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Interesting analysis

http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2012/...es-differ/

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One thing the article does is make me want to get back into fight training. I was in such good shape and my confidence was great during that time. And the bruises always make good conversation starters for DHV.

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(02-23-2012 04:40 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Interesting analysis

http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2012/...es-differ/

It's a pretty awesome blog entry. We used to call this kind of thing congruence. Seemingly, kids today aren't interested in "old school" game technology and philosophy though. NLP, routines, indirect v. direct, body language, outer game, the purpose of negging, dhv/dlv...reading Ovid or The Red Queen....pointless for most in 2012. I digress.

The post raises bigger questions.

How do we unleash our own "character"?

The author became an eastern euro "serial killer".
Roosh is becoming a well traveled man of mystery.

What character do you become?
And how do you do it?

Surely, you can't model your life after some strangers....but maybe....just maybe there are things you can pick up.

Perhaps this is man's essential question

WIA.

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Quote:Thus, it’s important to remember that there is no right or wrong style of game. Each guy has to find the style that suits his psychological temperament.

A guy who finds a style of game right for him is indistinguishable from a natural.

Great article and this is the most important part in my opinion.

And, I can speak to this as years ago I started reading the PUA stuff and ended up fucking up my game by trying to do things that didn't work for me. I had a pretty good success rate before that and it has actually taken me quite some time to get it back as my confidence got blown by trying techniques and game that didn't match my style. All I really needed was some fine tuning and instead I changed about everything I did and suffered for it.

Because of that I now shake my head when guys argue that this or that is the way to pick up broads, while they have no real idea what a guys true personality is like. Some guys are loud and/or extroverted while others are not. How is one style of game going to work for both? Simply, it won't.

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This is very true. The best game is the one that fits your style , that you feel confortable with.

Girls who dig me often tell me that I have a inocent , baby face and they love it how I can have this "angel" face while being a "safado" , agressive guy on escalation and in bed.

My physical traits explain why I would fail if I tried to play "Mr Tough guy" or some sort of Silent brute man. Girls woudn't believe me.

I discovered that for me the fastest way into a girls pants is to play the funny / social guy , while droping some baits and "dirty" lines here and there to heat up things. That game fits my style best.

thats why there is no One Size Fits All game style.

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This makes a lot of sense to me. You have to have a style that's congruent with who you are (or at least what you can reasonably pull off). It's also the reason why finding your fishbowl is so important because you have to go where the girls are looking for someone like you. I'm a witty, cheeky bastard who's conversant on a wide range of topics but isn't afraid to get physical and escalate. I would not do well in a venue where girls want a douchebag gorilla caveman, and a Jersey Shore-type dude would get laughed at in the places where I like to hang out.

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I think it's obvious. Look at comedians. I can listen to David Chapelle but I can't stand Dane Cook. But Dane Cook still has a lot of fans.
Can you imagine Dane Cook talking like David Chapelle? (vice versa)
You can watch some funny jokes by a comedian and try to replay in front of your friends. If you don't have the right personality, you will just get WTF? response.
I think a lot of people try to mimic the PUA from youtube video or try to use their line that doesn't fit their personality.
Now at least I can tell, which style will or won't work with my personality/appearance. So I try to digest selectively.

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This has always fascinated me.

Personality is one thing. But how each individual guy's personality reflects in his game is really interesting I think.

I originally started out following other guys moves then overtime as I approached so much and got results my own game started to develop.

My game revolves around my sense of humour.

I am a sarcastic fucker and a bit of a kid, so I often feign surprise and indignation at some comments they might come out with.

My physique is good so I can also turn on the cockiness and accuse girls of checking me out.

With another girl I might bust out foreign language game. A girl told me she wanted me to talk to her in German in bed the other week, WTF?! I've had Spanish, French and Italian but German?

I think it also comes down to being a shapeshifter like Roosh wrote on his blog a while back.

Some girls require different aspects of your game. So you just have to game accordingly, which is what many guys on here preach.

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It's not just about being congruent, you really have to own your shit, whatever it may be.

Think about actors getting cast for different parts. Look at Jimmy Stewart. He wasn't the lover or whatever, but he had a lot of respect for what he was; he had integrity. That respect enabled him to become immensely famous, and we all know that fame is probably the most powerful DHV in our culture.

There are definitely some core tenets of game that cross all styles. I started a thread awhile back in an attempt to parse out a hierarchy of game ideas, and there's a new one floating around here too.

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Maybe it's good to take a "post-modern" look at game. Some guys are really good at being the old-school alhpa, other guys can be more successful running hipster fame game.

I think the player of the future can work in any situation.

Adaptability is supposedly one of the attraction levers for women. But, even before that, I think we should learn how to adapt to different styles so that we can mack it to all women.

Are you a bro? Learn how to talk to hipster girls, and visa versa. Are you a jaded North-Easterner type? It might do you some good to roll with players from Cali.

Get what I mean?

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It almost reminds me of creating a character in a role play game. So you want to be a level four seducer? Your character will need various skills, abilities, and tools. Roll the dice, MoFo.

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Many times I cockblocked myself by talking too much and trying to be funny and witty, my female friends eventually told me that they never saw me as the gregarious comedian type of guy and by trying to be someone that I see on those PUA videos, I appeared as someone who is trying too hard. With a better understanding of how others perceive me, I now run the "James Bond" game by being sexy rather than funny, which is more congruent with my looks and personality. The results have been drastic.

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I like this blog post a lot.
My biggest stumbling block when learning game initially was that I was not inclined towards magic tricks (this was during the Mystery Method days). I found performing for people to be sort of demeaning and a big waste of energy, not to mention the douchey teenage girl attention-whore vibes I'd inevitably put off. "Bang" style game feels more congruent.

I can also definitely relate with the author on being scary. Sometimes I think that when I'm effectively communicating with people I'm actually intimidating the shit out of them, especially at work.

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I think this is why the 'Mystery Method' of Game gets so much flak. I always thought it was intuitive that 'The Mystery Method' was nothing more than the A1-C3 model with bits of your own personality thrown in as DHV's, which is why I found it so bizarre that online people would say 'Magic tricks don't work!1!!'

Well no fucking shit if you're not a magician. Same as using Mystery's 'I protected my stripper girlfriend routine' if you're 5'4 and weigh 100lbs etc.

Your DHV's/routines etc. should come from your own life. We've all done interesting stuff and know interesting things, it is just finding a framework where you can use them and improve on your style.

Game is common sense like choosing a career; it is the same thing. You aren't going to be running effective 'Dangerous Bouncer' game if you're tiny just the same as you're probably not going to be a professional heavyweight boxer.

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When I was starting out, I had a hard time arguing with the "success" the seemed to emanate from the Mystery Method, so I thought magic tricks and all that bullshit was 100% necessary.

Another big gripe of mine was that the MM completely disregarded same-night lays, comparing it to a "fool's mate" in chess and calling it bad game. Bad game is passing up a solid lay invitation to build trust and commitment. Most same night lays (if you honestly want a relationship) can be 'salvaged' no problem if you just call them back.

I live in the midwest where probably 97% of men are regular betas, myself included, and I still don't know any decent naturals.

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(05-17-2012 10:31 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  I always thought it was intuitive that 'The Mystery Method' was nothing more than the A1-C3 model.

I had no idea what the hell a "A1-C3 model" was and looked it up.

Kee-rist, that's over-technicalizing things. And in a bad way. I think his outline is forced and doesn't really fit what really happens.

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(05-17-2012 01:36 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 10:31 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  I always thought it was intuitive that 'The Mystery Method' was nothing more than the A1-C3 model.

I had no idea what the hell a "A1-C3 model" was and looked it up.

Kee-rist, that's over-technicalizing things. And in a bad way. I think his outline is forced and doesn't really fit what really happens.

Fair enough, and I don't mind that view. Just out of interest, what of those things don't you think happen?

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(05-17-2012 03:29 PM)Kitsune Wrote:  >what of those things don't you think happen?

Not that they don't happen, I just think it's a badly structured outline that poorly fits what's happening.

A1 has twice as much going on in it than A2 or A3. While C1, C2 and C3 all together have as much text as A2 or A3.

It's like his powerpoint slide could fit six bullet points, so he just chopped things up and put them in six bullet points, half in A, half in C. Too much got smashed into A1, while C1-C3 is too light. To me, that indicates the six point structure divieded in two isn't a good match and is pinned on. He bent his facts to fit his hypothesized structure. The whole thing is also called the M3 structure. Each letter has 3 bullet points ...whether it needs it or not.

Granted, Eric came up with M3 back in 2007, and it's a small nitpick in a book with a lot of good info if you're willing to take the time to tease it out, but for me personally, Roosh's timeline made more sense the first time I read it.

Post: #20

I think most game, no matter what style, includes plausible deniability. Krauser articulates this very well:

Post: #21

it's seriously just being comfortable with who you are and taking the time to learn social skills. that's it, just total security with your own being. you ARE your style. these things aren't separate. they are who you are. the more you believe who you are the more "congruent" you are, or whatever.