Post: #76

Yes but I also don't care about getting a high paying job. If it falls into my lap and I don't have to work too hard to stick around and not get fired, ill take it but I don't like work id rather train, read, learn, do research. Money is not important to me as long as I have enough to eat, sleep, train, travel, and fuck girls. Saw my dad bust his ass his whole life so his family could go on vacations without him and he could buy a cpl mcmansions that his kids will inherit and sell and some nice cars. Im grateful as all hell and God bless him but he sacrificed way too much in his life to make a few extra bucks.

The only thing ill need money for is travel, but as an academic you have opportunity to travel through international fellowships for months or years at a time and get paid for it.

Post: #77

Can we all at least agree on this?:

Sexting girls is Way more efficient than having actual sex with girls.

Post: #78

Makes sense given your background, when kids grow up well of some of them end up like your life style taking it easy and just enjoying the present awesome dude!

I'm from the opposite, used to be DEAD broke, so I'd rather find a way to acquire cash and just slay all day.

Hilarious quote G.

(07-06-2012 04:10 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  Yes but I also don't care about getting a high paying job. If it falls into my lap and I don't have to work too hard to stick around and not get fired, ill take it but I don't like work id rather train, read, learn, do research. Money is not important to me as long as I have enough to eat, sleep, train, travel, and fuck girls. Saw my dad bust his ass his whole life so his family could go on vacations without him and he could buy a cpl mcmansions that his kids will inherit and sell and some nice cars. Im grateful as all hell and God bless him but he sacrificed way too much in his life to make a few extra bucks.

The only thing ill need money for is travel, but as an academic you have opportunity to travel through international fellowships for months or years at a time and get paid for it.

Post: #79

(07-06-2012 02:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I hate the phone.

Have built attraction through text. Use very agro text game to gauge her sexual interest. I'll have girls sending me revealing photos before we meet.

Then again, I'm pretty good with the written word.

Often my text will be mini-erotic, with the girl as one of the characters being dominated.

Maybe it depends on the guy running it.

I'm a dark, dominant, direct guy. Over text that can come off as pretty hot.

Although I prefer the phone, I'm not gonna knock guys who use text.


If it works for you, keep doing it. Every man has a different gamestyle.


I think the lesson from this thread is to try both texting and calling, and see what works best for you.


My recommendation for most guys is to use text game for girls they've grabbed their number from in under 20 minutes, and to use calling for girls they've spent longer time with, have kissed, or banged.




There's also the issue of efficiency.


If you have 1000 girls, mass texting is 100x faster.

But if you have 1 girl, phone calling is faster.


Why? Because with texts, girls take anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 hours to respond.

And once they reply to you, you need to think about "text game" and bullshit like how long your message should be, how long you should wait before texting them back, etc. etc.


But with a phone call, you force her to show her hand. Either she picks up, or she doesn't. Leave a short voicemail, like "Hey (insert girl's name here), give me a call."

If she doesn't respond within 2 hours, she's a flake. If she does pick up the phone, you'll be able to do a quick 5 minute conversation and set up the date.

Much faster than texting over 4 hours to find out she's available on Wednesday.

Post: #80

(07-06-2012 04:39 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Makes sense given your background, when kids grow up well of some of them end up like your life style taking it easy and just enjoying the present awesome dude!

I'm from the opposite, used to be DEAD broke, so I'd rather find a way to acquire cash and just slay all day.

Hilarious quote G.

(07-06-2012 04:10 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  Yes but I also don't care about getting a high paying job. If it falls into my lap and I don't have to work too hard to stick around and not get fired, ill take it but I don't like work id rather train, read, learn, do research. Money is not important to me as long as I have enough to eat, sleep, train, travel, and fuck girls. Saw my dad bust his ass his whole life so his family could go on vacations without him and he could buy a cpl mcmansions that his kids will inherit and sell and some nice cars. Im grateful as all hell and God bless him but he sacrificed way too much in his life to make a few extra bucks.

The only thing ill need money for is travel, but as an academic you have opportunity to travel through international fellowships for months or years at a time and get paid for it.

Respect

Post: #81

(07-06-2012 04:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Can we all at least agree on this?:

Sexting girls is Way more efficient than having actual sex with girls.

This post made me lol. Omg.

In all seriousness, however, I swooped an West Coast Asian girl last night that has ONLY texted me. Got her number at a bar, and the times I called she would always text right back. She asked me a lot of questions over text that were easy to answer with yes or no.

When I was leaving the house to go get together with her I called. No answer, but a text right back again. So I wind up being 1/2 hour late, called and only got the texts. You'd think at that point they'd answer.

Here's what puzzles me: Once we got together, this girl yapped like crazy. She didn't shut up. I asked if she was coked up she talked so much.

My only theory is that she uses up all her minutes the first day of the billing cycle.

Anybody got some advice?

Aloha!

Post: #82

Texting is much worse from womens point of view than calling.The main reason being they cannot control environment during texting,they cannot catch you by surprised,hey cannot uise subtle voice intonations or play occupied,they cannot extract real information about you and they hav eto think what to write too much.A lot of women's game is lost during texting.Actually the only weapons they have is to withdraw of affectionate terms in the end of message and to answer late.Only in these ways they can create tension and suspense while they can have the same result by 1000 ways during calling,

Post: #83

(07-06-2012 11:54 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 04:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Can we all at least agree on this?:

Sexting girls is Way more efficient than having actual sex with girls.

This post made me lol. Omg.

In all seriousness, however, I swooped an West Coast Asian girl last night that has ONLY texted me. Got her number at a bar, and the times I called she would always text right back. She asked me a lot of questions over text that were easy to answer with yes or no.

When I was leaving the house to go get together with her I called. No answer, but a text right back again. So I wind up being 1/2 hour late, called and only got the texts. You'd think at that point they'd answer.

Here's what puzzles me: Once we got together, this girl yapped like crazy. She didn't shut up. I asked if she was coked up she talked so much.

My only theory is that she uses up all her minutes the first day of the billing cycle.

Anybody got some advice?

Aloha!

Lol, I have the exact same experience with asian girls. I called and they texted back, like wtf!

Post: #84

Call or text is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if you get her to meet up.

What works for one guy with a deep masculine Voice might not work for a guy juggling dozens of women. This entire "X works best, no exceptions" thinking is silly and frankly I'm surprised to hear it from self styled players/playboy.

Post: #85

(07-07-2012 09:24 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Call or text is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if you get her to meet up.

What works for one guy with a deep masculine Voice might not work for a guy juggling dozens of women. This entire "X works best, no exceptions" thinking is silly and frankly I'm surprised to hear it from self styled players/playboy.

Written by someone that has obviously never done serious business.

Side note:

I noticed you do a lot of passive/indirect insults on here. Is this a Swedish thing?

I have noticed that a lot of the UK and Canadian guys do it too.

Its a great move. Roosh doesn't pick up on it, then when someone like MikeCF or I stomps the hell out of you, Roosh notices (or you tell Roosh).

Again, great move. Real Weasely. Respect.

Quote:The only thing that matters is if you get her to meet up.

Technically this is correct.

However, anyone who has done business (or swooped a lot of girls) knows that you can have "strong meet ups" and "weak meet ups". Or even "flakes".

Or even "call closes".

Setting up a meeting by text or email is a "weak meet up".

Establishing rapport, setting an agenda, generating excitement over the phone would be a "strong meet up" if not a "lay down deal", no pun intended.

I sometimes wonder what kind of work people on here do to not understand these basic principles.

Has anyone ever seen my complain on here or on my blog about girls "flaking"?

Do you think the guys on here that constantly complain about girls "flaking" are texing girls as well?

Read into this however you guys like.

And remember:

Sexting girls is Way more efficient than having actual sex with girls.

Post: #86

Called a girl I ran into on Tuesday that I ran tight game on. Total time on the phone was less than 2 minutes. Set up a meet for tonight before I go to see the fights with my boys. 90 percent chance of fuck at her place will let the people know.

The important thing is that I spit and escalated in front of her beta orbiter while he was occupied by two of my buddies. He was just waiting around for her for about 15 or 20 minutes while I was basically molesting her on the streets of new york city.

Anyway, maybe there's something to this telephone thing. Will do both as long as I can keep convos to the bare minimum needed to set up meets.

Post: #87

Now you're getting it! Change that 90% to a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. The whole point is, texting is a "soft close" calling is a "HARD CLOSE". It again is a test to HOW MUCH DOES THIS GIRL WANT TO FUCK ME? If she picks up, best believe you are getting laid, its your bang to lose. If she refuses to chat, now you know you've got a lot of leg room to cover still.

The only time i have ever gotten "flaked on" was because of texting that was also a few years ago when my shit was much weaker than it was today.

Anyway, glad to see you're taking the chance. If you're much hotter than her you can easily get away with texting, shit you can text in 2 seconds and ignore "text" game if she thinks she's shooting above her weight. Now if you want to force that girl into your world... you call, you run the show, you have places on lock, you don't order drinks because that shit is poured for you on hello and there is no "waiting in line to get in the bar/club" you just walk in.

I would wager, never done online before, but i would wager people get flaked on a lot more because all it is is some stupid "cyber" interaction. Don't think peeps on here want to be having cyber sex, shit this is why watching porn is a waste of time.

Get aggressive, get laid. Call.

(07-07-2012 01:20 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  Called a girl I ran into on Tuesday that I ran tight game on. Total time on the phone was less than 2 minutes. Set up a meet for tonight before I go to see the fights with my boys. 90 percent chance of fuck at her place will let the people know.

The important thing is that I spit and escalated in front of her beta orbiter while he was occupied by two of my buddies. He was just waiting around for her for about 15 or 20 minutes while I was basically molesting her on the streets of new york city.

Anyway, maybe there's something to this telephone thing. Will do both as long as I can keep convos to the bare minimum needed to set up meets.

Post: #88

BTW, It wasn't the chick I fucked from Austin that I posted about in the NYC thread. I met her before, walking to the bar that I met the chick that I fucked. NYC is great, huh?

Post: #89

(07-07-2012 02:05 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  BTW, It wasn't the chick I fucked from Austin that I posted about in the NYC thread. I met her before, walking to the bar that I met the chick that I fucked. NYC is great, huh?

The fact that there was even a thread started on NYC being a cock festival made me wonder if men even had dicks anymore. I hope to be back out there in september/december-ish.

Post: #90

(07-07-2012 02:10 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-07-2012 02:05 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  BTW, It wasn't the chick I fucked from Austin that I posted about in the NYC thread. I met her before, walking to the bar that I met the chick that I fucked. NYC is great, huh?

The fact that there was even a thread started on NYC being a cock festival made me wonder if men even had dicks anymore. I hope to be back out there in september/december-ish.

nice hit me up via pm when you're in town.

Post: #91

(07-07-2012 11:10 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-07-2012 09:24 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Call or text is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if you get her to meet up.

What works for one guy with a deep masculine Voice might not work for a guy juggling dozens of women. This entire "X works best, no exceptions" thinking is silly and frankly I'm surprised to hear it from self styled players/playboy.

Written by someone that has obviously never done serious business.

G, I have the utmost respect for your contributions but this is nothing more than a cheap shot with little regard for what is actually being said.

You write the above one second and the next you state:

Quote:Setting up a meeting by text or email is a "weak meet up".

And this is where I'm wondering what "serious business" is to you. I'm in Oil/Gas, the projects I'm involved in move sums large enough for governments to change their laws to accommodate said projects (google "fracking" or "gorgon project"). It would be unheard of to set up a meeting by phone for us. Anything that's not on written record does not exist for all intents and purposes.

I don't confuse for a second the way I do business with how I handle women however. If I put on my Project-Steering-Team-meeting face when meeting women I'd end up dating my hand. Women love the smell of money, they love business that smell of money but if you try to actually talk real business with most of them their eyes will glaze over. It doesn't matter how much money is involved, most business isn't sexy. Tales of late night meetings in stuffy conference rooms pouring over seemingly minute contract details will not get any woman's panties wet. Still that's what big business looks like most of the time.

You have to give women the Hollywood portrayal of business. The perceptions is that business is carried out the way it is in The Sopranos with a sit down in a restaurant and a handshake. Cute. I wish business was handled like that but it isn't practical when you're dealing with contracts containing more zeroes than you can keep track of.

This is going OT but is actually an interesting concept so I might bring it to another thread...Point being that the rules regarding business can't always be directly translated to scoring with women.

Quote:I noticed you do a lot of passive/indirect insults on here. Is this a Swedish thing?

Its a great move. Roosh doesn't pick up on it, then when someone like MikeCF or I stomps the hell out of you, Roosh notices (or you tell Roosh).

Again, great move. Real Weasely. Respect.

Is it a new trend to make these kind of accusations and ignore the actual discussion? Seriously, that's is how women argue, by making appeals to emotion and claiming offense rather than sticking to the topic at hand. I could claim you're doing the same thing by implying I'm sicing Roosh on you (which is kinda questioning his intellect) and finishing with that "weasely" line. ...and around in circles we would go. Not very productive however and not the right place to our energies on.

With that said, I'm the last person that need any drama. Especially on a webforum. So I'm sorry if anyone felt insulted by my post, it was sincerely not my intention. I'll admit that my post above could have been worded in a better way to not appear so confrontational. Pour over some of my 1300+ posts on this forum and it should be clear that when posting I'm actually quite mellow and uninterested in any "alpha" posturing. Which makes the aforementioned post all the more uncharacteristic for me.

My intent was to point out that there can be no absolutes in this because a rule like "calling always works better than texting" is far to general to be true. You have to take into account factors such as cultural/socio-economic/age/work-load/day of the week etc etc. In the end gut feel tells me best when to apply what course of action, of course you can't teach that, but you can advocate flex.

I'm hoping we can put this behind us. I'd edit my post above but the 1h limit for editing passed before I began writing this.

Post: #92

G's a little punchy.

I'm on record as being pro-text, and he and I disagree.

If I were a sensitive little bitch, I could say, "He's coming at me!"

I may seethe like a woman: "Was that line about sexting directed at me?!"

But I don't even care.

G and I don't disagree often, but we do sometimes.

It's all good.

Men can disagree.

Men can even throw blows at each other, walk away, and be cool.

What the fuck is up with guys getting butt hurt about shit posted on the Internet.

I could see if this was a site like Oprah.

But it's a site about "alpha males" and "taking the red pill."

Guys, let me tell you something. Getting butt hurt over stupid shit is feminist garbage and a pussified reaction given to you by overprotective, helicopter parents.

If you wanna take the red pill and start being an alpha male, then stop being so sensitive.

Toughen up.

"Real talk."

Post: #93

(07-07-2012 11:31 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  G's a little punchy.

I'm on record as being pro-text, and he and I disagree.

If I were a sensitive little bitch, I could say, "He's coming at me!"

I may seethe like a woman: "Was that line about sexting directed at me?!"

But I don't even care.

G and I don't disagree often, but we do sometimes.

It's all good.

Men can disagree.

Men can even throw blows at each other, walk away, and be cool.

What the fuck is up with guys getting butt hurt about shit posted on the Internet.

I could see if this was a site like Oprah.

But it's a site about "alpha males" and "taking the red pill."

Guys, let me tell you something. Getting butt hurt over stupid shit is feminist garbage and a pussified reaction given to you by overprotective, helicopter parents.

If you wanna take the red pill and start being an alpha male, then stop being so sensitive.

Toughen up.

"Real talk."

Post: #94

Update: A mix of txt and phone was used.

Called her again. No pickup. No call back. Sent 3 rapid-fire nuclear asshole texts right after each other then took a nap.

"you are stupid I hope you choke on a bag of cocks"
"your cunt smells like rotten seafood"
"Suck a dick fattie"

She's def not fat. Probably not even 100 lbs at 5 foot 4.

She responds while I'm sleeping

"Sorry" blah blah blah excuse
"What was with those texts"

I respond back
"ha jk what are you doing tonight beautiful"

So in this case it was an EXTREME case of push-pull. I don't recommend the move to amateurs. I get a feeling of how far I can push the interaction in the asshole direction and go to the exact edge. To be honest, sometimes I overstep it, but i'd say 90 to 95 percent of girls that respond to nuclear asshole texts I've banged. I've lost bangs for sure, but it weeds out the girls who aren't super dtf.

So we set up the meet, later than expected, but it happens.

I get tired. She gets tired. I get cockblocked by her dog. Set up a day 3.

Haven't had to day 3 before a bang in a while. Kind of frustrating, but next date is my home turf so it's a lock.

So mix of phone and text was key to get the meet up.

Post: #95

donald trump once said that email was for pussies.

i have to agree with that to some degree. to get shit done or to break news good or bad, phone calls are the way to go.

but like the swedish guy said, when dealing with details and project coordination, email has been a miracle for business. keeping a record of everything everyone says and does is invaluable.

Post: #96

More reasons to call instead of text:

Quote:This happens a lot these days on campus. Like Icarus says it doesnt mean anything if she is into you. I had a horror story, was flirting with a chick back and forth and one day she gets mad for some random reason.

Fast forward a week or 2. I am sent several emails from the equal opportunity office [not realizing the connection] to help them participate in a survey. Being the good student I am thinking im helping studies I show up and they dropped a sexual harrassment bomb. Chick reported me to a faculty member and included the incriminating text conversation though obviously only half of it, but it made me look like a sleazebag. I pointed it out "where is the rest of this conversation?" and they said it didnt matter if she was flirting with me too, "the minute 1 person gets offended its harrassment." The guy [one man one woman, lol] gave a story of a couple in a who had been dating for years and sleeping together and one day the woman snaps and reports him, sexual harassment the minute she is "uncomfortable." Blown away by how fucked up the university system is I just gave them what they wanted: I agreed, apologized, acknowledge that harassment is a bad thing and that was the end of it.

Funny part, a girl sent me nude pics to my student email, they asked if i got them and I denied [thank god i did could have been kicked out of school]. THey confronted the girl who said it was a virus LMAO and she was "offended it happened." Had I acknowledged that I received the email or even worse shared the pictures with other people I wouldve been fucked. I could however say I was "offended" that I received the pictures and gotten the girl in trouble lmao what a fucking joke.

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Text conversations are JV.

Post: #97

Guys get caught up by being recorded too. Every smart phone has an audio recording function. I've used it to my advantage before. People don't expect it so they're willing to spill more.

Bottom line is txt works and phone works you can use both depending on the situation just be smart about it as the story above shows.

I don't understand why you're trying to push the issue so hard its getting annoying.

Post: #98

(07-10-2012 04:34 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  I don't understand why you're trying to push the issue so hard its getting annoying.

I will try not to make any more relevant posts on your behalf.

Post: #99

(07-09-2012 05:03 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  donald trump once said that email was for pussies.

I take that as point in favour of using email (for business). This is Donald Trump we're talking about, the guy who became the face of the Birther movement.

And don't get me started on his hair.

Post: #100

(07-10-2012 04:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 04:34 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  I don't understand why you're trying to push the issue so hard its getting annoying.

I will try not to make any more relevant posts on your behalf.

Nobody asked you to do that. I enjoy most of your posts on this forum but advocating against any txting at all and calling it JV is just bad advice and there are probably newbies who read your posts and take it to heart since you are a well respected member here.