Post: #26

(03-09-2012 02:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Ali,

I think I know what you mean. It's crazy to see that stuff up close and personal. We actually have alot of "slaves" here in the Bay Area. I always read news stories that say we are a global hub for sexual slavery and human trafficing.

Mostly, it's young girls who are smuggled in to the country by the mexican or chinese mafia or some other gang. They speak no English, have no knowledge of the culture, have their ID's and paperwork taken, and all they know is that they owe the gang 20,000 dollars.

They are basically just intimadated, beaten, raped, and tortured into submission. They are told that if they tell the police, their entire family back at home will be raped and tortured.

Also, we have alot of young girls who are "molded" into prostition by their own families. It's always some uncle or step-dad who just got out of prison or a crack head aunt who is taking care of her sisters kids because her sister can't afford to take care of them.

They tell these girls that their body is very valuable and they should never give it away for free. They tell them that rich men will beg them and pay them for their bodies. They tell them that they can make millions of dollars and live the life of their dreams if they just do what they are told. These girls are usually 12, 13, 14, or 15 years old. The next step is to introduce them to "transactional sex" and get them started selling their bodies to men. You might be surprised how easy it is to "brainwash" a small child if you totally control their enviroment.

Is this evil?

I don't really know. Is it evil when a pack of lions comes across a herd of elephants and they attack and kill they baby elephant, because it can't run away, eating it alive?

Is it evil when a bird eats a worm?

Is it evil when Mcdonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, and Coca-Cola sell you food that is literally toxic and poisonous to your body?

What about the cigarette companies? Or the companies who make bullets and guns?

Is any of this evil?

I say it's just "mother nature". It's just life. The strong take from the weak, the smart take from the strong, the powerful take from the powerless. It's true amoung plants, animals, and humans.

I don't like to put morals on mother nature.

But, who knows...?

Life is crazy.

It is evil. It is evil to take advantage of others because of their weaknesses. You may say that this is human nature but human nature is evil.

John locke says that we are born good, i strongly disagree. Just look at animal nature, think of a shark in his embryonic period, they tend to eat one another during this stage (period), they are already evil even before they are born. The same applies with humans, i think we all have enough examples of how little children can be so selfish and show no affection for others.

However my point here is that humans are learners, the biggest difference between us and animals is that we have the power to choose and this power of choice includes choosing to be evil or choose not to be evil.

Do you think the only way humans can progress is by being evil? I dont think so. Although i believe every human is evil to a certain extent, what worries me is how evil some people can get. Damn, wait a minute...was my last comment beta?

Post: #27

(03-09-2012 05:32 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  That's exactly what I am saying. Is it ok to torture innocent people? Of course not. Is it ok to torture a rapist or someone who takes a human against their will and forces them to work in the sex trade? I have no problem with this and would support it.

Oh okay, now I follow you. You were saying that its ok to torture rapists and child molesters. I can't say I disagree with that, especially when there is little kids involved.

Post: #28

(03-09-2012 05:16 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  Yeah I'd definitely agree with most of the opinions here on human trafficking, one of the worst things one person can do to another person. I went and saw that movie "Taken" with Liam Neeson and when he infiltrated the "rape camp" where girls were kept, drugged up and dudes just lined up to run train on them paying some money. It was the only time in my life I was so disgusted I wanted to vomit all over the movie screen and burn the place down, not cool. Sadly like Giovonny said things like this DO exist, most people just don't see it and thus don't realize it as a huge problem.

They make more money on human trafficking in South America than drugs now. It's that big of a problem. And yeah, that movie bothered the fuck outta me too. I got a friend that doesn't exist that's been fighting this shit, and tells me it's a losing battle.

Post: #29

What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil.

The world is not black and white, and I don't belive in intrinsic "rights and wrongs". That is largely cultural and... narrow?

Good discussions going on.

Post: #30

Anyway, as I am a determinist there is no good and evil. They are just concepts to get better through life. Everything is relative said Albert Einstein.

Post: #31

Moral relativism, saying there is no such thing as good and evil is a fucking cop-out and a symptom of what's wrong with Western societies.

Just because something is "natural" or occurs in nature it isn't automatically right. Being social is what separates humans from animals. With being social comes morality. Spare me the sniveling "there's no such thing as good and evil" undergraduate postmodernist pseudo philosophical shit.

I'm with Ali B on this one.

End of rant.

Post: #32

Quote:Oh okay, now I follow you. You were saying that its ok to torture rapists and child molesters. I can't say I disagree with that, especially when there is little kids involved.

Slightly off topic but I just saw on the news that in Moldova child molester and rapists, Modolvan or foreign will be chemically castrated if caught doing that shit on Moldovan soil. Apparently it's became a hot spot for sex child tourism. Immediately human rights groups were outraged saying the offender should have a choice as to whether he's castrated. The worlds fucked up.

Post: #33

(03-09-2012 09:03 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 05:16 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  Yeah I'd definitely agree with most of the opinions here on human trafficking, one of the worst things one person can do to another person. I went and saw that movie "Taken" with Liam Neeson and when he infiltrated the "rape camp" where girls were kept, drugged up and dudes just lined up to run train on them paying some money. It was the only time in my life I was so disgusted I wanted to vomit all over the movie screen and burn the place down, not cool. Sadly like Giovonny said things like this DO exist, most people just don't see it and thus don't realize it as a huge problem.

They make more money on human trafficking in South America than drugs now. It's that big of a problem. And yeah, that movie bothered the fuck outta me too. I got a friend that doesn't exist that's been fighting this shit, and tells me it's a losing battle.

Have either of you ever been to Angeles City in Philippines?

Aloha!

Post: #34

A girl I was fucking called me evil the other day..I just laughed