Post: #426

(04-17-2012 10:42 PM)The Duke Wrote:  I had more success in Ukraine than other places I think because I worked harder there. This might apply to Deb a little bit as well.

In my mind, Ukraine had a stereotype for being an easy place to pickup. When I first arrived, I was under the false impression that Ukraine was something like Peru or the Philippines, but it's not. What I didn't know didn't hurt me -- I'm thinking it helped me. I pursued Ukrainian girls "with no reservations", as Anthony Bourdain would say.

Maybe Deb holds back a little in the UK. Maybe a lot of us hold back a little when at home or a country that intimidates us or otherwise makes us not feel like a VIP. Deb, when you go to Serbia, dont hold back -- see if you get the same results as in Ukraine.

Back in the UK, I very rarely hit on girls in the street unless I am drunk.

I will not post anymore on this forum, as my posts are pure fiction and my advice unhelpful.

I would recommend not to go to Ukraine, as others have mentioned you need Santa Claus game here, the women want D&G before they will even let you sniff their panties.

Money is the only thing that women want here, if you are a good looking guy, charismatic guy you are better staying in the west where beauty is highly valued.

I will respond to PM only in future, keen to meet anyone here who can help me with game.

Post: #427

^^^ Disappointing meltdown.

So oldnemesis calls you out and you leave the next day.

Was that beta?

Post: #428

Roosh Wrote:I really want to believe that a guy is killing it here because that means that I can also, but if his tips are "smile" and "use google translate", that's not something I can test out... My suggestion to you is to think a bit more on exactly what you're doing.

One hour later...

Deb Wrote:I walk down the streets here, make eye contact with girls, smile, they smile back I talk to them, I get a number.

What a thread!

Post: #429

Pity if Deb disappears as he contributed a lot of posts and kept the thread ticking over. I do believe he said himself that he had gone out with other forum members in Lviv to game girls so maybe they could give us a break down of what occurred?

I in no means say this in regards to Deb however I think in general a lot of people project in their posts what they would like to have happen: so for example going out and getting a number off of a 6 becomes "I cave manned a 8 and banged her in the toilets". Nobody can disprove shit. That's why I like Roosh's posts because he readily admits to his own failures in trying to get laid. That's so much more interesting to read then "I banged a Ukrainian 10 up the bum after buying her soup in Puzata Hata". Personally when I go to the FSU ( Europe part ) if I bang 1 girl a week I think I'm doing ok and I've neve banged a 10, only 6,7 and a couple of 8's in all my trips.

If others are blowing those figures out of the water then great but unless explanations of how are forthcoming then I'll be a tad skeptical.

Post: #430

Roosh, have you made it over to Russia yet or do you plan to? Would be interested to get your take on St Petersburg

Post: #431

(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  ^^^ Disappointing meltdown.

So oldnemesis calls you out and you leave the next day.

Was that beta?

Oldnemesis won the call out in the first minute of the first round by heavy knockdown.


Anyone who says it really easy to get laid in <insert country> is either getting very lucky, spending a lot of money or a very skilled player.

Or probably just one of those liars like I have met plenty of while traveling. Most guys I met react in one of these four ways when they find out about my site or that I bang a lot a girls. In no particular order:

1. They do not condone what I’m doing and give me white knighting beta reactions.
2. They start avoiding me and are probably ashamed that they are weak in picking up girls.
3. They come up with incredible bang stories them selves but I actually never see them take action.
4. They idolize me and follow me around like a puppy.

For me nr 4 is the best because it gives me a confident boost and I have to make sure I succeed when they are around, so I push myself hard to not embarrass myself or look like a number 3. It’s still no guarantee for success though.

The only reason i bang a reasonable amount of girls is sheer persistence but its hit and miss all the time and i occasionally suffer from heavy approach anxiety

Post: #432

Deb I remember you said you once did male modelling, correct? Your looks no doubt make you extremely confident and this would show in the way you carry yourself. Even if Ukrainian girls don't value looks as much as in other places according to guys on this thread it will still help you because it makes you more confident/alpha. You've probably killed it in the U.K and in Serbia too, as well as living a location independent lifestyle. You're successful, you have it made etc etc. Have you ever thought that all of this has made you ballsy, confident and subconsciously communicating your value to girls without realizing it?

You say you're not running game, at least not consciously but at the same time you're probably doing the same thing that guys who purposely practice game do, only you don't realize it because you've never had to think about it. If you got somebody to watch you in action even just in your cold approaches I reckon they would be able to find a few points which they could adopt to emulate your success. Get somebody from the forum to watch and see what they think about it.

Post: #433

I think P Dog hit it on the head.

When I've been successful picking up broads it's when I'm just myself. This makes it hard to describe what I do because I don't think about it, I just do it without thinking. I feel Deb is likely the same.

I'm not saying I am as successful as some guys here, far from it (El Mech blows my mind with his production), but when you just do things without prior thought or planning it can make it difficult to describe to others what you did to get a result. I certainly don't write down or even make a mental note of conversations I have, so recalling nuances is impossible for me.

Post: #434

(04-18-2012 08:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  ^^^ Disappointing meltdown.

So oldnemesis calls you out and you leave the next day.

Was that beta?

Oldnemesis won the call out in the first minute of the first round by heavy knockdown.


Anyone who says it really easy to get laid in <insert country> is either getting very lucky, spending a lot of money or a very skilled player.

Or probably just one of those liars like I have met plenty of while traveling. Most guys I met react in one of these four ways when they find out about my site or that I bang a lot a girls. In no particular order:

1. They do not condone what I’m doing and give me white knighting beta reactions.
2. They start avoiding me and are probably ashamed that they are weak in picking up girls.
3. They come up with incredible bang stories them selves but I actually never see them take action.
4. They idolize me and follow me around like a puppy.

For me nr 4 is the best because it gives me a confident boost and I have to make sure I succeed when they are around, so I push myself hard to not embarrass myself or look like a number 3. It’s still no guarantee for success though.

The only reason i bang a reasonable amount of girls is sheer persistence but its hit and miss all the time and i occasionally suffer from heavy approach anxiety

You're right oldnemesis know's the city/country, he's from here after all, how could he be possibly wrong.

But Neil, in all honesty who in the hell would idolise you?. I have seen the pictures of the little street urchins you screw in the garbage cans of SE Asia. Few of them pass as a 6 on most people scales.

By the way your crappy website made my computer crash.

Post: #435

(04-17-2012 02:18 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Oldnemesis: I see that you have mentioned numerous times the importance of humor in regards to UKR chicks. Could you ( or anyone else ) please explain a little about the sense of humor amongst UKR people. Are they into self deprecating humor,just outright telling of jokes,black humour etc. Would be interesting to know wha makes Ukrainian women laugh.

My impression is that all kind of humor works, and it depends on your personality which one would work best on you. Even a self-deprecating humor works fine when it is obvious that you're not using it to cover up some real issues. As with every other location a lot of Russian/Ukrainian humor is based on the culture - the jokes (we call them anecdotes and any local guy could easily tell dozens of them), the movie references (mostly related to old Soviet Union comedies), the comedian references (Zadornov, Zhvanetsky) and so on.

What is NOT good target for humor:

- One's parents. They are respected, and making fun of them is bad taste. So no "your mom sucks cocks in hell" jokes.

- Jokes about someone being gay. You might get beaten up for that. Talking being around of, or having gay friends is not a good idea too.

What is good target:

- Races and genders. Jokes about different races and nationalities are acceptable (this includes jokes about Ukrainians, Russians, Jewish and so on). It is considered moronic to get pissed off about the joke about your race or nationality. Jokes about how one specific race or nationality is superior to others are very common.

- Events which nobody present would likely have any connections with. You can joke about 9/11, for example, or about slavery.

- Black humor is also very good but you need to be careful as it is easy to get overboard. You also need to have a specific personality for those types of jokes to work.

Post: #436

I've met Deb in real life and seen him in action. He is really good at picking up ladies for 2 reasons:
1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Anyone here ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? He talks about a natural he met back before he started learning game. Women just looked at him and were attracted.
For Deb, its a combination of looks, height, and body language.


The interesting thing is we all have different games in the FSU.
Today I realized why none of the advice I was getting here felt relevant to what I was experiencing.
I think I'm playing the future groom/serious boyfriend role and get way different responses.

A girl yesterday wouldn't kiss me on a date. After I got home, she sent me a message on VK asking why I was so sad when we parted. I said its b/c I don't understand girls here.
It turns out, she really wanted to meet me again and thought I was a great guy...but she doesn't kiss guys until she's sure of them.

Similarly, today a girl brought a friend with her on a meeting with me. I thought she just wanted me to buy stuff for her and her friend. Turns out..she wanted to introduce me to her friend who is a really good girl (she won "best future teacher" competition at the university which is a big deal).
Furthermore, at the end of the date the girl I was introduced too was a little upset because she noticed I have a partial denture (missing 2 teeth and will get dental implants soon). Wow...its like I was a horse and she was checking my teeth. Her friend quickly improved my standing by asking me if I smoke...to which I answered "No". The introduced girl quickly smiled and moved to walk closer to me. I think only 1 out of 100 guys here is a non-smoker.

Greek(and anyone else), you said you have occasionally played the role of "future groom/serious prospect". Any advice?

Post: #437

(04-17-2012 02:40 PM)calex Wrote:  Most EE girls who are making any sort of money will make a strong effort to pay their share, at least in my experience. Feminism and all that has come to these parts as well, and a lot of educated girls take pride in being able to pay.

Not in Ukraine, but I've seen that in Romania. Typically it means you're not going to bang her.

Post: #438

(04-17-2012 03:38 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Now I have an idea.There is a city in the East starting from L. with about 500000 inhabitants.

Lugansk?

Post: #439

(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I've met Deb in real life and seen him in action. He is really good at picking up ladies for 2 reasons:
1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Anyone here ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? He talks about a natural he met back before he started learning game. Women just looked at him and were attracted.
For Deb, its a combination of looks, height, and body language.


The interesting thing is we all have different games in the FSU.
Today I realized why none of the advice I was getting here felt relevant to what I was experiencing.
I think I'm playing the future groom/serious boyfriend role and get way different responses.

A girl yesterday wouldn't kiss me on a date. After I got home, she sent me a message on VK asking why I was so sad when we parted. I said its b/c I don't understand girls here.
It turns out, she really wanted to meet me again and thought I was a great guy...but she doesn't kiss guys until she's sure of them.

Similarly, today a girl brought a friend with her on a meeting with me. I thought she just wanted me to buy stuff for her and her friend. Turns out..she wanted to introduce me to her friend who is a really good girl (she won "best future teacher" competition at the university which is a big deal).
Furthermore, at the end of the date the girl I was introduced too was a little upset because she noticed I have a partial denture (missing 2 teeth and will get dental implants soon). Wow...its like I was a horse and she was checking my teeth. Her friend quickly improved my standing by asking me if I smoke...to which I answered "No". The introduced girl quickly smiled and moved to walk closer to me. I think only 1 out of 100 guys here is a non-smoker.

Greek(and anyone else), you said you have occasionally played the role of "future groom/serious prospect". Any advice?

I would like to add, that I don't get any of these girls presents. I paid for tickets to the zoo (1 dollar and 50 cents per person!)...and 30 cents for bus tickets!...thats it.
Usually, when the girls reject me..its not because of money, but for other reasons.
Somehow, I'm doing a very good job of filtering out gold diggers and mostly meeting quality people.

However, my friend from Turkey had bad experiences with girls in nightclubs who would take drinks but then offer nothing in return. I have yet to try night game but will try to test it out this evening.

Post: #440

(04-17-2012 02:06 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  How much information can I provide if I am not using Game?, I don't need to think about what went wrong when a girl knocked me back, because there are many others to concentrate on.

Well, let me put it up very clear: if you arrive in Ukraine and just walk down the streets expecting to be approached by beautiful young women dying to have kids from you, you will get zero results. It doesn't matter how good you are looking, the girls in Ukraine do not approach guys on street unless they have a specific agenda, which never includes fucking you for no contribution from your side. Therefore it is one of two things: either you make the things up and lie about your success (in which case it makes no sense to even talk to you), or you are putting it much more effort than you describe, which includes approaching everyone with a pulse, buying shit and so on.

Quote:Numerous girls complain to me about them, they are drunk, lazy, violent, uneducated, they cannot talk to them about anything.

The last part of your sentence is especially funny, but I guess you didn't even understand it. Yeah, a 17yo complaining about the guys lacking education and intelligence to talk to her but settling on a cheap foreigner she has to talk to through Google Translate, this is very convincing.

Quote:Every girl wants gifts from 3 years old to 93 years old, but what I am saying to you is that girls are not aggressively looking for rich men until their early twenties, especially here. Fact.

I can tell you that much more of them are looking for a rich dude than for an "intelligent fun foreigner".

Quote:The fact that you think women are only interested in money and not looks, demonstrates a hatred for the women here which is in turn due to a track record of failure with Ukrainian women.

The fact that you just said that makes me wonder if you ever been to Ukraine in your life. Because if you were, you'd see it with your own eyes. You would see a lot of local guys dressed up like crap and generally not taking any care of themselves with the beautiful girls you'd never even dream about. This alone would tell you that maybe looks do not matter that much in Ukraine. And if you try to hit on such a girl, you'd find out she is not going to dump her ugly boyfriend for your intelligent, wit and model look foreigner ass. Which would probably again make you wonder whether those qualities you listed have such a lot of value in Ukraine.

Post: #441

Thanks for your input Spartan.

I'm sure you will produce results here, you are a decent looking and pleasant guy, many girls are looking for that here. Even the bad experiences you may have had are not going to waste, they are all adding to your confidence, i'm sure you feel much more confident then when you first turned up

I think if I came here 10 years ago, I would have had a lot less success, I was more shy and reserved then. I only really starting reaping serious results after 27. At almost 36 years old I think i'm riding the crest of my pussy peak.

Post: #442

(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Spartan Wrote:  1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Isn't it interesting how this somehow got away from Deb's reports? AFAIR he never said he was approaching like crazy, and made it look like he's just going out and the women jump on him. Did you witness any obvious closes? Makes me wonder what other pieces of information are missed here?

Quote:Anyone here ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? He talks about a natural he met back before he started learning game. Women just looked at him and were attracted.
For Deb, its a combination of looks, height, and body language.

An important part here is that this natural spoke the language. I won't believe even that natural would get laid by talking to a girl through Google Translate.

Post: #443

(04-18-2012 09:54 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:06 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  How much information can I provide if I am not using Game?, I don't need to think about what went wrong when a girl knocked me back, because there are many others to concentrate on.

Well, let me put it up very clear: if you arrive in Ukraine and just walk down the streets expecting to be approached by beautiful young women dying to have kids from you, you will get zero results. It doesn't matter how good you are looking, the girls in Ukraine do not approach guys on street unless they have a specific agenda, which never includes fucking you for no contribution from your side. Therefore it is one of two things: either you make the things up and lie about your success (in which case it makes no sense to even talk to you), or you are putting it much more effort than you describe, which includes approaching everyone with a pulse, buying shit and so on.

Quote:Numerous girls complain to me about them, they are drunk, lazy, violent, uneducated, they cannot talk to them about anything.

The last part of your sentence is especially funny, but I guess you didn't even understand it. Yeah, a 17yo complaining about the guys lacking education and intelligence to talk to her but settling on a cheap foreigner she has to talk to through Google Translate, this is very convincing.

Quote:Every girl wants gifts from 3 years old to 93 years old, but what I am saying to you is that girls are not aggressively looking for rich men until their early twenties, especially here. Fact.

I can tell you that much more of them are looking for a rich dude than for an "intelligent fun foreigner".

Quote:The fact that you think women are only interested in money and not looks, demonstrates a hatred for the women here which is in turn due to a track record of failure with Ukrainian women.

The fact that you just said that makes me wonder if you ever been to Ukraine in your life. Because if you were, you'd see it with your own eyes. You would see a lot of local guys dressed up like crap and generally not taking any care of themselves with the beautiful girls you'd never even dream about. This alone would tell you that maybe looks do not matter that much in Ukraine. And if you try to hit on such a girl, you'd find out she is not going to dump her ugly boyfriend for your intelligent, wit and model look foreigner ass. Which would probably again make you wonder whether those qualities you listed have such a lot of value in Ukraine.

Oh god another multi quote post from the pint sized Ukrainian beta living overseas.

I very rarely get approached by women i'm a MAN, I do the approaching. What I do get is a hell of a lot of eye fucking.

Who is cheap monkey boy?.

I got sex by using Google translate yes, because the girl is frustrated because she likes me and wants to be with me, but cannot converse with me.

Beautiful girls are with ugly Ukrainians because there are few expats here, and they have few options for travel overseas.

It all boils down to jealousy and resentment with you:

1.You don't like what I said about the Ukrainian men, though deep down you know it to be true.

2.You are jealous that i'm screwing the population of Lemberg, your home town that you get nothing in and left a virgin.

3. You have a huge chip on your shoulder, probably to do with being vertically challenged.

Yes I do live in Ukraine, i've been here for sometime, and you know this. We have a mutual acquaintance, did you forget?

Post: #444

(04-18-2012 10:04 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Spartan Wrote:  1. he takes every opportunity to approach
2. he has natural game

Isn't it interesting how this somehow got away from Deb's reports? AFAIR he never said he was approaching like crazy, and made it look like he's just going out and the women jump on him. Did you witness any obvious closes? Makes me wonder what other pieces of information are missed here?

Quote:Anyone here ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? He talks about a natural he met back before he started learning game. Women just looked at him and were attracted.
For Deb, its a combination of looks, height, and body language.

An important part here is that this natural spoke the language. I won't believe even that natural would get laid by talking to a girl through Google Translate.

Enough about me Nemesis, let me hear more about your tales of woe from your homeland

Post: #445

(04-18-2012 09:26 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 08:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're right oldnemesis know's the city/country, he's from here after all, how could he be possibly wrong.

But Neil, in all honesty who in the hell would idolise you?. I have seen the pictures of the little street urchins you screw in the garbage cans of SE Asia. Few of them pass as a 6 on most people scales.

By the way your crappy website made my computer crash.

You must have exceptional eyes if you can see through blurred pictures.

And how can you see my " little street urchins i screw in the garbage cans of south east asia" if my website made your computer crash ??
You keep contradicting yourself and please let me see your website with all those hot 7 and 8's you are banging.

Oh wait , you don't have a website, we just have to believe your word on all the chicks you are fucking in droves without giving any tips on how to do that besides smiling and looking pretty.

Weren't you the guy who massively hated on the Philippines without having been there ? Another one of your intelligent posts.

Post: #446

Will be my last post.

Old Betas like Nemesis are the jealous type that want to drag you down to their low level.

My successes and skills have been vouched for.

I'm happy and successful.

Again only too happy to meet up with established members if they are passing through Lvov

Post: #447

In defense of Deb sometimes you end up in a place where for whatever reason,usually unfathomable,the local chicks just dig you. I killed it in Bishkek and could have banged so many more then I did if I had more motivation. My younger better looking foreign friends were perplexed and a little pissed off that I a 34 year old ( at that time ) blew them out the water. However ask me how I did it and apart from superficial advice ( I posted a Bishkek data sheet ) I really don't know. They just really liked me for some reason and that was without using any deep level game stuff,just turning up in a club,having a good time and taking girls home.

Sometimes the last guy who knows how he got laid is the guy who got laid.

Post: #448

(04-18-2012 10:20 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:26 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 08:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're right oldnemesis know's the city/country, he's from here after all, how could he be possibly wrong.

But Neil, in all honesty who in the hell would idolise you?. I have seen the pictures of the little street urchins you screw in the garbage cans of SE Asia. Few of them pass as a 6 on most people scales.

By the way your crappy website made my computer crash.

You must have exceptional eyes if you can see through blurred pictures.

And how can you see my " little street urchins i screw in the garbage cans of south east asia" if my website made you computer crash ??
You keep contradicting yourself and please let me see your website with all those hot 7 and 8's you are banging.

Oh wait , you don't have a website, we just have to believe your word on all the chicks you are fucking in droves without giving any tips on how to do that besides smiling and looking pretty.

Saw your pics before when you had some kind of operational blog/site, I can't remember. Some pics of you with some little brown bambinos that looked 10 years old.

Why exactly do I want a website?

I have given as many tips as I can, I don't think about game, I don't need to. If I score with a beautiful women, I don't lie in bed afterwards thinking about the key to my success.

I can only surmise that I am "a natural"

Post: #449

(04-18-2012 10:13 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Oh god another multi quote post from the pint sized Ukrainian beta living overseas.

Wow, it seem to really hurt when someone doesn't believe your Internet "alphaness" and scores you're dreaming to get. That speaks quite loudly about your lack of self-confidence besides other things. And you're obviously pissed off on local Ukrainian guys who're walking around with the girlfriends you will never have in your whole life. But that's fine, you can always have one for a hundred bucks.

Quote:I got sex by using Google translate yes, because the girl is frustrated because she likes me and wants to be with me, but cannot converse with me.

Oh yeah. You're learning about each other personalities, tell jokes and build the connection by talking through the Google Translate. And while you're typing a long sentence she's just staying around doing nothing, people in Ukraine have nothing to do anyway. Too bad you cannot even take a walk in the park as the Internet connection might not be available there, which will gag you immediately. Don't worry, I'm sure eventually someone would believe that you got sex by Google Translate, and that the phrase you translated was not "Too expensive. 400 hryvnas for two hours".

Quote:It all boils down to jealousy and resentment with you:

You must be kidding. What to be jealous about here, your stories which I don't believe a single bit? Your information about yourself which I do not believe a single bit? You may think you're original, but you're just another macho who came here to brag about his success. There was a bunch of them before you, and I'm sure there will be a bunch of them after you. They all share the same trait - they always talk about their scores but they talk very little about their game. And once they start sharing what they actually do, it looks completely unrealistic to anyone who has any relevant experience.

And your lame attempts to piss me off only make me laugh. Thank you to make my day though, it was quite boring until you start replying. I need to stay at work three more hours and I'd use some entertainment, so please continue!

Quote:Yes I do live in Ukraine, i've been here for sometime, and you know this. We have a mutual acquaintance, did you forget?

Oh really?

Post: #450

(04-18-2012 10:23 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Will be my last post.
Old Betas like Nemesis are the jealous type that want to drag you down to their low level.

Shit. Could you at least make a couple more through the next meeting? Just three more hours! Please?

Quote:My successes and skills have been vouched for.

Where? I'm dying to see an "I've seen Deb getting laid with Google Translate" field report.