(02-09-2017 12:26 PM)scotian Wrote: ^As I mentioned above, in the five years I've been going to Colombia, I've never been in a nightclub where you can smoke. Whore houses and are another story though, no one gives a fuck inside those.
I went to a soccer match in Bello to see Nacional vs. Medellin. The entire place smelled like one huge bong. The cops were standing around to keep the fans from killing one another, and people were smoking doobs while talking to the police.
But yet I can't drink a Poker in Poblado? Idiodic.
And I agree that this is just a scam to shake down Gringos. All the times I've hung out at Lleras and Poblado, everyone was drinking and being chill. No fights or craziness. I haven't seen how this is some big problem for Medellin.
There are all kinds of new laws that went into effect at the same time with fines assigned to each: peeing in the street (736,000), noise ordinance (328,000), fighting in public (160,000), "exercising" sexual work outside of assigned zones or hours (656,000), disrespecting a police officer (657,000), invading the privacy of others on social networks (325,328), attacking members of LGBT (657,000), etc.
Unfortunately as others have said, it's going to give the police another way to shake down tourists.
(02-09-2017 02:30 PM)newgame Wrote: There are all kinds of new laws that went into effect at the same time with fines assigned to each: peeing in the street (736,000), noise ordinance (328,000), fighting in public (160,000), "exercising" sexual work outside of assigned zones or hours (656,000), disrespecting a police officer (657,000), invading the privacy of others on social networks (325,328), attacking members of LGBT (657,000), etc.
Unfortunately as others have said, it's going to give the police another way to shake down tourists.
What are the chances that the US expat community lobbied for this shit? These sound like lots of petty gringo laws. I've heard many expat Americans say that they don't want other gringos moving to their new country because they come for the freedom, yet they'll immediately start telling their local council what new USA-type regulations they need.
"My neighbor plays his music too loud!"
"I saw someone peeing on the street!"
"These dogs need leashes!"
"I saw teenagers drinking beer!"
"Marijuana is a gateway drug!"
02-09-2017 02:51 PM
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(02-09-2017 02:30 PM)newgame Wrote: There are all kinds of new laws that went into effect at the same time with fines assigned to each: peeing in the street (736,000), noise ordinance (328,000), fighting in public (160,000), "exercising" sexual work outside of assigned zones or hours (656,000), disrespecting a police officer (657,000), invading the privacy of others on social networks (325,328), attacking members of LGBT (657,000), etc.
Unfortunately as others have said, it's going to give the police another way to shake down tourists.
Do you have a link to these laws? I can't seem to find them anywhere. At least not in English.
As a side note, a girl told me yesterday that cops can fine you for excessive PDA in public. Would like to know if that is true as well.
02-09-2017 02:53 PM
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(02-09-2017 02:53 PM)Spidey Wrote: As a side note, a girl told me yesterday that cops can fine you for excessive PDA in public. Would like to know if that is true as well.
They'll have to lock up half of Colombia for PDA.
I hope this shit isn't true. It's not that I don't believe you guys' accounts. It's just that it's nice that I found a place in the world where you can just live without being incessantly accosted by the government for petty shit, and now they're fucking it up.
And if this shit IS true, what a fucking cockup. The US State Department website on Colombia says they have over 50,000 reported scopolamine robberies every year. That's 137 a day. The police don't give one fuck about those, yet now they're patrolling for PDA and beer drinkers?
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Fuck that. Those laws are worse than the US. Definitely could have an effect on good times in Colombia.
I think that Colombia is going the way of Thailand and they want to become a more friendly destination for travelers like nature lovers, familes, etc instead of horny alcoholic poon hounds like us. I actually just met a girl today who told me that her boyfriend left for a 3 week hiking trip to Colombia yesterday, I told her that she may not have a boyfriend when he gets back haha! Anyway, as Colombia has become safer over the years and especially since the peace pact was signed, we will see more and more tourists going down. When I was in Cartagena a couple of weeks ago, the increase in foreigners and especially Americans was noticeable, Medellin too, there's way more travelers in places like Poblado compared to when I first visited in 2012.
This isn't the first time that the country has gone through a campaign of improving civic behavior, if you have 45 minutes, check out this documentary about when a university professor named Antanas Mockus (Latvian parents) was elected as mayor of Bogota in the early 1990s (when it was the world's most dangerous city). He had a very different way of running a city, including using mimes in the city's major intersections to direct traffic and mooning the city council haha. Its a really good doc.
Cali also has imposed major restrictions on alcohol consumption is some areas and saw a drastic reduction in homicides, from the New York Times:
Quote:What Guerrero did to make Cali safer was remarkable because it worked, and because of the novelty of his strategy. Before becoming mayor, Guerrero was not a politician, but a Harvard-trained epidemiologist who was president of the Universidad del Valle in Cali. He set out to prevent murder the way a doctor prevents disease. What public health workers are doing now to stop the spread of Ebola, Guerrero did in Cali to stop the spread of violence.....
Guerrero banned the sale of alcohol after 1 a.m. on weeknights and 2 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. (That 2 a.m. is considered early closing says a lot about the problem.) As he expected, bar owners — and bar patrons — objected. Guerrero asked bars to try it for three months, but success was obvious nearly instantly. The effects were big enough to overcome the objections.
I think that cities like Medellin are trying to clean up to take their international image to the next level but I hope that they don't go too overboard and make it boring. Also, if they're going crack down on things like drinking in public, I hope they also do something about the glue sniffers and bazuco heads down by the Museo de Antioquia.
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I went to a local bar in Cali tonight. Still have a smoking section in the bar. Still have people drinking on the street. I wouldn't be surprised if this law takes years to take effect in most parts of Colombia. I can't even imagine telling the Colombians I know here this, they would probably laugh and say "tranquilo parcero".
This is Colombia after all. Lots of illegal shit goes on every day. They're going to do their best to clean up the tourist areas of major cities, and in the short term, that's probably about it.
I see a great great future for Thailand and Colombia. They already have the highest IQ in the galaxy . America first, Thailand second , Colombia third .
02-10-2017 09:05 AM
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(02-10-2017 09:05 AM)quan82 Wrote: I see a great great future for Thailand and Colombia. They already have the highest IQ in the galaxy . America first, Thailand second , Colombia third .
(02-09-2017 02:51 PM)BrewDog Wrote: What are the chances that the US expat community lobbied for this shit? These sound like lots of petty gringo laws.
Probably zero, you have some ego, Unitedstatesians.
(02-09-2017 02:51 PM)BrewDog Wrote: What are the chances that the US expat community lobbied for this shit? These sound like lots of petty gringo laws.
Probably zero, you have some ego, Unitedstatesians.
There's one that's two words, both begin with the letter 'C' but I'm not telling you so you'll have to guess.
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(02-10-2017 09:05 AM)quan82 Wrote: I see a great great future for Thailand and Colombia. They already have the highest IQ in the galaxy . America first, Thailand second , Colombia third .
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