Post: #26

America was founded by two distinct cultures back in the 1600's.


1. The Puritans of New England.

2. The explorers and rapscallions of Virginia.


The Puritans came as families: devoutly religious, calm, and valued security over riches. They made farms and community churches.

The explorers and criminals that founded Jamestown were all men: amoral, lived in the moment, hedonistic, risking taking, and opportunistic. They made slave plantations, sea ports, and trade stations.



Both elements combined to create the American culture we know today: On one side with rigorous laws, mega churches, an incredibly strict and powerful school system, yet on the other side pioneering new technologies, businesses, overseas wage-slave labor, and playboy millionaires every month.

America's greatest strength is the mixture of these two attitudes; on one hand capitalistic, on the other moralistic. It creates the balance between stability and risk taking that allows us to save for the future while simultaneously creating it.



All too often, America's religious and America's opportunists are at odds with each other. They would love for nothing more than to get rid of their moral counterparts. But we need each other. We need the crazy moralistic preachers to provide a backbone to our culture, and give law and order, while the moralistic need the pleasure seeking risk-takers to create the wealth that enriches everyone, and prevent the moralistic from stagnating in mediocrity (see: Islam).

It is America's conflict between these two cultural forces which have produced everything the world knows today; its amoral entertainment; its strict international law and order; its valuation of economic success; its emphasis on education and child support.



I would say that the religious and moralistic have been far too successful within the last thirty years. From the feminists destruction of little boys in school, to the religious campaigning to keep divorce laws strict and harsh punishments against drugs, Americas moralists seems to have choked out much of the Jamestown spirit.

The vast majority of men on this forum are the spiritual decedents of the Jamestown settlers. Had we arrived in Jamestown 400 years ago, we'd be out searching for booty and bitches, enslaving native Americans, and looking for ways to bring riches back to Europe.

No longer able to meet in the real world, we have collected over the internet to pool our intelligence together to find success and glory.



Don't let the naysayers tell you that you're on the wrong path with chasing women and looking for business opportunities. America needs its Jamestown element back. We need the amoral opportunists who create the world for everyone else to live in. We are the men who will create prosperity for everyone's grandchildren, and we will do so by whatever means necessary.

We come from an extremely long line of American opportunists, who have the unique character of being morally corrupt and yet mindful enough to give back to society. While not everyone can be like us, it is safe to say we're such in a minority today that we needn't worry about about chaos and corruption overtaking society.


So to those who are doing whatever it takes to succeed: Be proud. It's in your blood.



P.S. If you liked the analysis above, go read Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America (especially the second volume), which is where I stole most of the above analysis from.

Post: #27

Great post Samseau,

My "go get um" attitude originates around the same time period. When I was a kid my grandmother used to talk about her grandmother. Now we are getting back to the late 1700's. She said they were native Indians that basically lived off the land. They studied the animals and the plant life. My grandmother knew nothing about modern society. She would buy live chickens and kill them to make chicken soup. That's how old world she was. She said her grandmother would talk about the first time they saw the "white man". My great-grandmother didn't even know she was living in the "United States of America" in the 1850's, she thought California was still part of the Spanish Empire!

California didn't become part of the USA until 1850. My family was here long before that. We have since mixed with Spanish explorers, French conquerors, and Austrian businessmen.

Those guys were like the Roosh Forum of the old world. Traveling to strange, distant lands in search of adventure, fortune, and some native pussy!

I can't complain. My family has been ruled by Indian tribes, Spanish kingdoms, French monarchies, Mexican nationalists and now I'm happy we are just "Americans".

We stayed in the same place. The borders are what moved!

When I'm out chasing money, pussy, and happiness, I feel like a little Indian dude in the wild just hunting for my daily meal. Killing a deer, roasting it over an open fire, and sitting by the river with my 4 wives, hoping I don't get killed by a rival tribe or an imperial nation. That's the origin of my "go get um" attitude!

Your great-great-grandfather probably fucked my great-great-grandmother! Because of his blond hair and blue eyes!!

Post: #28

reading this made me reflect on who i used to be. i used to think of taking risks as stupid, hell i would even go as far to downplay my friends' ambitions of doing great things because i thought them silly. but now it's flipped, i woke up, i guess, i can see my life is only to go as far as i am willing to take it, and meanwhile i'm watching my friends drift into the mindset i used to harbor.

basically: i learned that giving up is weak, and i was raised to be weak, and now i'm fighting back against it and re-training ever facet of my life.

Post: #29

(03-22-2012 01:12 AM)houston Wrote:  Chad you need to come down here if you can't open up a restaurant up there. Texas is very business friendly. Damn, I can't even imagine living somewhere where there's no hole in the wall and cheap ghetto restaurants.

I could go a lot of places and do a lot of things if I had the capability. The problem I (and many young people have) is that I signed my soul on the dotted line and bought that lie that student loans and car payments are the building blocks to a better tomorrow.

Roosh, I read Dead Bat and I remember you talking about your plan to get out of DC and into SA and it involved saving a large sum of money (something like $30K? or maybe $10K either way) the problem is the lives a lot of the guys in the generation just below you who are the age now, you were then, we cant save, at all. We're indebted and paid terribly.

Same with Houston's idea of moving to start a business. You need money to do that. The guys of this generation that are excelling are all inhernetly wealthy, if even a little bit. Zuckerberg was a Harvard kid. Had he been some poor computer genius from some inner city or country school that was skating by I'd buy the Kool-Aid of that idea.

I bet Facebook never would have been (god we can only wish cant we) if The Zuck was stuck working 1.5 jobs 60 hours a week ontop of school just so he could manage to afford to exist.

You can call this attitude defeatist all you want, it doesn't change the fact that we've been systematically financially neutered so that we're no longer a threat. Sometimes you genuinely are defeated. BUT that doesn't mean you cant get back up for round 2, and I think thats where the "Millenials" are gonna come in.

Some of us are fighting back, but this pipe dream of "just go start a business" isn't the way anymore. My plan is to Borg the system, assimilate and then destroy from with in.

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Post: #30

The older generation has eunuchized the younger one.They appear superior in everything.I have told them that their achievements and self picture are highly doubted.They were founded on a mountain of debt which they let the younger generation to pay.In my opinion they will be called soon to prove they are the fighters who they were supposed to be.Till that the new generations have a passive aggressive attitude.

Post: #31

People crave safety > adventure these days because we're taught to fear. From a young age we are constantly taught to be afraid of the unknown rather than embrace it, along with its inherent risks. Examples: Stranger Danger (and accompanying pedophile hysteria), rape hysteria, terrorism, gangs, smoking, junk food, cancer, drugs (+ the war on).

We are taught to fear all of those things, and while none of them are exactly worth celebrating, this approach creates a climate of fear. We become moe easily afraid as a consequence.

A tandem of this is status competition. Consumerism, conspicuous consumption, whatever you want to call it. We are taught that we have to be this perfect, feminist approved and hollywood approved person. We are taught that we have to be rich, successful and have a big house with a nice car. The importance of these things is stressed so much in our culture that we become terrified of others seeing us fail.

A personal example - I was told through my entire education that because I was smart I had to "go to university and get a good job" for society's sake. Telling all the smart kids that isn't gonna breed a generation of entrepreneurs, you're gonna get a bunch of pen pushing status jockeys who brag about how much unpaid over time they do.

Spend 18 years having those beliefs pushed on you, then go and "just start a business".

Post: #32

I would say a simple start would be to only work in small private biz and just observe and see what makes the place tick. I started in the garage when I was 13 for work study which is leave school at 11:30 and go work for credit instead..By 16 I was way over 10 dollars an hour and could run the whole place actually better than I run my clusterfuck of a business.

I do almost no paperwork and just let it pile up until my book keeper comes and tells me how fucked up I am and sends in all my corporate shit that I have no clue about what it even is. The shit is more simple than working for someone. I made 2k clean on Friday alone. Where am I going to work and do that while posting here and going on dating sites all day?

Here's one I asked for help with and nobody wants in. The local cabbies rent the cabs for 100 dollars a day. Put three on the road and a fourth you run dispatch on. I have the office and the shop to fix the cars, the location, and drivers who want to rent them with their own customers. I even have a local auction to get the Crown vics cheap. That's 9k a month in rent to pay insurance and car repairs plus whatever you make with the fourth car which could be a van for airport runs etc. Why will nobody do this with me? I can sit down and rattle off ideas all day long like this.

Here's why nobody will do this. They expect me to do it for them. If I had the time I would do it myself but I don't. No money? Trade your shit for a crown vic and drive it bootleg and save for a second car. Do you guys know what kind of retards we have here driving cabs and making a couple hundred a day? Broken power windows, Ac all coked out you name it. I took one from the casino to steak and shake to my hotel for 40 dollars. Do that ten times a day. How many of you guys make 400 a day?

Post: #33

(03-19-2012 10:30 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  One of the things that perplexed my German friends about Americans is our ability to take on a task/problem with sometimes no plan, no guarantee of success, the odds against us, and with humiliation possibly being the only outcome. To those guys, nothing is worth really trying unless you're sure it's going to work. Otherwise you're just fucking around and are not serious. I never understood this. Maybe it's because I'm an arrogant American and all that, but when I was a kid we were always told that the reward is worth the effort. That you never know the outcome of something unless you try. History is littered with people who have failed numerous times, but eventually get it right. In fact, American movies are built on that cliche. But why are so many other countries not like that? The only thing more embarrassing to a German (and a lot of other EU countries) than being wrong about something is to fail at something, consistently. It seems like a lot of graduates and young people I talk to just want safety and security over trying something different that could pay off big dividends. When I tell my friends about my plans they sort of just laugh, like yeah right man keep dreaming. How are you ever going to do this and that and this? Because I'm crazy motherfucker would rather fail doing something he likes than do the "right thing" and die a slow death in suburban bliss with the wife and kids. I wonder if this also manifests itself in game.

Also I've noticed this in chicks I've dated. Maybe this is just a flaw in my ability to pick girls, but I've noticed roughly 90% of girls I've dated in my life have been like this. They really wouldn't attempt anything unless victory was 100% assured. If there was a chance, even a small chance, that they'd get embarrassed or be unsuccessful or anything like that most of them won't even attempt it. I had a young German girlfriend who was given a house by her parents but refused to do anything with it out of fear of failure. I gave her many ideas, like renting it out to Americans at high prices that no German would pay (very common in Germany actually) as she would have an advantage of speaking English which would make Americans trust her and like her over the older disgruntled Germans who don't speak any. She wouldn't even attempt it because of obscure reasons and non-guarantee of success. Just the thought of something like that was daunting to her, the thought of having to fix everything and the non assurance that Americans would rent it. So she dropped the whole idea. She could have made hundreds of thousands of euros over this house that's just sitting doing nothing. Another girl is a Japanese girl who had it with Japan and wanted to move to America at all costs. She came over and lived with me for a few months (just left a few weeks ago actually) rent free while she made it happen. But she soon lost confidence as her English wasn't that good. She didn't even try to get a job because of this, and the idea of networking with other Japanese here never crossed her mind. In fact, a lot of things never crossed her mind and I didn't wanna hold her hand, but it seems like every idea I gave her was something she'd never thought about before but she didn't want to try it because of various reasons (she could fail, they could not like her because of her English, she may have to go back to Japan anyway, etc). So she had to go back to Japan with nothing to show for her chance but an emptier bank account. It seems to me like chicks only want to try something if success is pretty much guaranteed. Don't get me wrong, she's a hard working girl. But just in stuff she knows she's already good in.

I wonder if in schools overseas teachers ever ask kids what they want to do before they die, or what do they want to be known for, and shit like that, because when I ask people that they look confused and perplexed trying to answer. I can't believe people seriously don't give questions like that much thought. Most people seem to be contempt with just working everyday and dying. I don't know am I being a dick or what? I think you only get one life on this bitch and I'm trying to sleep when I'm dead. I don't have bucket list or anything, but I'm trying to do everything that I've dreamed of doing since I was a child and if that makes me crazy or selfish then so be it.

Europeans are lazy. This and more at 11:00...

Post: #34

(03-24-2012 05:29 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I would say a simple start would be to only work in small private biz and just observe and see what makes the place tick. I started in the garage when I was 13 for work study which is leave school at 11:30 and go work for credit instead..By 16 I was way over 10 dollars an hour and could run the whole place actually better than I run my clusterfuck of a business.

I do almost no paperwork and just let it pile up until my book keeper comes and tells me how fucked up I am and sends in all my corporate shit that I have no clue about what it even is. The shit is more simple than working for someone. I made 2k clean on Friday alone. Where am I going to work and do that while posting here and going on dating sites all day?

Here's one I asked for help with and nobody wants in. The local cabbies rent the cabs for 100 dollars a day. Put three on the road and a fourth you run dispatch on. I have the office and the shop to fix the cars, the location, and drivers who want to rent them with their own customers. I even have a local auction to get the Crown vics cheap. That's 9k a month in rent to pay insurance and car repairs plus whatever you make with the fourth car which could be a van for airport runs etc. Why will nobody do this with me? I can sit down and rattle off ideas all day long like this.

Here's why nobody will do this. They expect me to do it for them. If I had the time I would do it myself but I don't. No money? Trade your shit for a crown vic and drive it bootleg and save for a second car. Do you guys know what kind of retards we have here driving cabs and making a couple hundred a day? Broken power windows, Ac all coked out you name it. I took one from the casino to steak and shake to my hotel for 40 dollars. Do that ten times a day. How many of you guys make 400 a day?

Sounds like a plan, but what about all the legal stuff? What about insurance? And up here in the NE cabs are heavily regulate. They only issue so many medallions in some towns.
Not to mention the risk of picking up a customer with a piece.

Post: #35

(03-24-2012 06:10 PM)ColSpanker Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 05:29 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I would say a simple start would be to only work in small private biz and just observe and see what makes the place tick. I started in the garage when I was 13 for work study which is leave school at 11:30 and go work for credit instead..By 16 I was way over 10 dollars an hour and could run the whole place actually better than I run my clusterfuck of a business.

I do almost no paperwork and just let it pile up until my book keeper comes and tells me how fucked up I am and sends in all my corporate shit that I have no clue about what it even is. The shit is more simple than working for someone. I made 2k clean on Friday alone. Where am I going to work and do that while posting here and going on dating sites all day?

Here's one I asked for help with and nobody wants in. The local cabbies rent the cabs for 100 dollars a day. Put three on the road and a fourth you run dispatch on. I have the office and the shop to fix the cars, the location, and drivers who want to rent them with their own customers. I even have a local auction to get the Crown vics cheap. That's 9k a month in rent to pay insurance and car repairs plus whatever you make with the fourth car which could be a van for airport runs etc. Why will nobody do this with me? I can sit down and rattle off ideas all day long like this.

Here's why nobody will do this. They expect me to do it for them. If I had the time I would do it myself but I don't. No money? Trade your shit for a crown vic and drive it bootleg and save for a second car. Do you guys know what kind of retards we have here driving cabs and making a couple hundred a day? Broken power windows, Ac all coked out you name it. I took one from the casino to steak and shake to my hotel for 40 dollars. Do that ten times a day. How many of you guys make 400 a day?

Sounds like a plan, but what about all the legal stuff? What about insurance? And up here in the NE cabs are heavily regulate. They only issue so many medallions in some towns.
Not to mention the risk of picking up a customer with a piece.

Just insurance no meters required only some cabs have them. A gun huh? See this is the problem I'm talking about cash and you are asking about guns. Someone pulls a gun blow his head off with yours. The one thing is the other cab companies may want to torch the cabs. I would torch theirs first. lol

Post: #36

This thread should be MANDATORY for all newbies to the forum and game.

Failure and adversity are intertwined. Learn from your mistakes, and you can conquer the world.

Post: #37

I think in America is much more easy to get and apply an idea.There is risk taking.Here it is not like that.There are several pimps who want a portion.Also you cannot do everything as you wish.For example I noticed how malls are made in America and asked in shops if it is allowed to build anything like that.They told me no it is forbidden to do that kind of shops(lights,windows,interiors like shops in American malls).I think it is the same all over Europe.They do not allow it.

Post: #38

The go get them attitude is for winners. Europe lost the world war. So it´s no surprise that specially in germany people are more humble. I found this text which is maybe relevant to the discussion. Even when you are a loser you still can survive and have children which is told to be the "aim" of evolution:

"Rank theory is an evolutionary theory of depression, developed by Anthony Stevens and John Price, and proposes that depression promotes the survival of genes. It is an adaptive response to losing status (rank) and losing confidence in the ability to regain it. The adaptive function of the depression is to change behaviour to promote survival for someone who has been defeated. According to rank theory, depression was naturally selected to allow us to accept a subordinate role. The function of this depressive adaptation is to prevent the loser from suffering further defeat in a conflict.
In the face of defeat, a behavioural process swings into action which causes the individual to cease competing and reduce his ambitions. This process is involuntary and results in the loss of energy, depressed mood, sleep disturbance, poor appetite, and loss of confidence, which are typical characteristics of depression. The outward symptoms of depression (facial expressions, constant crying, etc.) signal to others that the loser is not fit to compete, and they also discourage others from attempting to restore the loser's rank.
This acceptance of a lower rank would serve to stabilise an ancestral human community, promoting the survival of any individual (or individual's genes) in the community through affording protection from other human groups, retaining access to resources, and to mates. The adaptive function of accepting a lower rank is twofold: first, it ensures that the loser truly yields and does not attempt to make a comeback, and, second, the loser reassures the winner that yielding has truly taken place, so that the conflict ends, with no further damage to the loser. Social harmony is then restored." from wiki

Post: #39

dulst Wrote:A personal example - I was told through my entire education that because I was smart I had to "go to university and get a good job" for society's sake. Telling all the smart kids that isn't gonna breed a generation of entrepreneurs, you're gonna get a bunch of pen pushing status jockeys who brag about how much unpaid over time they do.

Spend 18 years having those beliefs pushed on you, then go and "just start a business".

"Grades create a preference for the easiest possible task. Impress upon students that what they're doing will count towards their grade, and their response will likely be to avoid taking any unnecessary intellectual risks. They'll choose a shorter book, or a project on a familiar topic, in order to minimize the chance of doing poorly--not because they're 'unmotivated' but because they're rational. They're responding to adults who, by telling them the goal is to get a good mark, have sent the message that success matters more than learning."

Post: #40

(03-25-2012 04:26 PM)blurb Wrote:  [quote=dulst]
"Grades create a preference for the easiest possible task. Impress upon students that what they're doing will count towards their grade, and their response will likely be to avoid taking any unnecessary intellectual risks. They'll choose a shorter book, or a project on a familiar topic, in order to minimize the chance of doing poorly--not because they're 'unmotivated' but because they're rational. They're responding to adults who, by telling them the goal is to get a good mark, have sent the message that success matters more than learning."

Literally my education defined in 4 sentences.

Post: #41

(03-21-2012 07:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Like Hencredible said, this is one of the things that makes (or made?) America great. I am who I am because of this "never give up" and "keep trying until you succeed" attitude.

Yes. If you are afraid to be wrong you will never get the chance to be right.

And in the end when you die you will forget all of your strike-outs (so will everyone else) but you will remember your home runs for sure.

Post: #42

(03-24-2012 04:53 PM)dulst Wrote:  A personal example - I was told through my entire education that because I was smart I had to "go to university and get a good job" for society's sake. Telling all the smart kids that isn't gonna breed a generation of entrepreneurs, you're gonna get a bunch of pen pushing status jockeys who brag about how much unpaid over time they do.

Spend 18 years having those beliefs pushed on you, then go and "just start a business".

I did.

I don't mean offence to anyone in this thread, but it is amusing how a thread about 'go get 'em' attitudes devolves into some debate about how oppressed you all are.

Jesus. the 'Go get em' attitude is the opposite of what you guys are talking about. You can start making connections today. You can start saving money today. You can start innovating today.

Just fucking do it. You aren't in school anymore, and as an adult you should realise that your teachers were only teaching because they weren't good enough to be successful themselves. WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE ELSE HAS EVER TOLD YOU? There is a serious lack of belief going on today, and the answer is to just get on with doing stuff. Otherwise you end up doing nothing, and nothing changes.

If you want the go-get-em attitude, that is what you need to drill into yourself.

In my opinion.

Post: #43

It's great to have a "go get 'em" attitude, but one needs to be a realist at times and have backup/contingency plans. Personally, I think we get caught up in "what is supposedly manly" and what is practical.

Post: #44

(03-19-2012 10:30 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  One of the things that perplexed my German friends about Americans is our ability to take on a task/problem with sometimes no plan, no guarantee of success, the odds against us, and with humiliation possibly being the only outcome. To those guys, nothing is worth really trying unless you're sure it's going to work. Otherwise you're just fucking around and are not serious. I never understood this.

I am like that, and yes, that still amuses me too about Americans.

Quote:Maybe it's because I'm an arrogant American and all that, but when I was a kid we were always told that the reward is worth the effort. That you never know the outcome of something unless you try. History is littered with people who have failed numerous times, but eventually get it right.

We were told different things. We were told to measure a thing seven times before you cut it because if you screw up you won't get another thing. That what you consider a valuable reward at this moment may mean nothing to you in just ten years, and you'll feel sorry for the time you wasted. That you can just assume you wouldn't like the taste of shit, you don't have to actually taste it. That when you're in a coffin you don't care whether it is platinum or plastic. And that there are things in life which are important, but getting rich or getting famous is neither of them.

Quote:It seems like a lot of graduates and young people I talk to just want safety and security over trying something different that could pay off big dividends.

And I wonder why people with this mentality don't gamble. After all, the chance to win double in roulette is 49% or so, and the chance for your business to success is well below 10%.

Quote:I wonder if this also manifests itself in game.

Yes, it does.
Assuming everything else constant, your numbers will exceed mine.
But you'll spend significantly - and we're talking orderS of magnitude here - more effort per bang than I would.

Quote:She wouldn't even attempt it because of obscure reasons and non-guarantee of success. Just the thought of something like that was daunting to her, the thought of having to fix everything and the non assurance that Americans would rent it. So she dropped the whole idea. She could have made hundreds of thousands of euros over this house that's just sitting doing nothing.

Yep, this is true. What is called here in America "rejecting opportunities" is the way of life there. For example a few years ago one company I know had a trouble finding someone to fill up the middle management position because every single person in the company who'd be qualified for the promotion rejected it. This is pretty typical in Europe, and the reason I remember it was because the guy who initiated the process was American and he didn't believe nobody wanted the promotion until he talked to all of us one-by-one.

Same way I routinely reject bang opportunities unless the outcome is virtually guaranteed. As a result when the first time I read about the last minute resistance in "bang" I thought Roosh made this thing up as it never happened in my life.

Quote:I wonder if in schools overseas teachers ever ask kids what they want to do before they die, or what do they want to be known for, and shit like that, because when I ask people that they look confused and perplexed trying to answer. I can't believe people seriously don't give questions like that much thought.

No, they do not teach that. In fact I can't believe someone would give any thought to a questions like that, and you'd probably have a very hard time trying to persuade me those things are even worth thinking about.

Post: #45

(03-26-2012 06:08 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 04:53 PM)dulst Wrote:  A personal example - I was told through my entire education that because I was smart I had to "go to university and get a good job" for society's sake. Telling all the smart kids that isn't gonna breed a generation of entrepreneurs, you're gonna get a bunch of pen pushing status jockeys who brag about how much unpaid over time they do.

Spend 18 years having those beliefs pushed on you, then go and "just start a business".

I did.

I don't mean offence to anyone in this thread, but it is amusing how a thread about 'go get 'em' attitudes devolves into some debate about how oppressed you all are.

Jesus. the 'Go get em' attitude is the opposite of what you guys are talking about. You can start making connections today. You can start saving money today. You can start innovating today.

Just fucking do it. You aren't in school anymore, and as an adult you should realise that your teachers were only teaching because they weren't good enough to be successful themselves. WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE ELSE HAS EVER TOLD YOU? There is a serious lack of belief going on today, and the answer is to just get on with doing stuff. Otherwise you end up doing nothing, and nothing changes.

If you want the go-get-em attitude, that is what you need to drill into yourself.

In my opinion.

Here's the problem, I'm assuming the past tense in your response of "I did" implies that you're older, maybe not alot older, but old enough. You're not trying to start a business NOW when something like gas prices is enough to take a massive bite out of your budget.

A good example of how things have changed. I remember when I was in college, not even five years ago, a soda was a dollar. Go to 7-11 and a Coke 20oz was $0.99 go to a 7-11 now, its almost $2.00 but no one has really noticed.

Things have changed, the problem is no one has realized it. It literally isn't that simple anymore.

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Post: #46

(03-26-2012 05:44 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  Here's the problem, I'm assuming the past tense in your response of "I did" implies that you're older, maybe not alot older, but old enough. You're not trying to start a business NOW when something like gas prices is enough to take a massive bite out of your budget.

A good example of how things have changed. I remember when I was in college, not even five years ago, a soda was a dollar. Go to 7-11 and a Coke 20oz was $0.99 go to a 7-11 now, its almost $2.00 but no one has really noticed.

Things have changed, the problem is no one has realized it. It literally isn't that simple anymore.

It is actually easier to make money and start a business now compared to before.

We all got screwed one way or another. It is what you do after getting kicked in the nuts that make you a man. Sounds like you are making more and more excuses instead of changing your circumstances.

You're a chef. That skill can be used anywhere you go. Instead of staying where you are why don't you move. No money? You are telling me you can scratch enough money together to make a move. El Mech told you about Florida but instead you stay where you are which is leading you to nowhere fast.

Look at El Mech posts. This guy sees money everywhere. You develop a mindset like that then you won't be complaining so much. Seriously, money is everywhere.

I started my own business and had student loans and car loans. Hell, I stopped paying on my student loans so I could concentrate on my business cashflow. I moved to a country where the costs was low and didn't need a car while I worked on my business. It was either make money or get kicked on the street. No money, no food. I couldn't even get a job in the country I lived and had to hustle it all online.

Post: #47

(03-26-2012 05:44 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 06:08 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 04:53 PM)dulst Wrote:  A personal example - I was told through my entire education that because I was smart I had to "go to university and get a good job" for society's sake. Telling all the smart kids that isn't gonna breed a generation of entrepreneurs, you're gonna get a bunch of pen pushing status jockeys who brag about how much unpaid over time they do.

Spend 18 years having those beliefs pushed on you, then go and "just start a business".

I did.

I don't mean offence to anyone in this thread, but it is amusing how a thread about 'go get 'em' attitudes devolves into some debate about how oppressed you all are.

Jesus. the 'Go get em' attitude is the opposite of what you guys are talking about. You can start making connections today. You can start saving money today. You can start innovating today.

Just fucking do it. You aren't in school anymore, and as an adult you should realise that your teachers were only teaching because they weren't good enough to be successful themselves. WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE ELSE HAS EVER TOLD YOU? There is a serious lack of belief going on today, and the answer is to just get on with doing stuff. Otherwise you end up doing nothing, and nothing changes.

If you want the go-get-em attitude, that is what you need to drill into yourself.

In my opinion.

Here's the problem, I'm assuming the past tense in your response of "I did" implies that you're older, maybe not alot older, but old enough. You're not trying to start a business NOW when something like gas prices is enough to take a massive bite out of your budget.

A good example of how things have changed. I remember when I was in college, not even five years ago, a soda was a dollar. Go to 7-11 and a Coke 20oz was $0.99 go to a 7-11 now, its almost $2.00 but no one has really noticed.

Things have changed, the problem is no one has realized it. It literally isn't that simple anymore.

I just turned 23.

I started my business at nearly 22, and thus far its paid for grad school, my own place and all the basics.

I invested cheap change - maybe $1000 over the past couple of years total, and I'm hoping to scale it up within the next year or so to the point where I guess a lot of people would like to be; never need a job from the man, can move about etc.

My details are irrelevant though, the point is it can be done. There are people who've done a lot more with a lot less and vice versa. All it takes is balls, a little cash (I mean, hardly any) and the discipline to work, read, study, etc. for hours and hours and hours. And more hours.

If gas is a problem, drive less. If food is a problem, eat less. If you really want it, you'll get it. I got my monthly expenses down to less than $300 at one point, and that was for everything. Rent, food, and I said fuck 'leisure time.' I also have student loans (I'll be paying those off in full come September though, with any luck.)

I appreciate that not everyone is going to be as Spartan about it as I am, but the fact is there is nothing I've done that can't be replicated or improved on or tailored to your niche. You can do it, so just change every 'can't' in your head to 'don't want to.'

'I don't want to drive less.'
'I don't want to study up on business when I could be out partying.'

etc. The reasons disappear once they've been tampered with. Also, you're probably thinking 'It is so hard to get ahead, you have to sacrifice a lot.' I've no reason to believe that that has always been the case, and in fact you have to sacrifice a lot less now to get ahead than you used to have to.

And once that initial start-up period is done, life gets easier and easier. The only reason I'm so young and still feel I can even talk about it is because I'm pretty much on the downside of starting up now; the skies are getting clearer.

I want you all to join me at that point.

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(03-27-2012 05:12 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  I just turned 23.

I started my business at nearly 22, and thus far its paid for grad school, my own place and all the basics.

Kitsune,

What type of business do you have?? Products??

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(03-24-2012 05:29 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  How many of you guys make 400 a day?

I'm a lazy fucker who has occasional periods of lucid creativity. During those times I may come up with business ideas, all of which seem viable. If I have a crisis, such as an ongoing shortage of money, I'll slug away haphazardly at all the ideas at once. A few of the ideas will actually work. If I can then focus (which is not easy due to overconfidence in the poorer ideas), some businesses can do moderately well. Occasionally quite well.

But my problem is that I only work due to crisis.

Last year for example my business was doing well. My expenses were generously paid for and I was saving a bit. But I had a medical crisis that was going to need $15,000 over three months. Without that need, I never would have bothered to re-focus my attentions and get to real work. Instead of spending the $15,000 from savings, I invested it into my business and tripled my income.

But now I'm just coasting again. I could probably triple my income again, but the fact is I don't have enough crisis to impel me.

I think this board has a lot of high earners. Quite a few earning $400 or more a day is my guess. I've had peak periods where I'd earn as much as $1000/day over the month, and long periods of clearing maybe $30/day. I'm nicely over $400/day after "taxes" now, but I need to re-frame that to myself as not enough. Actually, it isn't, because my business has no security at all. I need to somehow need $1000 a day before I'll go out and make it happen.