Post: #1

Recently I've been just adding people to my circle and have been hanging out with a really cool girl.
She's actually pretty attractive and get's hit on by guys when we go out.
She's not a bar slut like some of the girls I would pray on when I'm out on my own
but when we get together or go out. I don't really hit on other girls.
She has a boyfriend so I wouldn't think it would make her jealous,but I can't get comfortable trying to game around her. (Don't want girls knowing our secrets)
What do I look like rubbing my dick on a chick a couple feet from her or dropping smooth lines on a girl in her earshot.

Finally, she had the talk with me..about why I wasn't acting on all the chicks in the bar, when she's heard a couple stories about me and expected me to be taking the drunk chick that kept bumping into me to the back of the bathroom within the hour.
By the end of the night..I assume I got myself a Women Wingman.

I just don't know what the best strategy would be if I used her to get girls.
She's already said stuff about how she'll see the guy hit on her,get rejected and go right to another girls and think "he's just trying to get laid"
I agreed..Uh..if any of us were doing that..We ARE trying to get laid.
We aren't trying to find girlfriends at a club.

Anyone here have solid advice when gaming with females as wingmen?
There doesnt seem like a dedicated thread on this and I know some of you out there have done it.

Post: #2

I think best way to use a woman to get other women is to fuck her really well. Then she'll tell all her friends, and you can use it to your advantage.

Otherwise, soliciting help from a woman will color her opinion of you, and on her it will leak out of her unconscious when she's trying to 'winging' for you.

For this reason, I don't believe in the concept of a wing-woman. Use women as pivots, for preselection and social proof.

Post: #3

I had a Ukrainian 8, but we were friends with benefits and i got bored/she wanted a relationship, so i told her to either stay as friends or go our separate ways, she wanted to stay friends.

Used her only as proof once, hung out with her and few other people at a bar/club while simultaneously being on the outlook for girls throwing me attention.

That's about it. Having an attractive girl there with you in a platonic manner is like having a scanner/radar that shows clearly your prospects that are interested in you.

Post: #4

Female wingman in my opinion suck. They serve no purpose other than standing next to you to increase social worth. But other then that, most have no idea how to game and when it comes down to it they do more harm then good.

Post: #5

(04-07-2012 03:34 AM)Clearwaterkid Wrote:  Female wingman in my opinion suck. They serve no purpose other than standing next to you to increase social worth. But other then that, most have no idea how to game and when it comes down to it they do more harm then good.

Bingo.

Best strategy for female wings; Don't have them.
They are saboteurs at the best of times. If they are consciously wings, they are going to hold you back. hell, even men don't make good wings most of the time, and at least we're all on the same page.

Post: #6

On a side note, one of my better wings is a gay guy. He is in a relationship with this other guy but the other guy doesn't like to go out to clubs so he rolls with me. He talks me up with girls and keeps them distracted when I have to use the bathroom. Because of his sexual preference, he never gets in the way of a girl I like. He understands game and is a rare find.

Post: #7

(04-07-2012 03:34 AM)Clearwaterkid Wrote:  Female wingman in my opinion suck. They serve no purpose other than standing next to you to increase social worth. But other then that, most have no idea how to game and when it comes down to it they do more harm then good.

^This. The best (and probably only) way to use them is to have them come with you to the venue and pretty much leave you alone when you decide to venture out or pivot your body for an approach. You can point her out across the room (or right behind you) when you're talking to your target. That's pretty low-value, unless she's outright smoking, but even then.

Post: #8

(04-07-2012 09:15 AM)Clearwaterkid Wrote:  On a side note, one of my better wings is a gay guy. He is in a relationship with this other guy but the other guy doesn't like to go out to clubs so he rolls with me. He talks me up with girls and keeps them distracted when I have to use the bathroom. Because of his sexual preference, he never gets in the way of a girl I like. He understands game and is a rare find.

This sounds cool, anyone else had a gay guy wing them?

Post: #9

Never had a gay guy wing, but a gay girl. I don't remember much of how we worked because this is going back 7 years, but I do know it got me my first Soviet flag!

I was chatting on FB with an ex-gf's former roommate, a lesbian. I told her we should/would chase girls when she's in my city, and she was enthusiastic about it. She used to bring home different kinds of girls when she was living with the girl I was dating.

I should have a story about that around this time next month.

Post: #10

They don't have to "wingwomen"....they don't need to help, say or do anything besides being with you. She have to be "hot" (8/9)....It is never a bad thing to have good looking girls with you or in a mixed group whatsoever.

We, men want to have the hottest girl and girls want to have the guy with the hot girl.

Post: #11

(04-07-2012 06:06 PM)Riker Wrote:  This sounds cool, anyone else had a gay guy wing them?

I know this gay guy that's a friend of an ex. I'll see him out now and then and he always throws the flyest girl in his group my way and talks me up to her. A few times he's pulled up girls on facebook, asked me if I thought they were hot, then calls them and says he has a hot guy for them. I'm suspect of his motives though.

Post: #12

(04-09-2012 02:46 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 06:06 PM)Riker Wrote:  This sounds cool, anyone else had a gay guy wing them?

I know this gay guy that's a friend of an ex. I'll see him out now and then and he always throws the flyest girl in his group my way and talks me up to her. A few times he's pulled up girls on facebook, asked me if I thought they were hot, then calls them and says he has a hot guy for them. I'm suspect of his motives though.

Who cares? He's gifting you horses. Don't stare at his mouth.

Post: #13

Female wings are crucial getting into exclusive clubs. Unless you're about to throw down $500+ on a table (which I never do) or you're exceptionally well-connected (which I'm usually not).

I know 3 girls I'd consider good wings. The three of them are rather slutty themselves and I've met all of them through work. They all enjoy clubbing and are totally positive in me fucking hot girls. Two of them are well-connected in clubs across the city, and I hooked up with the best friend of one of them with her help. The three of them are attractive and fun enough to be cool on their own once we get in the club. I almost always roll solo now but if I'm heading to a club on a Friday or Saturday, it'll definitely be with one of these three girls. It makes things much, much easier.

As far as strategies, they're all pretty obvious.

She should keep her mouth shut and look hot.
She should have somewhat of a flirtatious rapport when you two are hanging out.
If she does meet one of your approaches, introduce her as "a friend" and keep it vague, maybe with a sideways smile or glance.
If things escalate with an approach, she should hit the eject button and be okay with finding a ride home or dealing with any logistics changes.

Any more interaction then that and it could lead to awkwardness and/or cockblock.

Post: #14

I lucked on to a solid female wing when I was just really getting in to the club scene and beginning to learn game - she was a tremendous help. At the time most of my friends were, A. coupled up, B. not just bad with game but completely clueless, or C. entirely unreliable. My Wing Woman was my friends, girlfriends, best friend - she was in a relationship but he often worked nights and did not like clubbing, hatted dancing, could not handle his booze and could not deal with the attention she received.

So I filled in as quasi-boyfriend taking her out (though we traded rounds of drinks), dancing, drinking and having a good time. In return she taught me to dance in clubs and was an absolute pro at hooking me up with girls. Shed spot a girl checking me out and would either tell me to go chat talk to her or she would often just grab the girl and bring her to me after talking me up - was magic. She was always full of encouragement, never gave me a hard time about chatting up other women and never dished out lame Cosmo advice.

It was a great mutually beneficial relationship while things lasted. Stupidly I didn't realise she wanted to fuck me until one night she got blind drunk was grinding and humping me on the dancefloor then stuck her tongue down my throat. Like I said I was new at the game and was enjoying a lot of success and also learning a lot having her as a wing. Tragically I was still too much of a nice guy and told her to go back to her complete beta of a boyfriend. The rejection must have hurt because she avoided me at all costs after.

If had a few female friends who on occasion have winged, all were shit except one. A lesbian that I worked with for a few years - she was absolutely shameless and would just flat out ask girls "do you want to lick my pussy? No, well if cock is more your thing my friend Basil over here is the way to go...". We had a few good times and some solid results but it has never been the same.

So yeah the vast majority of women make incredibly bad wings. I think if your looking for a good one - hunt for a girl who has sky high self-confidence and no shame, she will really pimp you, chase down girls for you, whisper in their ear that you are great in bed. Also she wont be on your case for gaming girls ("gee you looked like such as sleaze doing xyz with her"). If your female wing cant really deliver that sort of thing and will have issues with gaming women she is either scaring women away or just giving the same minimal benefit of social proof that can be achieved by being seen with any other attractive woman in the club.

Post: #15

@Basil Very nice post man. One of my buddies has a girlfriend and we went out one night and she volunteered to be my "wingwoman" for the night. She wasn't really a wing at all, she was basically my marketing representative, chasing down girls all over the party and chatting them up for me, making friends with them and then after they were broken in introducing me to them in a very positive light. It was awesome. I got a huge make out session that night with a super tall 7 brunette and 2 or 3 numbers to boost.

Post: #16

Need Advice on Going out with a Wingwoman:

OK, so the reason I found this thread is because I am supposed to hitting up a bar this Thursday with a female friend of mine and I need advice on how best to go about this.

Context:
- She is a 7 probably in most guys eyes' I would even say a 6.5 as she doesn't really pass the sober boner test for me. I haven't hit it, but I probably would hit it if I was drunk and horny :-) A lot of guys do find her attractive though as she is a taller thin blonde with pretty eyes.
- She is supposedly dating some younger guy but it's nothing serious and she has been mostly single last few months.
- I've known her for about a year and recently we hung out a few times either over brunch or coffee, and at parties as we have mutual friends.

So I am keen on going out this night but I rather have some company and as none of my regular wingmen can make it, I invited her out.
I told her that is pretty much a test for her if she is worthy of being my wingwoman.

Now, after reading the posts above I have to admit that maybe having a woman as a wing is not ideal (unless she meets some very narrow characteristics listed in a post above).
Also from what I got in this thread, she should either be inactive and look pretty for pre-selection purposes OR be an active wing and talk you up with potential targets. Sounds like two opposite strategies to me.

So what do you guys think I should do?

And what kind of ground rules should I lay out for her?