I was supposed to go on a date with a teaching student Tuesday. Five hours before the date she texts me that she wants to meet earlier, which as Roosh says is code for I have other plans later tonight. Sure enough she had dinner plans that evening and the whole date would have lasted 2 hours. I texted to cancel and reschedule but never heard back.

(10-29-2015 10:22 AM)Dawn_Snow Wrote:  I was supposed to go on a date with a teaching student Tuesday. Five hours before the date she texts me that she wants to meet earlier, which as Roosh says is code for I have other plans later tonight. Sure enough she had dinner plans that evening and the whole date would have lasted 2 hours. I texted to cancel and reschedule but never heard back.

Apropos story from last night...

"Hank, I have a date tonight."
"Cool. Where ya going?"
"[Restaurant near my house.]"
"You don't sound so excited."
"Well, I really just want him to buy me dinner at [Restaurant], and his job sounds kind of interesting. But I think I'm gonna cancel. I'd rather just stay in and do shots with you."
"Now you're never gonna meet a nice guy" I say with a wink, doing a shot.
"I'm way more excited about my date on Thursday night."
"Tell me about that guy."
"Well, he's tall, has tattoos, and he's a drummer in a band. Probably not marriage material or anything, but we're definitely going to fuck. He's fucking hawt."
"Don't you want to get married, buy a house out in the suburbs, and pop out some crotch spawn?"
"Fuck that shit. Maybe when I'm 30 to a rich guy or something."
"A rich guy like me? What makes you think I'd marry you?"
"No, not a rich guy like you. You're a fucking degenerate womanizer anyway. I'll get married to a nice rich guy who will buy me things, who won't know that I'm still fucking that guy in a band."
"That sounds very romantic."
"Hahahahaha, pass that bottle over this way."

(10-29-2015 10:34 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 10:22 AM)Dawn_Snow Wrote:  I was supposed to go on a date with a teaching student Tuesday. Five hours before the date she texts me that she wants to meet earlier, which as Roosh says is code for I have other plans later tonight. Sure enough she had dinner plans that evening and the whole date would have lasted 2 hours. I texted to cancel and reschedule but never heard back.

Apropos story from last night...

"Hank, I have a date tonight."
"Cool. Where ya going?"
"[Restaurant near my house.]"
"You don't sound so excited."
"Well, I really just want him to buy me dinner at [Restaurant], and his job sounds kind of interesting. But I think I'm gonna cancel. I'd rather just stay in and do shots with you."
"Now you're never gonna meet a nice guy" I say with a wink, doing a shot.
"I'm way more excited about my date on Thursday night."
"Tell me about that guy."
"Well, he's tall, has tattoos, and he's a drummer in a band. Probably not marriage material or anything, but we're definitely going to fuck. He's fucking hawt."
"Don't you want to get married, buy a house out in the suburbs, and pop out some crotch spawn?"
"Fuck that shit. Maybe when I'm 30 to a rich guy or something."
"A rich guy like me? What makes you think I'd marry you?"
"No, not a rich guy like you. You're a fucking degenerate womanizer anyway. I'll get married to a nice rich guy who will buy me things, who won't know that I'm still fucking that guy in a band."
"That sounds very romantic."
"Hahahahaha, pass that bottle over this way."

I'm not surprised at this, but it really disgusts me. Fuck the female ID

(10-29-2015 10:22 AM)Dawn_Snow Wrote:  I was supposed to go on a date with a teaching student Tuesday. Five hours before the date she texts me that she wants to meet earlier, which as Roosh says is code for I have other plans later tonight. Sure enough she had dinner plans that evening and the whole date would have lasted 2 hours. I texted to cancel and reschedule but never heard back.

If it was your very 1st date with her I would have still gone and tried to kino and possibly escalate to a kiss. Sometimes strict time constraints actually force you to work better and faster. The last girl I saw on a 1st date, I had a total of 3 hours with her in the daytime with zero alcohol, before she had to go meet another friend. Still managed to get the kiss. I later banged her on the 2nd date.

Even if you don't kiss her, if you make a strong enough impression on that 1st date (even if it's short one) you can usually get a 2nd date, or convince her to cancel her plans afterwards cause it's more fun/cool to be with you...or possibly see her again much later in the evening. The dinner date may be just an excuse to bail on you because she isn't sure she likes you 100% yet, or just some beta (who's not going to get any pussy from her) trying to feed her and she's going cause girls love taking free stuff (from men that pay for it) without giving anything back.

Some people here may think that's giving her too much freedom to mess you around, but I always try to make the 1st meeting happen no matter what.
If the 1st date doesn't happen on the day scheduled, very often you won't get another chance.

(10-29-2015 10:34 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Apropos story from last night...

"Hank, I have a date tonight."
"Cool. Where ya going?"
"[Restaurant near my house.]"
"You don't sound so excited."
"Well, I really just want him to buy me dinner at [Restaurant], and his job sounds kind of interesting. But I think I'm gonna cancel. I'd rather just stay in and do shots with you."
"Now you're never gonna meet a nice guy" I say with a wink, doing a shot.
"I'm way more excited about my date on Thursday night."
"Tell me about that guy."
"Well, he's tall, has tattoos, and he's a drummer in a band. Probably not marriage material or anything, but we're definitely going to fuck. He's fucking hawt."
"Don't you want to get married, buy a house out in the suburbs, and pop out some crotch spawn?"
"Fuck that shit. Maybe when I'm 30 to a rich guy or something."
"A rich guy like me? What makes you think I'd marry you?"
"No, not a rich guy like you. You're a fucking degenerate womanizer anyway. I'll get married to a nice rich guy who will buy me things, who won't know that I'm still fucking that guy in a band."
"That sounds very romantic."
"Hahahahaha, pass that bottle over this way."

So what's the over / under on the no. of pet cats this chick ends up with?
2?
3?
4?

I just got flaked on so hard that I will not be meeting up anymore girls for a while.

Approached a girl in a mall, talked for a bit about scarves, got her wechat. I asked her to go have coffee, said she had plans. Sunday night I messaged her about meeting today, Monday. I told her I was going out to buy a scarf and a hat, she should come out with me and I will get her a cup of coffee. Super enthusiastic, messaged me about 20 times today with a half an hour by half an hour account of her day and getting ready to meet up. She messaged, "Just got the taxi, be there soon." No show. I ask where she is. She went somewhere else.

Wtf produced these monsters? I think I would have beat her unconscious if I saw her. That's not good. I need to step back from women. Simply can't take how horrible their behavior has become. I'm not going after models either, just normal 6s and 7s.

Are other people meeting this kind of behavior?

(11-02-2015 06:40 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I just got flaked on so hard that I will not be meeting up anymore girls for a while.

Approached a girl in a mall, talked for a bit about scarves, got her wechat. I asked her to go have coffee, said she had plans. Sunday night I messaged her about meeting today, Monday. I told her I was going out to buy a scarf and a hat, she should come out with me and I will get her a cup of coffee. Super enthusiastic, messaged me about 20 times today with a half an hour by half an hour account of her day and getting ready to meet up. She messaged, "Just got the taxi, be there soon." No show. I ask where she is. She went somewhere else.

Wtf produced these monsters? I think I would have beat her unconscious if I saw her. That's not good. I need to step back from women. Simply can't take how horrible their behavior has become. I'm not going after models either, just normal 6s and 7s.

Are other people meeting this kind of behavior?

This is why when you meet a chick, you should escalate that very same day in my opinion. If the girl is attractive, she is getting hit on all the time. If you wait too long to go out with her, a guy that she feels is hotter than you will grab her attention. This has happened to me in the past.

There use to be an unwritten three day rule. Once I met a girl, I would wait a few days before I called because I didn't want to look desperate. This doesn't work anymore. Women want aggressive men. After watching bad boys get notch after notch on the same day they meet women, I think this is the best approach to take.

I don't think the scarf and hat shopping trip was the reason she flaked but man that sounds old man boring to me. It's not hard for the girl to find a better option.

(11-02-2015 06:40 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I just got flaked on so hard that I will not be meeting up anymore girls for a while.

Approached a girl in a mall, talked for a bit about scarves, got her wechat. I asked her to go have coffee, said she had plans. Sunday night I messaged her about meeting today, Monday. I told her I was going out to buy a scarf and a hat, she should come out with me and I will get her a cup of coffee. Super enthusiastic, messaged me about 20 times today with a half an hour by half an hour account of her day and getting ready to meet up. She messaged, "Just got the taxi, be there soon." No show. I ask where she is. She went somewhere else.

Wtf produced these monsters? I think I would have beat her unconscious if I saw her. That's not good. I need to step back from women. Simply can't take how horrible their behavior has become. I'm not going after models either, just normal 6s and 7s.

Are other people meeting this kind of behavior?

Just a bit of personal experience for you now, that illustrates how unreliable modern girls are.
Plus, that you can't expect any sort of rational if not honourable behaviour from modern girls.

There's probably a better Rational Male article on the subject; yet this one will suffice for now :

http://therationalmale.com/2015/04/14/ma...ectations/

Got this one yesterday:

"I'm going to be really shitty and bail on tonight. Sorry."

At least she gave herself an honest evaluation.

(11-03-2015 01:50 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  Got this one yesterday:

"I'm going to be really shitty and bail on tonight. Sorry."

At least she gave herself an honest evaluation.

If she is German, you should send her some Scheiße porn.

(08-09-2015 05:54 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  I'm probably around a 7.5, tall, in good shape and have a good job, that doesn't stop women blowing me off left right and centre.

Unless you're a 9 in looks in the online world women will eat you like sharks. Online is genuinely 90% looks.

A 7.5 chick is not going to blow you off, but A nine chick will ditch you unless you are a 9...

Lower the gun sites if you're not converting.

(11-03-2015 01:50 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  Got this one yesterday:

"I'm going to be really shitty and bail on tonight. Sorry."

At least she gave herself an honest evaluation.

I actually have more respect for girls who are up front, blunt, and own their actions, rather than the girls who I have no respect for which are the ones that don't answer simple questions clearly, make a bunch of excuses, and don't reply to messages.

I don't post my personal experiences in this thread often but I am going to try to post more often so others may be able to learn from it especially if they might be facing the same situation as me.

A few weeks ago I met a girl on campus and number closed her while she was with her friend in under 2 minutes with very little rapport and no kino.

I messaged her about 15 minutes after because I wanted to have her save my info while it was fresh on her mind. She responded almost instantly. Then we texted each other back and forth that night for me to build rapport with her. I didn't go for a date for that week because I had work that week and was going to hangout and party with my friends during my free time that week. So I messages her the beginning of the week after to check how she is doing and set up a meet up. This girl continues to respond within a few minutes to all my messages and sends me pics of her and we finally agree on a meet up day and time.

She 18 and doesn't drive or work so I had to factor that in for the meet up.

We finally agree to a meet up about 1 hour before she has class as we both goto the same school and it will be easier to build some face to face rapport.

The day of the meet up I message her while I'm at home chilling that I'm going to be a bit late because of LA traffic and then trying to find parking around campus. She responds saying she caught the bus but is going to be running late as well as the buses where she is coming from a slow.

So then I get a message about 15 minutes later of her canceling our meetup saying she has to meet with her friend to complete some work.

I was instantly pissed off because she initially seemed interested and already wasted time building rapport with her.

Then I realized I'm a Player with Options and remember like others have said on this forum to remain cool and not burn your bridges with girls you want to bang.

So I told her it's all good and that I'll catch up with her later.

We don't talk for a few days and then on Monday night I send a restart text to try to figure out logistics with her for another meet up. She is cool with meeting up the next day and we set up a time and place and eventually the conversation drifts into more rapport building. I admit this was my mistake building up too much rapport as usually I don't care about doing that stuff until I see them face to face, but I wanted to try it out to see if it would help. She ends up sending me more pictures of herself and chit chatting more. Then out of nowhere she backtracks on the time and place of the date saying we can meet on campus but have to stay on campus and that she has to leave on the bus by a certain time to leave and pick up her little brother from school. Now I'm on alert and sense she is trying to flake or have an excuse to bail out early. So I tell her no thanks as I'm not trying to rush things; just go with the flow and have fun. Then she starts acting weird after I declined her offer and seemed a little bi-polar. So I try to call her to clear things up and like typical young american girls she doesn't pick up and tells me why can't we text instead.

We chit-chatted some more and eventually we negotiated on meeting an 1-2 hours before class again and that she was going to text me when she is on her way to campus. I joke around with her telling her next time I will have to call my special negotiations team to set up a meet-up with her and then she starts acting weird again. So I just try to end it because at this point I got tired of talking to her.

The next day comes and I am expecting her to flake based on how she was acting the night before. She does not text that she is on her way to school so that we can meet up at the time she agreed upon earlier. Then she texts me about 2-3 hours later with a half-assed written out message asking if we are still meeting. What made me more disappointed was we have eachother on snapchat and she posted a 1 hour before she texted me a picture of her in class saying that she is bored and somebody should come save her.

So after seeing her disrespect me like that I just didn't respond back to her and deleted her number. Then I went to campus that same day and gamed some more girls ending up with 4 numbers and me making out with a girl and posting it on snapchat. She can still see my snapchat storyline so it gave me a little chuckle when I saw her name saw my video.

What keeps me going even when I have flakes like this is to remember that I am a man with options. I have to have an abundance mentality at all times, and always be replacing these hoes not chasing them.

Thanks for reading this post if you made it this far and if you're in LA and need a wingman to help you get some approaches in then contact me.

Supposed to meet up at 6, texted earlier today with suggested venue, no response, around 2:30 said that she couldn't sleep last night and wasn't feeling good so can't meet today.

Met her 6 weeks ago day gaming, I think I didn't build enough comfort.

Two things not sure about -

-Obviously no calling them out but should I next or try a restart text?

-So I don't waste a Saturday night, does this mean I should text all my prospects and see who is free?

To the story above, she's 18, i.e. fucking retarded and treat her as such. There are mature 18 year olds too occasionally but most of them are the flakiest women you can find.

I had a couple of flakes myself recently:
1) Had a date with a 21 year old easily an 8, went well got her home and kissed her. Didn't bang since I banged another girl a couple of hours prior. Asked her out following weekend she never appeared to see my message. Then cold texted her several days later, she responded very warmly saying "where's my invite" and said she can do this and this day. All agreed. On the day she sent a message <bla bla bla sorry bla bla illness>. What a surprise.

2) Arranged a date with an online girl. Arranged to meetup for drinks on a Thursday night. Texted her at noon on the day and told her "see you later " which she responded to. 10 minutes before as I was leaving to the location I texted her "on my way". She texted back 5 minutes before the arranged meetup saying "I'm not there yet". As I got there I waited for her 15 minutes, left her a question mark text which I could see she didn't read or receive. I thought fuck this and went home. 2 hours later I saw she was back on Whatsapp, I texted her that what she did was wrong and what I thought of her. She responded back with 4 messages saying "I know I was wrong" (no excuse as to why she didn't turn up), "I was going to call you". Yeah right. Also she used some terrible text speak. Just deleted her, complete time waster.

Yes I had sex with three girls yesterday, check the just had sex thread. Today I've had a flake. It tells you what a total fucking numbers game this is.

A really hot Italian, had her at my place on first date but didn't bang as she was on her period and giving all sorts of LMR. I thought that was it, as it usually is. She made herself out to be different to other girls. If I was an amateur in this I bought have bought it hook, line and sinker but I knew she was full of shit, and she was. Once you have experience in this you don't take a word they say seriously, particularly in the hooking stages. Honestly I don't think they know what they are saying sometimes themselves.

She cold texted me a couple of days ago, talked to her and agreed to meet up tonight on her free day from work and sounded really excited. She confirmed after 3pm. Several hours later she just no showed and didn't answer her phone. I could see she got the message (I just sent one around 8:15 with a question mark) but no blue ticks on Whatsapp. She no doubt still saw them, unless she was busy getting fucked by someone else. I did text her an hour before the date with a see you later and she didn't respond so I was risking it and don't feel too bad about it as I managed to do some shopping while "waiting" for her.

The second really hot girl recently who did the same thing, basically appeared really excited and even asking me to invite her out again and then flaking.

There are only two real reactions to a no show if she does get in touch. Call her out for being a bitch (the chance she'll turn out to a date again are close to zero anyway), or call her out on it and tell her it's not right and throw some line like "I don't know how you'll make it up to me". Remember you are dealing with children here, that's how modern 18-30 girls behave.

The only real solution to avoid flaking is to be a fucking celebrity.

(11-04-2015 04:28 AM)LA Savage Wrote:  What keeps me going even when I have flakes like this is to remember that I am a man with options. I have to have an abundance mentality at all times, and always be replacing these hoes not chasing them.

Words to live by, replace don't chase

So I've got one from yesterday. Went out with a pretty Chilean girl that I met in the street on Friday. We had a nice little coffee date yesterday, had good rapport, ran my hand massage routine, talked about how we both enjoyed our time together, and then set up a cooking/wine hang out at her apartment for Tuesday night (tonight). I walk her back to her place, give her a nice little kiss, then continue to game more girls in the street.

3 hours pass and I receive the following text from her (spanish to english):

"I can't see you tomorrow. I'm feeling guilty because I am seeing another person. It is nothing formal, but in this moment I'm feeling guilty. I liked getting to know you today and I think that you are an interesting person. Sorry for making you lose time and for retracting the offer..."

In my younger days, I would have probably probed her and started playing therapist or something equally horrifying. Trying to analyze what went wrong, etc. My response now, completely ignore. She is certainly no prime catch (at 29), and while she's a solid 7, it is just not worth pursuing her further at this point. I proceeded to set up another date with another girl I met on the weekend. Thinking this is the best way to respond to flaking (even flaking caused by hamstering well in advance), without a doubt, as others have suggested in this thread.

I had a pretty promising date lined up Sunday morning. Girl was going to come to my area of town, get breakfast with me, then join me in my jacuzzi. I told her I'd give her a call after I got out of the shower to talk logistics.

I give her a call and she is complaining about the drive (making it sound like coming to my area of town was too out of her way) and said she is just going to stay home for the day because she's tired/lazy blah blah blah. I told her whatever I'm busy the rest of the day so we will hang out some other time.

We were texting a bit later and she told me she actually was getting ready to come out and see me but the real reason she changed her mind was because I came off as an asshole over the phone. I asked someone who was in the room when I was talking to her on the phone and they confirmed I was indeed kind of a dick on the phone.

I learned a valuable lesson - I think I'm being to harsh and impatient/unaccommodating with women. A bit too heavy on the asshole game. Need to try and temper myself a little bit and be a little more friendly and flexible.

(11-24-2015 11:13 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  We were texting a bit later and she told me she actually was getting ready to come out and see me but the real reason she changed her mind was because I came off as an asshole over the phone. I asked someone who was in the room when I was talking to her on the phone and they confirmed I was indeed kind of a dick on the phone.

Don't take her word for it. She was looking for any excuse to flake without having to blame herself for it. You didn't change her mind, she was either going to flake anyway or was on the borderline and you didn't convince her enough. Convincing a girl to go out when on the borderline takes skill. But the real reason she flaked is that she is a flake.

Flaked on a girl myself recently. Had a date lined up with a girl on Sunday evening which is not something I normally do as I like to keep Sunday evening as me time so I can cook, wash and chill in preparation for the week, but I couldn't fit her in any other time.

Anyway, that afternoon a friend invited me over to his place for dinner as his fiance had made ribs (she is a great cook) and this girl wasn't anything special so I flaked on her and went and had ribs instead.

If I'm happy to choose ribs and hanging with friends over a date with a girl, you can see how easy it is for girls to find reasons to flake on us guys.

(11-24-2015 10:37 PM)Roardog Wrote:  Flaked on a girl myself recently. Had a date lined up with a girl on Sunday evening which is not something I normally do as I like to keep Sunday evening as me time so I can cook, wash and chill in preparation for the week, but I couldn't fit her in any other time.
Anyway, that afternoon a friend invited me over to his place for dinner as his fiance had made ribs (she is a great cook) and this girl wasn't anything special so I flaked on her and went and had ribs instead.
If I'm happy to choose ribs and hanging with friends over a date with a girl, you can see how easy it is for girls to find reasons to flake on us guys.

Correct in one sense.
Although girls need men more than men need girls.

So long as most western females think along the lines of juvenile Disney / Hollywood romance fantasies.
They'll be continually shooting themselves in the foot with their flakey behaviour.

(11-25-2015 02:49 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 10:37 PM)Roardog Wrote:  Flaked on a girl myself recently. Had a date lined up with a girl on Sunday evening which is not something I normally do as I like to keep Sunday evening as me time so I can cook, wash and chill in preparation for the week, but I couldn't fit her in any other time.
Anyway, that afternoon a friend invited me over to his place for dinner as his fiance had made ribs (she is a great cook) and this girl wasn't anything special so I flaked on her and went and had ribs instead.
If I'm happy to choose ribs and hanging with friends over a date with a girl, you can see how easy it is for girls to find reasons to flake on us guys.

Correct in one sense.
Although girls need men more than men need girls.

So long as most western females think along the lines of juvenile Disney / Hollywood romance fantasies.
They'll be continually shooting themselves in the foot with their flakey behaviour.

Surely thirst contracts this though? They've got a never ending supply of dudes knocking on their door.
I'm sure this girl could have/did replace me in an instant when I flaked on her.

Got Flaked on by tinder girl. First very eager to meet. "I'll be here in about an hour". So im getting ready and shes not coming. Suddenly not answering fast like in the begining. "Have to go to the mall, will come by later". Couple hours later i call her and ask where she is. "Im with friends, but i can come later". No thanks! Im 100% she would flake again. Bitch

@LA Savage - Yeah, that was some extensive back-and-forth that looked close to advancing, so you must've made quite an impression in that 2-minute window, but given such a constraint, it doesn't surprise me that it ended the way it did. I've really been trying to prolong that initial interaction so as to most effectively build a connection. Let me just speak for myself, though, by stating how the vast majority of these lightning-bolt number-closes are just as well right in the garbage.