Post: #126

(03-10-2012 03:53 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 12:50 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  There is so much truth in this post. In fact, I think Toronto is worse than you suggest. For example, pretending not to care doesn't make women interested; you'll be ignored like virtually every other guy.

An observant person coming here could be forgiven for thinking that women here are simply not interested in men. I mean, based on what you'll see walking around here in the daytime (it's better at night, but barely) you'll never know that women are interested in the opposite sex - there is virtually no looking at men. And the thing you have to consider about Toronto is how the lack of interest affects you after being exposed to it on a daily basis on an extended time. You become reluctant to approach -- even look at -- women, and you begin to feel something like guilt for wanting interaction with the opposite sex. Torontokid is spot on with the bolded. (I've shaken this off now, but that was the effect that moving here had on me.)

Also agree about how Toronto represses people with lively personalities.

Yeah man. I haven't even tried to approach the last week I've been here. I'd rather just stay at home, go to the gym, and work on business.
I'm focusing my energies on limiting my time in Toronto to less than a month a year. Money over Toronto bitches any day.

The lack of interest will fuck with your head. I know it fucked with my head and killed my progress at becoming a better man. It took a trip to Atlanta for me to acknowledge my value and accept that I'm a cool, social guy. There's something pathologically wrong with the bitches here if they won't even look at a guy during the daytime. I can see why guys like Roosh become so jaded and cynical while guys like Vicious are way more loving of women.

I'm going to Montreal on Monday where I'll hit it hard(18+ clubs).

Torontokid you are very smart for a young cat and are absolutely right!
I myself returned from Tampa/St Pete's and had young chicks eyeballing me a few times, the social scene in general felt like i was on a different planet.

Kosko-I think I have heard of that loft spot before, do they have Halloween parties there? A co-worker went to the last one and the talent was crazy. Once again Toronto always has those hidden gems that you have to know about.
A friend of mine went to some lounge last week called Pong, apparently you can play table tennis in the spot while listening to house music, nice chicks apparently.

Post: #127

(03-26-2012 11:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 03:53 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 12:50 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  There is so much truth in this post. In fact, I think Toronto is worse than you suggest. For example, pretending not to care doesn't make women interested; you'll be ignored like virtually every other guy.

An observant person coming here could be forgiven for thinking that women here are simply not interested in men. I mean, based on what you'll see walking around here in the daytime (it's better at night, but barely) you'll never know that women are interested in the opposite sex - there is virtually no looking at men. And the thing you have to consider about Toronto is how the lack of interest affects you after being exposed to it on a daily basis on an extended time. You become reluctant to approach -- even look at -- women, and you begin to feel something like guilt for wanting interaction with the opposite sex. Torontokid is spot on with the bolded. (I've shaken this off now, but that was the effect that moving here had on me.)

Also agree about how Toronto represses people with lively personalities.

Yeah man. I haven't even tried to approach the last week I've been here. I'd rather just stay at home, go to the gym, and work on business.
I'm focusing my energies on limiting my time in Toronto to less than a month a year. Money over Toronto bitches any day.

The lack of interest will fuck with your head. I know it fucked with my head and killed my progress at becoming a better man. It took a trip to Atlanta for me to acknowledge my value and accept that I'm a cool, social guy. There's something pathologically wrong with the bitches here if they won't even look at a guy during the daytime. I can see why guys like Roosh become so jaded and cynical while guys like Vicious are way more loving of women.

I'm going to Montreal on Monday where I'll hit it hard(18+ clubs).

Torontokid you are very smart for a young cat and are absolutely right!
I myself returned from Tampa/St Pete's and had young chicks eyeballing me a few times, the social scene in general felt like i was on a different planet.

Kosko-I think I have heard of that loft spot before, do they have Halloween parties there? A co-worker went to the last one and the talent was crazy. Once again Toronto always has those hidden gems that you have to know about.
A friend of mine went to some lounge last week called Pong, apparently you can play table tennis in the spot while listening to house music, nice chicks apparently.

Ya man I think it's the same thing. They did a st patty day party to apparently. I stress for Kats to hit these monthlys hard.

I am slowly starting to crack the science of venues and spots. These monthlys have ' usual suspects' and give opportunities to build up bonds with bartenders and bouncers. I am still having shitty luck closing deals but that's my fault (my game has been wack as of late, loosing patience on prospects) I have been in spots lately swimming with skanks! I hit the ' happy endings ' jam last weekend it was CMW so 4am last call. This shit was in Chinese restaurant in Chinatown. I am telling you.... Skanks every where. I am kicking myself for not being more aggressive with my game because by nights end probably 70% of the broads were getting tongues down their throats! These broads wanted dick! It was full of feminazis those ones I always vouch for. Proof of this ? I nearly had to knock out two females for their attitudes. They get up in your face like men I had to bark at one to ease the fuck back. It was such an awkward venue I did not know how to play it. I had a good time tho music was damn good.

Post: #128

A bit off Topic,

Kosko you're from Alberta? How would a brother do in Edmonton or Calgary if he's used to T.O game his whole life, no thug life. Clean cut, etc. Not asking if it's easier or harder, but on the differences of approach?

Post: #129

You'll clean house! I find Edmonton women more DTF personally as Calgary women are a bit more bland but overall you'll feel like women are being handed to you. I had great success in Alberta and that was prior to me even learning game at all. Don't be *too* clean cut tho yes a lot of goony thugs run around there but the polar opposite are brothers whom are bleached and starched I did notice at times the snow bunnies got board with tiger woods and went looking for reggie bush. - so make sure to keep a bit of en edge, just being from TO can easily give you that edge with zero effort.

I just the PM I'll send a more detailed sheet to you.

Post: #130

(03-27-2012 11:19 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 11:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 03:53 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 12:50 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  There is so much truth in this post. In fact, I think Toronto is worse than you suggest. For example, pretending not to care doesn't make women interested; you'll be ignored like virtually every other guy.

An observant person coming here could be forgiven for thinking that women here are simply not interested in men. I mean, based on what you'll see walking around here in the daytime (it's better at night, but barely) you'll never know that women are interested in the opposite sex - there is virtually no looking at men. And the thing you have to consider about Toronto is how the lack of interest affects you after being exposed to it on a daily basis on an extended time. You become reluctant to approach -- even look at -- women, and you begin to feel something like guilt for wanting interaction with the opposite sex. Torontokid is spot on with the bolded. (I've shaken this off now, but that was the effect that moving here had on me.)

Also agree about how Toronto represses people with lively personalities.

Yeah man. I haven't even tried to approach the last week I've been here. I'd rather just stay at home, go to the gym, and work on business.
I'm focusing my energies on limiting my time in Toronto to less than a month a year. Money over Toronto bitches any day.

The lack of interest will fuck with your head. I know it fucked with my head and killed my progress at becoming a better man. It took a trip to Atlanta for me to acknowledge my value and accept that I'm a cool, social guy. There's something pathologically wrong with the bitches here if they won't even look at a guy during the daytime. I can see why guys like Roosh become so jaded and cynical while guys like Vicious are way more loving of women.

I'm going to Montreal on Monday where I'll hit it hard(18+ clubs).

Torontokid you are very smart for a young cat and are absolutely right!
I myself returned from Tampa/St Pete's and had young chicks eyeballing me a few times, the social scene in general felt like i was on a different planet.

Kosko-I think I have heard of that loft spot before, do they have Halloween parties there? A co-worker went to the last one and the talent was crazy. Once again Toronto always has those hidden gems that you have to know about.
A friend of mine went to some lounge last week called Pong, apparently you can play table tennis in the spot while listening to house music, nice chicks apparently.

Ya man I think it's the same thing. They did a st patty day party to apparently. I stress for Kats to hit these monthlys hard.

I am slowly starting to crack the science of venues and spots. These monthlys have ' usual suspects' and give opportunities to build up bonds with bartenders and bouncers. I am still having shitty luck closing deals but that's my fault (my game has been wack as of late, loosing patience on prospects) I have been in spots lately swimming with skanks! I hit the ' happy endings ' jam last weekend it was CMW so 4am last call. This shit was in Chinese restaurant in Chinatown. I am telling you.... Skanks every where. I am kicking myself for not being more aggressive with my game because by nights end probably 70% of the broads were getting tongues down their throats! These broads wanted dick! It was full of feminazis those ones I always vouch for. Proof of this ? I nearly had to knock out two females for their attitudes. They get up in your face like men I had to bark at one to ease the fuck back. It was such an awkward venue I did not know how to play it. I had a good time tho music was damn good.

Kosko - I assume you are a downtown cat!
I would love to check out different venues downtown, I will PM you!

I have cousins in Edmonton, they have invited me out there for years.
Alberta rocks from what I hear!

Post: #131

Been to both cities and am currently in NY for another 3 days.

I've found women and people in general are very friendly in NY, I always mentioned that "I'm not from here" and the Australian accent always worked wonders, you can get away with a lot by just mentioning you're just visiting. Too bad I'm not 21 though =/ I wasn't really able to check out the nightlife.

Since theres so many different types of people in NY you'll almost you'll be guaranteed to find women that fancy you.

Oh and have fun trying to live in Manhattan, unless you want to live in the boroughs you'll need a fair bit of cash to live in a decent part of Manhattan.

and yeah Sex and the city has had a bit of an influence on the women in NY too.

Post: #132

UnW your comment makes me want to go to NY after my last very brief time there. Also seeing the demographics (below) makes me want to check it out again. It'll probably suck going it alone (though I've read it is normal for New Yorkers to do tons of things alone), plus I don't do club type scenes at my age. Definitely will be trying to check out the US more when I come back from a trip.

Unmarried:
NYC 743k men:729k women;469 sq miles (age 20-34)

Post: #133

I searched the whole forum, but couldn't find any Data Sheets on Toronto, not that i need cuz i live here, it just goes to show that its pointless to make one.

Post: #134

Anybody see the article on Metro today about Toronto having the highest number of gold diggers per capita in Canada, ahead of Calgary or Vancouver?

Post: #135

I'm guessing that was in the Sun or some urban newspaper. If the Star or Globe and Mail published that I would be shocked. But thats just common sense. Toronto is where the most money is so of course the most gold diggers will be their. I am still a little surprised that an article on that was published in the newspaper...hopefully the person who wrote the article didn't put their name on it.

Post: #136

(04-05-2012 12:42 AM)torontokid Wrote:  Anybody see the article on Metro today about Toronto having the highest number of gold diggers per capita in Canada, ahead of Calgary or Vancouver?

Below is a link to the article:

metronews.ca/news/toronto/48262/toronto-top-of-the-chart-for-sugar-daddies/

Post: #137

That's funny I would of guessed Vancouver. Not a shock tho as you see it all the time downtown. Odd looking couples with the dude just leaking
Money all around.

Post: #138

I glad I found this thread -- and it confirms I am not crazy for thinking TO women are messed up -- I really need to get out of this hell hole -- before my soul is destroyed.

Post: #139

I think I have NYC down. I'm prepared to take the Toronto vs NYC challenge.

What area in Toronto is the best to stay with pulling in mind?

Post: #140

Really interesting to see all of this. By way of background, I was raised in Toronto but went to university in the UK. I've partied in most Canadian university towns.

My experience has been that I can get with WAY hotter women in Toronto than in London (UK), and WAY more. However, Montreal is an even better city for this, a mecca for men with game. Honest to god, I was in Montreal this past week and think I must have made out with something like 20 girls in 6 nights and fucked for five of the six nights (it was for McGill Carnival, an especially fucked up week of sex and drinking which I should probably make a post on at some point). On the whole, UK women are less attractive than Canadian women.

Be that as it may, I've lately been intimidated by the Toronto nightlife. I find clubbing in Toronto to be overly expensive, with serious competition from older, better looking, better dressed men with more money to blow. I hate buying drinks for girls which sometimes puts me at a disadvantage.

I've only been to NYC for a weekend this past August, but found it to be similar to Toronto in that respect.

If you're planning a big trip go to Montreal instead of either cities, and thank me later.

Post: #141

(01-20-2014 03:18 PM)Vicious Wrote:  I think I have NYC down. I'm prepared to take the Toronto vs NYC challenge.

What area in Toronto is the best to stay with pulling in mind?

King St W between Spadina and Bathurst.

Good location is the Thompson Hotel.

These girls I am sure have never met a Swede before, so should be a good time.

Post: #142

(01-20-2014 03:18 PM)Vicious Wrote:  I think I have NYC down. I'm prepared to take the Toronto vs NYC challenge.

What area in Toronto is the best to stay with pulling in mind?

When are you coming?

Depends on style and time of year.

Spadina and Bloor is a good place for late night pulls from streetgame at 2-3:30 but you need logistics and good closing game(Thurs-Sats). Its college aged girls and after 2 am you'll see pairs or individual ones walking home from the bar or getting food. Have a close by pad, approach every single group and invite them to an afterparty. However its need to be relatively warm(30F+), if its too cold you're going to end up with a cold and the girls will be taking taxis.

That area is also close enough to all the other nightlife areas that its a 10$ cab back to your place from them.

If anything, you could hit up the more mature scene(KSW) from 11-2, cab it back to Spadina and Bloor and then streetgame there. KSW is much harder to streetgame than Spadina-Bloor, Ossington doesn't have the same volume(if you're a mature dude you should do well there).

Post: #143

(01-20-2014 04:24 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 03:18 PM)Vicious Wrote:  I think I have NYC down. I'm prepared to take the Toronto vs NYC challenge.

What area in Toronto is the best to stay with pulling in mind?

When are you coming?

Depends on style and time of year.

Spadina and Bloor is a good place for late night pulls from streetgame at 2-3:30 but you need logistics and good closing game(Thurs-Sats). Its college aged girls and after 2 am you'll see pairs or individual ones walking home from the bar or getting food. Have a close by pad, approach every single group and invite them to an afterparty. However its need to be relatively warm(30F+), if its too cold you're going to end up with a cold and the girls will be taking taxis.

That area is also close enough to all the other nightlife areas that its a 10$ cab back to your place from them.

If anything, you could hit up the more mature scene(KSW) from 11-2, cab it back to Spadina and Bloor and then streetgame there. KSW is much harder to streetgame than Spadina-Bloor, Ossington doesn't have the same volume(if you're a mature dude you should do well there).

@ Torontokid - no offense but this is horrible advice.
Are you suggesting that he hang out at the maddy as well! lol
What the hell is MSW?

The best bars/clubs are on King St West or pretty close by.

Post: #144

You guys are confusing me here...

If I'd go it'd be Easter and the week after (April 17th-26th) provided this would be a time to go.

For me a good area on where to live that fits my lifestyle is to check out on Hotels.com for a city where the 5* hotels are at. For the five 5* hotels in Toronto these are grouped either around the Northwestern area of the financial district or by Frank Stollery Parkette. This is however not a foolproof method but I roll suited and at high-end places which tend to gravitate around each other.

Thus King Street West that runs partially through the financial district looks good. Bloor seems to be one massive street running through all of town.

Post: #145

(01-20-2014 04:39 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 04:24 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 03:18 PM)Vicious Wrote:  I think I have NYC down. I'm prepared to take the Toronto vs NYC challenge.

What area in Toronto is the best to stay with pulling in mind?

When are you coming?

Depends on style and time of year.

Spadina and Bloor is a good place for late night pulls from streetgame at 2-3:30 but you need logistics and good closing game(Thurs-Sats). Its college aged girls and after 2 am you'll see pairs or individual ones walking home from the bar or getting food. Have a close by pad, approach every single group and invite them to an afterparty. However its need to be relatively warm(30F+), if its too cold you're going to end up with a cold and the girls will be taking taxis.

That area is also close enough to all the other nightlife areas that its a 10$ cab back to your place from them.

If anything, you could hit up the more mature scene(KSW) from 11-2, cab it back to Spadina and Bloor and then streetgame there. KSW is much harder to streetgame than Spadina-Bloor, Ossington doesn't have the same volume(if you're a mature dude you should do well there).

@ Torontokid - no offense but this is horrible advice.
Are you suggesting that he hang out at the maddy as well! lol
What the hell is MSW?

The best bars/clubs are on King St West or pretty close by.

KSW = King street West.

As I said he can stay on King Street West till around 2ish, and if he's not feeling it there and doesn't have a prospect to cab it to Spadina and Bloor and hit up the streets there.

Thats In my personal opinion where he'd have the most chance pull. Sure you get way hotter girls on King Street but are they easy to pull?

Post: #146

@Vicious - King St W is your best option as I know you like high end spots.
Thompson Hotel is a very good location with decent bars inside the hotel, there are also good spots around the corner on King.
St Germain is also another great hotel and across the street is a great spot called Maison.
You want to be situated between these two hotels.
Forget Bloor st.

Post: #147

(01-20-2014 05:31 PM)Vicious Wrote:  You guys are confusing me here...

If I'd go it'd be Easter and the week after (April 17th-26th) provided this would be a time to go.

For me a good area on where to live that fits my lifestyle is to check out on Hotels.com for a city where the 5* hotels are at. For the five 5* hotels in Toronto these are grouped either around the Northwestern area of the financial district or by Frank Stollery Parkette. This is however not a foolproof method but I roll suited and at high-end places which tend to gravitate around each other.

Thus King Street West that runs partially through the financial district looks good. Bloor seems to be one massive street running through all of town.

Bloor Street is college aged bars and such.

As I said the main appeal is the streetgame after 2 am because there are so many girls walking home alone or in pairs.

Anyways, you're looking for high end so I'd recommend King Street West with the caveat that its a lot harder(for me at least). That's where the bitchiest girls are. Streetgame there is difficult IMO unless you run into tourists or girls from out of town. Local girls around that area seem to be super bitchy.

But then again you're a different age than me so you will probably have a different experience.

In any case let me know when you're in town and we'll go out.

I would go to Toronto first week of May as thats when exams will be done and a lot of the hot girls will be back from school.

Post: #148

KSW it is.

My dates are fairly locked. I 'd have to go the dates indicated or the following week (April 25th- May 3rd), does this mean most girls are locked up with exams this week?

Post: #149

@ Vicious - your dates in April will be fine. Toronto is not a university town, it is the fourth largest city in North America. The weather will be ok, meaning there will be no snow on the ground.

As I am sure you are aware, you might want to check Airbnb for condos for rent. There will be loads I am sure but the two hotels I mentioned are probably your best bet.

Another tip for you is that alot of out of towners stay at the Hyatt on King, its not bad location wise but I don't know if it will be considered a 5 star plus hotel. I have ran into alot of girls who stay there for the weekend albeit 5 or more in a room.

OneKingWest will probably have places for rent, it is not a bad location right in the heart of the financial district. You will see some talent in the daytime if your into daygaming.

I will pm you later.

Post: #150

(01-20-2014 06:15 PM)Vicious Wrote:  KSW it is.

My dates are fairly locked. I 'd have to go the dates indicated or the following week (April 25th- May 3rd), does this mean most girls are locked up with exams this week?

25th to May 3rd should be good.