Post: #601

(04-26-2012 10:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  So today I went to one of the bigger universities. I don't know why I haven't tried it before.

I have said it a million times on the forum.

Big universities are the worlds most target rich places for day game!!!

Post: #602

(04-28-2012 05:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 10:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  So today I went to one of the bigger universities. I don't know why I haven't tried it before.

I have said it a million times on the forum.

Big universities are the worlds most target rich places for day game!!!

how do you play off not going to the college if that were to come up?

Post: #603

Say youre taking/planning on taking classes.

Every school has a library. Say you like to read books or use the computers in the library.


Or say you have a friend you were visiting.
I use this one legit. I'd dip by to visit a friend at a different college, chat up the chicks walking around while waiting for a friend to finish a test or something

I'm sure anyone can come up with a dozen reasons

Post: #604

(04-28-2012 02:01 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  How does one get a job teaching English? Don't the schools check for paperwork? Are you paid under the table?

Don't need it for the income, but rather a way to get close to the target demographic.

There is such pent up demand for native speakers that you don't need experience to get started. Just speak clearly and don't look homeless.

Post: #605

(04-29-2012 04:43 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:01 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  How does one get a job teaching English? Don't the schools check for paperwork? Are you paid under the table?

Don't need it for the income, but rather a way to get close to the target demographic.

There is such pent up demand for native speakers that you don't need experience to get started. Just speak clearly and don't look homeless.

Is there a need for other languages too (Spanish, French, Chinese, German, ...)?

Post: #606

(04-29-2012 05:06 AM)michelin Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 04:43 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:01 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  How does one get a job teaching English? Don't the schools check for paperwork? Are you paid under the table?

Don't need it for the income, but rather a way to get close to the target demographic.

There is such pent up demand for native speakers that you don't need experience to get started. Just speak clearly and don't look homeless.

Is there a need for other languages too (Spanish, French, Chinese, German, ...)?

Yes, it depends on the city and region.
A teaching certificate helps (CELTA) as does a college degree(any major)

Its best to search for jobs in person and just visit the city you're interested in.
You can also organize your own speaking club (eg meet in the basement of a restaurant or something) or give private 1:1 lessons.

As long as you appear somewhat professional, its not difficult.

Post: #607

(04-29-2012 04:43 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:01 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  How does one get a job teaching English? Don't the schools check for paperwork? Are you paid under the table?

Don't need it for the income, but rather a way to get close to the target demographic.

There is such pent up demand for native speakers that you don't need experience to get started. Just speak clearly and don't look homeless.

Just curious Roosh, how many hours a week did you spend on teaching?

Post: #608

I heard it is pretty hot weather out there in EE. How wet did the pussies get these days? Girls get unusually horny when sudden hot waves happen.

Post: #609

How much do you get paid in USD per hour for teaching English over there (Ukraine I'm guessing)? I know Roosh isn't doing it for the money, but a little extra paper never hurts.

Post: #610

(04-25-2012 03:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I've done tests. Slight beard actually helps (announces you are a foreigner). I've gone no beard and got less love. There are many girls here who like hairy, bearded man.

But did you shave your armpits? You can't really fit in as a local until you've done this! Heh. Seriously though, this is interesting. I'm glad to hear you tested going beardless. I stand corrected.

Post: #611

(04-26-2012 04:52 PM)Reinhard Wrote:  My primary concern in EE, especially in Russia, is that a local man seeing a foreigner trying to pick up their women could just alert the militia and they will shake down the foreigner.

That shouldn't be your primary concern.

Post: #612

Relevant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1tGXTe0GH

Post: #613

In Ukraine, an English teacher wont make that much, maybe 2,000 гр. tops, but if anyone is planing to move here for the sole purpose of teaching, it'll more than likely be a big mistake, for a long term stay (over 90 days) you'll need a work visa, and they are very hard to obtain, and for an English teacher, next to imposible, unless of course you have connections. and another issue that may hurt is the Peace Corps guys, there are over 450 Peace Corps volunteers in Ukraine, more than any other country, I live in the far east and I see them all the time, they are all over the place, expect Kiev, too expensive, all they do is teach English, for free, and many eventually get married and stay here when their two yr hitch is up.

Post: #614

(05-01-2012 06:59 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  ...for a long term stay (over 90 days) you'll need a work visa, and they are very hard to obtain, and for an English teacher, next to imposible, unless of course you have connections.

You can work on a tourist visa and just do a visa run to Moldova though right? I know you're not supposed to but I'm sure the schools encourage it if visas are hard to come by.

Post: #615

(04-30-2012 10:31 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Relevant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1tGXTe0GH

Hah. Funny thing is the commercial presupposes that Dutch women are definitely uglier than Ukrainian.

Post: #616

Even though I keep hearing that EE is relatively safe, I'm nevertheless puzzled by certain incongruities.

(04-26-2012 07:55 PM)Subotai Wrote:  The police are predictable. Give them their $20 to $50 and they'll go away.

If I were an impoverished immoral police officer, I would milk the foreigner for all he is worth. I can't understand why they would settle for small change when they have a defenseless foreigner in front of them.

Besides, the officer could just take the money and go on with the punitive procedure pretending you gave nothing. Fairness and honouring contracts are not part of Russian or EE mentality from what I have read.

Quote:Thugs can't be bribed. If you insult them personally, it's a problem. They need to be seen maintaining their fear and dominance, so those are the types I would stay away from. Luckily, they are easily spotted by their clothing and general swagger.

One could expect such thugs to be the main male clientele at night clubs where attractive women frequent. They likely won't be content to just stand aside and watch a foreigner hunting on their territory. Do they usually give a verbal warning at first or do they gang up on you and drag you to the back room or even stab you where you stand? (I imagine this would be normal in the kind of gangland Russia and Ukraine are described to be).

I won't let these issues stop me from visiting EE but I'm thinking what would be the most useful responses if such situations come up.

(04-30-2012 10:09 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  That shouldn't be your primary concern.

I should have substituted "concern" for "caution".

I have been to St. Petersburg, Russia once. I decided against stopping women on the street in the sphere of vision of militia patrolmen and soldiers in uniform. Perhaps I was too cautious.

Post: #617

(05-01-2012 09:44 AM)Reinhard Wrote:  I have been to St. Petersburg, Russia once. I decided against stopping women on the street in the sphere of vision of militia patrolmen and soldiers in uniform. Perhaps I was too cautious.

Much too cautious.

I feel a lot safer over in the FSU then I do here at home on a night out. On a night out in the UK I've seen people ( including myself ) get started on just for making eye contact with the wrong guy in a club/taxi queue etc. In all my trips to the FSU which included the early lawless 90's and plenty of late night walks in run down micro-regions looking for action I have only ever once been involved in a fight and that was much ado about nothing. From a personal standpoint I would say you're in much more danger of being pressured to drink with a group of local thugs then you are to be beaten up by them. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here who has been in a club in an industrial shit hole and had a local group of hard dudes hear my accent and then insist on me drinking vodka with them followed by insisting I go with them in their car to look for prostitutes despite my protestations. On more then one occasion a gun has been brandished by one of them,but not threateningly,just to invite me to shoot something out of the car window.

Russians thugs are like pussy cats IF you handle them right.

Post: #618

(05-01-2012 10:19 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  say you're in much more danger of being pressured to drink with a group of local thugs then you are to be beaten up by them. I

Russians thugs are like pussy cats IF you handle them right.

This is a fact I have run into allsorts of Russsian thugs from the proper gangsters to the skinhead gangs and if you act the right way they will drink with you and become your pals for the night. Don't act like a dick and you will be OK there are plenty of places in the UK where just being stood in the wrong place will start an argument.

Post: #619

I spent several months in Ukraine three years ago.
I was not gaming at the time, but some observations:


Those who do not benefit from Ukraine:
-standard western alpha guys who would do really well back in the US/England/Australia (i.e., standard 20 something, tall, good looking, well dressed) do worse than they do back home. I've seen guy after guy who would clean up back home, expecting alpha status in Ukraine strike out time and time again. They totally don't understand why the Ukrainian guy, who would be completely sub-beta in western culture, is banging 9s left and right. At best they wind up with Ukrainian 5s, who are the equivalent of Western 7-8s. So they are about where they left off.

-Anyone with Turkish genes does worse than back home (US) for historical reasons. this is because of the history with Ukrainians, continuing human trafficking by turkey, which has basically been ongoing for 100s of years. Turks here have an absolutely horrible reputation.

-Pure Asians don't do well, but probably a little better than in the US. Black Americans do okay, but definitely worse than back home. Both these groups have to watch out for racists, it can be dangerous. exception being mixed peoples, who tend to be seen as white due to proximity with asia and fact that many russians look mixed race anyway.

-old guys (50s+) come here and expect to be playboys, usually they end up paying or in marriage agency scams, where basically the girl is payed to go on a date with guy. I have seen multiple old american middle class guys here completely drained of cash. One could not even afford a plane ticket home and was teaching english to subsist. I would say if your not old and very rich, don't bother. The exception being the smart ones, who focus exclusively on women in their 30s with a kid. This is usually better than what they get back home and is a sensible strategy for old guys.

THOSE WHO DO OKAY:

-Other middle eastern peoples do okay, like Iranians. Ukranians/russians can tell the difference between these guys and turks.

-french guys do well, Russians and Ukrainians tend to see the french language as being very posh/elite. This is because the Russian elite historically spoke french.

-Slavic and part slavic guys from the west, even when they don't speak any Russian, do well for obvious reasons.

-speaking some russian/ukrainian definately helps.

-bald/balding guys do better than back home, it does not seem to be an issue here. In fact, i did not notice any huge difference for results between bald/balding guys and guys with hair.

-being really slim is not in style in ukraine like in the west. being somewhat overweight is not a big deal.

MISC:

-average women from the west that come to Ukraine hate it here because of all the competition, they get basically no attention; feminists seriously hate it here. Very pretty girls from the west that come here love it here, I think because they aren't constantly picked up 24/7 like in the west due to all the competition. gives them tranquility. I know of two 8.5-9.5 girls back in the US who actually want to live in Ukraine permanently.

-I was seeing a girl who was working at a marriage agency behind the scenes, she told me no one ever gets married. the girl that goes on dates is a payed model, who goes on 1-2 dates than rejects the guy ("sorry its not working out"). the person who chats with the guy is not the girl who shows up, girls are basically given a data sheet before the date. They guy who ran the hostel I was staying at also told me in several years, he has never seen any old foreign guys marry a hot young ukrainian. It just doesn't happen and is basically a scam. Sorry old dudes!

-another girl I was seeing (Russian), told me an interesting saying that Russian women follow: there are no ugly women, only lazy women.

-don't speak russian to women in western ukraine. They don't like russians and will even go so far as to tell you to speak english.

-don't dress like a metrosexual, that shit does not fly in Ukraine. dress mostly black, well fitted, designer brands.

-night clubs have many pros in them, there is no 'go to night club and hook up' culture here. however, the fact that there are pros does not make it a brother, its still a club. best to bring a non-pro girl to a club then take her back to your place afterwards.

-seeing ukrainian women walk in stilletos in the dead of winter on icy cobblestone streets is a sight to behold.

Post: #620

(05-01-2012 11:36 AM)alphascout Wrote:  I spent several months in Ukraine three years ago.
I was not gaming at the time, but some observations................

Great post,especially part about who won't/will get laid out there.

Your observations about baldness out there are bang on. Being bald myself I have never had a girl bat an eyelid or ever mention my lack of hair,it has certainly never held me back. I think it's an empirical fact that looks are just not as important to a Russian as they are to women in the West. Other qualities are placed way above looks in the importance scale,it also helps that the local dudes are not up to much in the looks/style department so even a guy who is below par on looks in the West can stand out over there by looking sharp.

Regarding age groups that don't/do do well over there I would say 30-45 is the ideal age ( if you look after yourself ) for a western man over there. I do much better in my late 30's then I ever did or my younger friends currently do in their 20's. In the UK I'm finding it harder and harder to bang 18-25 age group girls,but in the FSU I still bang 18 year old's without difficulty. I think this comes in part from the intrinsic mercenary nature of many of the women there. Regarding the women in their 30's you mentioned: it's an age group with great women in it. I've not started targeting it yet because I like younger meat but I'm not looking at that age group with dread like here back home. Russian women make the most of their appearance ( as you alluded to in your quote ) and hence mid 30's women are often little crackers. I don't see why a mid 50's guy with some Russian skills,game, and who takes care of himself could not bang attractive girls in their late 20's on a consistent basis if he tried to. That's why I have always advocated taking a few months out of your life to get conversational in Russian at a young age: the effort put into the endeavour will reward you for decades to come so that in the future whilst your fellow 50 y.o + mates are crying into their beer about the good old days you could still be living them in the FSU.

Post: #621

(05-01-2012 11:36 AM)alphascout Wrote:  Those who do not benefit from Ukraine:
-standard western alpha guys who would do really well back in the US/England/Australia (i.e., standard 20 something, tall, good looking, well dressed) do worse than they do back home. I've seen guy after guy who would clean up back home, expecting alpha status in Ukraine strike out time and time again. They totally don't understand why the Ukrainian guy, who would be completely sub-beta in western culture, is banging 9s left and right. At best they wind up with Ukrainian 5s, who are the equivalent of Western 7-8s. So they are about where they left off.

Why? This does not make sense. I would have thought that a typical good looking guy would do well anywhere.

Post: #622

Baldness actually plays a negative role as being overweight,ugly or very old.However all this can be compensated in Ukraine if the guy has money.
Guys who do well in Ukraine:
1.Over 30 years old
2.With money to burn
3.Speaking Russian
Generally in slavic countries the advantage you have is the lack of resistance.I mean our societies are naturally violent a lot of guys will try to block you from approaching a girl and everyone tries to get the best there is too much competition.In slavic countries you get alpha quality because there is no competition and no violence or threat of violence.Girls there are also not too spoiled by dozens of offers every single week.

Post: #623

vortuka: thanks. I agree, an old guy with money and game can go for young women, no question. I'm talking more about the 50-60 year old american guys with no style, are middle class generally, who were basically lured to ukraine by dating agency websites generally (or by propaganda put on the net by these agencies about Ukrainian women). Its really sad to see these guys get hustled. And they are pretty damn common. These are the guys who, from what i've seen, would do well focusing exclusively on the 1-2 kid and 30+ age bracket, which is still better then what they get back home.

man about: I'm not quite sure why. One day I met this British 23-6ish, well spoken, and well dressed 6'3-6'5 who was a semi-pro rugby player. The guy stunk it up so bad. This guy would have absolutely killed in the US i have no doubt. He ended up settling for a western 6 (i.e., a Ukrainian 3-4) at the hostel from the US who was like 26-28. I could not believe it. I saw the same pattern over and over.

Of course, if you learn Russian, etc... OF COURSE its possible for a western alpha to do decently. But any better than the bald 5'9 33 year old who is well dressed andalso learns Russian game and language? I would say, believe it or not, about the same. I'm not sure its worth the time investment for the western alpha, unless if he likes the challenge. For the bald guy, for sure it is worth the investment. He is pulling 5-6s in the West with lots of effort, in Ukraine he can pull the equivalent of a US 8-9 with less effort.

Greek: I agree. I think balding/being slightly overweight is still a DLV in Ukraine, but far less so than in the west (especially losing hair). it definitely doesn't disqualify a guy. I think most slavic guys go bald anyway.

fyi I'm not bald, this is just what i've noticed living in the country for a while.

Post: #624

This is true both slavic guys and slavic women have thin hair I am sure it is a genetic trait.Thin hair and bad teeth are common in slavic world(hopefully they have the gorgeous legs to compensate along with the high cheeks).
Between a ripped rugby player 25 years old and a trophy overweight businessman 40 years old an Ukrainian girl is going to choose the latter no doubt.Appearance matters mostly for women there for men material wealth is what matters.

Post: #625

(05-01-2012 02:02 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Why? This does not make sense. I would have thought that a typical good looking guy would do well anywhere.

Being good looking (for a guy) is not important in Ukraine. So a typical good looking guy wouldn't do much - if any - better than a much worse looking guy.

Playing alpha is not important either. Ukrainians simply refuse to participate in hierarchy games with strangers, and this makes your typical roissy type alpha look like a fool.

This is why a "good looking alpha type" wouldn't have any success there comparing to what he'd have in West.