Post: #476

I am also stepping to Deb's defense. I've never been to Ukraine, but I do have 10+ Ukrainian notches, so I am qualified to discuss this.
I've banged them in the USA, in Turkey, and in Bulgaria. None of them I've banged with textbook or Mystery-style game. There must be some combination of looks, attitude, confidence, willingness to approach, ability to recognize IOIs, and a small sprinkle of something undefinable (Balkan Power?) that these girls dig. Most of them have told me after the bang "I just found you manly and desirable" or something to that effect.
I'm 6 feet tall and not a model-looking guy but I do try to keep in shape (some pictures of me still exist in older threads, I believe)

Post: #477

(04-19-2012 03:56 AM)K-man Wrote:  I am also stepping to Deb's defense. I've never been to Ukraine, but I do have 10+ Ukrainian notches, so I am qualified to discuss this.
I've banged them in the USA, in Turkey, and in Bulgaria. None of them I've banged with textbook or Mystery-style game. There must be some combination of looks, attitude, confidence, willingness to approach, ability to recognize IOIs, and a small sprinkle of something undefinable (Balkan Power?) that these girls dig. Most of them have told me after the bang "I just found you manly and desirable" or something to that effect.
I'm 6 feet tall and not a model-looking guy but I do try to keep in shape (some pictures of me still exist in older threads, I believe)

I agree as Balkan you have the right looks attitude etc.Also the culture has similarities since we are orthodox as well.We are presentable in this coutnry.
My feeling is that they perceive Balkan power as a dark element causing them some slight terror which many girls find as an aphrodisiac.(at least some girls told me I caused them some fear due to sth in my behaviour they cannot describe.They told me you are quiet but I have the impression you become violent when you explode).

Post: #478

(04-19-2012 03:02 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The classic way to ''wrap'' the future groom is to fall pregnant with him later have his children.It is the classic trick slavic women put on that is why they mostly refuse to use condoms. So as a future groom you may gain unlimited sex for free but you risk making her pregnant and being commited for life.Many girls are asking straight for sex without condoms and even finishing into them(especially provincial girls from small villages).

Paragraphs like that prove that Greek is the real deal. Absolutely bang on the money.

Future groom game is what I rely on as my bedrock in Belarus and Russia when I'm introduced to women. It suits my personality better then other theories ( too laid back for Balkan power ) And I've had the line "finish inside me" whispered in my ear on more then one occasion when banging provincial girls particularly in Belarus where maybe the desperation to snag a foreign husband is stronger. It takes a lot of willpower to be pull out when you hear those words and you're reaching the point of climax.

Post: #479

(04-19-2012 04:15 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  My feeling is that they perceive Balkan power as a dark element causing them some slight terror which many girls find as an aphrodisiac.(at least some girls told me I caused them some fear due to sth in my behaviour they cannot describe.They told me you are quiet but I have the impression you become violent when you explode).

That means that in that case the "bad boy" guy will have it easier than the "Pretty boy" style in the region ?

Post: #480

(04-18-2012 01:30 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Good point,but I'll have to think how to phrase it right. "So,what is it about me that makes me so irresistible to woman?" might sound a little arrogant

I'd ask it in a different way. You want to get the real answer, not joking about it. Yes, this may sound insecure, beta or whatever. Who cares? Learning things comes with the price.

Post: #481

(04-18-2012 08:08 PM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  Although I haven’t been to Ukraine, I have been to Russia and one thing I can say with certainty, height is a major plus. If you are tall (in my case 6’5) you will get a heap of IOI. I would walk down Nevsky Prospekt and I would get checked out by a minimum of 80% women. If I was 5’8 for example that figure would drop significantly.

This would matter if those checking outs could be easily converted into bangs. However this is not the case in Russia/Ukraine. Comparing to the US the majority of the girls are so passive with strangers that it doesn't make any difference whether you got any IOI or not.

However this is not even very important. The "I'm with Deb" replies somehow tend to be fixed on the looks alone, and fail to address the much more important "talking over Google Translate" point. Honestly, have you EVER got while laid talking to a girl over Google Translate without paying her? How do you imagine that?

That's the main issue with his posts. Another one is his reaction. To me he reacted like a retarded teenager - spitting the insults, calling names and bitching. All that because someone on the Internet questioned his claimed success. This is not behavior of a confident, secure dude in his late thirties. Here also come the repeated promises to leave/stop replying but still coming back. A classic example of attention whoring.

And finally Roosh made a good point. This forum original purpose was not to share the "mine is bigger than yours" stories. We're here to learn and share information about how to be more successful with women. Sharing this information requires the individual to be able to critically assess what exactly he is doing. Someone who doesn't know or cannot describe what he is doing provides no useful information.

Maybe I'm missing something here? Maybe for you guys the information that it is easy to get laid in Ukraine for a dude who is 6"6 and has model looks but can't even describe what exactly he's doing is very useful? Could someone enlighten me here?

Post: #482

are there short girls in FSU?

Post: #483

(04-19-2012 07:21 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:02 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The classic way to ''wrap'' the future groom is to fall pregnant with him later have his children.It is the classic trick slavic women put on that is why they mostly refuse to use condoms. So as a future groom you may gain unlimited sex for free but you risk making her pregnant and being commited for life.Many girls are asking straight for sex without condoms and even finishing into them(especially provincial girls from small villages).

Paragraphs like that prove that Greek is the real deal. Absolutely bang on the money.

Future groom game is what I rely on as my bedrock in Belarus and Russia when I'm introduced to women. It suits my personality better then other theories ( too laid back for Balkan power ) And I've had the line "finish inside me" whispered in my ear on more then one occasion when banging provincial girls particularly in Belarus where maybe the desperation to snag a foreign husband is stronger. It takes a lot of willpower to be pull out when you hear those words and you're reaching the point of climax.

So true. One needs to watch oneself when you are in EE. I was nearly caught out a few times and had to get the dyevs to run to the Apteka the following morning to get the morning after pill after i got a bit over enthusiastic. Last summer when I was in Kiev, slamming a studenka I nearly had to insist to put the rubber on so be careful.

Post: #484

If you notice in most slavic marriages the women are obviously pregnant.

Post: #485

Video with characteristic Ukrainian women and guys.





Ukrainian silicon valley.

Post: #486

Hey Greek: how would you pick up if you didn't use presents?

Post: #487

(04-19-2012 04:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hey Greek: how would you pick up if you didn't use presents?

I wrote till 2009 I did not use presents.Girls in Ukraine are very easy going.In most cases if they are interested in sex they tell you straight after the date.
For example in 2010 I got to Kiev for just two days.In the first day I picked up these girls in club and took them to sushi restaurant.(they were not the hottest I picked up that day).

Post: #488

(04-19-2012 04:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hey Greek: how would you pick up if you didn't use presents?

And also would be interesting to know: out of your lays Greek,how many have been achieved by offering a present? Would you say your numbers would be considerably lower without offering a direct incentive?

Post: #489

(04-19-2012 04:32 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 04:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hey Greek: how would you pick up if you didn't use presents?

And also would be interesting to know: out of your lays Greek,how many have been achieved by offering a present? Would you say your numbers would be considerably lower without offering a direct incentive?

Without direct offer you need a minimum of two-three days to get laid.With some money offer you get laid in some hours after you set foot in the country.Money is to speed things up.

Post: #490

Greek, those girls look Tatar/Turkish to me. The girl on the right no way, girl on the left, yeah why not

Post: #491

No,it is just the heavy make up.They were over 1.80cm Ukrainian.

Post: #492

Would bang both. Nice work.

Out of interest how much do you offer and how do you phrase the proposition to them? Break it down a little for us.

Post: #493

I do not phrase anything.The women propose the deal.For example the above girls wanted a sushi meal and one perfume for each one(about 70 euro).Many girls agree to fuck if you buy them a mobile phone costing about 200 euro.Again I say that they propose it themselves telling "I need a new phone."In province(eastern Ukraine) they usually ask for cash because shops there are not particularly good and girls make better use of cash themselves.In province you pay about 50 euro per day for her and 50 euro for every of her girlfriends if you are interested in them.These are the common deals.(I do not know how much Ukrainians pay).
Or you pay for her vaccation again about 50 euro per day.

Post: #494

(04-19-2012 05:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I do not phrase anything.The women propose the deal.For example the above girls wanted a sushi meal and one perfume for each one(about 70 euro).Many girls agree to fuck if you buy them a mobile phone costing about 200 euro.Again I say that they propose it themselves telling "I need a new phone."In province(eastern Ukraine) they usually ask for cash because shops there are not particularly good and girls make better use of cash themselves.In province you pay about 50 euro per day for her and 50 euro for every of her girlfriends if you are interested in them.These are the common deals.(I do not know how much Ukrainians pay).
Or you pay for her vaccation again about 50 euro per day.

But if THEY propose it does that not automatically make them prostitutes? And also does that not disprove your theory that if you did not offer cash you would just take two days longer to bang them. It seems to me that you would never bang those girls without cash because they are whores.

I'm not judging you in any way just want to get to understand wha your'e doing over there.

Post: #495

Just to reiterate: if you offer money then you could say they are regular girls who can't resist the temptation but if they ask you for cash then they are whores through and through. A subtle yet fundermental difference. There is no need for Balkan power with them because any dude willing to spend the going rate can bang them whether he has game or not.

It's my guess,and I'm not hating on you as I genuinely enjoy your insights,but I don't think you'd have a fraction of your success if you went out with only drinks money in your wallet.

Post: #496

Interesting.

I'm banging a girl now and last night she was telling me how she bought these sexy heels. I told her to wear them next time. Then she said, "I wanted to buy another pair, but I didn't have enough money."

It was a casual comment on the surface, but let's just say I won't be going to the mall with her anytime soon.

Post: #497

(04-19-2012 05:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I do not phrase anything.The women propose the deal.For example the above girls wanted a sushi meal and one perfume for each one(about 70 euro).Many girls agree to fuck if you buy them a mobile phone costing about 200 euro.Again I say that they propose it themselves telling "I need a new phone."In province(eastern Ukraine) they usually ask for cash because shops there are not particularly good and girls make better use of cash themselves.In province you pay about 50 euro per day for her and 50 euro for every of her girlfriends if you are interested in them.These are the common deals.(I do not know how much Ukrainians pay).
Or you pay for her vaccation again about 50 euro per day.

Greek, you are in a very grey area between sponsorship and outright paying for it. I have never bought any woman a phone, perfume or given them cash. Its coffee, bowling, movies, drinks, club, nice dinner (all on me of course) and if I'm lucky back to my gaff.

Post: #498

(04-19-2012 05:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Interesting.

I'm banging a girl now and last night she was telling me how she bought these sexy heels. I told her to wear them next time. Then she said, "I wanted to buy another pair, but I didn't have enough money."

It was a casual comment on the surface, but let's just say I won't be going to the mall with her anytime soon.

Ukrainian girls tend to bring up that off the cuff remark. One blondinka I was with passed a comment on how she liked a dress in a certain boutique which she really liked but said it was too expensive, note the hint. Well I got the hint and dropped her like a hot snot. My suspicions proved to be correct when I did a little investigating and found out that the damn thing was €600. Aint forking that out for a floozie.

Post: #499

(04-19-2012 11:10 AM)theoogabear Wrote:  are there short girls in FSU?

Yes, ( some around five two or so) and some are exquisite, with tiny waists and thin elegant fingers....

Post: #500

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Video with characteristic Ukrainian women and guys.





Ukrainian silicon valley.

If that's the buzz in the Ukraine at the moment it must be pretty shit !!
No difference from bottle service bling of America and Anglosphere.

Let's hope it doesn't represent every decent looking Ukrainian girls ambitions and aspirations.

How does low grade Hip Hop/Thug culture spread so widely?
I guess if you go for the lowest common denominator it will identify with low grade people all over the globe.
It's an awful but genius invention!