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Book Club Round 1: The 48 Laws of Power
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Sorry P Dog, I'm trying to keep up law per day. It's not like I'm spoiling the story, just skip my post if your not that far along yet. Some people will read the book and not post, some will read summaries people throw up here, some will chime in with discussion (read book previously) while others will do nothing - it's all good.

Andreas, when Greene says psychologically mimic, I belive he is saying think and act like. Put yourself in there position. Kinda like mirroring someone body language.

As for experiences in regards to Law 2:
When I was younger I definitely got screwed over by friends. Even in mid-20's I find at times being taken advantage of by 'friends'. I try to be a really good friend - always help them move, there when they need me, etc. Yet thats not so easily reciprocated by some.
Five years ago I was all set to go into business with a few friends, I'd begun putting money in to the deal, one of them pussies out, the others follow suit and bail, leaving me in the lurch. I hadnt put in a lot, but they still screwed me and none offered to pay me back a portion of the money I had lost or apologised for wasting my time and re-negging on the plan.
On three separate occasions in high school I ended up being really solid with guys who had been complete enemies with - I knocked one of them out in a fight and broke one of the others nose after he had been giving me shit for weeks. We buried the hatchet and I knew those three guys had my back coming out the other side.

As for personal examples of law 3 - when I was in my late teens and early 20's I used to hang out with a bunch of guys who were very ostentatious, they would do anything for attention. Wear obnoxious clothes, drive cars that belonged on the set of Fast and the Furious. They would argue with anyone, do ridiculous stunts, always getting in fights... I think you get the picture.
Now yes they got the attention of women, but mostly just a certain type (cheap nasty sluts). They also got a lot of attention from police (screwing cops daughters, brawling and driving recklessly will do that) - now I did the last two (I preferred nurses to cops daughters) yet because I wasn't wearing the same attention grabbing clothes, crazy hair, driving bright colored car with pumping stereo and loud exhaust, I blended in a lot better - less of a target. They were cop bait, always in trouble - yet the cops looked straight past me. I was able to attract a higher caliber of women as well, they weren't embarrassed to be seen with me.
I was doing pretty much the same things as these guys - brawling, brutally hitting on women ('fuck me if I'm wrong but is your name Pocahontas', we even used to see who could get slapped the most by girls in the course of a night), driving like a moron, being a drunk/hyperactive lunatic, etc. Yet I really had none of the negative attention because visually I didn't fit the stereotype. The others had 'guilty' practically stamped on there forehead and painted on their cars.

Suit game is also very 3rd law. It's almost like a very attractive blank canvas, concealing your attentions and at the same time making her curious. It makes you look good and possibly wealthy. It makes you seem respectable. You blend in, but in a good way. Also makes them curious, women in particular - they think important people wear suits, assume you are. Maybe they think your a businessman, maybe youve been to a funeral, maybe your a gangster, maybe youre a millionaire, perhaps youre tie would be nice lashing her wrists together...

'I blew most of my money on fast cars, booze and women. The rest I squandered' - George Best
03-18-2012 09:41 AM
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(03-18-2012 12:52 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Has anybody had personal experiences related to Law #2? I've never taken note of that phenomena before.

Yeah, Law two is intense . I can't say I've had a very similar experience but I used to have friends that I put way to much trust in when I was younger . . I still have friends that can be very bitter towards me for various reasons . . As far as using enemies over friends to benefit you, I can't think of one time that it has been worth it. My father always tells me that when friends and family are involved with your business, things get fucked up , especially if they owe you money for a job . .

I almost don't want to believe it, but I know that shit probably happens all the time between people .
03-18-2012 12:34 PM
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An example of Law 3 would be how you don't want to get profiled by the police if you're doing something illegal. A friend of mine may or may not have transported drugs in a briefcase while wearing a suit because, at least at london train stations, they target the people who dress like stereotypical dealers.

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Is anyone getting value from my summaries, thoughts and personal experiences?
I dont need the validation, I just want to see if people are actually reading them, otherwise I'll use the time writing up to read another book instead.


Law 4 - Always Say Less Than Necessary
This law reminds me of a quote my father often dished out when I was young and prone to talk a lot of shit: "Better to be silent and thought a fool than speak and put it beyond doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

Be brief, be vague. Keep questions open ended. Let people fill in the blanks - mysterious.

Greene talks about a great 5th century roman military hero, Gnaeus Marcius (aka Coriolanus). Constantly on the battlefield saving Rome he became a hero for his victories. Unknown for anything but his fighting ability Gnaeus decides to enter politics and beings campaigning for consul by revealing his many battlescars as proof of his valor and service to Rome before launching in to traditonal speech, moving crowd to tears.
Certain of victory come polling day Gnaeus put on an arrogant display then gave an even more boastful and crude speech. He was a braggart. Word spread and people voted en-mass against the man assured victory.
Vowing vengeance he went on to block much needed grain supply and condemned democracy. Given a platform to speak and redeem himself Gnaeus instead launched another tirade and was sentenced to life imprisonment as the people of Rome celebrated the decision in the streets.
The guy had the thing on lock, but his big mouth ruined it. By virtue of his heroic status, his many wounds Gnaues had a mythic status and that would have easily wont him the election, if he had continued from there to hold his tongue, who knows how far beyond consul he may have risen.speaking shattered that status.

I love the anecdote about Henry Kissinger twice giving a staffer an important document he was writing back with the note "Is this the best you can do?". Pissed off and determined to impress Kissinger, the guy re-wrote it twice before Kissinger asked "Are you sure you can do no better?" The staffer replied yes and Kissinger said "Fine, I guess I will read it this time".
Rarely do people turn in the best work unprompted, Kissinger could have read it on the first occasion and checked, given detailed feedback and asked for it to be improved. Instead just a few short words, no wasted effort.
A teacher in my final year of high school pulled the same stunt on several occasions - I'd turn in an assignment to him early, moving on to the many others on my plate and he would throw it back at me without a glance to 'try a little harder'.

King Louis XIV would leave nobles and minsters to debate matters at length, often turning in to bitter and drawn out fights. Two sides would emerge and a person from each camp would then be sent together to present their views to the king once there ideas were cristalised. He would listen, say 'we shall see', dismiss the two and then make his own decision and implement it without any further input or consultation. Earlier in his life the king had been a talker, eager to show all how intilgent and eloquent he was. Over time he embraced an economy of words, masking his belifs and throwing people off balance - including his own court. People could not try and suck up, because no one knew what he wanted to hear. People were often terrified to speak with him. Pretty sure there was a similar policy at times amongst the Vietnamese Nyugen dynasty.

The god father of pop art Andy Warhol came to learn of the power as well, first in getting his staff to do as he wanted and then by not commenting about his art (particularly the meaning behind it) people would make there own interpretations and make them far more interesting and valuable.

There are of course big downsides to keeping quiet - vague instructions can lead to horrible things, people will be suspicious (what are you hiding by keeping quiet?), shy - undesirable?
Rather than being quiet playing the fool, blabbing gibberish and constantly joking can be a useful tool as well. People may think of you as an idiot, allowing you to fly under the radar.

And by trotting out all this gibberish I've completely broken the law. Would Fight Club have been so cool if the first rule was to tell everyone about it?

'I blew most of my money on fast cars, booze and women. The rest I squandered' - George Best
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Your breakdowns are really good. Keep come coming.
03-19-2012 06:13 AM
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(03-18-2012 12:52 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Has anybody had personal experiences related to Law #2? I've never taken note of that phenomena before.

I don't recall having any, but I can definitely see alot of pontential regarding the enemy strategies that were mentioned.
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(03-18-2012 12:34 PM)Pinch Wrote:  
(03-18-2012 12:52 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Has anybody had personal experiences related to Law #2? I've never taken note of that phenomena before.

Yeah, Law two is intense . I can't say I've had a very similar experience but I used to have friends that I put way to much trust in when I was younger . . I still have friends that can be very bitter towards me for various reasons . . As far as using enemies over friends to benefit you, I can't think of one time that it has been worth it. My father always tells me that when friends and family are involved with your business, things get fucked up , especially if they owe you money for a job . .

I almost don't want to believe it, but I know that shit probably happens all the time between people .

Let me tell you exactly why you should never mix friends with business.

In business, the GOAL is to make as much money for yourself as possible. Other people don't come into the equation. If you want to be good at business, you have to have the mindset of "fuck everyone that isn't me". Otherwise you will likely fail.
You can't feel bad for anyone. The sole purpose of business is to take other people's money.

My father is a successful businessman with several companies. I've learnt a lot from him over the years.

If you need me to clarify anything just ask.

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Here are my thoughts on the first few laws:

General: This book applies a lot to game, and the first few laws really teach the importance of appearance which is then backed up by substance. I used to think "fuck what clothes I wear I'm too cool for that shit people should just acknowledge that" now that I dress more "normal" or at least fashionable, make sure i get regular haircuts all around have a well groomed appearance it has benefited in many ways.

Another important note on appearance, you can have a good appearance, but if you don't know what you want to use it for it is not serving you to your full potential. Ie. you have to know what kind of girls you want to attract and have a congruent appearance

Law 1: Never Outshine The Master
Application to game: while you want to be the "alpha male" you don't want to be the guy who is obviously showing off. This law made me think about the subtlety of my actions, implying or guiding people down a path instead of just dragging them.

Law 2: Never put too much trust in friends, learn how to use enemies
I can see this applying to business heavily see walnuts' post.
As for game I can see its applications too. Don't try to get your guy friends to follow in your footsteps or wingman you all the time, they may be lower than you in skill and will get jealous and subtly try to sabotage you in your attempts. Don't share your exploits or brag about girls you're banging, they might get jealous.

I really liked the reasoning behind using enemies or at least non-friends. Friends expect you to act a certain way, but in business you are different, in game you are focused on a certain goal and cant be expected to drag them along at all points

Law 3: conceal your intentions
this one is a given, the basis for indirect game. Put on a calm/cool exterior and scheme on the inside. You will create an air of control and dominance if you can indirectly lead someone into something. I think girls are less likely to show resistance if you aren't super direct.

Law 4: always say less than necessary
A common problem when I started in this stuff, and still a bit now is just babbling nonsense. Try to get your girl talking and say something funny that keeps her interested every once and a while. Keep an air of mystery don't blab everything about yourself or you seem like a nervous idiot.

Law 5: So much depends on reputation - guard it with your life
Out of all of them so far I think this one is the most important. It falls in with my original statement. You have to produce an image you want people to see and it has to be congruent with your reputation. I like the suggestion of taking an active approach to making a reputation. I don't really have any suggestions except for don't get a reputation as a pump and dump asshole, get one as the irresistibly charming good in bed guy. Like the casanova example girls will hear about this and be curious to see/feel your skills. This has worked for me in social circles before.

As for keeping your reputation brainstorm the possible ways in which it could be hurt and plan to defend against them.


I really like how much this book forces you to evaluate how you are using these goals. I am somewhat, but I really need to figure out and construct a reputation, appearance that I want and learn how to analyze situations. Normally I just act on impulse and go with the flow.
03-20-2012 07:19 PM
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Great break downs Basil, keep up the good work!

I'm ready to help Scheer put Trudeau back in the cuckshed where he belongs. HSLD
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(03-18-2012 12:52 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Has anybody had personal experiences related to Law #2? I've never taken note of that phenomena before.

Its happened to me a few times. my father always told me never to trust anyone and now i've learnt the hard way. the older i get the more i realise that i need to start learning anything that comes out of his mouth. he's been through a lot of shit.

anyway, the world is fucked up and everyone on it is out for themselves at your cost. that is the truth right there. that disney bullshit about caring and sharing and people helping each other is the biggest lie on earth. do yourself a favour and learn this law like your life depends on it. i have 1 dude that i know won't try to fuck me over. i only trust immediate family and that's only because i'm turkish and we have a culture of close family. i've seen english parents that haven't seen their sons and daughters in years.

last year i let a "friend" from uni stay at my apartment for the summer. he was disrespectful and took my kindness for weakness so i kicked him out and he still owes me money. He just used me for a place to stay and didn't give a shit about me. the debt is minor but its the principle and now when i catch him i'm going to beat the shit out of him for the disrespect. this is just one example.

I've had people lie to my face with such conviction that they should have had a fucking oscar nomination right there. whenever you deal with anyone you have to think "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME? WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO GAIN FROM THIS?"
never assume people are just doing you a favour. they never are.

sorry to post this melodramatic shit, but you i remember you said you're 17 and you really need to know this. however, i know that i only learnt it after it happened to me so i can only hope that you're not as naive as i was.

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oh one last thing,
if you ever catch yourself feeling bad for anyone, just remember, if they were in your position, they would shit on you without hesitation.

my grandfather told me "the man who feels sorry for others will end up in a position to be felt sorry for"
the turkish was "Aciyan acınacak duruma duser" if anyone wants to know.

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Law 4 is something I've been meaning to work on actually, I ought to practice that like I have been for body language, voice tonality and eye contact for the last few weeks.
Law 5 also, but it's difficult to change your reputation when in high school, thankfully I start university next March so I'll be able to build a new one then.

@Walnut, I do think people are naturally selfish, and in my experience so far if a person has a personal incentive to blatantly lie they can and they will.
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How could I Change my rep after I graduated college next year
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I'm going to buy this book. Thanks for the reviews players..
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When my friends request something from me and they follow it with a compliment, it really hits me. I have become so aware of this. Greene is right about people expecting things from you everyday.

Everyday i become more and more selective to who i give and do favour for....
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Im at Law 22. I am surprised there is such universal applause for this book. Many of the laws make sense on their face, but a few seem contradictory. My main problem is that every example is from a king or prince or president or someone already super powerful. It would nice to see examples these laws in effect for and every day person.
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Using historical examples is great because they can be proved and looked up for factual accuracy
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First to P Dog and others, you can change your rep in high school - I did it several times. Now one of the methods I used was basiclly disappering from the face of the earth for over a year, a bit drastic but very effective. Instead go on overseas exchange, friends of mine went to Germany and came back few months later as new people.

My first experiments with changing my rep started in my first year of high school. I began by befriending cooler older guys in school by bringing value to them and dominating swim team. Those closer to my age saw me hanging with these guys and thought I must be cool. Then being with cool older guys I was also exposed to cool older girls, which got me attention from girls my age.

Then there was my exile as mentioned above, mysterious disappearance was great for rep. In my final two years of high school I refused to be the kind of guy who spent all his time with the one group of people - instead becoming a social butterfly. I'd hang out with one group at lunch times on a Monday, another the next. Then there was different groups, sporting teams etc. Just do it.


Law 5 - So Much Depends on Reputation, Guard it With Your Life

Your reputation can win you battles without you having to step on to the battle field. It's like passive income, working for you even while you sleep - a force multiplier.

Destroy enemies by chipping away at their rep - create an opening and let media/general public blow a bigger hole in it than you ever could. All you need to do is leave a few dirty marks on them and let them try and rub it away, creating bigger stains. If someone spreads rumors about you - accept it, laugh it off if possible. Small stains wash off eventually, the more you fuss, try and protect your reputation and deny the accusations the more guilty you will look. Don't fan the flames, let it die out.

Greene gives example of Chuke Liang - great Chinese general. One day Liang had sent his vast army marching to a camp far away while he and 100 close troops occupied a small town to rest. Word reached Liang that 150,000 troops were marching straight towards him.
Liang changed in to a monks outfit, ordered his small group of troops to hide amongst the town after opening the weak gates of the walled town. Liang climbed atop the gate, burned incense and began playing a lute. As the troops neared the gates the leader recognised Liang and panicked - it must be a trap, no way would such a famous general be in such a position. He ordered his troops to retreat.
Liang's reputation was so powerful he had defeated 150,000 troops with incense and a lute. He was a master of information warfare - using his own spies, turning enemy spies in to double agents spreading false information and sabotaging his enemies. He would make enemies believe there best general was a traitor - he would be killed by his own leaders without Liang having to fight them on the battlefield.

Before PT Barnum was famous for his circus and traveling acts he tried to open a museum and came under attack from a competitor owned by a large company. With no reputation of his own Barnum attacked his competitor, writing letters to newspaper and slowly spreading word that all was not well with his competitor. The mud he threw began to stick and eventually their share price began to suffer, leading to doubt, more share price slump and and continued downward spiral leading to disaster.
A few years later as Barnum's reputation had grown a competitor unveiled a hypnotism show that he thought was low-brow. Eventually though it was pulling a large crowd away from Barnum and he countered by unveiling his own hypnotism show. For the main act Barnum would hypnotise a little girl and then tell the audience he would cut of the girls finger. The little girl would snap out of the fake trance and runaway shreiking - making a mockery of hypnotsim. With each crow that left in hysterics world slowly spread the hypnotism was rubbish. The cheap stunt eventually destroyed his competitors main attraction.

Sow the seed of doubt. Give hints, not the full picture. Make people curious and let them reach there own conclusions (that you have lead them towards) - the message will be far more powerful than if you had spelled it all out and told them exactly what to belive.

Appearances are everything - wear a cheap suit and people will know it. Charge low prices, people will belive the quality is low.

Greene advocates building your rep around one thing. Casanova cultivated his rep as being a seducer, as word spread women would come to him curious and even willing to be swept off their feet.

My own observations - trying to get a friend to see that his girlfriend is wrong for him is one of the toughest things to do. I had tried and failed in the past, losing a close friend even. Recently rather than expressing she was wrong for him I gradually sowed doubt about their relationship. Rather than say she was cheating I'd say I saw her with a guy - let him figure out the rest without pushing him to the conclusion. Over time he began seeing all the flaws that my friends and I had long know and dumped her.

I used to work with a lot of pro-photographers and one of them was trying to crack in to wedding photography. He did a few friends weddings for free to build a portfolio - all beautiful work. But he was getting nowhere. He was able to get the odd meeting with perspective clients but they never called back for his services.
Having worked for his friends for free they did not appreciate his work (things that are cheaply earned are cheaply valued - free is even worse) and refereed no business his way. The few perspective clients were being offered insanely cheap introductory rates, free prints and more.
I told him to quit introductory rates, stop telling people you are new (he had been a semi-professional sports and modeling photographer for over 5 years). Then I told him to double his rates and keep doubling them until business was booming. He was booked solid within 6 months, charging 5 times his regular rate. I helped him with some initial cheap publicity (no advertising) and since then he does nothing to promote at all apart from maintain his website.



Law 6 - Court Attention At All Costs

Appearance is everything and if people cannot see you, you may as well not exist. Be a stand out, be mysterious, colorful, bold and anything but boring.
Be controversial and scandalous. All press is good press. Better to be hated than ignored.

PT Barnum hired a beggar to promote his museum of curiosities. He gave the beggar 5 bricks and told him to walk a circuit of a few blocks around the museum, on his first lap he would drop 4 of the bricks at intervals around the circuit, retaining 1. On subsequent laps he would stop at each brick and replace it with the one already in his hand. After a few laps the bizzare stunt had attracted a bunch of people following the beggar who was to remain serious and not answer any questions. He walked through the museum as part of his lap bringing in paying customers to follow him around the museum, many who would remain there, before resuming another lap. The stunt went on for days attracting thousands of people until police ordered the beggar and Barnum to cease due to crowds blocking traffic.
When one of his traveling acts, a woman claimed to be 161 and George Washington's nurse, got stale he wrote letters to newspapers claiming she was a robot. Crowds flocked back to see if she truly was an automaton. He would hire awful bands to play for free from balconies near his museum but just out of earshot. A free band would attract attention, there awfulness would drive them in to his museum to get away from the sound. By the way if like me you love reading about Barnums stunts check out A Customer Born Every Minute by Joe Vitale.
He would do anything to drag attention and never criticiscised bad publicity - in fact he would even write against himself anonymously to keep his name and businesses in attention.

Do not discriminate between good and bad attention, both are better than none. Mystery obviously read this law when he began peacocking, Greene singles out dressing in a bizarre manner. Greene again states to pick one thing to become notorious for - take the Kardashians being Armenian princesses with big butts. They have parlayed a defunct title and fat ass into fame and fortune - because they have not differentiated between good and bad publicity (has there genuinely been any good publicity?). They will do anything to avoid being ignored, sex tape, shitty endorsements, nightclub appearances, trashy reality tv showing just how retarded they are.

The alternative to going to any lengths for attention is mystery. Mata Hari is the epitome of this, word spread among Paris of a beautiful woman from the Orient dancing in a sexy manner the likes of which no one had seen before. She intrigued and bewildered all who visited, with exotic perfumes, dress, music, dance and tales of Javanese and Indian folktales/mythology.
Word kept spreading along with rumours and questions about her - Mata Hari was in no rush to spell it all out - just a few exotic tales here and there. She restricted access to her shows, rather than throwing open the doors, the most powerful Parisians and foreign diplomats were among those clamoring to see. Slowly shit let slip little details, first she was Dutch and grew up in Java - then her story changed to being descendant of Javanese royalty. Together with rumors flying around no one really knew anything about her.
After tiny shows in apartments Mata Hari finally performed in public, sparking riots amongst the crush. She then toured around Europe - Berlin, Vienna, Milan and beyond mixing with the famous and powerful. In the dying days of WWI she was arrested in France and executed as a German spy - only then did the truth come out.
She was mysterious, constantly reinventing herself, performances and stories. This was all that separated her from the flow of pretty woman who came to Paris to during the time to become dancers (as women now flock to Hollywood to become movie stars), she was not even a good dancer or that beautiful.

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If you're involved in organised crime then all press is bad press. Apart from that exception your post is solid. +1 uhhh I mean high five or gift2 or whatever...

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RE: Book Club Round 1: The 48 Laws of Power
I'm kind of questioning the validity of Robert Greene. Are his books interesting food for thought? Yes. Can they teach you something? Surely. But most of these guidelines to obtaining, and maintaining advantages amongst others is just way too broad. It kind of reminds me of "the alchemist" in that these parables can come off as philosophical jargon that ultimately doesn't do shit but give you worthless information to think about. And like what others said, what Greene says for one chapter can completely contradict something in another. I'm not home right now so I don't have access to the book to break it down, but the more I read it the more I'm starting to get turned off from his writing.
03-23-2012 11:43 AM
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RE: Book Club Round 1: The 48 Laws of Power
I think what may seem like contradictions are perceived that way because they only apply to certain situations and not as a general rule.

I can't think of an example right now, I'll try to get one when I get some time to read.

It's good that you're doubting the author though. I mean who is this guy? And if he knew all of these laws of power then why isn't he balls deep in Benjamin's and writing a book instead.

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03-23-2012 03:33 PM
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Great book! Read years ago with another book "How to win friends and influence people". I think I'll read them again since they are very good and very practical...
03-23-2012 03:54 PM
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RE: Book Club Round 1: The 48 Laws of Power
Life is full of contradictions guys, not just the book. Women telling you they want a nice guy but going home with the asshole is just one example.

Rules can be bent, broken, ignored and flushed down the toilet. Generally though they are there for a reason. Greene's laws aren't perfect, they are not a pill you take or a band aid you can patch things up with - they are a smorgasboard of ideas for you to select from in order to get more out of life.

You call Greene a fraud? Hes written 4 high selling books, what have you done? A lot of guys more succsesfull than you or I have praised Greene - 50 Cent, the CEO of American Apparell Dov Charney, Will Smith, producer Brian Grazier...

Maybe there is something in the book.

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03-23-2012 04:38 PM
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I never called him a fraud. I think the book is pretty good.
I just think we should always be a little skeptical and not believe everything that you read without questioning it.

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03-23-2012 05:24 PM
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Sad to see things are getting a bit stale here. How is everyone going? Had a hectic few weeks, finally a day of leisure coming up to catch up with the reading, here is a down deposit:


Law 7 -Get Others To Do The Work For You - But Always Take The Credit

To me this law is epitomised by women with a harem of beta males to do things for her. Also a hell of a lot of Tim Ferriss 4 Hour Work Week at play - your time is limited and you cannot know everything, so use others to get shit done that you are not great at or do not have time for.

The battle between inventors Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla is the perfect example of this law at work. Edison was a brilliant businessman and marketer while Tesla was a true genuis with no business sense. History should celebrate Tesla and in their lifetimes it should have been he who was financially rewarded however in both instances it is Edison who reaped more than the lions share by being the name behind the invention rather than the genius.

Personally I hate this law - it encourages parasites and backstabbers. I have no problem knifing people who coast and do not put in, though I could never screw over someone getting things done unless they were a prick to me (then gloves are off).

Regardless of my moral gripe with the method however it does work. Rather than benefiting from the hard work of those imediately around you the law can also be applied to learning from history and the mistakes of others. Why blaze new trails when so many before you have cleared a path, follow from others. Copy, paste and then modify from those who succeded before you rather than trying to re-invent the wheel. "Standing on the shoulders of giants", as Issac Newton put it.



Law 8 - Make Other People Come to You, Use Bait if Necessary

Make people come to you, home court advantage with you in comfort zone and them on the backfoot sucked in to your frame.

Thinking several steps ahead of your enemy like a game of chess.

Classic example is Talleyrand masterminding Napoleon's escape from exile in Elba. Talleyrand new Napoleon still had support and would remain a threat, so he masterminded his escape. Napoleon behaved exactly as expected, rushing back to power and off to war leading to his ultimate downfall at Waterloo. Talleyrand set the trap and left the door ajar - letting Napoleon's blinding ambition

I'm currently in a ridiculous and drawn out negotiations with my bosses. I have basically been the jack of all trades renaissance substitute - someones sick, rosters are tight, someones on holidays - they call me at high hourly rates. An essential team member is leaving, I am the only person who knows and has experience in the role and they are pleading with me to sign a contract to fill the role. I know they need me, they know they need me (have admitted so) yet I have proved in the past I don't need them.
The longer negotiations are delayed the more bargaining power I have with D-day looming. There first offer was an insult, the second was almost fair but I keep pushing them, throwing out borderline unreasonable and bizarre demands, questions and options - red herrings to delay things. The further along things go the more they are forced to come to me
There is no one else internally who could do the job, it would take far too long to train someone internally let alone an outsider. They need me, but I do not need them = they will pay. Even if negotiations fall through and they say deal is off I will still win in the short term filling the void at my usual steep rate until they train up a replacement (months). I don't want to be there long term, perhaps even medium term, so it is win-win for me and lose-lose whichever way they turn.

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03-28-2012 09:57 PM
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