Post: #26

(05-12-2012 03:35 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Hah! El Mechs pic of the TV dinner is the FIRST thing that came to mind when I read this.

On a side note, is anyone else craving some fuckin TV dinner Salisbury steak right now? I must be hungry....

I love those things. I'm going to start a new thread.

Post: #27

(05-12-2012 02:35 AM)BLarsen Wrote:  If you were making an NBA salary you wouldn't pay like 1 grand to fly her out (and car service) to pound that gigantic ass for a few days???

I wouldn't. For a grand you can get a much better looking callgirl for the whole weekend who'd do everything you ask and leaves when it's time with no complains or retarded blog posts. As a bonus you'd be fucking within minutes, not hours, she'll pay for her own steak, and there will be no bullshit drama.

Post: #28

oldnem: Most of your posts recently have been pushing a p4p element to them, or at least trying to justify that viewpoint. You know this isn't the forum for that.

MGTOW forums is where you can better make that argument.

The basketball player is rich/famous and leveraged that to fly out a SPECIFIC girl he wanted that is not normally a prostitute. To compare that to get just getting a local escort is not the same.

Post: #29

(05-13-2012 04:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  oldnem: Most of your posts recently have been pushing a p4p element to them, or at least trying to justify that viewpoint. You know this isn't the forum for that.

MGTOW forums is where you can better make that argument.

The basketball player is rich/famous and leveraged that to fly out a SPECIFIC girl he wanted that is not normally a prostitute. To compare that to get just getting a local escort is not the same.

I think also, as a side note to this, is that another supposed benefit of using hookers/call girls is discretion and privacy. That isn't true either. At some point, they run their mouths about their high profile clients, or when their pimp/madam gets busted, your name always turns up in the black book or computer. As Roosh touched on, flying a chick out conveys your status. A lot of married athletes have the wife at home, and the "road wife," a chick that follows them around, with the athlete paying her way.

Post: #30

(05-12-2012 04:27 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  As a bonus you'd be fucking within minutes, not hours, she'll pay for her own steak, and there will be no bullshit drama.

There's no guarantee any woman will keep her word.

The only incentive a hooker has to keep her mouth shut is to make sure she doesn't scare away potential customers.

But what if one of your customers is a high profile guy like an NBA superstar? Writing a book talking about how you were his call-girl for years is more lucrative than being a hooker in your late 30's and beyond.


Furthermore, hookers have STD's from all the nasty men they fuck. What if this NBA star wanted some cleaner ass from a woman who actually desired him back?

Post: #31

New term:

blam•ster [blam stər]

noun
1. Black hamster: her blamster went into overdrive as she accused her lover of being a sexual predator when her calls went ignored.
2. An aggressive type of female hamster, generally belonging to an overweight woman, typically of African American origin: Jasmine's blamster nearly died of exhaustion when he didn't return her call for a week.

verb
1. [ intrans. ] An aggressive or emasculating act predicated upon the blamster: she went blamster on the Jerry Springer show.

Post: #32

(05-11-2012 02:31 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  ..Really though, what bugs me about this story is how not attractive that girl is, yet she got FLOWN OUT to get fucked? Really? Come on man.

(05-12-2012 02:35 AM)BLarsen Wrote:  ..If you were making an NBA salary you wouldn't pay like 1 grand to fly her out (and car service) to pound that gigantic ass for a few days???

When you consider the money he is making, the plane ticket is NOTHING.

Lets put it into perspective. The article says that the guy was Kenyon Martin, and since he flew her to Denver I am assuming that this was while he was playing with the Nuggets. In his last year with the Denver Nuggets he was paid $16.5 MILLION.

This girl is from Dallas. A last minute round trip ticket from Dallas to Denver cost less than $1,000. But lets say it is $1,000 for the sake of argument.

$1,000 for a guy making $16.5 MIlLLION is 0.006% of his income. Now, take your average dude making $50,000 a year. For that average guy, that would be the equivalent of spending $3 on a chick. THREE FUCKING DOLLARS!! In most cities, that is bus fare and a transfer.

How many dudes here would refuse to pay $3 in bus fare for some chick to come over to your house and be your little fuck toy for the weekend? All he did was the equivalent of giving the chick bus fare.

This shows how some dudes are balling at a completely different level than 99.9% of the rest of us. The fact that the plane ticket seems like such a big deal to some guys on this forum (and definitely was a big deal to this groupie) illustrates this point perfectly.

Post: #33

(05-15-2012 02:44 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(05-11-2012 02:31 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  ..Really though, what bugs me about this story is how not attractive that girl is, yet she got FLOWN OUT to get fucked? Really? Come on man.

(05-12-2012 02:35 AM)BLarsen Wrote:  ..If you were making an NBA salary you wouldn't pay like 1 grand to fly her out (and car service) to pound that gigantic ass for a few days???

When you consider the money he is making, the plane ticket is NOTHING.

Lets put it into perspective. The article says that the guy was Kenyon Martin, and since he flew her to Denver I am assuming that this was while he was playing with the Nuggets. In his last year with the Denver Nuggets he was paid $16.5 MILLION.

This girl is from Dallas. A last minute round trip ticket from Dallas to Denver cost less than $1,000. But lets say it is $1,000 for the sake of argument.

$1,000 for a guy making $16.5 MIlLLION is 0.006% of his income. Now, take your average dude making $50,000 a year. For that average guy, that would be the equivalent of spending $3 on a chick. THREE FUCKING DOLLARS!! In most cities, that is bus fare and a transfer.

How many dudes here would refuse to pay $3 in bus fare for some chick to come over to your house and be your little fuck toy for the weekend? All he did was the equivalent of giving the chick bus fare.

This shows how some dudes are balling at a completely different level than 99.9% of the rest of us. The fact that the plane ticket seems like such a big deal to some guys on this forum (and definitely was a big deal to this groupie) illustrates this point perfectly.

This hits the nail on the head. I am sure most of the daters here spend more than 3 dollars on a coffee date. Or, if you go and scoop the lizard up, your gas total from yours to hers, comes up as higher than 3 dollars.

Post: #34

(05-14-2012 07:09 PM)durangotang Wrote:  New term:

blam•ster [blam stər]

noun
1. Black hamster: her blamster went into overdrive as she accused her lover of being a sexual predator when her calls went ignored.
2. An aggressive type of female hamster, generally belonging to an overweight woman, typically of African American origin: Jasmine's blamster nearly died of exhaustion when he didn't return her call for a week.

verb
1. [ intrans. ] An aggressive or emasculating act predicated upon the blamster: she went blamster on the Jerry Springer show.

Ha ha ha. Right on. Yeah there's a separate blamster thought process characterized by 1) extreme dedication to flamboyant external status ("baller"), 2) acute fear that (blonde) white woman caused hamstering issue, 3) belief that gigantic butt provides entre to extreme entitlement.

Of course we must differentiate between blamersting and Buppamstering (black urban professional women), as the latter conversely eschews gaudy flamboyance but is really picky with a two page-long checklist full of subtle requirements.

Post: #35

(05-15-2012 02:44 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(05-11-2012 02:31 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  ..Really though, what bugs me about this story is how not attractive that girl is, yet she got FLOWN OUT to get fucked? Really? Come on man.

(05-12-2012 02:35 AM)BLarsen Wrote:  ..If you were making an NBA salary you wouldn't pay like 1 grand to fly her out (and car service) to pound that gigantic ass for a few days???

When you consider the money he is making, the plane ticket is NOTHING.

Lets put it into perspective. The article says that the guy was Kenyon Martin, and since he flew her to Denver I am assuming that this was while he was playing with the Nuggets. In his last year with the Denver Nuggets he was paid $16.5 MILLION.

This girl is from Dallas. A last minute round trip ticket from Dallas to Denver cost less than $1,000. But lets say it is $1,000 for the sake of argument.

$1,000 for a guy making $16.5 MIlLLION is 0.006% of his income. Now, take your average dude making $50,000 a year. For that average guy, that would be the equivalent of spending $3 on a chick. THREE FUCKING DOLLARS!! In most cities, that is bus fare and a transfer.

How many dudes here would refuse to pay $3 in bus fare for some chick to come over to your house and be your little fuck toy for the weekend? All he did was the equivalent of giving the chick bus fare.

This shows how some dudes are balling at a completely different level than 99.9% of the rest of us. The fact that the plane ticket seems like such a big deal to some guys on this forum (and definitely was a big deal to this groupie) illustrates this point perfectly.

You missed the point. Im not asking why'd he spend money to fly a girl out, Im asking why would he spend it fly THAT girl out. Get a homegrown sweetie on the jet, not some hoochie hoodrat.

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A culinary website for men

Post: #36

Quote:You missed the point. Im not asking why'd he spend money to fly a girl out, Im asking why would he spend it fly THAT girl out. Get a homegrown sweetie on the jet, not some hoochie hoodrat.

You're arguing a subjective taste. Has there ever been a case where a guy didn't agree with you on the attractiveness of a girl?

"See, I could have me a good girl
And still be addicted to them hoodrats"

Post: #37

(05-15-2012 04:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:You missed the point. Im not asking why'd he spend money to fly a girl out, Im asking why would he spend it fly THAT girl out. Get a homegrown sweetie on the jet, not some hoochie hoodrat.

You're arguing a subjective taste. Has there ever been a case where a guy didn't agree with you on the attractiveness of a girl?

"See, I could have me a good girl
And still be addicted to them hoodrats"

This is the old Tiger Woods argument: why did he go after those low-rent skanks when he could have scored some real college cuties just as easily?

Why do guys eat at Burger King?
Why do girls wear flip-flops?
Why do people buy Ikea furniture?

Because it's easy, available, and familiar. Same reason here.

Post: #38

(05-15-2012 05:16 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 04:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:You missed the point. Im not asking why'd he spend money to fly a girl out, Im asking why would he spend it fly THAT girl out. Get a homegrown sweetie on the jet, not some hoochie hoodrat.

You're arguing a subjective taste. Has there ever been a case where a guy didn't agree with you on the attractiveness of a girl?

"See, I could have me a good girl
And still be addicted to them hoodrats"

This is the old Tiger Woods argument: why did he go after those low-rent skanks when he could have scored some real college cuties just as easily?

Why do guys eat at Burger King?
Why do girls wear flip-flops?
Why do people buy Ikea furniture?

Because it's easy, available, and familiar. Same reason here.

Thats an answer I'll take. I agree there's a lot of subjectiveness inregards to taste in women, but there's also pretty clearly defined concepts of whats better and whats worse.


I think familiar might be the biggest factor. Almost everyone has facets of their life where they'd rather stick with the old standby rather than trying something new, simply because they know while it might not be the best, its not that bad.

Chef In Jeans
A culinary website for men

Post: #39

Well, let me tell you guys that we have a very different set of values. First I don't give shit about the connection with a one night stand. In fact I prefer NOT to have any connections with her, in the best case I don't even know her name, nor I care about those things. Second, if any money is involved which are spent on getting sex, I always compare it with the obvious cost of sex to prevent the situations when you're overpaying for the same shit. But since we obviously won't be able to accept each others positions, let's me just say it again that I don't really understand this guy and his motivations, nor I'd do it myself, and that to me what he did is not too far away from p4p even though for you guys it seems to be very different.

Post: #40

Oldnem - Do one night stands exist in your country as a general culture? Do people make a big deal of them as they do in North America etc? Did you indulge in them to a great deal? Because you seem to be equating everything to a hard dollar amount. I see what you are saying but we have to look into the whole psychology behind the event.

There is a fine nuance between the psychology of P4P and dating a lizard.

When you pay for it directly, it's a transaction with an explicit agreement that sex will occur.
When you go on dates (even though some guys pay more for date than P4P), it is not explicit that sex will occur. Hence, the psychology of the reptile will be different.

Also, there is something about when you pay for sex directly, the lizard loses some respect for the man who paid.

However, this might be different in other countries, so culture should be considered in regards to the approach.

Again, since he has lots of money, buying a 1000 dollar plane ticket for was no different than paying for a 5 dollar cab for her to come over.

Post: #41

(05-16-2012 01:07 PM)Moma Wrote:  Oldnem - Do one night stands exist in your country? Did you indulge in them? Because you seem to be equating everything to a hard dollar amount. I see what you are saying but we have to look into the whole psychology behind the event.

There is a fine nuance between the psychology of P4P and dating a lizard.

When you pay for it directly, it's a transaction with an explicit agreement that sex will occur.
When you go on dates (even though some guys pay more for date than P4P), it is not explicit that sex will occur. Hence, the psychology of the reptile will be different.

Also, there is something about when you pay for sex directly, the lizard loses some respect for the man who paid.

He's married Moma. Most the married dudes I know think that way about strange. They pay. It's done. No need for dinner and getting to know eachother it's a waste of time. Plus add in some drama..

Post: #42

el mech - Yea, I know he is married but surely he remembers how it is when he wasn't married? And really, when you have a status (especially in America), getting a one night stand is as easy as farting after eating some rotten cabbage.
I know not one guy in the NBA that would struggle with lizards. From Sam Cassell to Steve Nash, those guys eat gloriously but for the bat of an eyelid.

So really, this leveraging that Kenyon Martin did was standard procedure.

Post: #43

For most of these athletes, they're married at home, but single on the road. I remember the hilarious arrangement Doug Christie had with his wife. They were so in love that before free throws, he had a little hand motion or something he did before he shot as a signal to his wife. She followed him on all of his road trips to prevent him from banging other chicks. She knew what was out there on the road, and neither of them wanted to risk him getting tempted. Doug and a couple of other teammates got into a scuffle with their opponents entering the tunnel after a game, and she jumped into THAT, swinging her purse at one of the opposing players!

Post: #44

What a stupid bitch!?? What does she have to complain about.

She got some grade A dick, got a steak, HUNG OUT for a couple days then went back?? This particular quote really makes me laugh.. "Demand that they fly you out, put you in a hotel and DO NOT FCUK them. If they get mad, oh well was nothing gained or lost."

At that point you drop her off.. outside the window of the hotel you put her up at.

What is so silly about this is she GOT a ton of value. What is she bitching about after the fact?

Post: #45

(05-16-2012 06:11 PM)Manwhore Wrote:  What a stupid bitch!?? What does she have to complain about.

She got some grade A dick, got a steak, HUNG OUT for a couple days then went back?? This particular quote really makes me laugh.. "Demand that they fly you out, put you in a hotel and DO NOT FCUK them. If they get mad, oh well was nothing gained or lost."

At that point you drop her off.. outside the window of the hotel you put her up at.

What is so silly about this is she GOT a ton of value. What is she bitching about after the fact?

Failing to lock down an alpha male produces severe bitterness of the female mind.