Post: #1

I was looking through the website of an activist group apparently located in DC that is fighting against what it calls "street harassment" (found it through one of the links on Roosh's blog. Upon looking through the testimonies I came across posts like this...

Quote:I was walking quickly through the store to the back of the food section to pick up a spice I needed. I was wearing my headphones, though one earpiece is broken. A tall man approached me from behind and asked, “Can you hear me?”

I replied, “Yes.”

He said, “Good because you didn’t see me when you passed me earlier, and I wanted to tell you you look good.”

Livid and scared, I started screaming and cursing at him that his behavior was totally inappropriate and that it made him seem like a rapist to follow me into an empty aisle at the back of the store. I informed him that headphones and no eye contact meant that I didn’t want to talk to anyone — especially him. I also yelled, “What were you hoping to get out of this!? Were you hoping that I would go out with you!?” He didn’t have an answer and kind of slunk away. I felt bad later about screaming at him, and wish I would have handled it better.

This made me laugh at first, but it was also slightly disturbing. So far I've never come accross this kind of reaction when approaching women (either at night or on the street), but I wonder what it must feel like being on the receiving end of this kind of insanity. Has anyone had similar experiences of approaching crazy women on the street and having them go off on you? If so, then how did you react?

Post: #2

She's ugly, and ugly girls don't get approached.

Fiction.

Post: #3

I have never had a single women flip-out/ scream rape. Ive had bad approaches and bad reactions, but i have never been punched in the face by a jealous boyfriend (well, pre-bang at least) or had my cheeks slit open by a vicious feline.

Post: #4

Holy shit, I googled "dc street harassment" and you're right.. they started an anti-street game group!!

http://www.collectiveactiondc.org/2012/0...endshweek/

They're going to have a week long protest movement starting tomorrow.. give me a break.. a couple of words never killed anyone.. yeah, if the dude is manhandling the girl, but just saying "you look nice?" This is out of control.

Post: #5

Just took a look at that site.

I may have to re-think my decision to move/stay in DC.

Post: #6

I can just imagine the PC shit-storm about this once one of these women lose it on some homosexual dude approaching them and telling them that he likes their style and asks where she got her scarf or something.

I think Britain is trying to pass a law about this.

Post: #7

This may be slightly off topic, but I really wonder why they only put pictures of obese women on their site.

Post: #8

The site even has a map with pins on where these monstrosities were "harassed". If you click on the pins their stories pop up, some of them are just ridiculous. Roissy would have a field day with this site.

Post: #9

more gems...

Quote:A man in a white work van whistled and yelled “hey baby” at me. I was dressed fairly conservatively (jeans and a hoodie).

Quote:he asks how old I am. I ask him why he wants to know my age and trying to ignore him I turn back around to look out the window. Then he sees my iPod in my hand and actually reaches over to touch my iPod. He tries to turn the screen towards him and asks “Ohhh, what are you listening to?” I pull the iPod away from him and tell him, “No. Don’t touch my iPod.” Obviously not getting the point he says, “What’s your name?” I ask him why he wants to know my name and then he gets indignant. “Oh, I was just trying to talk to you but if you don’t wanna talk that’s all you had to say.” I tell him, “Look, I’m sorry but I’m tired and I don’t feel like talking.”

Now that I look back on it, I wish I hadn’t apologized to him. It’s 11:30 at night, I’m on the bus alone…I don’t KNOW you.[...]

Quote:A few evenings ago around 8 or 9pm, I was getting off the bus at Georgia and Irving, and was walking east on Irving back to my house. I was just a few houses away, and a man came up behind me, and kept saying, “hey beautiful. hey beautiful. You have an extra cigarette for me, beautiful?” There was no one else on the street, but I was on the phone at the time, and loudly stated that someone was harassing me, and gave my exact address at that moment.

Complaints about being groped I can understand, but being approached on the street with "hey beautiful" or "what are you listening to?". These people must have no other problems in life.

Post: #10

(03-17-2012 02:27 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  I was looking through the website of an activist group apparently located in DC that is fighting against what it calls "street harassment"

Post: #11

(03-17-2012 10:55 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  This may be slightly off topic, but I really wonder why they only put pictures of obese women on their site.

This appears to be a black and Hispanic cause, probably with some white feminists clumping on as an outlet for their latent misandry. I quite think this is linked to the oft-noted sexually aggressive character of the ghetto and machismo subcultures.

Roosh writes in Daybang that an average man will go through life without ever doing a cold approach. In my primarily-white MUC dwellings, I see very few cold approaches, esp on the street. Yet I walk through some of these semi-gentrified hipster neighborhoods where there is still a significant slice of the old crowd, and hear whistles and catcalls and all the rest of it. I still think calling it "street harassment" is a bit melodramatic. If anything, those guys could benefit from some indirect openers.

Post: #12

That's never happened to me. I think i'd be kind of freaked out if a girl started screaming, cussing and causing a scene. I'd probably get jumped by a group of white knights if I didn't leave fast enough.

Lmao at that Clint Eastwood gif.

This is in DC LMAO! What a surprise. I would actually hit up one of those events and go at it with those feminist idiots. You might even be able to fuck one....

Post: #13

DC chicks go through life embracing multiculturalism and diversity.

Then they participate in an anti-harassment group that targets the predominately minority men that approach them.

Post: #14

(03-18-2012 07:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  DC chicks go through life embracing multiculturalism and diversity.

Then they participate in an anti-harassment group that targets the predominately minority men that approach them.

I notice SWPLs are all about diversity and culture, yet live in white enclaves with Shenanigans-style fake-motif bars and listen to mass-produced pop music.

Post: #15

I've been wondering for a while. What does SWPL stand for?

Post: #16

Well, they say this:

Quote:

Quote:A man walks up to a woman on a Metro train and tells her she looks good in that skirt.

Is that an insult, sexual harassment or a compliment?

A grass-roots group says it’s a form of “street harassment” that has become all too common throughout the transit network.

What I would have said if Dana asked me the question, is if that person who gave the compliment got angry/insulted and started saying curse words and invading her space, that would be considered public sexual harassment. If that person who gave the compliment got angry/insulted and then decided to follow the target of his compliment (period) and/or attempted to touch her or take pictures of her underneath her skirt without her consent, that would be public sexual harassment (and attempted battery/assault). But, if that person who gave the compliment and the target of his compliment didn’t respond, and he continued on his merry way, it would be considered whatever the person who received that compliment considers it to be. Most people who receive that compliment would not consider that harassment. And, we at Collective Action for Safe Spaces don’t necessarily consider that public sexual harassment. But, let’s be real here.

MOST OF THE EXPERIENCES PEOPLE SUBMIT ON THIS SITE ARE OFTEN OF THE FORMER, NOT OF THE LATTER.

I somewhat agree with their definition (though I think it only really qualifies as harassment if you tell someone to fuck off and they continue bothering you. And the severity of touching depends on where you're being touched, of course.). And that if you're gaming normally, you wouldn't be guilty of what she defines as harassment.

But I think they do ultimately classify certain occasions as harassment, when, according to her own definition, it isn't. Unless you follow a chick who didn't like your game, you aren't guilty of any harassment by their definition. But they seem to be calling out those guys regardless.

It'd be funny if you went up to one of these girls and said, "Hey, wanna fuck?" I'm sure some would cry "harassment!!!" But if you were a hot girl going up to a regular guy, let's just say 'harassment' would not be on his mind. And we can't have a different standard for each sex, because that would be sexist...

Link: http://www.collectiveactiondc.org/2012/0...-coverage/

Post: #17

(03-18-2012 07:18 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  I've been wondering for a while. What does SWPL stand for?

Stuff White People Like, http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/

A self-parody of modern urban yuppies. The list includes picking their own fruit, TED talks, kickball and microbrews.

Post: #18

(03-18-2012 07:25 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Well, they say this:

Quote:

Quote:A man walks up to a woman on a Metro train and tells her she looks good in that skirt.

Is that an insult, sexual harassment or a compliment?

A grass-roots group says it’s a form of “street harassment” that has become all too common throughout the transit network.

What I would have said if Dana asked me the question, is if that person who gave the compliment got angry/insulted and started saying curse words and invading her space, that would be considered public sexual harassment. If that person who gave the compliment got angry/insulted and then decided to follow the target of his compliment (period) and/or attempted to touch her or take pictures of her underneath her skirt without her consent, that would be public sexual harassment (and attempted battery/assault). But, if that person who gave the compliment and the target of his compliment didn’t respond, and he continued on his merry way, it would be considered whatever the person who received that compliment considers it to be. Most people who receive that compliment would not consider that harassment. And, we at Collective Action for Safe Spaces don’t necessarily consider that public sexual harassment. But, let’s be real here.

MOST OF THE EXPERIENCES PEOPLE SUBMIT ON THIS SITE ARE OFTEN OF THE FORMER, NOT OF THE LATTER.

I somewhat agree with their definition (though I think it only really qualifies as harassment if you tell someone to fuck off and they continue bothering you. And the severity of touching depends on where you're being touched, of course.). And that if you're gaming normally, you wouldn't be guilty of what she defines as harassment.

But I think they do ultimately classify certain occasions as harassment, when, according to her own definition, it isn't. Unless you follow a chick who didn't like your game, you aren't guilty of any harassment by their definition. But they seem to be calling out those guys regardless.

Link: http://www.collectiveactiondc.org/2012/0...-coverage/

I certainly want streets and workplaces free of unwanted bother, HOWEVER, the problem with SA guidelines is that they are always defined like this, in terms of "unwanted attention." Most laws don't work like this...most assault laws, for example, are classifications that society at large has agreed constitute an wrongful imposition of fear on an innocent person (brandishing a firearm, yelling at them so as to create intimidation, etc). The law designates certain actions as assaults, the victim doesn't get to decide how bad it made them feel and then adjust the charge based on it.

The other reason that corporate sexual harrassment law is so bonkers is because the cost of going through a SA trial is so ridiculously high in money, time, and embarrassment, that almost any company will dispatch any potential problem by firing the employee to avoid even a chance they'll get served. It's the ultimate risk-averse strategy, because the cost of a legal action is so high.

Post: #19

(03-18-2012 07:26 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

(03-18-2012 07:18 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  I've been wondering for a while. What does SWPL stand for?

Stuff White People Like, http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/

A self-parody of modern urban yuppies. The list includes picking their own fruit, TED talks, kickball and microbrews.

Thanks. I had a basic understanding of the type of person it described but was lost what the acronym actually stood for.

Post: #20

I've never had a girl flip out on me because of an approach. My ex would flip out on dudes all the time though. Usually it's because a guy is being overtly sexual with his attempted pickup. I never witnessed it of course, guys seem to know better than to try and fuck with me.

It's not what you do, it's how you do it. Seems like a lot of it is also WHO is doing it.

Post: #21

I've never had this, but I'd love to. I would laugh myself to near death if someone went batshit insane because I asked what time it was or whatever.

I guess the game lesson to be learned here is to pick your opener well. I normally use something either weird (Hypnotic pattern confusion) or completely innocuous/indirect like, 'Can you pick a number for me out of these..'

Those will bypass any screaming reaction unless you're a rapist-looking dude or the girl is actually crazy. I'd imagine another one to use is 'Hey, did you go to {Some college or whatever-pick a likely one}?' That'll also bypass the shield.

Post: #22

(03-17-2012 03:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  She's ugly, and ugly girls don't get approached.

Fiction.

I haven't seen a picture, but take your word that she is ugly. If so, yes, it's somewhat unlikely that she would be approached in the street. Could be making it up just to start a cause. Is she a "proffesional grievance" type? Has she started simillar causes before? Does she need funding/a reason to get up in the morning?

Reminds me of the infamous Andrea Dworkin "rape" charge where she claimed she was raped in France and made a big deal about how this "proves" that rape is about power (a shiboleth REALLY , REALLY loved by feminists for reasons I don't fully understand) since at the times she was "old and hideous" (by her own admission). The whole scenario was so obviously a figmant of her immagination that even other hard-core feminists denounced her for making a fasle (actually non-existant) rape accusation.

It may be that the founder of this site (if really ugly and unlikely to be approached) is trying something simmilar.

But I'm with the other posters here. I don't ever recall getting an extremely negative reaction to a day approach. The worst would just be an awkward silence, but most girls are relatively cool. So I hardly think the world is coming to an end