Post: #26

Just bought the big mouth off amazon, juicing starts this week.

Post: #27

Check out discountjuicersdotcom. This guy does a good job explaining different juicers to match your needs. If you juice lots of leafy greens, a single-auger type machine might suit you. I also have a centrifigal-type juicer good for apples and non-leafy greens and fruits although it is noisy and spins at a high speed.

I'm an older dude (50's) and I've been juicing heavy since January 1. All my markers including blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides and sugar have fallen into the low-normal range. I feel great and lost 15 pounds of lard.

I got motivated after watching life regenerator, durian rider and others on you tube. I gained lots of great information reading:80-10-10 diet, Dr. Robert Morse, Gerson Diet, Gabriel Cousens, Jay "Juiceman" Kordich and Dr. Neil Barnard. Start educating yourself. You are responsible for your health, not your doctor. Look at your family health history. That will give you a pretty good idea where the problems will be coming from.

I've always been very healthy and energetic but I just didn't have the same energy and started to feel sluggish. My markers started creeping up so I knew I had to do something.

I juice kale, cilantro, celery, carrots and an apple in the morning. I use organic. Mid-morning, I have some fruit, nuts, maybe a granola bar. Lunch is a salad sometimes with chicken. Late afternoon I make another juice just like the morning about 18-20 ounces. Dinner I try and keep healthy, but sometimes I eat Mexican, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese whatever. I just try and stay away from beef or anything fried. I made breakfast smoothies for many years with fruits, greens and green powder, bee pollen but it did not have the same good effect that I get from juicing.

Without health you have nothing. You owe it to yourself to stay in good condition. From my 50+ years on this planet I can tell you that very few people can escape a major health crisis. My friends my age and younger look and feel like crap. Maybe some of it is genetics. Most of it has to be my diet change because I was headed into the abyss until I changed my eating. I'm about 85-90% vegan now.

Juicing was the single best thing I ever did to change my health for the better.

Post: #28

Got me excited there Mike. Thought we were going to be talking test and dianabol, not carrot juice.

Post: #29

Quote:I made breakfast smoothies for many years with fruits, greens and green powder, bee pollen but it did not have the same good effect that I get from juicing.

What's the difference between making a breakfast 'smoothie' with fruit and veg and making a 'juice' which contains fruit and veg? Seems like the same thing to me.

I made some juice once last week with carrots, apple, spinach and lime and it was OK but I never got round to making anymore of it. Need to get back on it.

Post: #30

Juicing is fantastic, there is no dispute, however for my goals and lifestyle, blending (shakes) are superior in that they offer me more nutrients (fruit seeds, vegetable skin, etc) which are mostly discarded while juicing. The massive amounts of added fiber are paramount to providing a feeling of satiation, far beyond what juicing offers.

Post: #31

So smoothies use everything that's edible where as juices you discard the skin and seeds etc. Got it.

Post: #32

Mike, I don't want to hijack this thread (you already pointed out what you were asking for was: juicer or not?) but could you give us some advice as to why you choose juicing instead of blending? You mentioned before sugar rush/carbs is not an issue and since this got me really hooked and I'm considering buying one of two products (juicer or blender) I'd like to know which one would serve me better.

Post: #33

(06-11-2012 01:57 PM)Snowflake Wrote:  Mike, I don't want to hijack this thread (you already pointed out what you were asking for was: juicer or not?) but could you give us some advice as to why you choose juicing instead of blending? You mentioned before sugar rush/carbs is not an issue and since this got me really hooked and I'm considering buying one of two products (juicer or blender) I'd like to know which one would serve me better.

I have a juicer, a Vitamix, a food dehydrator, and I eat vegetables with nearly every meal.

So it's not an either-or-either-or thing.

The goal is to get as many servings of vegetables and fruits in each day.

Also to get a wide variety of fruits and vegetables in your diet.

I hate carrots. But I enjoy juicing them. I enjoy eating kale chips but hate kale juice.

So I'll juice my carrots and dehydrate (or bake) my kale.

Some foods are better as juice to as to specific health conditions.

For example, juicing - but not eating - cabbage unleashes "Vitamin U."

Vitamin U cures peptic ulcers. (Go to PubMed for cites.)

When I was rebuilding my digestive tract, I would juice cabbage each day.

Broccoli sprouts - eating them - kills Helicobacter pylori. So I eat broccoli sprouts and drink cabbage.

Fermented cabbage has probitiocs. So eat your "sour cabbage," too.

See....There's a reason I seem like an "asshole."

Guys come in saying "Juice is bad/spikes your blood sugar" or whatever.

The truth is that juicing is sometimes superior. Sometimes eating your food is superior. There are specific reasons to do specific things and guys who suggest otherwise are know-nothings who shouldn't comment.

And of course if you're going days without eating veggies, then juicing is the best thing you can do for yourself - since even an abstractly suboptimal strategy that improves your day-to-day eating is an improvement.

Post: #34

(06-10-2012 11:25 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Got me excited there Mike. Thought we were going to be talking test and dianabol, not carrot juice.

You ever see what happens to the steroid threads taht get started here?

Know-nothing twerps crap flood it with, "your nuts will shrivel," it's bad for you, etc.

Post: #35

I absolutely agree with Mike. It's not one or the other - it's both and more. If you are experiencing a health crisis, juicing is just one of the many protocols you need to regain your health.

I eat whole fruits, salads and smoothies in addition to juicing. The more fruits and veggies, preferably organic, the better. The science clearly refutes that intake of fresh juices and whole fruits negatively impacts your blood sugar/health. Read Dr. Neal Barnard and his comprehensive research on the subject.

According to early health pioneers Dr. Walker and Dr. Gerson, 90+% of veggie and fruit nutrients are in the juice. By ingesting several pints of juice a day, you are flooding your body with vast amounts of nutrients. It would take many pounds of fruits and veggies to get the same quantity of nutrients.

All I'm saying is that when I experienced a health crisis (ruptured appendix, high cholesterol, high BP) juicing made the biggest difference to regaining my health.

I also did colonics. Every quarter I do a colon, kidney and liver cleanse. I use the protocol from herbdocdotcom. Dr. Schulze treated nothing but terminal patients and cured them naturally. I also do hot/cold hydrotherapy - basically hot and cold showers. I upped my exercise regimen. I took time out of my day to laugh and be happy. I had the old mercury fillings removed from my teeth. I then did chelation (dmps) to remove heavy metals from my body. I take herbs and acupuncture and avoid going to medical doctors if at all possible unless they are wholistic. I still make smoothies and eat mostly vegan (90+). I splurge on regular food when I feel the craving.

I feel great in my fifth decade. My friends my age and younger think I'm crazy. All of them are in decline, sickly, dependent on meds to make it through the day. It's sad really. They are my friends but they only listen to their MD as he prescribes pills with known and unknown side effects. Their days are consumed with pain and lethargy. I don't want to live that way.

Anyway, that's my $.02. Your mileage may vary.

Post: #36

Bought the Breville Juice Fountain for $100 on amazon. Going to try it.

Where do you guys get your veggies? Are farmer's markets cheaper or more expensive to get some of the veggies from? There are a few mexican mercados near me, wondering if that is a good source, better than the chain groceries? (I don't do a lot of shopping to begin with).

What is a good base of veggies to start out with? I'll go this Saturday (getting the juicer on Thursday) to the local farmers market.

Kale
Carrots
Apples
Ginger

and a few other things i see randomly. I'll see how much I can get for $10-15.

Post: #37

Mike posted some great blog posts on this recently. And I have been thinking about it a bit more. For one I drink a fair amount of fruit juice at work. However its Naked Juice, which is Flash pasturized which kills vitamin C and has natural flavors in it. Natural flavors could be MSG, soy, wheat or who knows.

How long do these juices keep for refrigerated? You get the cabbage water from making sauerkraut, is that its just faster the big selling point in this case?

Post: #38

(03-29-2012 06:22 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  Smoothies are the way to go. A lot more fiber, and you keep the enzymes active for longer. I saw Joe Rogan blend up some green leaf veggies and shit. It looks like it tastes disgusting, but has to be good for you. A huge glass like that would probably take someone a little it to choke down (10-15 minutes) at first, but then you'd probably get used to it

This. I bought a VitaMix after seeing this video last year and it has been the best investment I've made in my health. I down (drink) at least 6 servings of veggies per day, that I wouldn't have consumed otherwise, and that is on top of what I actually eat.

Post: #39

16 0z Carrot, beet, cucumber is a good male sex tonic. 10 oz carrot 3 oz beet 3 oz cucumber.

Post: #40

I juice mostly vegetables and then take what I get from that and put it in the blender. In the blender I mix in protein powder, fats, fiber, and stevia. Always experimenting with putting things in and taking things out.

Going to start mixing in green tea, unsweetended cranberry juice, and/or almond milk into the blender. Will make it so I get around 15 ounces of juice and 15 ounces from the green tea/cranberry juice/almond milk. Then have three 10 ounce glasses of that conconction daily.

Post: #41

I'm no expert, but my feeling is that blending juiced veggies is killing some of the benefit. I think you're better off just slamming down the juiced goods right away and then making a separate blended beverage. If you got a decent blender you can add some greens to that too.

An experiment I'm looking to try for a month:

Breakfast (within a hour of waking): 300cal of juiced goods

Lunch: 600-800cal of greens, fruit, added supplements in blender

Dinner: whole veggies + protein, 600-900cal (I'm 6'1 165lbs)

+ the occasional whole milk latte and 3-5 drinks a night several times a week

Post: #42

Have been juicing for about a week now, and in that short of a span I already feel better. Its hard to explain the feeling, its just like this wholesome feeling. Haven't needed caffeine or anything like that to feel energetic either.

I've been making massive juices and drinking half for lunch and half at dinner.

I use a few stalks each of kale and collard greens since they are loaded, throw in some cabbage and brussel sprouts, a cucumber half for juice, and then top it off with a fruit to make it taste good.

This shit is like magic, getting all the benefits of these nasty but nutritious veggies I otherwise wouldn't eat.

Post: #43

Are the benefits of juicing mitigated at all by (1) storing overnight, or (2) putting some protein powder in the mix to get some added sweetness/protein?

Post: #44

(08-28-2012 05:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  Are the benefits of juicing mitigated at all by (1) storing overnight, or (2) putting some protein powder in the mix to get some added sweetness/protein?

1) The juice from typical centrifugal juicers starts to oxidize and lose nutrients immediately, so if you want to store juices overnight, it's better to invest in a masticating juicer. 2) It might. One of the benefits of juicing first thing in the morning is you absorb those micronutrients immediately into your bloodstream. Protein powder and things like that would slow down the process and therefore are better taken on their own later.

Post: #45

(08-28-2012 05:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  Are the benefits of juicing mitigated at all by (1) storing overnight, or (2) putting some protein powder in the mix to get some added sweetness/protein?

I freeze my juices overnight and then let them thaw the next day.

I mix protein powder in my juices.

I've challenged people to prove that you lose the nutrients and enzymes while storing the juice for up to 24 hours.

If you say you lose nutrients, well, what nutrients? And in what percentage do you lose those nutrients?

You hear a lot of mystical bullshit about "heating" juices and what not.

But nothing convincing.

Besides, your calories are going to come from somewhere.

Even "degraded" juices are going to be a major step up for 90% of men.

Post: #46

(08-28-2012 05:54 PM)flyfreshandyoung Wrote:  This shit is like magic, getting all the benefits of these nasty but nutritious veggies I otherwise wouldn't eat.

That is the key and most guys are too dense to get it.

For guys, it's not, "Do I sit around eating 10 carrots in a day, 12 stalks of kale, and five lemons along with some fresh ginger; or am I gong to blend or juice 5-10 pounds of produce?"

Instead it's, "Do I add some sliced onions and a little salsa to my Chipotle to get some veggies in?"

Guys who juice go from getting maybe 1-2 servings of veggies a day to getting 10-12.

So of course we all notice a huge difference.

Celery is insanely good for you. It's also disgusting. THat's why most people eat it with peanut butter. But juiced with lemon and parsley (which is also great for you, but who eats parsley?), celery is fucking awesome.

But guys overlook benefits and instead want to argue, saying blending is better or beets have sugar or whatever.

Those are the guys who never even actually juice.

They are too busy knowing everything to ever actually do anything.

Post: #47

I'm jumping on this bandwagon immediately. I honestly don't know anyone personally that juices, aside from chicks going on juice diets drinking premade shit from a healthfood store. I've dealt with digestive issues for a few years now so a full diet revamp is in order.

Post: #48

Half a lemon, one beet, kale, ginger root, and an apple is my standard dayly juice. If you can afford a vitamix that is a pretty badass piece of equipment. Totally grinds up everything into liquid. It's going to be a purchase soon.

Post: #49

Do you know if I make a juice batch to last through the week, and refridge it, will the nutrient content still be there, or do you have do it on the spot every time?

Post: #50

Also its not expensive at all after you buy the juicer.

My grocery store has bundles of kale and greens for two bucks a pop, cucumbers .79 a pop, and so on. The bundles last four to five juicings, so when you add it up none of your juices will exceed two bucks in all likeliness.