Post: #451

(04-18-2012 10:23 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  I killed it in Bishkek and could have banged so many more then I did if I had more motivation. My younger better looking foreign friends were perplexed and a little pissed off that I a 34 year old ( at that time ) blew them out the water. However ask me how I did it and apart from superficial advice ( I posted a Bishkek data sheet ) I really don't know.

By being white and foreign. Too bad it carries little value in Ukraine, but I have a lot of friends from Bishkek, and those things are very important there pretty much as in Philippines. However my guess would be that those weren't all 8s and above, and you didn't talk to them via Google Translate?

Post: #452

It is unfortunate that Oldnemesis and Neil, whose travel tales I actually enjoy, are hating on Deb. I, for one, thinks Deb has contributed greatly to this forum. And he is one of the very few members of this forum that has other members vouching for him. That to me counts for a lot. I think everyone should just chill and stop the pointless personal attacks, which add little value to this thread or the forum.

Deb, I hope you stay. Was this beta?

Post: #453

(04-18-2012 10:27 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 10:20 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:26 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 08:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're right oldnemesis know's the city/country, he's from here after all, how could he be possibly wrong.

But Neil, in all honesty who in the hell would idolise you?. I have seen the pictures of the little street urchins you screw in the garbage cans of SE Asia. Few of them pass as a 6 on most people scales.

By the way your crappy website made my computer crash.

You must have exceptional eyes if you can see through blurred pictures.

And how can you see my " little street urchins i screw in the garbage cans of south east asia" if my website made you computer crash ??
You keep contradicting yourself and please let me see your website with all those hot 7 and 8's you are banging.

Oh wait , you don't have a website, we just have to believe your word on all the chicks you are fucking in droves without giving any tips on how to do that besides smiling and looking pretty.

Saw your pics before when you had some kind of operational blog/site, I can't remember. Some pics of you with some little brown bambinos that looked 10 years old.

Why exactly do I want a website?

I have given as many tips as I can, I don't think about game, I don't need to. If I score with a beautiful women, I don't lie in bed afterwards thinking about the key to my success.

I can only surmise that I am "a natural"

Dude, now i know you're just full of shit. Unless you have seen my personal facebook site which i highly doubt since no one besides my facebook friends know it, there is no way in hell you have seen those pictures "before". You're talking nonsense.

I wonder what a "natural" who looks down on game like you is doing on a forum like this. But you said you were leaving anyway.

You won't be missed.

Post: #454

If I remember correctly, there's a post on these forums where iknowexactly talks about going out with Deb in Ukraine. In this post, iknowexactly refers to Deb as a "supernatural".

Deb, dont let these guys get to you. When they push your buttons, just be the better man and dont engage them. Keep posting on these forums. Some of what you say might not apply to the rest of us as things come easier for you, but I personally enjoy hearing about your exploits. Let us know how you do in Serbia.

Post: #455

(04-18-2012 10:50 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  By being white and foreign. Too bad it carries little value in Ukraine, but I have a lot of friends from Bishkek, and those things are very important there pretty much as in Philippines. However my guess would be that those weren't all 8s and above, and you didn't talk to them via Google Translate?

Sure but my competition was white and foreign too and they struggled. Hence there was something intrinsic about me that they must have liked but which I never really understood what it was.

Post: #456

I'm with Deb on this.

:corn:

Post: #457

(04-18-2012 10:56 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I wonder what a "natural" who looks down on game like you is doing on a forum like this. But you said you were leaving anyway.

Ditto. He sounded like a 17yo who got pissed off because nobody on Internet believed he has a 15-inch dick.

Post: #458

(04-18-2012 11:00 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Sure but my competition was white and foreign too and they struggled. Hence there was something intrinsic about me that they must have liked but which I never really understood what it was.

Maybe you look similar to the son of their president
BTW, did you ask them? When I get into a situation like that I always try to get the feedback.

Post: #459

(04-18-2012 11:08 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 10:56 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I wonder what a "natural" who looks down on game like you is doing on a forum like this. But you said you were leaving anyway.

Ditto. He sounded like a 17yo who got pissed off because nobody on Internet believed he has a 15-inch dick.

Yeah, well i'm done with this. Can't believe i let myself get angry about this guy. I'm way to reactive. He has proven to me that he provides bullshit information so that's it for me.

I had my doubts about him for a while since he started badmouthing the Philippines for no reason and without ever setting food in the country.

I don't care what he does. Whats more important is that i let this dude use up my valuable time. My Bad.
Back to more important things.

Post: #460

I don't think anyone who hasn't been to Ukraine should be participating in today's argument.

I think in the end I would ask Deb if he feels he is contributing value to this forum. The Duke said he likes Deb's exploits. That's great.... for a blog.

There are guys trying to figure this shit out, not give internet high fives. Deb has been in Lvov for a while... I think all some guys want to see is him break it down. Spartan and iknowexactly have met him and say he has solid natural game. That's great and I don't doubt he gets laid, but I met oldnem and he's a natural as well, yet he breaks it down for us. Greek is not a PUA, yet he posts VOLUMES of dialogues.

Michael Jordan, a supernatural basketball player, can still describe the mechanics of a basketball shot. Deb, a Lvov phenom, has only shared a couple simple mamba chats with us, that while appreciated, are a far way from explaining his success.

Post: #461

Yep, I apologize to everyone, got too excited and polluted the thread. Roosh, could you please delete our arguments? Let's keep it clean and constructive.

Post: #462

(04-18-2012 11:27 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I don't think anyone who hasn't been to Ukraine should be participating in today's argument.

I think in the end I would ask Deb if he feels he is contributing value to this forum. The Duke said he likes Deb's exploits. That's great.... for a blog.

There are guys trying to figure this shit out, not give internet high fives. Deb has been in Lvov for a while... I think all some guys want to see is him break it down. Spartan and iknowexactly have met him and say he has solid natural game. That's great and I don't doubt he gets laid, but I met oldnem and he's a natural as well, yet he breaks it down for us. Greek is not a PUA, yet he posts VOLUMES of dialogues.

Michael Jordan, a supernatural basketball player, can still describe the mechanics of a basketball shot. Deb, a Lvov phenom, has only shared a couple simple mamba chats with us, that while appreciated, are a far way from explaining his success.

Roosh like I said before to old nobosis, how can I break it down if i'm indeed a natural? If you look back through my posts I have given as much info as I can. I don't spend hours thinking what went right, not saying things go right all the time, but when they go wrong I don't dwell on it trying to pinpoint the action that made her go cold, instead I say to myself she's a bitch and on to the next girl.

Kamaki is a far greater source of knowledge than me; although some of his observations are a bit surprising, gifting being number 1(maybe different further east), he seems to have years of knowledge of the FSU, it would appear he is very successful here. I never stepped foot into this land until 10 months ago.

Roosh, Oldnobasis also breaks it down because he is UKRAINIAN

I would love to be able to break it down a bit more for you, and pinpoint Ukrainian's girls submissiveness to being ravaged my mongols with 16 inch cocks 800 years ago, but I'm still finding my feet here, so you should be more patient

I realise my reports of success are both encouraging to some and at the same discouraging to AFC's, when I say that Game does not work here, and it's more physical

Roosh as you rightly said this is a pick up forum, and is not for the natural successful guys. You said that my posts are not insightful, or in depth enough so there is no reason for me to post anymore, but I hope some people have got some value from my posts.

I'm glad that people think it's hard here, or you have to buy gifts, or young girls have all got aids, keeps the hordes away.

Cheers

Post: #463

I actually believe Deb Auchery and the reason is I had exactly the same feeling when I visited Lvov.From first time(2005) it was so amazing that it blew everything out of the water(except Kiev if you had the money).I have already described how I first reached Lvov by chance after a visit to CR,Slovakia where I stayed in every city just one day to see if it was possible to bang(6 cities 6 days).The last city was Kosice then I decided to cross the borders and reach Uzghorod.After being fruitless there due to limitations of place I got the taxi to Lvov and when I first came I immediately understood it was the right place.Despite the heavy rain during my stay I managed to get statosteque girlfriends(two friends 1.83 cm each,slender,19 years old,one blonde,one brunette),kiss other two very good looking girls and bang a girl I met in the bus station close to hotel(27 years old,175 cm,brunette).So in just 4 days I had about 5 girls to circulate and was handling others.Sth similar has occured to me only in Kiev.

Next travels confirmed my impressions with multiple bangs.A highlight was in 2008 when I got to Dnipropetrovsk to discover the place and after some dates going wrong I came to total despair realising the deep gold digging nature of the local girls and that each one wanted a present as a start of relationship(which did not give bangs but only the inititative to start the first date it was a prerequisite).
Having been in this trap I decided to change my fortunes and hit Lvov again.Then I come to the airport in Dnipro to take the plane and realise the flights are cancelled.They did not even have notifications.I start shouting to the employees one of the women started crying.An uncommon situration to be stuck in the middle of nowhere.Sunddenly a solution is found by another plane and I manage to arrivein Lvov.Then the magic and reverse of luck.In one hour I am hand in hand with a very beautiful blonde 1.76 cm,20 years old who I ment in the central sqaure after I arrived and started hunting.
This is to say as a luck hunter you can have luck especially if you pursue your goals.There can be extreme unluckiness and failures but one has to act fast to reverse the natural course.Lvov was the perfect place for me.This did not stop me from exploring other places as well(Donetsk,Mariupol,Crimea etc) to get a more rounded perspective.

What Deb describes is my original and later impression of Lvov.He describes it from British Serbian perspective.I understand some of the things he says as Balkan.What he says is that girls there are ready and he just happens to be in the right moment in the right place.Sth like that.For example if you got to disco Milenium in 2005 in Lvov in ladies night and approached like hell there was no chance of failure.This means you could easily get a new lay every week by visiting the disco in this particular night.

I also believe Deb is lazy he does not put the effort others do.Maybe he got also used to the place.He also compares it to other cities like Belgrade where things are more difficult.The same person gets less results in Belgrade.Also he has the feeling that he can overwhelm the local guys which is true.Having Serbian looks helps with slavic girls many Russian girls travel to Montenegro to get banged by Serbian guys despite them not having any economic advantage over them.Also in Lvov you do not need to spend and you have an advantage if you stay there long.Only in some cases I had Lvov girls asking for presents and it was in the context of sexual uberoffers(threesomes etc).In most cases girls there are happy with very mediocre date expenses(a meal in local Greek restaurant Zorbas costing 100 grivnya about 15 euro back then was considered luxury for them).

I highly doubt if Deb enjoyed the same level of success in Dnipropetrovsk or Donetsk without giving out serious amounts of cash.He just happens to be in the right city.

Post: #464

(04-18-2012 12:00 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 11:27 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I don't think anyone who hasn't been to Ukraine should be participating in today's argument.

I think in the end I would ask Deb if he feels he is contributing value to this forum. The Duke said he likes Deb's exploits. That's great.... for a blog.

There are guys trying to figure this shit out, not give internet high fives. Deb has been in Lvov for a while... I think all some guys want to see is him break it down. Spartan and iknowexactly have met him and say he has solid natural game. That's great and I don't doubt he gets laid, but I met oldnem and he's a natural as well, yet he breaks it down for us. Greek is not a PUA, yet he posts VOLUMES of dialogues.

Michael Jordan, a supernatural basketball player, can still describe the mechanics of a basketball shot. Deb, a Lvov phenom, has only shared a couple simple mamba chats with us, that while appreciated, are a far way from explaining his success.

Roosh like I said before to old nobosis, how can I break it down if i'm indeed a natural? If you look back through my posts I have given as much info as I can. I don't spend hours thinking what went right, not saying things go right all the time, but when they go wrong I don't dwell on it trying to pinpoint the action that made her go cold, instead I say to myself she's a bitch and on to the next girl.

Kamaki is a far greater source of knowledge than me; although some of his observations are a bit off, gifting being number 1, se seems to have years of knowledge of the FSU, it would appear he is very successful here. I never stepped foot into this land until 10 months ago.

Roosh, Oldnobasis also breaks it down because he is UKRAINIAN

I realise my reports of success are both encouraging to some and at the same discouraging to AFC's, when I say that Game does not work here, and it's more physical

Roosh as you rightly said this is a pick up forum, and is not for the natural successful guys. You said that my posts are not insightful, or in depth enough so there is no reason for me to post anymore, but I hope some people have got some value from my posts.

I'm glad that people think it's hard here, or you have to buy gifts, or young girls have all got aids, keeps the hordes away.

Cheers

Look Deb ,Jesus Christ had all the gifts any man can have and he tried to to share his thoughts and knowledge, as much as possible. Like Roosh, I dont doubt that you are killing it in Ukraine, with your heights and looks, which are rare and exceptional. But this is a forum, for like minded people trying to help each other improve, especially since there are so few of us in this world. Ive liked your contributions, but you seem a bit condescending of most of the rest of the posters, especlally those who go to other parts of the world, except eastern europe. If you are the natural that you say you are trying to think a little more, dont be lazy and share. You seem like a singer with a perfect voice who only likes to sing when he takes a shower.

Post: #465

It sounds like asking Snoop Dogg why he get's so many hoes, only so much he can tell you, which I agree aint so useful to some people. But this is the way it is.

Post: #466

Personally, I look forward to Deb's posts. He has a pretty humorous, carefree, and jaded perspective that I would probably also share if I were there. I relate to it. Does he break it down like Kamaki? No. He does add some hope and flavor to the forum in my opinion. Also, unlike so many others, he has met with and been vouched for by multiple members. He may not be doing the work and breaking down his entire game, but then again have you ever met a natural who does? I think a lot is unconscious for naturals who haven't had to learn the nuances, change their behavior and really cut their teeth.

Deb, ignore the haters, stay on the forum and do a meetup with Roosh and the Greek.

Post: #467

(04-18-2012 11:11 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  BTW, did you ask them? When I get into a situation like that I always try to get the feedback.

Good point,but I'll have to think how to phrase it right. "So,what is it about me that makes me so irresistible to woman?" might sound a little arrogant

Post: #468

(04-18-2012 12:08 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I actually believe Deb Auchery and the reason is I had exactly the same feeling when I visited Lvov.From first time(2005) it was so amazing that it blew everything out of the water(except Kiev if you had the money).I have already described how I first reached Lvov by chance after a visit to CR,Slovakia where I stayed in every city just one day to see if it was possible to bang(6 cities 6 days).The last city was Kosice then I decided to cross the borders and reach Uzghorod.After being fruitless there due to limitations of place I got the taxi to Lvov and when I first came I immediately understood it was the right place.Despite the heavy rain during my stay I managed to get statosteque girlfriends(two friends 1.83 cm each,slender,19 years old,one blonde,one brunette),kiss other two very good looking girls and bang a girl I met in the bus station close to hotel(27 years old,175 cm,brunette).So in just 4 days I had about 5 girls to circulate and was handling others.Sth similar has occured to me only in Kiev.

Next travels confirmed my impressions with multiple bangs.A highlight was in 2008 when I got to Dnipropetrovsk to discover the place and after some dates going wrong I came to total despair realising the deep gold digging nature of the local girls and that each one wanted a present as a start of relationship(which did not give bangs but only the inititative to start the first date it was a prerequisite).
Having been in this trap I decided to change my fortunes and hit Lvov again.Then I come to the airport in Dnipro to take the plane and realise the flights are cancelled.They did not even have notifications.I start shouting to the employees one of the women started crying.An uncommon situration to be stuck in the middle of nowhere.Sunddenly a solution is found by another plane and I manage to arrivein Lvov.Then the magic and reverse of luck.In one hour I am hand in hand with a very beautiful blonde 1.76 cm,20 years old who I ment in the central sqaure after I arrived and started hunting.
This is to say as a luck hunter you can have luck especially if you pursue your goals.There can be extreme unluckiness and failures but one has to act fast to reverse the natural course.Lvov was the perfect place for me.This did not stop me from exploring other places as well(Donetsk,Mariupol,Crimea etc) to get a more rounded perspective.

What Deb describes is my original and later impression of Lvov.He describes it from British Serbian perspective.I understand some of the things he says as Balkan.What he says is that girls there are ready and he just happens to be in the right moment in the right place.Sth like that.For example if you got to disco Milenium in 2005 in Lvov in ladies night and approached like hell there was no chance of failure.This means you could easily get a new lay every week by visiting the disco in this particular night.

I also believe Deb is lazy he does not put the effort others do.Maybe he got also used to the place.He also compares it to other cities like Belgrade where things are more difficult.The same person gets less results in Belgrade.Also he has the feeling that he can overwhelm the local guys which is true.Having Serbian looks helps with slavic girls many Russian girls travel to Montenegro to get banged by Serbian guys despite them not having any economic advantage over them.Also in Lvov you do not need to spend and you have an advantage if you stay there long.Only in some cases I had Lvov girls asking for presents and it was in the context of sexual uberoffers(threesomes etc).In most cases girls there are happy with very mediocre date expenses(a meal in local Greek restaurant Zorbas costing 100 grivnya about 15 euro back then was considered luxury for them).

I highly doubt if Deb enjoyed the same level of success in Dnipropetrovsk or Donetsk without giving out serious amounts of cash.He just happens to be in the right city.

"This is to say as a luck hunter you can have luck especially if you pursue your goals.There can be extreme unluckiness and failures but one has to act fast to reverse the natural course."

This is so true with regard life in general,not just skirt chasing!

Post: #469

I think Roosh should observe Deb and break down his game.

I don't believe Deb is lying when he says its easy for him. Certain types of looks or personalities work very well in someplaces.

I get eyefucked in Toronto very rarely, but its quite common in Atlanta. Its simply the type of guy they respond to. My looks hold very little value here while over there I pass for a good looking guy.

Post: #470

(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I've met Deb in real life and seen him in action. He is really good at picking up ladies for 2 reasons:
1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Anyone here ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? He talks about a natural he met back before he started learning game. Women just looked at him and were attracted.
For Deb, its a combination of looks, height, and body language.


The interesting thing is we all have different games in the FSU.
Today I realized why none of the advice I was getting here felt relevant to what I was experiencing.
I think I'm playing the future groom/serious boyfriend role and get way different responses.

A girl yesterday wouldn't kiss me on a date. After I got home, she sent me a message on VK asking why I was so sad when we parted. I said its b/c I don't understand girls here.
It turns out, she really wanted to meet me again and thought I was a great guy...but she doesn't kiss guys until she's sure of them.

Similarly, today a girl brought a friend with her on a meeting with me. I thought she just wanted me to buy stuff for her and her friend. Turns out..she wanted to introduce me to her friend who is a really good girl (she won "best future teacher" competition at the university which is a big deal).
Furthermore, at the end of the date the girl I was introduced too was a little upset because she noticed I have a partial denture (missing 2 teeth and will get dental implants soon). Wow...its like I was a horse and she was checking my teeth. Her friend quickly improved my standing by asking me if I smoke...to which I answered "No". The introduced girl quickly smiled and moved to walk closer to me. I think only 1 out of 100 guys here is a non-smoker.

Greek(and anyone else), you said you have occasionally played the role of "future groom/serious prospect". Any advice?

First of all you are not in the place you claim so the advice you get is irrelevant.There are huge differences between countries of former Soviet Union even between cities in the same country.
When playing the future groom one needs to build trust.You probably fail in this regard I do not know why.If you want to appear serious you have to be serious.The game of future groom is you need to bang me quickly otherwise another girl will be interested in a decent groom.If you do not risk giving up the benefits early so I can get a taste it is possible I am going to another source since I am in demand.
In this case the fact that you stay there for long time is a disadvantage.She thinks she has time.You need to create time constraint.

Post: #471

I've never been to Ukraine but I've been in Russia for a bit and honestly I don't know how to explain my bangs real well either. I haven't been pulling on the same magnitude, but still not bad, and my style is just approach anything that holds eye contact.

I remember there was the thread about whether Greek Kamaki was a valuable poster or fucking with us, and overwhelmingly people just wanted the specifics on his techniques and conversations. He put it out there, and all of his posts came in to context and I think all of us are thankful he's here. I don't think we should be driving off a poster who could be providing some valuable intel once he has perspective. That's why I'm waiting now until I have some hindsight.

Post: #472

I also don't think Deb should leave the forum. I WANT guys who do well with women to be here.

I think today was cathartic in a way. There was some name calling but I think we kept it civil.

Post: #473

OK, been watching this unfold and I have picked out a key thing here

(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I've met Deb in real life and seen him in action. He is really good at picking up ladies for 2 reasons:
1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Although I haven’t been to Ukraine, I have been to Russia and one thing I can say with certainty, height is a major plus. If you are tall (in my case 6’5) you will get a heap of IOI. I would walk down Nevsky Prospekt and I would get checked out by a minimum of 80% women. If I was 5’8 for example that figure would drop significantly.

Now Deb says he is tall. I am not too sure how tall he is but to say you are tall in EE you would have to be 6’3 or better in my opinion. This would give you a height advantage over the tallest of women there, even in high heels. If he is tall like this he will cop a hell of a lot of IOI.

By his own admission and that of a few others who have met him he is also a looker. So with his height and his looks he will get a lot of IOI. I can understand and believe it when he says he gets the sort of interest he does. Throw in some natural game and the foreign element and he will be getting a heap of phone numbers.

I do believe he is leaving out some keys elements like the number of approaches he does. He fails to make any mention of this and from what Spartan said, he seems to do a lot of cold approaching and ground work. If he actually disclosed this a lot of his doubters would actually find his claims plausible.

I enjoy reading Deb’s posts here and all the other contributors so I hope everyone stays around. And it is good to see Deb meeting up with other members like Spartan in person and giving him a hand. Guys like that you don’t want to lose.

Post: #474

(04-18-2012 01:50 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I've met Deb in real life and seen him in action. He is really good at picking up ladies for 2 reasons:
1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Anyone here ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? He talks about a natural he met back before he started learning game. Women just looked at him and were attracted.
For Deb, its a combination of looks, height, and body language.


The interesting thing is we all have different games in the FSU.
Today I realized why none of the advice I was getting here felt relevant to what I was experiencing.
I think I'm playing the future groom/serious boyfriend role and get way different responses.

A girl yesterday wouldn't kiss me on a date. After I got home, she sent me a message on VK asking why I was so sad when we parted. I said its b/c I don't understand girls here.
It turns out, she really wanted to meet me again and thought I was a great guy...but she doesn't kiss guys until she's sure of them.

Similarly, today a girl brought a friend with her on a meeting with me. I thought she just wanted me to buy stuff for her and her friend. Turns out..she wanted to introduce me to her friend who is a really good girl (she won "best future teacher" competition at the university which is a big deal).
Furthermore, at the end of the date the girl I was introduced too was a little upset because she noticed I have a partial denture (missing 2 teeth and will get dental implants soon). Wow...its like I was a horse and she was checking my teeth. Her friend quickly improved my standing by asking me if I smoke...to which I answered "No". The introduced girl quickly smiled and moved to walk closer to me. I think only 1 out of 100 guys here is a non-smoker.

Greek(and anyone else), you said you have occasionally played the role of "future groom/serious prospect". Any advice?

First of all you are not in the place you claim so the advice you get is irrelevant.There are huge differences between countries of former Soviet Union even between cities in the same country.
When playing the future groom one needs to build trust.You probably fail in this regard I do not know why.If you want to appear serious you have to be serious.The game of future groom is you need to bang me quickly otherwise another girl will be interested in a decent groom.If you do not risk giving up the benefits early so I can get a taste it is possible I am going to another source since I am in demand.
In this case the fact that you stay there for long time is a disadvantage.She thinks she has time.You need to create time constraint.

Interesting, I would like to hear more about this "future groom" game as well. I think that's the game I played quite successfully in Slovakia, a country that is deemed to be quite hard on this forum. One of the girls said she fell for me because I was a gentleman, but I was confident and wasn't afraid to escalate quickly. All of my bangs came from online pipelining before the trip and my ad sounded almost marriage minded. And I think I have built trust and comfort naturally by the virtue of having family there and speaking the language.
Another thing is that I really kind of believed that "future groom" game at that time; actually the successes there were pivotal in my transformation as I found out I can have many different girls and wouldn't want to rob myself of these experiences by settling with just one...

Post: #475

The classic way to ''wrap'' the future groom is to fall pregnant with him later have his children.It is the classic trick slavic women put on that is why they mostly refuse to use condoms.To achieve falling quickly pregnant they resort to isolation of future groom and heavy banging(continuous day and night).Polish women are very successful in this.The same variation is valid in western Ukraine.
So as a future groom you may gain unlimited sex for free but you risk making her pregnant and being commited for life.Many girls are asking straight for sex without condoms and even finishing into them(especially provincial girls from small villages).
If a girl rotates every year between 4-5 future grooms(you will get dumped if you do not commit in 6 months space) she will for sure get married in 3 years at least and this is known to them.These wet situations as future groom are unforegetable although we are meant to create a heavy suffering to the poor girls who feel deceived after the foreigner leaves.
Of course I am always talking about the unintentional future groom game where you do not speak out your desire to marry them(this is done by Italian or turkish future grooms they feel free to lie).
However in countries like Slovakia a courting behaviour usual in the West to get a bang may easily be interpreted as relationship with serious goals and marriage orientation so one should be careful(in case of Albania do not even think about that if the girl has a brother he is likely to appear with a Kalashnikov and ask you to marry her after the first bang).