Post: #26

I have a good friend from Saudia Arabia. He explained it to me like this and I have to admit that I kind of like the idea....He said that his wife keeps everything covered because he is the only one with the privilege to see her face. The rest of the world only sees her eyes, she saves her true beauty for her man.

Post: #27

(04-05-2012 02:54 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  Middle Eastern ... They get ridiculously impassioned in debates, there is often neither rhyme nor reason to their dogmatic world-views.

Ya.

Post: #28

(04-05-2012 01:33 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 01:28 PM)Walnuts Wrote:  Middle eastern culture knows how to keep bitches in line.
As soon as you give women any degree of power or freedom the whole society goes to shit, a la the western world.

The Western world has its problem. That's for sure. But so does the Middle East. It's just a different set of problems. The grass is greener type of thing.

I'll taking living in America over living in the Middle East any day of the week. No brainer.

I know I know. I'm not saying I'd rather live there, of course not. The western world is a players haven. I'm just sayin that they know how to discipline and keep those hos in check. The west made the mistake of giving women freedom and rights, and now we're exploiting it by pumping and dumping. It almost feels like women got a worse deal for themselves.

But if your looking to raise a family, I'd never marry a western girl. You're just asking for problems. Cooks and cleans and looks after the kids with a hot meal waiting for you when you get back from work? Forget it. Your going to get nagging and bitching and whining.

Post: #29

(04-05-2012 05:13 PM)hoops330 Wrote:  I have a good friend from Saudia Arabia. He explained it to me like this and I have to admit that I kind of like the idea....He said that his wife keeps everything covered because he is the only one with the privilege to see her face. The rest of the world only sees her eyes, she saves her true beauty for her man.

That's very poetic. I like it. Try selling that to an American girl though

Post: #30

(04-05-2012 08:58 AM)assman Wrote:  Makes perfect sense to me. Notice how western media casts an extremely negative light/spin on how Arab women are treated. Yet which women are treated worse? The Arab woman whose husband provides for her and the family, and may discipline her once in a while to keep her in line, or the Western woman who gets pumped and dumped and is viewed as nothing more than a collection of orifices for our physical gratification?

I mean it probably depends from girl to girl. Some girls probably prefer being able to drive, not wear hajibs etc, even if it means they get the western man treatment. Others may prefer gettimg taken care of even if it means no liberty and the occasional corporal punishment

Post: #31

(04-05-2012 02:58 PM)assman Wrote:  Middle Eastern societies have their flaws, some of which were mentioned earlier, but western culture is far more dysfunctional.

I was talking to a Lebanese girl not long ago, and she made no secret of her lack of respect for Western women, even though she considered herself quite secular and didn't mind dating Western guys.

One of the things she mentioned was her absolute loyalty to her man. She said that she would NEVER laugh at him or disrespect him in front of others. And would not tolerate anyone her did.

A total teamplayer.

That's the thing about marriage. Even in a relationship, you're still putting yourself first, but marriage vows are vows to put your spouse first and the marriage first.

Until about 1960, I'd say this is the way it used to be in America. Notice the generation that started having children in the '50s and '60s was the same generation that absolutely beat the shit out of our enemies - no holds barred.

The values back then were service: you serve your spouse, your family, your community and your country.

Service is a gutted idea today. Although it's still far stronger in America than in Europe, where things are even worse.

Honor-killings, girls having to marry their rapists, sectarian slaughter. They go bat-shit insane if some Marine accidently throws out a piece of shit he didn't realize happened to be one of 100s of millions of Korans available. But rebel fighters in Libya desecrate the graves of Allied soldiers from World War II, demonstrators unwittingly protest Muhammed drawings as if the world was coming to end, and burn the Danish national flag, WITH A CROSS smack-dab in the Middle.

Forget how inefficiently organized they are, or how completely unable to run a modern state without a brutal dictator educated at Oxbridge at the helm to keep them in line.

As fucked up as feminists are, women are women at heart and even a feminist can't change that...

Post: #32

(04-05-2012 01:28 PM)Walnuts Wrote:  Middle eastern culture knows how to keep bitches in line.
As soon as you give women any degree of power or freedom the whole society goes to shit, a la the western world.

I suggest you go and live in the Middle East then if you appreciate that culture so much!
I'm sure any daughters you plan on having will be forever thankful!

Post: #33

Who cares about british women? they are (and the Irish too) by far the ugliest in europe.

Post: #34

Seems like Christians believe the same thing.

Is It OK For A Christian Husband to Gently Beat His Wife?

Quote:Being fickle and temperamental, women do not always respond to gentle words so at times a swift, backhanded slap across the face must be applied to them. This usually gets their attention and sets order straight.”

Now, I expressed the seriousness of such a situation and indicated that when cause arises, where a man must put an uppity feminist acting wife in her place, that the actions should be loving, kind and swift; much like the wrath of God when he warns you to stop sinning.

Quote:Now that is immoral and even if your wife cheats on you, which if this was a few hundred years ago I would personally help you stone her to death for, this day and age you just do not beat a woman like that. It is sick.

Instead, you just give them…a little Godly tap on the cheek. A reminder of who is in charge and that your wrath can be great, but for your loved one you show warning in your mercy.

Barbra Walters interviews Sean Connery on slapping women

Post: #35

(04-06-2012 12:04 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  Until about 1960, I'd say this is the way it used to be in America. Notice the generation that started having children in the '50s and '60s was the same generation that absolutely beat the shit out of our enemies - no holds barred.

That ass-kicking they wrought on much of the rest of the planet allowed their children to grow up in hitherto unknown and never-before-seen prosperity. Whereas their parents had known at least one (quite possibly two) world wars and several other massive conflicts that occurred at approximately the same time, their children were largely kept separate from the ravages of battle. They grew up during a period of economic explosion, an age that to this day remains the truest and most explicit "golden age" in American history.

And with this peace, of course, came restlessness. The new youth (children born anywhere from 1945 up until the late 60's or possibly early 70's in some places) had a completely different perspective on life than their parents. Their parents' old ways had been shaped by lifetimes of devastating conflict-absent these things, the youth sought to move society forward, believing their parents' way outdated now.

Members of this generation earnestly believed they could change the world, and that it was their duty to do so. Their sheer numbers (it isn't called the baby "boom" for nothing) ensured that their voices would be heard sooner or later, and gave them tremendous political clout as they reached adulthood. They still have this power today, and largely guide the modern west's political direction (locally, nationally, and internationally).

Out of these people came modern pacifist movements, the civil rights movement, and the sexual revolution, among other things (I have merely listed the most notable of them). These are all legacies of the baby boomers.

They brought us a lot of good. As a black male, I'm quite thankful for their efforts on the civil rights front, and as players I'm sure many of us are happy that their sexual revolution made casual sex and the "one night stand" acceptable and common. If you're on this forum and you're under 40, chances are that your parents are members of this generation.

Of course, there are some unintended consequences embedded in the baby boomer legacy as well, many of which are only now becoming obvious.

The irony is that while the west looks down on less "progressive" cultures due to their antiquated (by our standards) social practices, these places do have a crucial edge over the west that is often overlooked: fertility.

Western families are crumbling and dying out at a rapid rate. Our youth are not only set to be overburdened (somebody has to support all of the retiring boomers), but also are unlikely to procreate themselves.

Meanwhile, other societies (particularly in the Middle East, South Asia, Africa and parts of Latin America) maintain fertility rates that will see them doubling, if not tripling our number of young people by 2050.

It does not really matter who is right in this ideological struggle between east and west, first world and third world, secular and religious. At the end of the day, the future belongs to those who reproduce, regardless of their ideology. To the breeders will go the spoils-they will win this battle by default, because when it is all said and done they (more specifically, the children they raise) will be the only ones left standing.

Right now, the west looks like it will be on the losing end of this fight. Barring some extremely dramatic economic and social shifts, I don't see this outlook changing any time soon.

Post: #36

(04-06-2012 07:55 AM)Walnuts Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 01:33 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 01:28 PM)Walnuts Wrote:  Middle eastern culture knows how to keep bitches in line.
As soon as you give women any degree of power or freedom the whole society goes to shit, a la the western world.

The Western world has its problem. That's for sure. But so does the Middle East. It's just a different set of problems. The grass is greener type of thing.

I'll taking living in America over living in the Middle East any day of the week. No brainer.

I know I know. I'm not saying I'd rather live there, of course not. The western world is a players haven. I'm just sayin that they know how to discipline and keep those hos in check. The west made the mistake of giving women freedom and rights, and now we're exploiting it by pumping and dumping. It almost feels like women got a worse deal for themselves.

But if your looking to raise a family, I'd never marry a western girl. You're just asking for problems. Cooks and cleans and looks after the kids with a hot meal waiting for you when you get back from work? Forget it. Your going to get nagging and bitching and whining.

Ha! Women will remain women. Nagging, bitching and whining is still there, albeit with a steaming plate of food!

Post: #37

Iran seems like a modern Islamic country to me. SA is a banana state run by emasculated princes. Comparing the two like comparing South and North Korea.

As far as the video goes. I agree with it 100%. What else can a man do? Dump his wife on the street or commit a sin.

More and more I learn about Islam the more I respect it. It's far from perfect but it's a decent code to live life by.

Post: #38

(04-06-2012 02:41 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Barbra Walters interviews Sean Connery on slapping women

I was wondering how long it would take before this video got pasted into this thread. I bet this is the single most linked video on the forum--by far.

EDIT: Maybe we should just ask Roosh to sticky it to the very top of the forum.

Post: #39

What Sean was talking about in the video is when women just won't let shit go. You try to be nice and give them what they want in order to placate them but they get fixated on still coming after you. Sort of a female roid rage or even road rage. Children get this way a lot. It's emotional not logical. It comes out of frustration. When my little boy got that way ...all crazy and tantrums all I had to was pick him in a big bear hug and let him kick and scream for like 10 minutes until he wore himself out. Eventually anger turned to tears and he just fell asleep. Its a power struggle. You have to show them who's in charge. I didnt let him go until he stopped. It's not so easy with women

There's an old concept of purification by pain that may be related here. It's a way of slapping someone back into reality. Derailing their train of though.

Check this out:

http://paulocoelhoblog.com/2011/05/02/pu...n-by-pain/

Post: #40

(04-06-2012 02:35 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 01:28 PM)Walnuts Wrote:  Middle eastern culture knows how to keep bitches in line.
As soon as you give women any degree of power or freedom the whole society goes to shit, a la the western world.

I suggest you go and live in the Middle East then if you appreciate that culture so much!
I'm sure any daughters you plan on having will be forever thankful!

Did you even read my posts?

I said they know how to keep women in line.
My second post said I'd much rather live here in London or preferably the US if I had the chance.

Don't take shots at me without even taking 2 minutes to read what I wrote.

Post: #41

Thank you for sharing this video. It was interesting. My x was muslim and she used to tell me how her aunts would tell her cousins before marriage how they had to do whatever there husband said when it came to sex and that they could never say no to sex. Lol. I loved it. She def made me rough her up a few times...id usually just grab her, pick her up and slam her into the bed. Lol. Was a sick turn on, would always give me a boner. Fucking primal rage man.

Post: #42

Just posted this on FB, first comment was from a white converted muslim girl, who I fucked.

"Sounds legit"

Post: #43

I don't consider myself a feminist, because contemporary feminism is bullshit and mostly just about allowing women to avoid the consequences of their actions. That being said, the idea that women should be legally reduced to status of second-class citizens is just absurd. And reading people write about how that's best for women reminds me of those old-time white southerners who used to claim that blacks were actually better off during slavery and Jim Crow.

I'm all for traditional masculinity and traditional family structures, but in order for that to produce a just society it has to be freely chosen. In my experience, most women are willing to follow the lead of a strong man. If you can't be that, don't blame feminism; blame yourself.

And no offense to the religious members of the forum, but fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist versions of all other religions are just form another of the matrix. It's a way of controlling people's behavior for the benefit of an elite. Sure, the western world has ways of doing the same thing, but it's much easier to take the red pill here than it is an authoritarian society.

Post: #44

(04-07-2012 06:34 PM)j r Wrote:  I don't consider myself a feminist, because contemporary feminism is bullshit and mostly just about allowing women to avoid the consequences of their actions. That being said, the idea that women should be legally reduced to status of second-class citizens is just absurd. And reading people write about how that's best for women reminds me of those old-time white southerners who used to claim that blacks were actually better off during slavery and Jim Crow.

I'm all for traditional masculinity and traditional family structures, but in order for that to produce a just society it has to be freely chosen. In my experience, most women are willing to follow the lead of a strong man. If you can't be that, don't blame feminism; blame yourself.

And no offense to the religious members of the forum, but fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist versions of all other religions are just form another of the matrix. It's a way of controlling people's behavior for the benefit of an elite. Sure, the western world has ways of doing the same thing, but it's much easier to take the red pill here than it is an authoritarian society.

What if women want to submit to, and be under, men?

Post: #45

There used to be a very controversial Heartiste/Roissy post from February 2009 discussing something quite similar...but it's the only post I am aware of that he removed voluntarily from his blog and it's been gone for many years. The attention and heat he probably got for it wasn't worth the trouble of standing his ground and keeping it there.

As long as this forum is public to read for everyone, certain topics are just too polarizing and explosive to talk about even here.

Post: #46

Well it's one way to keep women in line but I don't particularly agree. It is important that you curse her and raise your hand high when you carry out such beatings while honoring your woman or you will be seen as weak, like Jeb Bush or Jimmy Kimmel.

Post: #47

Most converts to Islam are women. Like 70% or something ridiculous like that. they crave the structure and authority.

Islam also mandates the man must provide for his family, which women like obviously.

Post: #48

(01-16-2016 04:17 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Most converts to Islam are women. Like 70% or something ridiculous like that. they crave the structure and authority.

Islam also mandates the man must provide for his family, which women like obviously.

What is the relationship between the time of conversation and the estimated scheduled date of impact with THE WALL?

Post: #49

   

You guys are brutes using unacceptable terminology such as "beating".
What you are talking about is "Gradual Edifying Reconciliation"