Post: #26

I think I could be truly happy living in Montreal (for obvious reasons), despite the high taxes and shitty economy in Quebec, I plan on moving there in the next 2-3 years, just gotta bank some more coin in this shit pit I`m currently in.

Post: #27

(06-04-2012 10:35 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Toronto (suburb) - not happy.

I have been back for two years now after some time in London. Djemba Djemba makes some good points about Toronto, it is clean, nice architecture, great food and suprisingly good weather considering.

You sure?

Toronto's Opera House (2006):


LA's Opera House (2003):

Post: #28

Kona you ever heard this song before?:

Post: #29

(06-05-2012 12:24 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Kona you ever heard this song before?:

If you flip through the Honolulu radio channels you'll hear it about every 20 minutes.

This one is Ai Pohaku, check out his others, not the real video but watch that guy in barrels.




Aloha!

Post: #30

It's a journey. Sometimes you have to pay your dues before you can get to the promised land.

Post: #31

Yeah you definetely wont find the perfect place, as Roosh said is like finding the perfect women.

You may find the ideal place but not the perfect place. Also, if the ideal place is not in your home town and where you have most of your best friends, then you will always miss the factor friends in whatever place you may be. You can have all the hottest girls in one particular city, enjoy a better weather, access to a cheaper lifestyle but if you dont have your good friends there, you will always be missing that something.

Find a place that makes you feel better than any other place.

Post: #32

I think a big problem is that most people (not necessarily people here) tend to associate moving to a different environment on the level as changing themselves as a person, whether they would like to admit it or not.

This is simply not the case. While it is true that your environment will have some affect on who you are, it won't be that "one thing" that transforms you. And a lot of people do view it like that.

What moving to a different location does allow for you to do is to better express yourself in an environment that you feel more comfortable in.

Post: #33

@ pitt, I disagree, I lived in several different cities within the last 10 years and always found it easy to make close friends. I also stated that I am not talking about perfection.

The problem I have with Roosh's theory is it sounds good on paper but reality tells a different story, at least for me.

Places do change, but not that drastically. If NY was a great city to be a single guy 15 years ago, I'm pretty sure it's still a great city for a single guy now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future. Same goes for any location.

DC probably sucked years ago as much as it sucks now and will probably continue sucking years to come.

I believe there is an ideal location for everyone, but as an individual you need to have your list of qualities in order before setting out to find your slice of heaven.

I'm really hoping the established guys who have found their ideal place give details about their area and why it works for them.

Post: #34

(06-04-2012 11:53 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  Toronto

Not really my kind of city at all. It lacks a certain energy, people are for the most part very reserved with strangers and the women are arrogant and have an inflated sense of their attractiveness. (That said, I'm beginning to think that it is in some ways better for picking up than I thought and worse in other ways. The more I venture out of the Entertainment District the more I see dudes picking up (but it is still mostly a social circle game type of city). But at the same time more I venture out the more I see how race is an issue here (or maybe it is just getting worse). If you're a brother you're at a huge disadvantage not only with white, Asian and Indian women, but black women too. When I go out I'm usually the only brother who even tries.)

What city were you in before?

I don't want to derail this thread but where is there an issue being black here? Maybe there is, but I feel like either I'm oblivious, or being mixed is different. When people look at me they see "black", not "mixed" so I don't think we may share dissimilar experiences but our perception and interpretation is different.My complexion is similar to that of murderous dictator Omar Bashir of Sudan not that of Drake.

Can you be more specific on how bad it is? Yes, I get the occasional stare when I'm with a white or chinese lizard, but overt racism? Being shut out of the dating market? Not being able to pick up at all? Far from it.

You need to be a little bit more specific of instances and examples of the your experiences and what makes you think the city is bad for brothers.

I'm not discounting your point of view, I just want to find out what puts brothers at a dis-advantage from your perspective and what specifics you've had to deal what made you come to this conclusion about Toronto?

Post: #35

(06-05-2012 07:42 AM)pitt Wrote:  Yeah you definetely wont find the perfect place, as Roosh said is like finding the perfect women.

You may find the ideal place but not the perfect place. Also, if the ideal place is not in your home town and where you have most of your best friends, then you will always miss the factor friends in whatever place you may be. You can have all the hottest girls in one particular city, enjoy a better weather, access to a cheaper lifestyle but if you dont have your good friends there, you will always be missing that something.

Find a place that makes you feel better than any other place.

This is why Jiu Jitsu is so awesome for me. Allows me to travel to nearly any major city, and many 2nd tier cities, in the world and meet like minded people from day one. So much easier to get into a good social circle if you practice some kind of sport like Jiu Jitsu, or even cycling, or something like that. Jiu Jitsu is particularly good because the majority of people training it are within 10 years of my age and generally attracts a handful of people who like to go out, party and chase girls.

Post: #36

(06-05-2012 10:30 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  This is why Jiu Jitsu is so awesome for me. Allows me to travel to nearly any major city, and many 2nd tier cities, in the world and meet like minded people from day one. So much easier to get into a good social circle if you practice some kind of sport like Jiu Jitsu, or even cycling, or something like that. Jiu Jitsu is particularly good because the majority of people training it are within 10 years of my age and generally attracts a handful of people who like to go out, party and chase girls.

Boxing and surfing have the same value proposition.

Post: #37

I have accepted there is no perfect city. As I am location independent, I will make a base somewhere in Europe, Europe is the best continent(most cultured, best pussy, logistics etc) then I will travel the world at will.

Will probably buy property in Budapest, Belgrade, or Lvov and call that home. All have low cost of living, hot women, safe, not very multicultural etc.

Post: #38

I'm happy where I am right now and I live near probably the most dude heavy city in the country "DC". I think i'm content for now because after reading this forum and hearing guys complain about the same things we do in DC. 1)Sausagefests 2)6s with inflated egos 3) Not enough thin/feminine women.

I have a decent size social circle here after attending the same college as roosh did for undergrad...grad school in dc and now living in the burbs.

I also have an advantage of living near 2 international airports, Union station and I-95.

I'm still relatively young so I don't mind paying my dues here for a few more years while traveling and making money.

Post: #39

(06-05-2012 09:53 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 11:53 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  Toronto

Not really my kind of city at all. It lacks a certain energy, people are for the most part very reserved with strangers and the women are arrogant and have an inflated sense of their attractiveness. (That said, I'm beginning to think that it is in some ways better for picking up than I thought and worse in other ways. The more I venture out of the Entertainment District the more I see dudes picking up (but it is still mostly a social circle game type of city). But at the same time more I venture out the more I see how race is an issue here (or maybe it is just getting worse). If you're a brother you're at a huge disadvantage not only with white, Asian and Indian women, but black women too. When I go out I'm usually the only brother who even tries.)

What city were you in before?

I don't want to derail this thread but where is there an issue being black here? Maybe there is, but I feel like either I'm oblivious, or being mixed is different. When people look at me they see "black", not "mixed" so I don't think we may share dissimilar experiences but our perception and interpretation is different.My complexion is similar to that of murderous dictator Omar Bashir of Sudan not that of Drake.

Can you be more specific on how bad it is? Yes, I get the occasional stare when I'm with a white or chinese lizard, but overt racism? Being shut out of the dating market? Not being able to pick up at all? Far from it.

You need to be a little bit more specific of instances and examples of the your experiences and what makes you think the city is bad for brothers.

I'm not discounting your point of view, I just want to find out what puts brothers at a dis-advantage from your perspective and what specifics you've had to deal what made you come to this conclusion about Toronto?

I think being mixed is different, though it doesn't sound like you're that dark. Anyway, you basically have to have exceptional -- be extremely good looking or very rich -- to compensate for being black right now. I have had women look at me like I'm one of the best looking guy they've ever seen and still be reluctant to dance with me.

But I'll tell you what confirms for me beyond all reasonable doubt that being black is a huge negative right now. (Edit: I mean this is the icing on the cake as far as evidence is concerned.) I often get second looks and girls checking me out after they've rejected me (somethings seconds or minutes after, so it is not because they've drunk more and gotten drunk). I don't usually approach again (I made a thread about this), but that's beside the point right now. The question is why would something like that be often happening to a guy as good looking as I am? The answer is that as soon girls see that I'm black, they go into reject mode and don't even take a good look at me.

If with everything I have going for me I'm still struggling, I know that there must be a lot of brothers who get no attention at all. And I see this when I go out; brothers not even trying because know what's going to happen if they do.

Do you at least agree that most sisters are not into brothers right now?

Like I said, it is more obvious that being black is more a negative in certain venues (bars with a lot of U of T girls are probably the worst). The thing is that venues where it is less of an issue are no good. I've actually come around to Gixxer's view (if you recall what he said in the NYC vs Toronto thread). Richmond may be shit, but it may be the best place to go if you're black, the place where being black will be less of a negative.

Post: #40

(06-05-2012 10:36 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  I have accepted there is no perfect city. As I am location independent, I will make a base somewhere in Europe, Europe is the best continent(most cultured, best pussy, logistics etc) then I will travel the world at will.

Will probably buy property in Budapest, Belgrade, or Lvov and call that home. All have low cost of living, hot women, safe, not very multicultural etc.

What does a two bedroom two bath apartment in the most desirable hood for nightlife, and swooping run in those cities ball park?

Why would you buy instead of rent?

Post: #41

Toronto does suck for dating. It took me a while to get the hang of it but I think I do now.
For me, I came from much harsher cities so Toronto seemed alright for me.
What it is crucial for Toronto is social circle.

I have always been a solo type of cat and that kills me in Toronto. I did a lot of solo runs when I arrived here and I struck out like a mofo. Yea, I went on dates and I banged a few but I was banging below my credentials through no fault of my own.

Now as time has passed in Toronto, I am moving with different circles. The key is to always hunt in every venue one is in and just rely on the law of averages.

As to whether there is a huge disadvantage to being black in Toronto when it comes to dating, I don't think so. I went out with my friend the other day (he is black) and this pinay was very flirtatious with us. She was pretty and she was working the bar and gave him a free drink.

Toronto is a weird place. You have to just take everything very nonchalantly. The moment you care, is the moment it consumes you. Stop caring. Hunt. Have several lizards on the go. They are doing the same. Remember that it is a woman's city.

One lizard the other day accused me of having a woman and blah blah. I laughed her off. I told her when she is ready come over to my place but we are not going on any more dates (we went on one and I let her pay for it).

It really depends on what group you are trying to penetrate. You have to hustle the bastards. I can put on different dialects and accents and intonations and I change them according to the group I am with. When I have eaten what I need, then the 'real' me comes out.

Indefatigable, since you are a black dude, try and swag up American side. I told you Torontonians look up to Americans (wannabe New York in Toronto). Wear some American garb and you might close out a few more lizards. Get a wifey. Then hunt on the side. That is the Toronto way.

Remember, it is a woman's city so the odds are tipped against you.

Post: #42

(06-05-2012 10:58 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 10:36 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  I have accepted there is no perfect city. As I am location independent, I will make a base somewhere in Europe, Europe is the best continent(most cultured, best pussy, logistics etc) then I will travel the world at will.

Will probably buy property in Budapest, Belgrade, or Lvov and call that home. All have low cost of living, hot women, safe, not very multicultural etc.

What does a two bedroom two bath apartment in the most desirable hood for nightlife, and swooping run in those cities ball park?

Why would you buy instead of rent?

In Budapest I would guestimate around 100k-120k Euro. Belgrade about the same. Lvov 80k.

Renting is fine, but i've been doing for it for too long now. Want a place I can call my own, decorate it how I want, furnish it, etc.

Post: #43

I've only been to Italy, Germany, and Mexico, but I've travelled all over the U.S.

As long as I'm living in the U.S., I don't think I'll ever live anywhere except L.A. I felt at home in Italy but I don't really have the means to live there full time. And the women were dogs (I was in Tuscany, I'm aware it's extremely different in cities)

L.A.:

Yes, the ratio of men to women is unfavorable here, but out of those women, a much higher percentage of them are far more attractive than many other parts of the U.S.

Job opportunities are plenty. I'm making a very good living right now.

The motherfucking weather. You just can't beat it.

The nightlife. Okay, last call is 1:45, I know it's lame as shit, but regardless, there's something for everyone.

Decent pickup scene, though I don't have anything to compare it to. There are roadblocks like logistics and a high flake rate, but I've had a pretty good time gaming girls here. For the most part, L.A. chicks are laid back and approachable, unless they get in the 8+ range and that's where they start obsessing with your status. You can just bullshit around that anyway.

Food is awesome. Best asian food in the country, beating SF and NY in Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Thai.

I just feel home here.

CONS:
Traffic
smog
superficiality
not the cheapest place to live, but still cheaper than SF and NY
it's a bit of a concrete jungle, but there's the beach and santa monica mountains for nature getaways.
Poor city design. It can take an hour to go 7 miles.

Post: #44

How's the online dating scene in Toronto? I hear it's the online dating capital of the world. Any guys here having success pulling (non-fat, non-troll) Toronto lizards online?

Post: #45

Some of you guys are broken records with your D.C. and Toronto hate, we get it, it sucks there. Now find something else to complain about please.

Post: #46

thedude3737 -

Southern California in general is a great place, if you want to stay in one place and not travel.

The nightlife laws suck, drinking laws suck, smoking laws suck and it's a police state, but on a 12 month basis, it is pretty hard to beat.

If you have the ability to move around, however, it sinks pretty quick.

You should check out Spain, it really matches CA on every level:

The north coast matches Northern California for beauty and beaches. Better food too.

The Med matches Southern California on beaches and weather.

The surf on the north coast is good too.

Not to mention two island chains. And a south Atlantic coastline.

Spain matches CA blow for blow.

Pretty damn impressive for a small country.

Post: #47

(06-05-2012 11:14 AM)Moma Wrote:  Toronto does suck for dating. It took me a while to get the hang of it but I think I do now.
For me, I came from much harsher cities so Toronto seemed alright for me.
What it is crucial for Toronto is social circle.

I have always been a solo type of cat and that kills me in Toronto. I did a lot of solo runs when I arrived here and I struck out like a mofo. Yea, I went on dates and I banged a few but I was banging below my credentials through no fault of my own.

Now as time has passed in Toronto, I am moving with different circles. The key is to always hunt in every venue one is in and just rely on the law of averages.

As to whether there is a huge disadvantage to being black in Toronto when it comes to dating, I don't think so. I went out with my friend the other day (he is black) and this pinay was very flirtatious with us. She was pretty and she was working the bar and gave him a free drink.

Toronto is a weird place. You have to just take everything very nonchalantly. The moment you care, is the moment it consumes you. Stop caring. Hunt. Have several lizards on the go. They are doing the same. Remember that it is a woman's city.

One lizard the other day accused me of having a woman and blah blah. I laughed her off. I told her when she is ready come over to my place but we are not going on any more dates (we went on one and I let her pay for it).

It really depends on what group you are trying to penetrate. You have to hustle the bastards. I can put on different dialects and accents and intonations and I change them according to the group I am with. When I have eaten what I need, then the 'real' me comes out.

Indefatigable, since you are a black dude, try and swag up American side. I told you Torontonians look up to Americans (wannabe New York in Toronto). Wear some American garb and you might close out a few more lizards. Get a wifey. Then hunt on the side. That is the Toronto way.

Remember, it is a woman's city so the odds are tipped against you.

I agree. I also really don't find many issues with being a black man in Toronto at all.

@ Indefatigable what spots are you hitting?

Go to Parts and Labour when they having there female DJ jam called 'Bitch Craft'. I have picked up the female DJ's from that jam twice now. Go hit on the redhead DJ Cocca, or the blonde Shannon they like brothers . I was shooting fish in a barrel at that spot. I think you may just be hitting wack spots man.

I am not that niaeve but I never let my race hold me back from what I want in/from a women. Its just like the argument I made in the "Do looks matter..." thread. It's a self cannibalizing thing once you start thinking shit like looks and race hurt your game in a overt major way. It fucks your back brain up and then starts to hurt your actual overt game. In spots where ethinc and racial tensions are high or backwards... okay.... but in 85% of Canada + USA shit is a non-issue IMO.

Don't get me wrong as I search for spots to settle in I do take race into considration. But this is only for spots overseas outside of North America tho.

Back on topic now.

For me I need a City that forces me to step my game up on all fronts. Toronto is to tame and its easy to chill. Compared to the slowness of the Plains that I am used to its like a 100m dash but in the grand scheme in comparison to most USA Cities its shit - aside from the South USA - its way to tame here. Its easy to get complacent and lazy in Toronto.

- You get okay money
-You can/could fuck marginally ok women
- you can go out and do some marginally ok things
- you deal with marginally ok weather

Evreything just be okay and half-assed to the max. Fuck that. I need a place that holds a gun to my head (figuratively) evrey day. Where I know I can wake up and try to compete and better myself (with others that are doing the same). While still having the size and action of a big City to keep my entertained. NYC fits this. My senses are in top gear each time I roll through there. But its too bloody expensive. So I keep looking.

Spots in the Mid-west catch my eye as do spots near the NYC area like large towns in North Jersey. These places appear cheap and maybe job prospects are slimmer but for what I am going for school for I think I can manage. A cheap place to save some cash up and bounce!

Post: #48

(06-05-2012 12:41 PM)kosko Wrote:  Evreything just be okay and half-assed to the max. Fuck that. I need a place that holds a gun to my head (figuratively) evrey day. Where I know I can wake up and try to compete and better myself (with others that are doing the same). While still having the size and action of a big City to keep my entertained. NYC fits this. My senses are in top gear each time I roll through there. But its too bloody expensive. So I keep looking.

Chicago? SF? LA? Miami?

Post: #49

(06-04-2012 11:55 PM)scotian Wrote:  I think I could be truly happy living in Montreal (for obvious reasons), despite the high taxes and shitty economy in Quebec, I plan on moving there in the next 2-3 years, just gotta bank some more coin in this shit pit I`m currently in.

Scotian, are you still in Colombia? Which city? Hope it's not the shit-pit you were referring to. Love me some some Colombia!

Post: #50

I've never been to SF, LA, or MIA. SF weather and City wise is perfect for me. But I've herd its a beacon for mannish feminists just like Toronto. The Bay Area would seem good for somebody whom is older maintain a good bank roll and settling down.

Chicago is cool. But its pretty much Toronto with nicer buildings and more friendly women. They share a lot of characteristics. If I had to choose between the two I would stay in Toronto just to remain in Canada.

Miami seems like it does not have a legitimate economy? I really don't hear much about South Florida other then it being full or rich kats escaping taxes, and old people. Miami was built with drug money and is maintained now by service and tourism. I would ideally want something more rounded. For established kats its a gold mine, but for me still having to get my stripes and earn some coin it would be tough.

LA again nice weather but the City from what I read its to spread out. I like tight compact cities where things are close by transit, train, or a quick drive. I study Policy with areas in urban design, and development law. LA is like the anti-thesis of what I am about. Economically LA you get do your thing. Its a service city but they have enough things going on for its size you can get a cheque if you have the right things going on.

I need spots with robust and rounded economies like: Boston, DC, Seattle, etc but just not as wack or boring.

Bay Area is tempting though I just really need to make a trip out there and see if there's a spot I could carve out my mesh in. If I could transplant the vibe of NYC and its women to SF with that weather and scenery i'd be sold.

So that's where I am stuck thinking outside of North America. A economic City with enough stuff going on a man can live and be happy. So like others in the post hoping ideas just get swished around on different spots to shed more info on lifestyles.

Montreal is ideal but like others have noted you can't make no money there. Good paying jobs are few and far between.