Post: #26

Currently writing a post on 'natural' test boosters as a follow-up to the one linked above (I'm the author of Thumotic, not Tuth) but here's a sneak preview:

Heavy lifts, sprints, competitive sports, martial arts, not sitting down all day.

Red meat, eggs, leafy greens, zinc, magnesium.

Spending time with and banging different girls, not living with a girl, not having kids.

Mixed evidence on sex/jerking abstinence. Excessive jerking is definitely bad, but no jerking + no sex appears to be bad as well. Self-experimentation suggests sexual 'intermittent fasting' (2-3 days lots of sex, 2-3 days off) is a good T and productivity-boosting/life-enjoyment compromise for me.

I agree with MidNite that sex + orgasm denial boosts T but it's also something I'm not interested in making a regular habit. Midnite, JimNortonFan, et al, serious question: Does it not really, really, suck to bang and not blow? Are you just wired differently from me and most others that orgasm is not an important part of sex? Have you trained yourself to be that way? Drop some knowledge.

Post: #27

My friend increased his T levels from 370 ng/dL to 500+ by using ZMA and Tribulus. Confirmed by blood test.

Post: #28

My apologies Frost, I was at university when I made the post and only vaguely remembered the blog. I look forward to your next post.

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Post: #30

Anyone try an off-label prescription of clomifene? I've seen that one mentioned on the SS forums. Sounds much less complicated than TRT.

Post: #31

(06-26-2013 12:37 PM)MidWest Wrote:  


They sell these pills at walmart.

Six-Star is bogus quality. They sell sugar and dust in their pills. Your better of buying a carton of eggs as it will work better.

Post: #32

I promised a followup and here it is...

About 5 weeks ago I got prescribed Dostinex aka Cabergoline by an endocrinologist, in order to lower my levels of prolactin, a female hormone which was inhibiting my testosterone.

The doctors still have no idea why my prolactin was so high.

However, cabergoline is working great and bringing my libido back. You take it twice a week and after just a couple of weeks, you start to feel better. Supposedly it takes about 3 months to really take full effect.

I'll get my testosterone checked in 7 weeks, but I expect it to be much higher than 150 next time.

Post: #33

I was renting from a 56 year old dude in Cali last week who does webcam porn with 20 year old Colombian chics. He looks to be in pretty good shape, as he has 2 shifts of girls he worked with 7 days a week. When I asked him what he was doing to keep in shape and keep his energy levels up he told me he was shooting testosterone once a week and using HGH growth hormone. He also showed me some of the stuff he uses.

       

Post: #34

Best way to increase test is to inject test... Just saying.

Post: #35

Timely article - has anyone ever tried any of these????

http://theathleticbuild.com/top-5-testos...-boosters/

Post: #36

I'm curious as to why low T levels seem to be a purely American problem? Its seems completely normal over there to have your levels tested, be prescribed pills for it etc. AFAIK this kind of thing is unheard of in the UK.

I'm assuming you get adverts on TV etc regarding T boosters and this raises awareness?

Post: #37

(04-13-2013 09:39 AM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  Raw sex with 18-24 year old women. Not ejaculating during that sex.

easier said than done!

Anyone tried Tongkat Ali?

This product is pricey, but looks to be very potent!

http://tongkatfitness.us/products/tongkat-ali-buy

Post: #38

(01-04-2014 05:37 AM)lush1 Wrote:  I'm curious as to why low T levels seem to be a purely American problem? Its seems completely normal over there to have your levels tested, be prescribed pills for it etc. AFAIK this kind of thing is unheard of in the UK.

I'm assuming you get adverts on TV etc regarding T boosters and this raises awareness?

Actually it's not a purely American problem. In fact, most of the quality research coming out on Low-t issues and the various treatments is coming out of Europe these days. Americans are simply more willing to openly talk about personal health issues than most other people. That's why it seems like more problems affect us.

Post: #39

(01-04-2014 05:37 AM)lush1 Wrote:  I'm curious as to why low T levels seem to be a purely American problem? Its seems completely normal over there to have your levels tested, be prescribed pills for it etc. AFAIK this kind of thing is unheard of in the UK.

I'm assuming you get adverts on TV etc regarding T boosters and this raises awareness?

For me its not even a matter of whether my T levels are low, its more a matter of is there anything I could do that would make them higher.

Post: #40

Eurycoma Longifolia Jack root extract or Super Jack 100 by Now foods - all available on amazon or in your health store. Works withing 6-8 hours. Makes you feel great and gives you a boner!
The problem with injecting T or using gels is that your body will try to neutralize new testosterone and counterbalance it with progesterone. You need to work on reducing your female hormones rather then increasing testosterone. Blood tests and a good doctor can help you,otherwise you are in the dark!

Post: #41

I've tried so many "testosterone boosters" that are sold over-the-counter. Almost all the of products guys have mentioned in this thread, I have tried an entire bottle of at one time or another. I could dig through my Amazon order history and pull up a full list, but suffice it to say I think I've tried a really wide portion of all the hottest items out there.

Nothing did anything for me whatsoever that I could tell a difference from.

The only thing that I've used OTC that has done anything for me was Halodrol, which is essentially a legal, oral anabolic steroid derived from Turinabol. Turinabol was one of the original designer synthetic steroids created by the East Germans for their athletes during the Cold War.

Now you want to talk about gains...That shit was fucking unreal. The side effects, however, were very nasty.

The takeaway from my experiences is that 99% of the OTC T-boosters are bullshit.

Post: #42

(01-04-2014 01:27 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I've tried so many "testosterone boosters" that are sold over-the-counter. Almost all the of products guys have mentioned in this thread, I have tried an entire bottle of at one time or another. I could dig through my Amazon order history and pull up a full list, but suffice it to say I think I've tried a really wide portion of all the hottest items out there.

Nothing did anything for me whatsoever that I could tell a difference from.

The only thing that I've used OTC that has done anything for me was Halodrol, which is essentially a legal, oral anabolic steroid derived from Turinabol. Turinabol was one of the original designer synthetic steroids created by the East Germans for their athletes during the Cold War.

Now you want to talk about gains...That shit was fucking unreal. The side effects, however, were very nasty.

The takeaway from my experiences is that 99% of the OTC T-boosters are bullshit.

What kind of side effects?

Post: #43

Get plenty of sunlight. Especially important for Northern Europeans with pale skin.

Post: #44

I've tried several with no real effects except for one. Its called LongJax MHT with Arginine by BodyTech. Has a blend of Longjax, Tribulus, Horny Goat Weed, L Arginine and MacaPure. I've definitely noticed a difference in the gym and a little boost in energy. Also take Saw Palmetto and Pygeum. I don't think any of the OTC natural boosters are going to give you any dramatic results but combine it with the right diet and exercise and plenty of sleep and it will help.

Post: #45

(01-04-2014 06:00 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 01:27 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I've tried so many "testosterone boosters" that are sold over-the-counter. Almost all the of products guys have mentioned in this thread, I have tried an entire bottle of at one time or another. I could dig through my Amazon order history and pull up a full list, but suffice it to say I think I've tried a really wide portion of all the hottest items out there.

Nothing did anything for me whatsoever that I could tell a difference from.

The only thing that I've used OTC that has done anything for me was Halodrol, which is essentially a legal, oral anabolic steroid derived from Turinabol. Turinabol was one of the original designer synthetic steroids created by the East Germans for their athletes during the Cold War.

Now you want to talk about gains...That shit was fucking unreal. The side effects, however, were very nasty.

The takeaway from my experiences is that 99% of the OTC T-boosters are bullshit.

What kind of side effects?

During the cycle an increase in libido, insane amounts of muscle/strength gain, an increase in erection thickness and unbearable insomnia. One other nasty side effect was really bad back pain which is a common complaint from using orals. I believe it has something to do with your liver.

After the cycle when my T levels came down, I experienced the worst most suicidal depression of my life. It lasted about 4 weeks and I thought about killing myself daily. I also lost all of my strength and muscle gains and was worse off than before I started. Finally, I developed gynocemastia and had to see a doctor to get it sorted out with more hormone drugs. It was a nightmare.

I'm fine now, no gyno or other issues but I am never going back to that stuff.

Post: #46

(01-05-2014 11:44 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 06:00 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 01:27 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I've tried so many "testosterone boosters" that are sold over-the-counter. Almost all the of products guys have mentioned in this thread, I have tried an entire bottle of at one time or another. I could dig through my Amazon order history and pull up a full list, but suffice it to say I think I've tried a really wide portion of all the hottest items out there.

Nothing did anything for me whatsoever that I could tell a difference from.

The only thing that I've used OTC that has done anything for me was Halodrol, which is essentially a legal, oral anabolic steroid derived from Turinabol. Turinabol was one of the original designer synthetic steroids created by the East Germans for their athletes during the Cold War.

Now you want to talk about gains...That shit was fucking unreal. The side effects, however, were very nasty.

The takeaway from my experiences is that 99% of the OTC T-boosters are bullshit.

What kind of side effects?

During the cycle an increase in libido, insane amounts of muscle/strength gain, an increase in erection thickness and unbearable insomnia. One other nasty side effect was really bad back pain which is a common complaint from using orals. I believe it has something to do with your liver.

After the cycle when my T levels came down, I experienced the worst most suicidal depression of my life. It lasted about 4 weeks and I thought about killing myself daily. I also lost all of my strength and muscle gains and was worse off than before I started. Finally, I developed gynocemastia and had to see a doctor to get it sorted out with more hormone drugs. It was a nightmare.

I'm fine now, no gyno or other issues but I am never going back to that stuff.

You didn't do any PCT?

Post: #47

Apparently this Nugenix is the next big thing in OTC Testosterone treaments.... Anyone tried it out?

https://www.nugenix.com/trial/?&step=0&subid=135692867

Post: #48

(03-28-2014 03:03 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Apparently this Nugenix is the next big thing in OTC Testosterone treaments.... Anyone tried it out?

https://www.nugenix.com/trial/?&step=0&subid=135692867

If you go to gnc's website and read the customer reviews, there's plenty of 1 star reviews saying that the product was worthless.

Post: #49

I agree with Will Brink on this. Testosterone boosters are a waste of time. There's some research indicating Maca powder can improve libido, but I don't know of any supplement that has been proven to raise T.

http://musclereview.net/testosterone-boosters-review/

Post: #50

I tried a range of T-boosters a few years ago getting blood work before and after the 8 week trials. My T-levels actually dropped a few points (nothing dramatic), but suffice to say, safe enough evidence to show that they did nothing. All other life variables were kept as consistent as possible.

The only thing I've found to increase T dramatically enough to warrant the "feel effect" is raising training volume dramatically (twice a day training) and increasing calories usually in the form of red meat by about 1500 in addition to what I'm already eating for short bursts of time (usually 2 weeks - after that fat accumulation becomes a problem)