to switch trams) because I did not think she was interested. 5 stops later, we both got off at the same stop waiting for the next tram. She sat down on one of the benches and I went to check how long before the next tram comes. But when I turned around, our eyes crossed and we kinda stared at each other for 2 seconds.

At the point, I went up and sat next to her, started talking. We talked about very general stuff (all in french), like how are you, where are you going, what are you studying, etc... She threw me a couple personal questions like what's your origin, which I thought was interesting and took it as a cue of interest.

And turned out, she is in second year high school, which makes her 17. But the way she dressed and the red lipstick she got on made me think that she was much older.

Then we got on the second tram. This one was really crowded, packed with people going to work. I didn't continue talking to her and she got off 2 stops before my stop. (Here in France, on a crowded tram, if you are the only one talking, everyone would be looking at you). When she got off, we exchanged eye contact again. I was definitely pissed that I didn't get her number.

So fast forward a week later, I got on my tram. And there she was. (I thought she lived nearby my stop but maybe she doesn't.) But again, there were people sitting next to her. I kinda chilled until we got off the first tram.

This time, the next tram was just there when we got off. We rushed on the tram, and I was pretty far from her. The only thing I could do was to get off at her stop. And that's what I did. So I got off at her stop, had to run up to catch her as she was walking fast (probably late for her school), and got her number.

She did tell me her phone just broke tho, so I will have to wait for a little bit before I hit her up.

I'm looking forward to seeing what will happen with this frenchie. She is something special.

Post: #3083

(01-16-2017 03:52 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 02:21 PM)ksbms Wrote:  I've just lost my mojo. Last half a dozen of my DG approaches were so lacklustre, most girls were partially confused what the deal was. Needless to say, it fizzled out quickly and didn't even get to the stage of asking them out. Time for self-diagnostics.

I think I switched off sexual aggressiveness, my body language is too soft, I began to stand a bit further away from the girl, speaking quieter, didn't implement physical touching and became outcome dependent.

time to re-calibrate.

It seems that you may be physically off. If you haven't slept well, eaten well or feel in shape it might affect you.
Try to have ZFG mind set. Turn your aggression on and escalate the hell out of the situation.

So recalibrated a bit because I got proper stops. Saw a girl in a whitecoat and followed a bit until she left campus area, then approached from the other side of the street, stopped her, killed momentum but early on she told me she had a boyfriend, I replied that I didn't care and she returned with "But I care!".

Not sure if before or after she asked me how old I was - this was a first for me, wasn't sure how to handle it. Answering questions about age, what do you do, where are you from although seems innocent but might be playing to a girl's trying to impose her frame. I replied "I'm old enough" but I think it was a weak rebuttal, should have said "rather, are you old enough for me?" or just straight my age. Anyway, her objection about boyfriend was early on and strong so wished her a good day.

Then some time later was walking down the street and passed a chick standing outside restaurant having a ciggie. She was interestingly dressed, a bit etno-style, mixed colours, so u-turned and opened about that. Seemed like a decent conversation, told me she was going back to Spain in a week's time, got her number, whatsapped but no reply.

Went for some salsa classes. As expected, girls were substandard but it can differ from class to class. Rather, I wanted to get some more experience of being intimately close to girls, touching their bodies, and flirting a bit. But it's hard to flirt with girls I have no interest in whatsoever. It actually is horrifying an experience, speaking of majority of women there - bad skin, acne, rough hands, sweaty bodies, bad breathes, hairy backs, inadequate proportions, overweight, etc.

The only girl that was cute was a girl from a previous class as she was about to go home. Chatted her up a bit and guess where she was from, she was a Russian devushka.

Was aiming for three +1 in January but so far it's zero and no leads...

Post: #3084

Might as well post this one here even though I posted for advice in the noob forum.

Just as info, I'm in my early 30s about a year out of a relationship. In the meantime, I fooled around with a coworker over a span of a few months (she wasn't very good) and a slightly plump but not fat latino chick while I went on a short solo trip last summer. That was the last time I've had anything. I've decided to get back into the game after some soul searching and time to myself. Been making a few approaches here and there over the past month but nothing has stuck. I've never been "good" at game but it almost seems like I'm repelling women right now.

I'm 5'9" ish, Asian in N. America, am in good shape - basically a clone Dominick Cruz's body, you can tell that I'm in good shape without my shirt on but definitely not jacked with clothes on. Face is average although I have been told that I'm "cute" by specific girls. I have a well respected profession, tight style game and can be social depending on the right mind set but I'm one of those you either hate me or you love me types. I also have my own hobbies so I'm never "bored" or lacking something to do. Overall, depending on the type of girl, I'd say my SMV is above avg, but to good looking white girls, below avg. My last gf was 10 years younger than me, quite attractive and was in a sorority and my gf previous that was attractive as well (but neither were white) so it's happened before where I have dated attractive women. I'd say my biggest mental block is I often get in my own head a lot and have somewhat of an "inferiority complex" as most of my friends (white guys) are good looking and have all had better success with women than I have.

I've become much more conservative over the past year or so. I find most women to be quite terrible nowadays with all the tats, addiction to social media and the sleeping around. The real goal is to find a woman who leans more conservative and would be LTR material. I would be lying if I said that I didn't want to bang good looking (white) chicks but that would an inner game issue as I still have a need for validation of being "good enough." This is obviously something I'm working through.

Over the past few months, some deep insights and realizations have hit me hard and I really don't have fear approaching women. I'm also letting the "failures" affect me less although sometimes it does get to me. I figure that this is my best time to find someone worth dating and saying that all western women are terrible is a defeatist attitude. I may fail but at least I'll go out swinging.

The plan is to to approach 5-10 women either direct or indirect a week. In addition to the other reading that I do, I'll brush up on game material and keep going. I'll also hire some sort of action photographer to get some good pics done for online dating - definitely need to exhaust all options. I'll be keeping a journal or notes of sorts after approaches. These will be just notes on what I could have done better while ignoring the outcome.

Here's one from today:

Approach:

Was at a coffee shop on a campus today and a girl sat beside me with her friend. Her friend stepped away and I immediately used the elderly opener and asked: "Excuse me, is that a good watch?"

She seemed receptive to conversation and we talked about watches etc for a few min. I then transitioned the convo to a few other things (like our fields of study and added a few light-hearted jokes). At around the 5 min mark, I had to leave to get to class so I said:

Me: "Hey, I gotta head to class. It was nice talking to you and I'd like to continue it later."

She immediately had a look of hesitation on her face.

Her: You mean as friends?
Me: You seem hesitant...
Her: "I just want to know what your intentions are..."

I was slightly rattled at this point but not terribly

Me: "I enjoyed talking to you and would like to talk to you again and go from there. Tell you what, I'll text you and you can decide whether or not you want to respond."

Got her number but I'm not thinking anything will happen.

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Takeaways:

1. Eye contact was decent but probably could have engaged longer. Also remember to utilize more of a "softer" gaze to avoid the impression of hollow stare.

2. Not sure if I should have made more of an attempt to transition more to a potential "mate" vibe after going indirect. Will brush up on daybang and also other books on how to flirt more.

3. Wasn't validating too much but could have done with a few less "uh huhs."

4. Was more rattled than I should been when she asked me for my "intentions." Need to stay cooler next time and come up with a witty reply.

Overall, not bad. Glad that I went for it without hesitation.

Post: #3085

Was in a social setting just now. It was in a restaurant, but they played loud music.
There were lots of girls, but mostly "old".

Saw one that had a good vibe and energy.
Made I contact. When she acknowledged, I went over and introduced myself.
She said her name was "weird nickname". She did not reveal her name , but says her business is named after that nickname.
Converstaion was flowing, and I moved to light touching, which she responded well. But then the people in the table interfered.
Handled them, and went back to the conversation.

But then, another guy came in (from my table) and started to engage us. Cockblocked.
I knew the set was lost, so I backed away. He went back and forth between our table and her. I could tell she liked the attention but would not give her number.
Next

Post: #3086

Used elderly opener on chick in yoga class. Before I spoke, thought she was private/orfputting/not open to an approach.

Not only did I start a dialogue, running GALNUC turned into a brief insta-date where we chilled at a coffee shop. 18 year old Latina with a phenomenal ass - Got digits obviously.

Shows me that I shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

Post: #3087

(01-20-2017 09:14 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Used elderly opener on chick in yoga class. Before I spoke, thought she was private/orfputting/not open to an approach.

Not only did I start a dialogue, running GALNUC turned into a brief insta-date where we chilled at a coffee shop. 18 year old Latina with a phenomenal ass - Got digits obviously.

Shows me that I shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

Well done, mate! Let us know how things unfold. Did you talk to her prior or after class?

Post: #3088

I'm based in Scotland and I think it's a harsh environment. Saw a brunette at M&S in the cosmetics isle where she was looking for the eye bags cream and opened she didn't look Scottish, which was the case - the girl looked somewhat Italian/Bulgarian. In fact, she was Scottish, plain 6, I'd say, very plainly dressed. I wouldn't have opened, where there better girls around but only grannies were doing their shopping. Whichever angel I'd take, I was getting no traction, I was a nuisance to her, such a Scottish princess she was! Not a single question in return out of politeness. It is always like that with Scottish chicks for me, no exception. And I've been here for quite a few years now.

Before that, though, was walking down the street, spotted a girl in a white-coat walking behind me, slowed down, let her go ahead so could get a better look. She waited at the traffic lights, so opened. Again, this was a Russian 6 (maybe 6.5 if the body's tight. Yes, there are very plain looking girls as well. The Russian chick I chatted at Salsa was no less than a 7, maybe strong 7) but the interaction was much better, she's for a couple weeks here and considering to study here. What is worth mentioning, I did it after dark - it usually is tougher to talk to a girl, as if darkness = mugger (or some such). Got her number, got an immediate reply from her. Will see what happens, though don't care that much. Had she been an >= 8, it would've been a different story...

Post: #3089

After.

Post: #3090

Went to M&S, was buying some stuff and mingling with other shoppers, saw a girl. Bangable, there was nothing better in the vicinity of my vision so decided to open. Nothing interesting was about her apart from the fact she didn't look Scottish, so that's what I rolled with. Indeed, she was a US student. It didn't go anywhere. US and British chicks never give me any chance. They are just to cool to engage themselves with a reasonably looking, well dressed and somewhat confident man. After all, they're buying their microwave food. Dare I interrupt their shopping!

Next was A Turkish girl. Again, a 6 at best but nothing better around and her tight trousers was a motivation, of sorts. Again, had no idea for an open and, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter - if a girl really likes you, you can open with whatever. As long as you push a conversation forward and show you can hold one, the real stuff is beneath - body language, voice, confidence, entitlement, and so forth. So rolled with her catching my eye due to unusual looks, which was the case. A boyfriend was an early objection. Interestingly, she wanted to keep talking, but she walked around me with her basket, forcing me to turn my head, which I did, but I refused to walk with her.

Again, a few minutes passed, I clocked in one of the isles a tidy blonde in a stylish coat. And that's what I rolled with. She was Norwegian studying finance. I told her from the waist up she was dressed well, from the waist down, she didn't match it (yoga pants + sneakers). I told her she smiled like a squirrel. I introduced myself and shook her hand keeping it in mine as I talked but she pulled away, which usually not a good sign. Also she didn't ask questions, withdrew eye contact so I knew something was on. I pressed on just to hear the inevitable - boyfriend. I still kept conversation and actually chatted to her I had a Norwegian girlfriend some years ago (a true story, whereas this girl was a bona fide low 7, my ex was pushing low 8 probably). She seemed curious. Alas, saw no reason to push so told her to take my number because boyfriends come and go and she obliged. I know that's a very weak move and I don't expect to hear from her.

So it was 0/3. Must admit, sometimes, after a session like this, I feel like a boxer cornered in a ring getting punched until the end of the round with no will to get up for the next one.

And the Russian girl from yesterday went silent too.

Post: #3091

Hit up a language exchange on Friday and got a couple of numbers. Talked to a pair of super cute girls and one was giving really good IOIs. A dude I made friends with had psychic timing and when I got asked "Did you come with friends?" I said "I'm friends with everyone" and suddenly he shows up and says "So lets hit a new bar at 12, yeah?" and I see the two girls look at each other and nod "yeah, this guy is cool" Supposed to have a Monday meet-up with the cute Machine Designer (misheard as Fashion Designer) but expecting a flake because girls. If it works out then nice.

Later in the night met up with a white girl (not my usual speed) who spoke good Japanese. Coached her a bit about how learning Korean is cake after learning Japanese and she warmed up really fast. Fun conversation that got me speaking Japanese again. Made a few friends from the night too. A young Korean buddy got an SNL with a cool black chick so I shared the good vibes. I straight up told him "fucking ditch us you bitch" when he said he'd come back if it didn't work out.

Tonight I met up with a friend from Thailand. Got pretty sloppy drunk and didn't make a ton of quality approaches but got a solid interaction where I maxed out my Korean on a cute girl. Buddy wasn't really feeling the friend so we ditched them with a washroom trip. I went back to the smoking pit to get a number (that will probably be dead) just because. Then we wound up picking up a new crew. My target kept coming and going (I think she ditched to an entirely different neighbourhood at one point) and I kinda dicked my friend by going full Korean conversation at multiple points but we had a solid night of karaoke and I got a stealth make-out. Buddy was pretty drunk and wound up cocking up my mojo and I was enough of a bitch to mention it later (gonna apologize later) but it was a solid night. Best part of noob game is savouring the small victories. I've had a handful of SNLs that were mostly luck but a make-out from seductive skill gives just as much satisfaction.

Post: #3092

So I recently (last week) got out of a one year LTR with a soft 8. It was about time as I've been itching to get some fresh pussy. So I got set up on the online dating apps and spent a couple days on those...total waste of time. I had success with Tinder when I used it three years ago but wow it has really deteriorated (although one factor might be that my physical shape has worsened, which I'm working on fixing). Hundreds of swipes, a few matches (often bots), and the ones that are real don't actually seem that interested in taking it offline. There was one 6 I probably could have made it happen with but I just wasn't inspired to pursue it.

Anyway, I knew I had to get back to doing real approaches and working my social circle. I was over at a friend's place a few nights ago and we lit up some top-grade weed. Might be unusual but my game seems to get tight if I smoke some good indica - which I don't do too often since I've got shit to do, but every now and then. On my way home I stopped at this small food place and walked up to the counter to get takeout. The girl at the counter was cute, probably a 7/8, and my interest was immediately piqued. I started with some banter about the menu options and was getting good IOIs. Good eye contact and into the conversation, although when the chick is working you never know if she's just playing the role.

This was my first live approach in a while so I had to remind myself of the basics. I focused on making good eye contact and letting my gaze linger on her just a moment longer than normal, not so long that it was creepy but enough to test her interest and get her thinking about mine. I think I hit the right balance, and same with the conversation. Once my food was ready, fortunately no one else was nearby so I didn't feel awkward about someone watching me pop the question - which is a problem of mine that I need to get over (suggestions?). I said we should grab a coffee sometime and asked for her number - this was where I slipped up, as I noticed a beta tone creep into my voice. Something I'll have to improve next time. Fortunately, it didn't throw her off, and got her number.

Went on to text her the next day, since our interaction was fairly short, and got a date set up for Monday.

So +1, first real approach in a year and so far looking good. The lessons for me, which guys have mentioned here before, are 1) that online is shit compared to real approaches, and 2) if you pay attention you can learn from each approach, success or failure. This was a great confidence booster...more to come hopefully.

Post: #3093

Dusted off the old warm approach boots - I don't get much face time with cuties unless I'm at the shop.

Cute white girl 6.5 with glasses, decent body for what looks like a possible softball player.

She walks into the shop, make sure if she needs help like I would with any customer, I don't give it much thought, I'm giving a coworker advice on this girl he's seeing.

The girl is nearby so I say, "Hey, gotta get your advice on this"

She smiles and comes over, I tell her the scenario my friend is in, and she agrees that he's in a defacto relationship regardless if he doesn't call her his GF.

We start talking about how girls can be crazy, stalkes, clingers.

She has rings on her finger so I ask her how long was it before her husband ask her to be his GF.

Turns out she isn't married and didn't have a BF because she gave old relationships as an example for our discussion.

We start talking about crazy ex's stalkers and clingers, and how my buddy might have a clinger on his hands.

She makes this hilarious joke of how to ghost or slowly fade away from my friends defacto GF.

"You should just tell her you aren't right for eachtoher because you shoot blanks"

I laughed my ass off because I didn't expect from what I thought was somewhat of a nerdy girl.

Turns out she's in med school to be a PA
.
The conversation ends after that I ring her up, see what she's doing this weekend, she walks out the door. I linger a bit then walk out after her.

"Hey!"
"I'd kick myself if I didn't get to hangout with you"

She laughs, "Yeah for sure, what's your number"

I give her my number.

"Cool, well I'll be in X city until Tuesday so I'll hit you up then"

"Yeah for sure I'm going to school also, so I'll be busy"

That might of been some hamster on her end.


But she texts me (I space out my reply times):

"Felicia"

"Kaotic, saved"

"Make sure you put (Stage 5) next to my contact name (emoji smirk)

I send her a screenshot with her name saved as "Felicia, The Stage 5 Clinger Stalker)

and say, "Make sure you put Kaotic -my tag line opener I use on girls- (emoji devil)

She send me a screenshot, my contact name is "Kaotic (Probably Shoots Blanks)

"How's this?"

Gotta admit I laughed my ass off.

"For your sake you better hope I am haha"



That's all for now, I won't contact her until Tuesday to follow up on a meet up this coming week.



It felt good to get back in old boots and hit up girls, I'm going to start taking advantage of it more, since I don't work at the shop anymore.

I thought I was pretty smooth and funny overall, I batten downed any AA I had - honestly it was more of a slight adrenaline rush than anything.

Post: #3094

Did my first ever 4 approaches. I aimed for 5 but I was out for quite a long time.

I was using the London day game model.

With all girls I opened with: hey, this is really forward of me, but you look really nice today, cheeky grin, speaking slow, eye contact.

1st girl: said she looked like a ninja for wearing all black, asked her where the sword and blades were, she laughed, but then walked of saying thanks

2nd girl: Said I liked her boots, they looked very equestrian, asked where the horse was, we talked a bit, I said she looked french, she was from Greece, we talked about how it snowed there recently, I asked some questions which I shouldnt have at that stage I guess, she was defensive, wouldnt tell me where she was from or her name, hadnt built enough comfort I guess. She said she had to go.

3rd girl: said she looked Scandinavian, she was actually english, she never fully stopped and was walking, I then said I liked how she was juggling multiple bags, she walked off.

4th girl: again didn't stop, said she looked Spanish, she wasnt, said thank you though and walked on.

Im finding stopping the girls hard, they hesitate to stop, but my stack is sh*t, I just dont really know what to say, in the model it says to point out something you notice, but saying i like your bag is boring?? I really dont know what to say on the spot.

I need to go London or something where I can just approach all day long and learn, only did 4 today which was annoying.

Any tips / hints??

Post: #3095

(01-23-2017 12:19 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  Did my first ever 4 approaches. I aimed for 5 but I was out for quite a long time.

I was using the London day game model.

With all girls I opened with: hey, this is really forward of me, but you look really nice today, cheeky grin, speaking slow, eye contact.

1st girl: said she looked like a ninja for wearing all black, asked her where the sword and blades were, she laughed, but then walked of saying thanks

2nd girl: Said I liked her boots, they looked very equestrian, asked where the horse was, we talked a bit, I said she looked french, she was from Greece, we talked about how it snowed there recently, I asked some questions which I shouldnt have at that stage I guess, she was defensive, wouldnt tell me where she was from or her name, hadnt built enough comfort I guess. She said she had to go.

3rd girl: said she looked Scandinavian, she was actually english, she never fully stopped and was walking, I then said I liked how she was juggling multiple bags, she walked off.

4th girl: again didn't stop, said she looked Spanish, she wasnt, said thank you though and walked on.

Im finding stopping the girls hard, they hesitate to stop, but my stack is sh*t, I just dont really know what to say, in the model it says to point out something you notice, but saying i like your bag is boring?? I really dont know what to say on the spot.

I need to go London or something where I can just approach all day long and learn, only did 4 today which was annoying.

Any tips / hints??

I'm not familiar with the London day game model, but personally I've never found that direct openers during the day, and especially on the street, have a high hit rate. I think girls might see it as "creepy" (unless you're tall and good-looking of course). I've heard of guys pulling it off but I think the tone you're looking for is more sincere than cheeky - like, "there's just something about you and I'd kick myself if I didn't stop you to say hi." I would recommend first of all that you try day gaming in coffee places, bookshops, grocery stores, etc. If you're on the street and going direct I'd say go sincere, and better would probably be indirect and when she's standing still (like at a stop light).

All that said I haven't read Roosh's Day Bang yet which probably is your best resource, if you haven't already read it.

Congrats on your first approaches. Keep it up. You'll start to see improvement if you keep at it.

Post: #3096

Daygame is hard graft, no doubt, even with referential experiences - I banged girls from a cold approach in 7/8 range but even with all that, negative thoughts creep in. I can't imagine what it feels like to start approaching to get the first bang. Or rather, I do remember, sort of, but don't want to. I had at least one mental breakdown. Girls aren't going to console you and no-one, apart from your community of a player friend, will really understand and sympathise.

You're, ultimately, on your own. And it feel like fighting a relentless uphill battle. Approaching is actually relatively easy. Once you've done 200 you know the drill. What is tough, and it takes brass balls, is to persevere. The most difficult part is an emotional control. And believing that you're one set away from gold. When rejections begin to take an emotional toil on you, perhaps slow down but believe, believe deeply, you're one set away from a spectacular success.

Certainly, being it January and the capital of Scotland doesn't help. So, what happened today?

Just to keep the vibe, when I saw a girl whom I weren't interested in, perhaps 5.5/6 at a traffic lights wearing a fancy leggings pattern, I told her I liked the pattern of her pants. In return I got a stare back as if I were, to put it mildly, a sexual offender.

Walking to and fro what is clear is girls avoid, avoid, avoid eye contact. I look at them, and smirk at them. I don't care.

Was inside Superdrug and saw a pretty brunette. Easily a 7 in my harsh eyes, maybe pushing 8 but would have to see her without wearing a coat. I was a bit nervous, first approach of the day, but she was like a cat - when I came up and made my pitch, she stood very calmly and was soaking up my words. Very early on she said she moved here with her partner. Polish/Canadian. A very confident girl. And that was it for the day.

So it's 0/16 this month for me.

Post: #3097

Went to the supermarket after lunch. Asked a cute young girl in an aisle if she could see sunflower seeds which she (and I couldn't). Found her shortly after in another aisle and went direct.

BTW, did you know you were cute?
Oh thank you. (Seemed she genuinely liked what she heard.)
You seem to be a student.
High school student.
(oops) How old are you?
16

Next!

In the same supermarket encountered a fit girl who was wearing a Nike top. She was walking in the opposite direction of me and gave me the kind of "look without looking" peripheral look that women often do. After she passed me I made a U turn and caught up with her at a stand. (Is this a bad thing to do? I mean do you have to spontaneous enough to open at first sight?) I talked to her a bit about working out. When she said she did cardio I could have teased her that this is what all girls do but didn't occur to me.

Post: #3098

Went to a newly opened restaurant a couple blocks from my work today, the restaurant had closed a couple years ago and reopened in a new location and new owners. There was one other customer when I arrived, and 3 employees including one hot young girl in yoga pants, I'd say mid-20's at the oldest. I asked her how long they had been open (just a few days), asked her recommendation about the menu, ordered and sat down at a table to wait for my food. She was super bubbly and interactive, a real pleasure to talk to.

When she brought my food I asked if she was new to town since she didn't know about the old location, she hung around and talked with me for several minutes, telling me about her school and other job (yoga instructor), what she wanted to study. I tried to not ask many questions so it wasn't like an interview, was surprisingly comfortable and relaxed the entire time, leaning back in my chair and idly making an origami thing with my chopsticks wrapper while she was talking. I said I worked a few blocks away and there were several people in my office who would probably be making regular visits, at this point she asked my name, told me hers, and offered her hand to shake. She then said she'd let me get to my food and went back into the kitchen. I was reading my book while I ate, every time she came out to help a customer or clean a table she would make eye contact if I looked up and gave me big smiles.

I wanted to ask her out so bad, the only thing I could think to do was to say something like "Hey you seem to be the active physical type, want to go climbing with me at the gym tonight?" but she was back in the kitchen when I was leaving so I didn't see her on the way out. I think it's probably 50/50 if I would have asked her out if she had been in the room, I psyched myself out a bit, thinking "It's her second day on the job, she's super outgoing and friendly with everyone, I'm at least 15 years older, it's awkward asking someone out in front of their coworkers and customers especially a place I want to eat at occasionally, she didn't give enough IOI's, etc..." I'm pleased with myself for being comfortable and highly social with her, and frustrated with myself for not taking more action.

Post: #3099

This 3d is very helpful. One of my favourite.

Post: #3100

(01-23-2017 12:19 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  Did my first ever 4 approaches. I aimed for 5 but I was out for quite a long time.

I was using the London day game model.

With all girls I opened with: hey, this is really forward of me, but you look really nice today, cheeky grin, speaking slow, eye contact.

1st girl: said she looked like a ninja for wearing all black, asked her where the sword and blades were, she laughed, but then walked of saying thanks

2nd girl: Said I liked her boots, they looked very equestrian, asked where the horse was, we talked a bit, I said she looked french, she was from Greece, we talked about how it snowed there recently, I asked some questions which I shouldnt have at that stage I guess, she was defensive, wouldnt tell me where she was from or her name, hadnt built enough comfort I guess. She said she had to go.

3rd girl: said she looked Scandinavian, she was actually english, she never fully stopped and was walking, I then said I liked how she was juggling multiple bags, she walked off.

4th girl: again didn't stop, said she looked Spanish, she wasnt, said thank you though and walked on.

Im finding stopping the girls hard, they hesitate to stop, but my stack is sh*t, I just dont really know what to say, in the model it says to point out something you notice, but saying i like your bag is boring?? I really dont know what to say on the spot.

I need to go London or something where I can just approach all day long and learn, only did 4 today which was annoying.

Any tips / hints??

Juggler/ Charisma Arts Book: Flopsy/ Focus her... (Read up on that.. you have to go where her mind already is.. and then segue from there..)