Just tell her you're on a low-fattie diet.

(03-31-2015 05:59 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Having this recurrent problem for a while, I'm finally decided to look at it.

I'm situational alpha at both martial arts and dance class. Girls love practicing with me and I also spit game at them. Often, I try to isolate girls that show IOIs and try to escalate. They either don't let me or flake. I next them. Then, as I stopped talking to them and train with them, they start making this baby face and tell me "You didn't work with me today!/why are you not working with me today!"

I would then re-engage and try to isolate/escalate again. Again no luck. I next them for good for being time wasters. They come nagging again... Happen like every class now, it's annoying.

Ya all think my assertion is correct that these are simply time wasters who want to use me for my skills? Or should I have kept on gaming?

I have a policy for girls like this that works okay:

when they come back all flirty and acting interested...go for the escalate/makeout/bang.

Give them two shots. That is they come once and reject you. Let them come again....try again....and if they reject you here you will change your strategy if they approach again;

On the third time and every subsequent time they come up to you , do some small talk for a minute or two...then say " well, good to see you...I've got to finish this ( thing you're doing) or I've got to run, I've got an appointment ( let them know you're busy and can't sit around and talk to them).

Then say " give me a call/ text if you want to hangout sometime, Bye." and walk off with a smile.

You're leaving the door open. If they actually call or text you, they're definitely down. If they don't call, no more BS cock teases and time wasting.

You're also sparing your ego by no longer getting "rejected" over and over and leaving the ball in her court.

I haven't said a word to my ex of 2 years for 2 months now. I am seeing her more and more in the halls at work.. Should I

1) continue pretending like she doesn't exist. I'm not even looking at her when she is smiling for whatever right at me
2) be cordial and say hi/or smile

I want to pump and dump her eventually but bc she broke it off with me, I can't initiate contact ie ask to catch up or whatever.

(04-03-2015 01:38 PM)-g- Wrote:  I haven't said a word to my ex of 2 years for 2 months now. I am seeing her more and more in the halls at work.. Should I

1) continue pretending like she doesn't exist. I'm not even looking at her when she is smiling for whatever right at me
2) be cordial and say hi/or smile

I want to pump and dump her eventually but bc she broke it off with me, I can't initiate contact ie ask to catch up or whatever.

Since it's a work situation I would keep it strictly professional and just say hi like you would any other co worker. In the mean time follow the golden rule advice on the forum. Go out, meet new women, bang as many as you can and don't be afraid to strategically "leak" a few details here and there about how much you've been dating and meeting women. If your ex is at all interested she will begin to reach out to you, especially after hearing about how well you've moved on and how in demand you now are with other women. Let her chase you.

(04-03-2015 01:55 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 01:38 PM)-g- Wrote:  I haven't said a word to my ex of 2 years for 2 months now. I am seeing her more and more in the halls at work.. Should I

1) continue pretending like she doesn't exist. I'm not even looking at her when she is smiling for whatever right at me
2) be cordial and say hi/or smile

I want to pump and dump her eventually but bc she broke it off with me, I can't initiate contact ie ask to catch up or whatever.

Since it's a work situation I would keep it strictly professional and just say hi like you would any other co worker. In the mean time follow the golden rule advice on the forum. Go out, meet new women, bang as many as you can and don't be afraid to strategically "leak" a few details here and there about how much you've been dating and meeting women. If your ex is at all interested she will begin to reach out to you, especially after hearing about how well you've moved on and how in demand you now are with other women. Let her chase you.

OK, I'll stop acting like she doesn't exist when I walk by her. I have followed the rule and am going on dates again, banged a few chicks but I don't know how to leak info to her bc I am not really on Facebook nor friends with her friends. I have been hitting the gym like an animal and am always in a great mood in the office. I am not going to chase her or ask her to do something, that wouldn't be in my best interests and give her all the power.

A chick I've been fucking off and on for a while tried to get sassy and send me a crappy Marilyn Monroe meme. I responded with humor and derision.
   

(04-03-2015 10:59 PM)vinman Wrote:  A chick I've been fucking off and on for a while tried to get sassy and send me a crappy Marilyn Monroe meme. I responded with humor and derision.

I found this out the other day but if you go to gify.com on your phone you can copy and paste gifs to text messages. This might come in handy for future amusement.

I don't know what's been going on with me lately but I have been passing up game and women.

Before I used to roll out solo, game nonstop and just really put in work. Now it feels like the novelty has worn off.

I see women and I don't put them on that pedestal I once did. One night stands don't get me excited like they used to. I definitely enjoy quality women over quantity these days but getting quality is a challenge on its own.

I'm not sure what is going on with me but it has driven me into a short depression.

Can't say it's porn, I cut it off drastically the last 2 years. My gym routine is stronger than ever and I'm hitting it hard daily.
Any players experience the same thing?
Maybe my brain feels like it's conquered this chapter in my life but lately I'm more comfortable making a nice dinner and reading a book at home. Turning 28 this year.

I'm 28 and I'm stronger than ever. Went out last night with my friend (guy) and his cousin (never met her, HB9) and I was hitting on other girls. It made her wet when I started to kiss some girl after 5 mins. 30 mins later I was kissing the cousin.

My advice is that it's just a phase. Push yourself to do something new that's super challenging. I feel like I have conquered some aspects if my life but I still enjoy it.

"In life, we must choose between boredom and suffering." Heard that on the Sopranos. You can live a mundane life or perservere through hard times and live life to the fullest.

Last night consisted of upstaging the band, had strippers sitting in my lap and taking pics, damn every girl in the place trying to qualify, jealous husbands, and a bartender following me out to get in the cab. My phone is blowing up right now. Ali B is fucking back!

(04-04-2015 09:25 AM)-g- Wrote:  I'm 28 and I'm stronger than ever. Went out last night with my friend (guy) and his cousin (never met her, HB9) and I was hitting on other girls. It made her wet when I started to kiss some girl after 5 mins. 30 mins later I was kissing the cousin.

It's obviously annoying getting the makeout but with no bang. I've tried changing my night game to where I avoid the kiss until getting more bang ready seclusion like many RVFers suggest though that strategy has proven to be more counter productive.

What you alluded to however is a more of an old school aggressive tactic I used effectively in the past. Make outs (or make out attempts) get the hamster spinning either way & build this thing called "momentum." A random chick you kiss can randomly disappear (which obviously sucks), but that confidence boost carries over into the remainder of the night. You made a statement by kissing that first chick within 5 minutes improving your prospects rest of that evening. What's also important is that you made a move that felt most natural to you.

This quote from a friend describes one mishap in my short gaming sessions last night:

"Good to know more strategy and it adds to our repertoire of game weapons, but sometimes it's good to go for the 'feel' aspect"

If you want the best and most attractive black women you need to head to a large black church

80% of the attendees are female
At least 40% of those are 18-30

20% of the attendees are men
18-35 probably make up 5%
2-3% of those come suited up while the rest don't. Most men you see suited up will be ushes, deacons, etc etc.

Shields are at there lowest point during this time as well. After service many will just wait around and chat. Perfect time to introduce and isolate. Best of all is during service as you just need to scan the church to find an open seat next to a hottie. That means you get an hour worth of time to get the number.

The bigger the church the more you can date around. You will get snuffed out quickly if it's a smaller congregation

Any and all ethnicities are welcome.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

Edit: did I just write this on Easter Sunday??? FML I'm going to hell

(04-04-2015 05:33 AM)xxMarco Wrote:  I don't know what's been going on with me lately but I have been passing up game and women.

Before I used to roll out solo, game nonstop and just really put in work. Now it feels like the novelty has worn off.

I see women and I don't put them on that pedestal I once did. One night stands don't get me excited like they used to. I definitely enjoy quality women over quantity these days but getting quality is a challenge on its own.

I'm not sure what is going on with me but it has driven me into a short depression.

Can't say it's porn, I cut it off drastically the last 2 years. My gym routine is stronger than ever and I'm hitting it hard daily.
Any players experience the same thing?
Maybe my brain feels like it's conquered this chapter in my life but lately I'm more comfortable making a nice dinner and reading a book at home. Turning 28 this year.

It's normal.
You only really start to miss it when you're in an LTR and the funky bitch is getting on your god damned nerves.

Another cruel joke
- you're not happy by your lonesome
- you're not happy with new poon every few days
- your harem bores you
- you're not happy with a fine ass bitch that loves the shit out of you

Happiness doesn't come from broads.

WIA

Man flaking is off the chart this week. Me and another RVF buddy got stood up last minutes at each of our date. Went to date, texted bitch THEN she said she can't come because her uncle is home



Good thing it's my usual venue so I proceeded as usual without her.

Last minute flaking is horribly rude. BItches have no decency these days. And you can't call her on it. Or can you...

I'm the one who advocates not calling girls out but fuck this shit, I might just gonna blow up at some girl next time she flakes.

(04-03-2015 12:05 PM)robreke Wrote:  Then say " give me a call/ text if you want to hangout sometime, Bye." and walk off with a smile.

You're leaving the door open. If they actually call or text you, they're definitely down. If they don't call, no more BS cock teases and time wasting.

You're also sparing your ego by no longer getting "rejected" over and over and leaving the ball in her court.

I like this, more because it's pretty low-key and social smart. You don't want to be rude or play sassy or anything in your social circle.

I'm pretty sure no girl will ever call/text to hang out though. I've found that those who do want to do so, they would have done so already and don't pull this attention whoring shit.

Have you had girls contacting you using this strategy?

On another note, I'm starting to lean towards Travesty's philosophy. It's better to up your SMV value and niche game, and target yes girls rather than wasting time on cold "maybe" girls.

I've found that if a girl is interested, it's pretty damn fucking clear. Things would be easy. She would show up on time or appologize like mad if late. Let you escalate. Let you take her home.

On the other hand, a difficult girl stays difficult. Maybe that's what distinguish really good game? Ability to convert maybe into yes?

I'm also having another theory. Before a girl go out/meet you, she already has a threshold of how far she is willing to go with you. Good game allow you to reach that threshold. Kinda like "a girl decide if she's gonna sleep with a guy in the first 3 min" thing. So for instance, you go for first date with a chick, and she already likes you and already contemplated sleeping with you. You spit good game and take her home. Or you spit bad game and can't even make out.

Conversely, chick go out but decide (not the "we're not having sex tonight" decide) that a makeout is the furthest she would be willing to go, no matter how much she likes you. Then you will most likely just get the makeout. With exceptional game you take her home but get buyer's remorse.

(04-04-2015 05:33 AM)xxMarco Wrote:  I don't know what's been going on with me lately but I have been passing up game and women.

Before I used to roll out solo, game nonstop and just really put in work. Now it feels like the novelty has worn off.

I see women and I don't put them on that pedestal I once did. One night stands don't get me excited like they used to. I definitely enjoy quality women over quantity these days but getting quality is a challenge on its own.

I'm not sure what is going on with me but it has driven me into a short depression.

Can't say it's porn, I cut it off drastically the last 2 years. My gym routine is stronger than ever and I'm hitting it hard daily.
Any players experience the same thing?
Maybe my brain feels like it's conquered this chapter in my life but lately I'm more comfortable making a nice dinner and reading a book at home. Turning 28 this year.

Sometimes it's best to just drop out of it for a while.. and month, maybe two, even a season or half a year. Let the whole thing reset. See who calls and texts, and who doesn't in the aftermath.

Keep the ones around who show consistency in communication and start a new plan for your life. I'm burnt out too. My priorities are shifting due to necessity and other interests. Down bitches will stick through all that. Most won't, they're too selfish.

Anyone got any experience with muslim girls?

I matched with this cute Tanzanian muslim chick on OKC and went for a date with her the other day after radio silencing her shit tests until she gave me her number. She doesn't wear a headscarf (although her 3 sisters do apparently) or dress conservatively but she doesn't drink either. Although she was still OK with meeting a bar and for me to have a drink.
She's got a lip and eyebrow piercing which I normally see as a slut tell but she doesn't give off that vibe. We made out at the end of our date and she is keen to see me again but I'm just wondering if she'll never give up the bang and therefore if it's worth pursuing?

Why when I hit quote it doesn't insert the quoted message?

Anyway, in response to Dalaram1991:

What you describe is a paradigm where the girl is dominant and the man is submissive and the girl lets her man "top" her in a dominant pose while still maintaining control over him.

My ex and I had a similar sort of arrangement and it was always contentious who was in control but after we broke up we had the opportunity to properly explore it without the pressure of relationship power balance.

Personally I like the challenge of taming a wild and headstrong mare, so to speak, rather than mounting a docile alternative.

Went out to a beer festival on Saturday with a girl and her fat friend. They were going together already and the HB invited me when we were on a date.

I made out with the HB before the outting and the day friend was nice but obv in my fucking
way. The fat one made us 3 wait in line for an hour so she could get food lol... Not kidding. So we had 2 hours left to get drunk and I got the job done. Afterwards the 3 of us went back to her house, I wish the fatty had left but of course she had to cock block the fuck out of
me. Fatty said the 2 of them had a party to go to, some birthday party for some chick and I gracefully made my exit saying I have to go to a party to... Which I did.

I made the HB walk me to my car and we went at it (making out and groping). I said lets cook dinner together to night and she gave me a
playful "we'll see".

I texted "Just napped for like 4 hours, can't believe it's 11 lol. Time to get ready how's the party". No response. I'll text her in a few days and go for a restart text I guess, can't hurt as we both had a good time. I get the feeling the cock block was planned in advance by the fatty as she is jealous and prob has never had a dick. The house party went well but I was too hung over to really have fun. I got some girls number but she was too needy so I'll likely never call.

Been keeping calm for the last days due to heavy work, but next week, gotta go around my harem and do some daygaming. Two girls just dropped, so I will replace them.

redacted

Was walking into the grocery store when I got bum rushed by a cute Latina pimping phone flyers.

Her: Excuse me sir, do you have a cell phone?

Me: No, I threw it in the river.

Her: Nuh huh, did you really?

Me: Yeah, got tired of flaquitas like you calling all the damn time. *keeps walking*

Her:


I nuked her by accident but just wanted to see the reaction. She'll be there again.


Walking out of the store there was another flaquita sitting in her car with her door open:

Her: Hey you wouldn't happen to have a lighter on you would you?

Me: It depends, do you have a name?

Her: Rosa.

Me: *lights cigarette*

Her: I really like those Ray Bans, btw.

Me: I like your hair.

That brought her back from returning to the car. We chatted a couple minutes and I got her #. Her cigarette probably had 2 puffs taken off before it'd been put out on the pavement with a side-to-side motion. I'm certain she'd lit it, saw me, then snuffed it out for an opener. I love it when they do all the work.


I really botched the 1st conversation as I was not prepared and in a pissy mood. It did however put me into the zone. It was a precurser to the 2nd girl, and I was ready. My mind's been on talking to girls at night, and I don't like to game 24/7. It's not healthy on many levels. However, I'm seeing more interest during the daytime and will switch over starting tomorrow.

There's still some elements of my game off. I've lost 10+ lbs and am back in a competitive weight class. But for some reason I'm not projecting as I speak and body language isn't fluid as it should. My whole daygame edge is off too. I keep getting blindsided with openers and blow them off. Will reflect on this tonight and start fresh tomorrow.

(04-04-2015 05:33 AM)xxMarco Wrote:  I don't know what's been going on with me lately but I have been passing up game and women.

Before I used to roll out solo, game nonstop and just really put in work. Now it feels like the novelty has worn off.

I see women and I don't put them on that pedestal I once did. One night stands don't get me excited like they used to. I definitely enjoy quality women over quantity these days but getting quality is a challenge on its own.

I'm not sure what is going on with me but it has driven me into a short depression.

Can't say it's porn, I cut it off drastically the last 2 years. My gym routine is stronger than ever and I'm hitting it hard daily.
Any players experience the same thing?
Maybe my brain feels like it's conquered this chapter in my life but lately I'm more comfortable making a nice dinner and reading a book at home. Turning 28 this year.

Ditto on everything, man.

Though I'll be getting back into it very soon. The weather is finally warming up and I'm planning a trip.

(04-03-2015 10:46 AM)wagmydog Wrote:  This chick that I've been banging (early 20's solid 8) tells me that she really wants to try going to a sex party. Says "her friend" went to one of those with a bf and that it was a lot of fun, with people fucking on couches in the venue and swapping partners. Sounds like something from Kubrick's eyes wide shut shit, plus I always thought these things tend to attract older swinger type crowd. I'm in a large city in the States but still concerned I might run into someone I know. If I do decide to try it, I'd probably do it in another city. So I'm curious if any of you guys went to one of these parties and what your experience has been like?

I went to one last halloween in a very hippy-progressive US city. This was a no alcohol event, advertised as vegan/ spiritual friendly.

It was one of the most surreal experiences of my life, and I can't really describe the strangeness of it all... it felt like witnessing a weird french erotic movie spontaneously being enacted before my eyes.

Basically: After dancing around a bonfire and a series of burlesque dancing and singing by people dressed up as a variety of animals, creatures, and greco-roman gods, the upstairs of the house became an orgy of sorts, but really more couples banging and thirsty dudes watching. The downstairs was normalish, rooms for card games, dancing, and green tea tincture shots. Almost everyone was 20's-30's, with a few older dom type couples.

I ended up getting a massage train going in one of the downstairs rooms with three girls, which ended up turning into a brief 4-way make out, until a group of thirsty dudes busted in and killed it. There is no isolation at sex parties, rules of the game apparently.

I've though about writing up my experience sometime, though where it fits in the annals of game theory has and still does escape me.

Would I do it again? Probably not, though it was a halloween that I shall remember for a while.

Couple of interesting points of interest for me this week:

- Interesting thing that happened to me lately that came across as a DHV. I was paying for something while next to a girl and accidentally gave the cashier pesos (from a recent mexico trip) by mistake. I could tell the girl next to me was suddenly a little interested. A fun way to display travel DHV and transition into story telling

- Many posters have mentioned this many times, but your phone can be your best buddy during solo day gaming. The main thing for me has been to understand how to day game w/o being creepy in a public env. One must have a purpose to diffuse that vibe. if you want to stop for a second to figure out how to open or analyze a situation your phone is a friend. Also to demonstrate DHV but thats already been covered. I know many people preach about acting on instinct...and I subscribe..but I found thinking just a bit about how the strategy will be executed has lowered the rejection rate.

Finally - over the past month I've thought about the wins vs the loses and realized, obviously, frame and confidence are kings, but the 3 things that lead to success were:
- being decisive
- owning the frame
- closing hard

Basically you call the shots from open to close. I know its obvious, but during day game as energy levels begin to get low, you tend to step out of the dominant frame.

It's funny how attractive brunettes become when your LTR is blonde.

It's also funny how an LTR will absolutely confirm almost every red pill teaching on the true nature of women in the most apparent way.