Post: #51

(04-26-2012 08:46 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 08:40 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  i think my game has to be tighter than ever in a LTR

I disagree. I think it takes much tighter game to pull several new girls per month than it does to keep one girl hanging around for a few months. I fucked 25 new girls last year. I could have easily snagged a LTR with one or two of those girls as opposed to pulling a new one every 2 weeks.

But now I'm done posting on this topic. I already said what I wanted to say. I don't feel like reiterating it for every newbie who want's to try to argue his point by intentionally misconstruing what I have written just so they can disagree with me. This wasn't directed at reaper23, btw.

I have had similar numbers and streaks like you are talking about. Once the system is in place, it is easy. Like auto pilot. Gaming a girl to bed is not nearly as hard as gaming a high value female into becoming and staying your sex slave, kitchen hand and oncall back scratcher.

Keeping her pussy wet and into you all the time takes a continual evolution of your game because things are always changing.

thats what i mean about keeping my game tight.

Post: #52

(04-26-2012 12:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  So many rich guys get divorced, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You were talking about LTR, and now you're talking about marriage. Those are different things (for example a woman could get rich by breaking the marriage, but this couldn't happen in LTR), so this ain't fair to switch a topic this way.

Quote:You're also wrong about game not helping keep a woman, because the best way to keep a woman is to remain an attractive man, which means keeping your game tight.

It is very easy to get your game tight when you see a chick twice a week (and you don't see her when you're in a bad mood, sick or tired as hell). Too bad you haven't been in an LTR where you lived together yet. I'd like to hear how you keep your game tight when you're suffering from a bad flu.

Post: #53

(04-26-2012 03:03 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 12:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Most men do not desire sex merely for it's own sake. They want the woman to desire them back as well, it's far more pleasurable.

This creates an interesting question. If the main value is coming from her desiring the real you, why game? You do understand that the reason she's having sex with you is because you put her through the emotional ride using the psychology tricks (that's basically game). She is not having sex with you because she likes you; she'd go with any other dude doing the same to her. In essence she doesn't like you, she liked your game, which is something you've got good at. What's then the difference versus her liking your money, which is something you've got good at? A philosophical question I guess.

And how long would it last? During the last three years I slowly came to a point where I realized that the validation doesn't matter to me anymore. Partially this was an effect of living in America where you're being praised for just not shitting your pants - but most of it comes indeed from my understanding that the way the majority of this world thinks is so different from mine that their opinion is essentially useless to me.

This is one of the realest comments I've seen in a while

The question itself is just as much one of female psychology as it is one of the philosophy of game.

Female desire is not remotely valuable or even rewarding. The fleeting nature of that desire renders it meaningless aside from the moments she's asking you to fuck her. I feel like my ability to see women for what they are, has robbed me of extracting any sort of deep satisfaction or creating any kind of deep connection in my personal relationships with them.

Ignorance can be bliss in so many aspects of life. Maybe hopeless betas will be infinitely happier than we ever will be. They may never realize that their wives secretly resent them and fantasize about the alternatives.. They believe in love the way a child believes in Santa Clause.

Can somebody tell me what the meaning of life is? Just kidding. But not really..

Post: #54

(04-26-2012 03:03 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 12:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Most men do not desire sex merely for it's own sake. They want the woman to desire them back as well, it's far more pleasurable.

This creates an interesting question. If the main value is coming from her desiring the real you, why game? You do understand that the reason she's having sex with you is because you put her through the emotional ride using the psychology tricks (that's basically game). She is not having sex with you because she likes you; she'd go with any other dude doing the same to her. In essence she doesn't like you, she liked your game, which is something you've got good at. What's then the difference versus her liking your money, which is something you've got good at? A philosophical question I guess.

And how long would it last? During the last three years I slowly came to a point where I realized that the validation doesn't matter to me anymore. Partially this was an effect of living in America where you're being praised for just not shitting your pants - but most of it comes indeed from my understanding that the way the majority of this world thinks is so different from mine that their opinion is essentially useless to me.

The thing is, there is no such thing as you. What are you, exactly? Define yourself please?

A girl liking you for your game is still a girl who loves a man for his behavior; and the only person who can give her that behavior is you. Game is always unique to the man who runs the game, no two alpha's run the same game.

Money, on the other hand - that's common to any man who has money.

Post: #55

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Post: #56

(04-26-2012 03:12 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 12:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  So many rich guys get divorced, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You were talking about LTR, and now you're talking about marriage. Those are different things (for example a woman could get rich by breaking the marriage, but this couldn't happen in LTR), so this ain't fair to switch a topic this way.

Okay, you're right that marriages aren't the same at LTR's. However, I figure LTR's eventually turn into marriages anyways, so marriages are a good standard to measure.


Let's consider a different example: I know a doctor who makes 400K per year. The dude dates lots of different women.

He complains about his love life all the time. He isn't satisfied with the women he dates, and claims they're all gold diggers. He's tired of sifting through the bullshit, and most of the time he doesn't even give a fuck about dating girls too much.

He would be 100x better off with game over money.

Quote:

Quote:You're also wrong about game not helping keep a woman, because the best way to keep a woman is to remain an attractive man, which means keeping your game tight.

It is very easy to get your game tight when you see a chick twice a week (and you don't see her when you're in a bad mood, sick or tired as hell). Too bad you haven't been in an LTR where you lived together yet. I'd like to hear how you keep your game tight when you're suffering from a bad flu.

Well, the way to enter a relationship is very slowly. You start off only seeing her once or twice a week, and gradually increase as she demands to see you more often.

The more she wants to see you, the more she's falling in love with you. Eventually she wants to see you all the time, and that's when you've got it in the bag. Sit back and relax, let her chase, pamper, and follow you around for the next few years.

You'll probably have to move in with her, but that's okay. When that happens, you must make sure she knows she's living on your terms, and you mustn't tolerate any bad behavior on her part. If you have the flu, lie in bed until you get well. She will probably baby you and take care of you until you're better.

It's actually easier than it sounds, because once you've successfully gotten a woman to fall for you (takes about three months), she'll do ass to mouth with you and never question anything you do.

The hard part is always in the beginning; establishing the tone of the relationship then is vital and easy to fuck up.

I would say getting an LTR is like taming a wild horse; they're fucking nuts at first, but once you get the domination down properly, and show her that she must work hard to keep you, she'll fall into a pattern of working for your attention all the time.

Post: #57

Sam you make it sound so easy. From my experience and my friend's its nothing like that.

I agree with old nemesis though, guys like to tease themselves. I'd rather pay for a prostitute, but busting a nut is only half of it. Some guys are not machines and need for a woman to love them, which prostitutes cant provide.

Post: #58

(04-26-2012 03:12 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 12:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  So many rich guys get divorced, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You were talking about LTR, and now you're talking about marriage. Those are different things (for example a woman could get rich by breaking the marriage, but this couldn't happen in LTR), so this ain't fair to switch a topic this way.

Quote:You're also wrong about game not helping keep a woman, because the best way to keep a woman is to remain an attractive man, which means keeping your game tight.

It is very easy to get your game tight when you see a chick twice a week (and you don't see her when you're in a bad mood, sick or tired as hell). Too bad you haven't been in an LTR where you lived together yet. I'd like to hear how you keep your game tight when you're suffering from a bad flu.

There is an important differentiation between "LTR" where you still have the mask on ( dating a a few nights a week/month, keeping vague or secret what you do other periods of time) and living together where you both presume you will be sleeping together each night except for planned absences like biz trips.

As Nemesis says, when you LIVE with someone it's totally different, you can't keep the mask on all the time. If someone thinks you can, qualify yourself first by saying you lived with and slept with the same woman almost every night for a few months. Otherwise....you're just speculating.

Living together is a part of relationships that I find really comforting. When I go home there is someone affectionate and reliably supportive there.

The drawback is they inevitably find out some of your weaknesses. That doesn't mean you start to center your life around making sure their every whim is met.

One wise man said you need to eventually _love_ the defects in your spouse, not tolerate them. She absolutely plays dumb and refuses to fix anything? But she is incredibly eager to do the most perverted things you can thing of.....

Part of a healthy relationship is both partners being able to regress to a more childlike state and retain respect and affection from the other.

Only a robot could act like James Bond all the time, invulnerable, always out of reach and never reacting to pain. Incapable of feeling deep love for a woman. (I'm describing the Connery Bond, Daniel Craig falls for the hot brunette that betrays him and is really scarred by it.)

Some women really prefer a guy with limited emotional range like that-- these women are the cold, stupid ones. I don't want the women that want that.

And being Alpha is going after what I want, not what some guy who can't fall in love says on a forum tells me is cool, consistent with his idea of "game" , and detached.

Has anyone noticed the quasi-religious aspects of "game" discussions? Undefined terms that aren't objective(i.e.; God , Alpha) , and black and white categories of believers and unbelievers ( in the undefined terms.)

Post: #59

To summarize the conflict of this thread
unless you want a meaningless relationship, you have to "open up" emotionally and psychologically to some extent. This means discussing how you feel about shit, and displaying your actual personality which may or may not be alpha 24/7. It's just a matter of what you open up about and how often you act like yourself (as opposed to acting like your alpha alter ego)..... But isn't 'opening up' or talking about your feelings fucking beta?!?!? Won't your bitch sense weakness and immediately upgrade to a more alpha, alpha?

.......So fuck relationships right? They must be inherently flawed. By definition they make it impossible to be "alpha" (especially marriage). You are forced to commit (or let her pillage your assets/future earnings) and you are also forced to open up about shit (or have no real connection and thus no purpose for being in the relationship).
However, maybe it is possible to not be constantly alpha in a relationship, but still maintain the upper hand?
Yet in marriage she doesn't depend on you for survival (thanks to child support/welfare/alimony/etc).. however you depend on her to not wreck your finances.
So aside from relationship dynamics, she has the upper hand, okay.
But these relationship dynamics, once you are forced to reveal your deeper emotional/psychological layers, they also fade away... and there lies the heart of the conflict. How do you dominate these relationship dynamics, while still maintaining a deep connection, not acting 'beta', and not allowing her to leave on a whim and pillage your $$...

Maybe the sentiment of the original poster was right - fuck these LTRs. They are an impossibility. Too many bros on the forum (especially newbs) on here secretly searching for emotional fulfillment or even 'love' when they should be hunting for new vaginas to plow..

To get really deep with this shit - do we as players really need emotional fulfillment in relationships? Is this concept of emotional fulfillment tied loosely to the concept of "love?"



On the topic of 'alpha,'
We all know there is a difference between being confident and going for what you want in life, and being that guy who tries too hard to be 'hard' and acts like a dick (insecure bitch). However when considering all of the alpha constructs in the game universe, it can be easy to fuck this up if you take all this shit to heart. Read enough of roissy and other alpha badasses' shit and it's like being alpha entails playing constant mind games and operating tightly within an ever-expanding set of guidelines on what is in fact, alpha. It gets to a point to where fitting this overblown definition of alphaness is actually, dare I say, beta..

Post: #60

even roissy ends up in relationships, or at least it seems from his writings.

the truly strong have the aura to show their weaknesses, and from it, generate even more strength.

periodic displays of emotions including love and fear (the only two primary emotions) in the context of overall "hand" are what keeps LTR's together.

anyone who says that it is "beta" to fall in love or to care about another human being on a deep level is fucking retarded.

you think george washington or abraham lincoln or sean connery are pussies because they were dedicated to a woman?

hell good ole connery still thinks its ok to smack them at appropriate times but he's been with the same bitch for like 30+ years.

i maintain hand in my relationship mostly because I know that I can start all over again and end up even better than where I am now.

its not constant mind games or 'running game'

its a state of mind

if she leaves, my world is not over, in fact, its a time to get even better

so she stays in line and i keep hand

its not that complicated.

Post: #61

(04-26-2012 12:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  So many rich guys get divorced, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're also wrong about game not helping keep a woman, because the best way to keep a woman is to remain an attractive man, which means keeping your game tight.

I agree with Samseau. The acquisition and actualization of game allows a man to understand lizards. He knows how to retain his Higher Value in her eyes in different circumstances which I think an international gamer would be able to accomplish more so than a gamer who is successful in his turf.

To address OldNem, paying for lizards to get the high amount of bangs per year doesn't teach a man anything except possibly how to negotiate prices (if he is a skinflint).
But if the same man bangs lots of lizards using game then he will understand how to secure and close a deal.

It is the same comparison as as a salesperson.

A man who sells a lot (bangs) because he purchased leads (prostitutes or a variant of social circle game) vs a man who makes a decent living off of an initial cold market (recognises IOI from places where he is not known) and goes and engages the appropriate emotional triggers to get the lay.

With game, a man can maintain that HV in the lizards eye thus ensuring that he passes her shyt tests (lizards throw these all the time at their men, it's part of their nature).

Yea, a man can have oodles of money but after he has bought her so many plane trips, shoes and dresses, she will get used to these things. Now she sees a man who looks better than her rich LTR man (there is always going to be a man who is hotter than you to your lizard).
How do you prevent her from wanting the other man? How do you rebuttal her shyt test when she says something playfully to see how you rate to her new interest?

With game, you can see the plot unfold before it has even occurred. You know a threat developing. You can use your knowledge of game to play psychologically with her hamster and put your value back where it belongs, at the apex of her existence.

Post: #62

(04-26-2012 03:08 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 08:46 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 08:40 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  i think my game has to be tighter than ever in a LTR

I disagree. I think it takes much tighter game to pull several new girls per month than it does to keep one girl hanging around for a few months. I fucked 25 new girls last year. I could have easily snagged a LTR with one or two of those girls as opposed to pulling a new one every 2 weeks.

But now I'm done posting on this topic. I already said what I wanted to say. I don't feel like reiterating it for every newbie who want's to try to argue his point by intentionally misconstruing what I have written just so they can disagree with me. This wasn't directed at reaper23, btw.

I have had similar numbers and streaks like you are talking about. Once the system is in place, it is easy. Like auto pilot. Gaming a girl to bed is not nearly as hard as gaming a high value female into becoming and staying your sex slave, kitchen hand and oncall back scratcher.

Keeping her pussy wet and into you all the time takes a continual evolution of your game because things are always changing.

thats what i mean about keeping my game tight.

In an LTR, you are really just maintaining what you have ALREADY gotten. A lizard's best card is her poohnaynay and once you've penetrated that, she pretty much hasn't much left to negotiate with.

When you are in an LTR, one can coast for a bit on stagnant behaviour and as long as you surprise her regularly, it can keep going.

When you are hunting for new iguanas, the coasting WILL cost you the lay. You have to be excited and interesting with every interaction. You have to remain fluid. You coast and you lose. She hasn't been penetrated so she is holding the cards (so she believes).

Not sure how being in an LTR requires more tight game than ever.

Post: #63

(04-26-2012 03:34 PM)rozayINTL Wrote:  This creates an interesting question. If the main value is coming from her desiring the real you, why game? You do understand that the reason she's having sex with you is because you put her through the emotional ride using the psychology tricks (that's basically game). She is not having sex with you because she likes you; she'd go with any other dude doing the same to her. In essence she doesn't like you, she liked your game, which is something you've got good at. What's then the difference versus her liking your money, which is something you've got good at? A philosophical question I guess.

And how long would it last? During the last three years I slowly came to a point where I realized that the validation doesn't matter to me anymore. Partially this was an effect of living in America where you're being praised for just not shitting your pants - but most of it comes indeed from my understanding that the way the majority of this world thinks is so different from mine that their opinion is essentially useless to me.

This is one of the realest comments I've seen in a while

The question itself is just as much one of female psychology as it is one of the philosophy of game.

Female desire is not remotely valuable or even rewarding. The fleeting nature of that desire renders it meaningless aside from the moments she's asking you to fuck her. I feel like my ability to see women for what they are, has robbed me of extracting any sort of deep satisfaction or creating any kind of deep connection in my personal relationships with them.

Ignorance can be bliss in so many aspects of life. Maybe hopeless betas will be infinitely happier than we ever will be. They may never realize that their wives secretly resent them and fantasize about the alternatives.. They believe in love the way a child believes in Santa Clause.

Can somebody tell me what the meaning of life is? Just kidding. But not really..
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Well to go into that, maybe you can take consolation that we are equally as shallow. Most of us (if we had the option) would choose lizards who we find very attractive (even to us) to be our life partners.

How many Johnny Depp looking cats on this forum with David Beckham money are wified up with 500 pound midget women with hearts of gold?
Lurkers please feel free to chime in.

The point is, our choices are as shallow as women are. But it is survival. Procreation of good genes, understand human nature and accept it.

Post: #64

(04-28-2012 06:37 PM)Moma Wrote:  When you are in an LTR, one can coast for a bit on stagnant behaviour and as long as you surprise her regularly, it can keep going.

Not sure how being in an LTR requires more tight game than ever.

You should read blogs like Dalrocks and others. Hypergamy is alive and well my friend. Chicks leave marriages and children because they are not 'haaappy.'

Those chicks to me are those who were not properly gamed in a LTR.

Chicks get into a LTR with a beta with no game and the pussy dries up, power is totally in the hands of the woman and life is pretty fucking miserable for the bag holding bitch of a man trailing behind his lord-beast at the mall

keeping an 8 or 9 on hook, hot for you, ready to give it up any way you want any time you want for years on end?

that takes mad game, son.

Post: #65

(04-28-2012 03:39 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Part of a healthy relationship is both partners being able to regress to a more childlike state and retain respect and affection from the other.

This is how you should have a relationship with one's mom, not with one's girlfriend.

Post: #66

(04-29-2012 09:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:39 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Part of a healthy relationship is both partners being able to regress to a more childlike state and retain respect and affection from the other.

This is how you should have a relationship with one's mom, not with one's girlfriend.

Ahhh, the arrogance and certitude of youth... I wish I still had it.

I have only the experience of being twice your age and having thousands of patients tell me about their lives and relationships.

Have you ever lived with a woman, besides your mom?

Post: #67

(04-26-2012 03:34 PM)rozayINTL Wrote:  Can somebody tell me what the meaning of life is? Just kidding. But not really..

Here are my favorite answers to that question...

1) Who the fuck knows! Its whatever you want it to be!
2) To accomplish your "to-do" list for the day.
3) To do what you have to do to be happy.
4) To simplify as much as possible.
5) To discover and celebrate beauty, harmony, simplicity, balance, and mathematical logic.

Lots if interesting discussion here. I think that when your young you should focus on game, improving yourself, and getting girls through the power of your own personality. When your older, you might want to settle down and have a family, if you are single and old, you might want to get the occasional prostitute because you don't have much time to waste. In the end, do whatever is gonna make you happy, even if we here at the RVF disagree.

Post: #68

(04-26-2012 08:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The thing is, there is no such thing as you. What are you, exactly? Define yourself please?

A girl liking you for your game is still a girl who loves a man for his behavior; and the only person who can give her that behavior is you. Game is always unique to the man who runs the game, no two alpha's run the same game.

Let's see. I know very well who I am and what I am. There are things I enjoy doing, there are things I can do, and there are things I won't do. For example, think about the stereotypical "frat boy" type so popular in America - this is probably exactly the opposite of me. Could I run a typical frat boy game (the one described everywhere and taught at bootcamps)? Sure I can, and I've done it, and I had success. Did those girls who fell into it liked me? No, they did not. It was more like cracking the code - you type the right password, the access is granted, and it doesn't matter who typed the password as long as it is right.

So yes, I can play the frat boy, and a girl would like it. But would you say she likes the real me? Do you think the relationship with this kind of girl would work for me in the long term, or as soon as she finds out I'm really a very different type it all goes south?

Post: #69

(04-26-2012 08:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Let's consider a different example: I know a doctor who makes 400K per year. The dude dates lots of different women.
He complains about his love life all the time. He isn't satisfied with the women he dates, and claims they're all gold diggers. He's tired of sifting through the bullshit, and most of the time he doesn't even give a fuck about dating girls too much.

No, he would not. You're making a typical mistake - you listen to the things a person complains about, and you think this is something they want to be fixed. There are dudes who are never happy. Bring them a woman, they complain she isn't a virgin. Bring them a virgin, they'll complain she doesn't know how to fuck. This one obviously have some issues - notably he doesn't trust the people and he's overly paranoid, which generates the same reaction.

Not to mention that from your description it doesn't even look he has a problem.

Quote:He would be 100x better off with game over money.

You mean, like that dude Mystery? Was he 100x better than that doctor? I heard about some suicide attempts, those must be lies?

Quote:Well, the way to enter a relationship is very slowly. You start off only seeing her once or twice a week, and gradually increase as she demands to see you more often.

Seeing a chick once a week is definitely not an LTR, she may see six other dudes at the same time.

Quote:The more she wants to see you, the more she's falling in love with you. Eventually she wants to see you all the time, and that's when you've got it in the bag. Sit back and relax, let her chase, pamper, and follow you around for the next few years.

You'll probably have to move in with her, but that's okay. When that happens, you must make sure she knows she's living on your terms, and you mustn't tolerate any bad behavior on her part. If you have the flu, lie in bed until you get well. She will probably baby you and take care of you until you're better.

This all sounds very good in theory, but it is obvious that you never tried it before. Let me know how it works once you tried it. The first major breaking point for a long-term relationship (since you started living together) is at the two year mark.

Quote:The hard part is always in the beginning; establishing the tone of the relationship then is vital and easy to fuck up.

Apparently you believe the relationship is something which is programmed once at the beginning, and never changes later. Sorry to disappoint you, but it goes all the time. You have the same "beginning" every day, no relationship works on its own. And the less compatible you are with her, the more work you'd have to put in.

Quote:I would say getting an LTR is like taming a wild horse; they're fucking nuts at first, but once you get the domination down properly, and show her that she must work hard to keep you, she'll fall into a pattern of working for your attention all the time.

So what gonna happen after she decides she doesn't want to work hard to keep you? Which probably would happen around 6-9 months living together.

Post: #70

(04-28-2012 03:39 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  One wise man said you need to eventually _love_ the defects in your spouse, not tolerate them.

It is enough if they just don't bother you. For example, one of my friends' wife bitches to him all the time, and he ignores everything. He doesn't just pretend it has no effect on him, it really doesn't.

But there is more than that. You need to share the general opinion about the things. It doesn't mean voting for the same presidential candidate, but if you cannot agree on such boring topics like religion or environment, and it bothers you so much that you keep arguing about it, your relationship will die sooner or later. This is where those small details start popping up. Nobody would argue about the toilet seat or dirty underwear if you see each other once a week, but when you moved in, it's a different story.

Quote:Only a robot could act like James Bond all the time, invulnerable, always out of reach and never reacting to pain.

And not surprisingly it is impossible to even imagine him being in an LTR, right?

Quote:Has anyone noticed the quasi-religious aspects of "game" discussions? Undefined terms that aren't objective(i.e.; God , Alpha) , and black and white categories of believers and unbelievers ( in the undefined terms.)

To me it is just lack of maturity. Why would one even bother to prove his alphaness to someone else over the Internet? This is just alien to me.