Post: #1

So I've been starting daygame on the bus. I've had quite good success with the openers, generally its as simple as "excuse me do you like your phone". For the most part everyone so far has been responsive. Having no problem with the rambling.

The issue is that especially with transport I have no idea when she gets will get off the bus, so after 5 mins I'm often left with "an okay this is my stop" and then she's gone. This is usually after 5 mins of rambling or right after she has just taken the big bait.

Should I be pursuing these girls? The difficulty is I'm still focused on building things up then I'm left with 5 seconds. I hardly have time to even straight out ask for her number unless I get off at her stop too. I was thinking even if I had some buisness cards it might be better to hand her one than nothing thoughts or other ideas?

Post: #2

If she's getting off in 5 minutes, you got nothing, no matter what. At some point, you need to find out her destination and figure out how long you have. If you ask too early, you're too invasive and weird. Why is this guy i have known for 5 minutes trying to find out where I"m going? CREEPY!

Wait 10 instead, and ask in the most non-personal way possible. You'll need 10-15 m to get any real work done. If she gets off after 5, theres nothing you can do. Just consider it to be variance and enjoy your free practice. It'll make you more social with the next person you meet.

don't waste your time on business cards. that's just a bad idea. get the number, or instadate if you can. you'll get practice in and notice patterns. if you really want to have some fun, just grab an unlimited day pass for your bus/subway/light rail and ride -totally at random-. See if you can find patterns that might indicate whether someone is getting off soon or is riding for a while. Also, make sure you're watching body language like a hawk. It's easy to miss a woman who's checking you out, since it is rarely obvious and often easy to dismiss.

basically, read BL, iterate the process a LOT and on different modes of transportation/diff parts of the city, and get a number after 10-15m if an insta date isn't possible. practice diff ways to ask which stop she's getting off at. my favorite one is to start asking about where YOU are going, with the intent of leading the discussion into her asking what YOUR stop is. a simple "Main St. You?" should keep it 'elderly' and light. the downside to this is you can't play dumb and get off at her stop with her.

one gambit you could try is to say you have a few hours before a meeting and you were just planning to bum around the area you need to get to, but if she has a better idea, you're all ears. eg: "Well, I Have to be down on Main St at 7 for a meeting, but I"m just killing time and exploring until then. I'm always looking for a good espresso. Suggestions?" This is massive bait and i have to say, i don't really know if it will work, but I'm going to give it a go next time. If she responds in any way indicating that the area she's going has a good [whatever, espresso, diner...], respond uncertainly like "Hmm, sounds interesting. We'll see." If she seems keen on you taking her advice, you can go a step farther: "You know what, I think I"ll check out that area. I don't know it well though. Would you point me in the right direction?"

the above paragraph is mostly theorycraft, but I'm keen to try it myself. anyway, just calibrate and be willing to lose tons of prospects to circumstance. they're still great practice.

Post: #3

If she needs to go after only 5 minutes then you you should still spit out if she wants to get coffee sometime and ask for her number. If she says no ask for her facebook. You´re chances are super small but why not.

after the 5 minute mark I usually tell her where I´m getting off and ask her if she´s getting off earlier or after. This is the non creepy way to find out how long you have. If you´re chats going well and you both have time go for the instadate. Otherwise get her number right before she gets off, remember, getting her number kills the tension so you don´t want to have to talk to her for a long time after you have it.

I don´t like the idea of riding the subway all day to game. I would feel weird/lame doing it and having a purpose other than gaming girls makes me give less of a fuck when I game. Plus you can choose better locations the subway to game like coffeehouses, parks, etc.

Post: #4

Thanks for the advice. But even if I ask for her number quickly I have 5 seconds or so which basically means I have to get off with her. Still go for it?

Also any positive experiance doing anything direct?

Post: #5

(04-15-2012 12:36 AM)Road_Less_Taken Wrote:  Thanks for the advice. But even if I ask for her number quickly I have 5 seconds or so which basically means I have to get off with her. Still go for it?

Also any positive experiance doing anything direct?

I run subway game like this. I get off after her and tell her some variation of "this is not my stop but I just HAD to get your number since I may never see you again." Chicks eat that shit up. It feeds into the whole romance novel - fate has brought us together vibe that that girls love. Trust me, while she's on the bus, her hamster's humming "hey, I' m into this guy and i hope he asks for my number but at the same time i don't cuase i don't want everyone to think i'm a bus slut." From there, I proceed to get the number or transition to an insta-date. Works like a charm.

Post: #6

Two minutes after your opener, ask "What stop do you get off at?"

Post: #7

(04-15-2012 07:21 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Two minutes after your opener, ask "What stop do you get off at?"

No I think this can come off as creepy sometimes, like you're asking cause you want to follow her or whatever, its better to say offhandedly where you are getting off and ask if she gets off before or after. If she gets off before she'll usually say where. You can now mention also where you are going and ramble a bit about that. If you are doing travelling to do something fun you can ask if she is also going to do something fun or if her trip is work/errand related, same thing if you are travelling for work. Now that you have her destination you can also ramble about that if you know anything about the area, you can talk about a cool place you know over there or how you were thinking about moving there or somewhere close by. Blah blah blah the possibilities are endless.

I also feel like it might be better to say something like "Oh I was thinking of buying a phone like that" and then ask her about it instead of straight up asking about her phone. It seems more like the thought just popped into your head more randomly and you just said what you were thinking instead of just asking straight up.

What I'm saying is pretty subtle and I'm pretty sure it won't make or break an interaction but every little bit helps... what do you think Roosh?

Post: #8

Riker: how many times have you asked a girl what stop she gets off at?

Post: #9

idk I've closed 4 public transport girls and I probably interact with 20 per bang so like 80 girls? haven't kept count though

Post: #10

Well that's a good sample size. I don't know... I've never received a creep/stalker vibe when asking, especially if the conversation got off the ground.

Post: #11

Roosh, my concern was similar. I try to avoid asking any questions with 'you' in it, but perhaps since we're time crunched, we have to make higher-risk/reward plays? I think if you are playing (or are) naive traveler it will seem like genuine curiosity about the area/city instead of creepy.

my guess, and TBQH i don't game much on the train / bus yet, is that if you ask that question in the absence of anything else personal, you'll be fine.

Post: #12

My way is the same thing, only you tell her where you're getting off first, making asking her where she gets off a bit smoother in my opinion. I think there's only a tiny chance of it being taken badly if you straight up ask but why not just eliminate it. Either way its just more natural for me to do it that way, I think the best advice in this case is do what you feel more comfortable doing since that comfort will be transmitted to the girl.

Post: #13

very true, but you lose the ability to play dumb and get off with her. you're sacrificing short term potential instadate for information that will let you construct your conversation more efficiently. good idea, as long as one realizes both tactics have their advantages and disadvantages.

Post: #14

Thing is if you're having a good conversation you can just say you're not in a rush and go for the instadate anyways. Plus if she says where she gets off and you say "oh me too" it might be seen as suspect. I run pretty honest game and when I try to play dumb or deceive I give off a weird vibe, but maybe it could work better for others. As always its best to try both ways a number of times and see what you like better.

Post: #15

So either way asking where shes going seems like a good idea whether its more straight up as Roosh said or more indirectly. But this has to be after shes taken the big bait regardless of how long I've been talking to her?

I'm having a little trouble getting girls off the phone opener sometimes. It wouldn't bother me to ramble about the phone forever but simply because of the time constraint.

I'm usually talking about her iphone or whatever and then I bring up that while I'm wanting to get a new phone I dont want to get a plan since I travel alot (my big bait). She then usually responds that you can put it on vacation mode or buy an unlocked phone and then put in a new sim. I then say that I'd be worried about paying $400 and then having a risk of getting it stolen when I'm away. Now that I'm thinking about it would it be good to tell a story here about something getting stolen when travelling, if she doesn't take the bait? or any other way to really make it stand out so that she asks a question? I usually just go back to rambling about the phone.

Sometimes in addition I just shift the conversation about her phone to how technology changes, it just seems to lead to a little more personable conversation without being akward either.

Getting off her at her stop and telling her that this wasn't your stop but you HAD to get her number as you may never see her again, is completely a beta move, which I think my biggest problem is. But point there is you have nothing to lose anyways as long as your not in a rush.

Post: #16

Ask to see how good the video/photographs look on her phone, then switch the subject onto what the video or foto she is showing you is about. She'll love talking about that usually and you'll get plenty of information to keep rambling about other stuff. If you're phone has videos or fotos take it out as if you want to show her the quality and then just start talking about your stuff. It should come off naturally.

Since you're on the subject of phones you could also say how you got your phone robbed and blah blah blah, similar to Roosh's "i fell asleep on the train and woke up and all my shit was gone"

There's really lots of ways... its pretty fun!

Post: #17

"I have 5 seconds or so which basically means I have to get off with her."

Dude, the studies show it's rare for a man and woman to orgasm simultaneously. Especially in a five-second window, stop putting that kind of pressure on yourself.