Post: #1

My game is slowly improving and I want to start documenting my thoughts, experiences and get some feedback from others on this forum. For those wondering I'm still a virgin but I'm working hard at my game.

This will be my first thought.

I've come to the realization that I need to change the way I game online. I have had very, very little success online especially with okcupid and I think I understand why. I use my humor way too often and because I use my humour a lot and try to get a girl laughing my attempts come off as try hard. Which is going to attract nobody, instead I should make my humor a luxury instead of a commodity essential treating women like a dog. If she does something cool I will reward her and if she doesn't I won't reward her. This will establish my frame and a girl will know exactly whats up. She will know what I expect and if she doesn't live up to my expectations she won't win. With that being said, I need to realize that a girls job is to withhold sex to only the most outstanding males. Which makes sense from a biology standpoint, if she gets pregnant she has a huge commitment and wouldn't want to get impregnated by men with no balls or anything going for them.

My goal should be, how can I have sex with this girl and what will it take to achieve this? Does messaging her funny, witty comments make her closer or further from giving me what I want? I'm not trying to get a girl to laugh, I'm trying to fuck her and she is going to do everything possible to resist my advances unless she's a slut which then she's accepted it. This is frustrating because essentially I'm digging in the dark, I don't really know what or where I'm going.

I've gotten a number from tinder with this

white wine or red?
bar club lounge or cafe
rock edm hip hop or other
then whatever genre she picks I give three sub genres and what she likes. Then I send a message telling her that she answered the questionnaire right and that I need her number to give her the prize.

That's my first tinder number since summer. I'm going to try this some more and see what comes of it.

Then theres Mada, originally I was aloof with her but now I'm starting to be nicer even though we haven't fucked or done anything. I met her just before I moved away from Montreal and didn't have time to go on a first date. I plan to visit Montreal in May and hopefully we still meet but I'm having a hard time keeping her interested on wahtsapp. We've kind of ran out of things to say and she seems to be losing interest. I think I'm going to cut all contact for a week or so and then call her out of the blue or something. She's a lot older than me (I'm 20 and she's 33) but quite good looking. She doesn't seem to play games though and as long as she isn't sleeping she responds to my messages almost instantly. Then when I wait a couple hours or a day to respond back she becomes agitated. Yet if I respond instantly to her messages I don't know if I'd be able to keep the conversation going till May.I know for a fact I failed a shit test she gave me today.

I've been asking for pictures of her not nudes but just pictures. She brought it up in a conversation and I followed suit. Afterwards I showed her some of myself and asked for more. She sent

"Why? Do you like pictures of me."

I should of agreed and amplified or completely ignored but instead I said.

"yea, a picture is worth a thousand words."

she still responded but i think she lost some attraction for me there. I don't really know how to keep this conversation going till May but it will be a fun challenge and I'm sure I'll learn a few things.

That's it really, I haven't done many approaches because I've been stuck at home. I went out on the weekend approached a bit but no numbers. I was kind of glad I approached because being in my hometown I still feel like I can turn back to that anxiety ridden kid I was three years ago. My hometown just brings up bad memories. The approaches were nothing special but like I said I'm glad I did them.

I finished BANG by Roosh on the weekend, I need to write some notes down from the book so I don't forget. I was kind of shocked to realize that a lot of the early game things he mentioned I sort of did already which would explain why I can get dates but nothing comes form them. The middle game and end game parts were the most interesting, a lot of things started to become clear and I realized a lot of my thinking when it came to the end game and mid game was wrong which explained my terrible results. I really wish I lived in Montreal still now that I know what I do. Overall I feel pretty confident, assertive and happy. I'm excited to see where things go.

I just got a message from a girl on okcupid with her number, that's the first number i've gotten on okcupid. Quite excited.

Post: #2

"The middle game and end game parts were the most interesting, a lot of things started to become clear and I realized a lot of my thinking when it came to the end game and mid game was wrong which explained my terrible results."

What things?

Post: #3

(03-17-2015 12:29 AM)redbeard Wrote:  "The middle game and end game parts were the most interesting, a lot of things started to become clear and I realized a lot of my thinking when it came to the end game and mid game was wrong which explained my terrible results."

What things?

theres a lot im currently re-reading the book and writing down what i find important.

Yesterday I didn't go out..I rationalized myself away from going out and instead played video games. Pretty upset at my decision and I need to stop rationalizing myself away from going out. I wonder why I say I don't like going out but then when I'm out I have a great time. I think I'm protecting myself.

today I did a couple approaches at the mall, nothing really amounted from them and one girl was pretty scared. I'm starting to learn that I need to get rejected more, I hide behind easy approaches to avoid rejection. I need to get rejected more.

There was this one girl at a foodstand that seemed interested. While ordering my food I commented about working the day after St Patty's and she started talking and asked me questions. More so than you usually get from employees that are just being "nice". I got my food and went to go eat at the food court. After about ten minutes of thinking I decided to talk to her again.

I went back to the stand to get a cup of water and she was gone, either break or her shift ended. Damn it. I should of went for the opportunity when it presented itself instead of waiting.

Im starting to believe that to get a girls attraction you need to act aloof. Like you get laid all of the fucking time and don't care about her attention. If she doesn't give you any attention you don't give any to her treating it almost like a business transaction/deal.

This leads me to the question..is it possible to use your attention as a way to leverage sex? Reading RooshV BANG it said that a girls number one goal is to get attention and it's your job to not give it her unless she does things you enjoy and appreciate. Basically acting aloof until you have sex.

I got my first okcupid number a few days ago but it seems shes lost interest. I gave her too much attention and didn't push for the meetup fast enough.

My tinder numbers/matches didn't go anywhere either.

In my okcupid I have around 5 messages from girls that I never responded too..cock blocking myself. Once again I think this has to do with some form of ego/pride protection. If I never respond to a girl then I never get rejected.

Just some thoughts...

Post: #4

Personally, I believe you just need to get a feel for yourself and practice talking to a lot of people, and build yourself in various ways that you feel comfortable that you have things to offer and that will entice girls or whoever. I know ultimately you want to pick up and bang girls, but it is also good to practice various conversations with guys, as well in order to be able to find your niche with girls.

So for example, if you find some target activity that you have in common with the girl, then that can cause reasons to spend time together.

How old are you? and in what city?

Sometimes before thinking about sex, anyhow, we need to think about ways to physically escalate with girls in order that she will go to that next level of banging. Sometimes that process can take several weeks and spending time with the girl, yet the amount of time and the activity will depend in part on the kinds of girls that you are targeting, the environment and your logistics (like for example, where are you planning to take them to the beach, to the back seat of your car, to your bedroom, to her bedroom, to a hotel?).

Anyhow, sometimes it can be good to talk about theory, but it is frequently better to talk about concrete plans based on experiences and also based on how you believe that you are going to strategize to reach your objective(s) and what will be the time line (best case scenario and worst case scenario). Any of these projections can be adjusted, but frequently, it is good to consider what is within reasonable possibilities for you and your particular circumstances and past experiences.

Post: #5

I'm actually quite good at talking to people in general. I used to lead a sales team so I kinda developed people skill there. I have a hard time going out though, often times I'd rather lone wolf and be the mysterious guy. But after reading BANG I think the mysterious persona is just an ego to protect myself from rejection. I'm 20 and in St Catharines, Niagara Falls.

My biggest problem is escalation, I simply fail to do it. I think I've missed out on quite a few bangs because of this. I don't have a problem getting a number and girls don't flake a lot with me but I also don't approach a lot and usually play sniper game.

That last part is really inspiring and it ties into the rest of this post well. Thanks for the help.

This post is kind of graphic so beware. Yesterday I decided to try something to see if I could get a handle on my sex drive. I wondered if I could masturbate but instead of just letting my self blow I would tense up my kegal muscles really hard and try to prevent it from happening. I did this and instead of feeling bad after ejaculation I felt REALLY tired but energized. Today was the day after and it has been one of my most successful days in game.

Mostly I've been doing online game. I know its a crutch but right now there isn't anywhere I can really work on actual game. I'm getting rejected more but I'm also getting further with girls. I'm having a relatively easy time getting girls numbers off OkCupid and Tinder, it's not hard you just need to push for it quickly and when they say "I don't give out my number that easy" I just respond with "number" usually I get it. I was texting a girl from Tinder and tried to get her on the phone. Here's our conversation.

M: Hey its element
G: her its grace
(our names rhymed)
M:that rhymes its meant to be
G:omg I think ur right
M:#trulove
G: ur telling me
M: do we tell the kids we met on tinder? you around im gonna call
G: I mean im sure they wont judge too hard we can hype it up.
M:tru love, romeo and juliet level sure theyll understand. ur great at answering the phone 10/10
G:Im in class u turd ball (wtf are we 10?)
M: so its not like the professor will mind. When are you done?
G: 4
M: kexpect a call from Romeo (What a stupid fucking text)
(I called…no answer)
M:strike one
G: your so needy

Soon as I got this message I at first was abrasive then thought, well if she thinks Im needy other girls probably do too..
I read some threads here where people post there text conversation with girls and I noticed mine really do appear needy. Then it clicked, it doesnt matter if you are always funny and witty in your text. That won't turn them on, to turn them on I found you should try to get a girl to feel an emotion when talking to you. I've also found that anger is a lot more powerful than cheerful happiness. Being slightly abrasive has seemed to work wonders for me. With this new found knowledge I directly applied it to my text game with a few numbers off tinder. These girls aren't super attractive but i'd consider them bangable.

M:cant decide if i should go with fish or steak.
G: definitely go with steak
M:good choice, snapchat?
(I read that asking for a snapchat is a good way to build rapport but to be honest I just wanted to send her a dick picture.)
G: that depends, what do you use it for?
M:dick pics, what else is it for?
G: well arent u up front (she never said no, I figured she just didnt want to seem like a slut.)
M:snapchat (I go after what I want and I WILL get it.)
G: sorry ive seen enough dick pics recently.
M: I didnt ask if you seen any, I asked for your snap.
G:sorry not sorry.
M: wait a minute ur not a slut are you? you said you seen enough dick pics. (I wanted to get that fucking hamster going..)
G: no im not a slut actually which is why I dont want to snap. (As soon as she said this I knew I had her. I cant explain why but I felt it.)
M: yet youve seen a lot of dick pics?
G:I dont ask for them I will be talking to guys and then all of a sudden they send them,
M:thats good your not a slut..check out how dark my room is. (I've read about plausible deniability when dealing with a girls slut defense so I deployed that knowledge here. Giving an excuse for her to like my dick picture because I'm showing her how dark my room is that happens to have my dick in the picture.)
M:(dick pic)
G:Lol once again getting one without even having to ask. Oh yea it's pretty dark
M: yea but you like ie
G: well its definitely better than the last one i didnt ask for )
M: its turning you on. is your room dark? ( i wanted her to send me a picture but not say it so I can play the hamster)
G: no its quite bright
M: lets see
G: see what
M: your bright room (I was expecting a nude.)
G: oh just my room are you sure thats what youre after?
M: yea I know your not a slut
G: (Sends a picture of just her bright room shes not even in the picture.)
M: doesnt look that bright might need another.
G: (sends a photo of her in a now darker room, fully clothed. Her eyes in her picture showed she was horny and her mouth was wide open in the photo.)
G: its darker now lol
M: you want me right now. clothing is boring.
G: (a bra shot, tits looked nice.)
G: Its your lucky day
M: fuck those are nice. what is that red thing? remove it.
G: my bra?
M: yes
G : (boob shot and not a very good one)

From there I just told her she was making me horny, wrote what I would do to her and then went for snapchat. Got it.
First thing she says is that she only does boob pics to guys she never met. I completely ignored this and asked her to show how wet she is. She didnt want to so instead I asked if her panties are cute she says yes, I tell her to take them off and then that was it. From there it was easy, I got the pussy shot. She came for me and I did the same. Told her I'd text her later and that I was going to bed. Done.

I'm going to text her at the end of the weekend and schedule for her place or mine if she can be discreet.

I also got the number from a girl on okcupid. Here's our texts

M: please tell me ur a Montreal Canadian fan. its element
G: hell no leafs all the way
M: shut up, 1967
M: snapchat?
Go rudee!! snap is Xxxxx
(I firmly believe if a girl is giving you her snap she is expecting a dick pic. I also sent her a beta as fuck snapchat but it never went through so I opted for a dick pic.)
M: you like it. check ur snap
G: whats ur snap name
M: xxxx its a great picture.
G: you didnt send a pic
M:fuck must of went to the wrong person.
G: yea cmon
(I sent the same dick pic as I did for the first girl.)
M: my room is dark.

She hasn't opened it. I'm curious to see what amounts to it.

Overall a great day, I learned a fuck ton and definitely am excited for the future. I need to go out more though, even if for ten minutes. I havent done a lot of approaches. I'm also curious if I should read Fifty Shades of Grey to understand how girls want to be treated and what they like guys to do. I learn much better by example than simply being told.

Post: #6

well guys i think im going to be losing my virginity on Thursday. I've got a girl coming over. Shes not super hot, probably a 4 but she has a nice pussy. Besides, you need to work your way up the ladder. You can't start fucking 9's right off the bat.

Post: #7

(03-23-2015 02:06 AM)the1element Wrote:  well guys i think im going to be losing my virginity on Thursday. I've got a girl coming over. Shes not super hot, probably a 4 but she has a nice pussy. Besides, you need to work your way up the ladder. You can't start fucking 9's right off the bat.

Hahahaha.... It is nice to have a plan, project ahead and be optimistic; however, I would NOT count my chickens before the eggs hatch.... I have frequently been in positions of physical escalation with girls, but frequently cannot have too much confidence about getting the bang, until it actually happens (even though frequently, I will attempt to project confidence towards the girl concerning the bang being a given).

In your situation, what provides you a certain level confidence that she is going to put out? what has she said or done, and what kinds of strategies and or escalation tactics did you use to get her to various points of physicality? How many times have you met with her?

On the other hand, if you have only been escalating on the internet or by text or virtually, then those kinds of virtual escalations do NOT always result in in-person physical escalation(s) unless you are able to preserve and or project yourself in such a way that the girl is going to feel sufficiently comfortable to follow through or continue with in-person physical escalation(s).

Let us know some of the details.

Post: #8

(03-23-2015 02:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 02:06 AM)the1element Wrote:  well guys i think im going to be losing my virginity on Thursday. I've got a girl coming over. Shes not super hot, probably a 4 but she has a nice pussy. Besides, you need to work your way up the ladder. You can't start fucking 9's right off the bat.

Hahahaha.... It is nice to have a plan, project ahead and be optimistic; however, I would NOT count my chickens before the eggs hatch.... I have frequently been in positions of physical escalation with girls, but frequently cannot have too much confidence about getting the bang, until it actually happens (even though frequently, I will attempt to project confidence towards the girl concerning the bang being a given).

In your situation, what provides you a certain level confidence that she is going to put out? what has she said or done, and what kinds of strategies and or escalation tactics did you use to get her to various points of physicality? How many times have you met with her?

On the other hand, if you have only been escalating on the internet or by text or virtually, then those kinds of virtual escalations do NOT always result in in-person physical escalation(s) unless you are able to preserve and or project yourself in such a way that the girl is going to feel sufficiently comfortable to follow through or continue with in-person physical escalation(s).

Let us know some of the details.

She keeps telling me how she hasn't talked to a guy like me before and we've been sexting on and off. She asks me what I would do to her and I tell her how I'm going to dominate her and stuff. She tells me she's never had a guy make her so wet. She's pretty submissive

I texted her a couple days after we sexted.

Me: what r u doing this week? Thursday night lets meet.
Her: umm im not too sure yet bcuz this is a really busy week for me. I'd love to meet up.
Me: okay, thursday at my place i got red wine.
Her: Hahah okay sounds good.

I've established and held a decent frame with her. She knows I'm not going to bend over for her. I just feel pretty good with everything, she's given me some light resistance (check my 2nd latest post since the one you replied to). You're right though, I shouldn't count my eggs before they've hatched. That's a good lesson. But even if it doesn't happen it's whatever. I know I'm getting somewhere with my game, albeit it's mostly online right now.

I've had similar experiences where I've sexted girls they want me to fuck them and then they back out. The thing I noticed with them is they almost gave little to no resistance.

Post: #9

(03-23-2015 02:51 AM)the1element Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 02:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 02:06 AM)the1element Wrote:  well guys i think im going to be losing my virginity on Thursday. I've got a girl coming over. Shes not super hot, probably a 4 but she has a nice pussy. Besides, you need to work your way up the ladder. You can't start fucking 9's right off the bat.

Hahahaha.... It is nice to have a plan, project ahead and be optimistic; however, I would NOT count my chickens before the eggs hatch.... I have frequently been in positions of physical escalation with girls, but frequently cannot have too much confidence about getting the bang, until it actually happens (even though frequently, I will attempt to project confidence towards the girl concerning the bang being a given).

In your situation, what provides you a certain level confidence that she is going to put out? what has she said or done, and what kinds of strategies and or escalation tactics did you use to get her to various points of physicality? How many times have you met with her?

On the other hand, if you have only been escalating on the internet or by text or virtually, then those kinds of virtual escalations do NOT always result in in-person physical escalation(s) unless you are able to preserve and or project yourself in such a way that the girl is going to feel sufficiently comfortable to follow through or continue with in-person physical escalation(s).

Let us know some of the details.

She keeps telling me how she hasn't talked to a guy like me before and we've been sexting on and off. She asks me what I would do to her and I tell her how I'm going to dominate her and stuff. She tells me she's never had a guy make her so wet. She's pretty submissive

I texted her a couple days after we sexted.

Me: what r u doing this week? Thursday night lets meet.
Her: umm im not too sure yet bcuz this is a really busy week for me. I'd love to meet up.
Me: okay, thursday at my place i got red wine.
Her: Hahah okay sounds good.

I've established and held a decent frame with her. She knows I'm not going to bend over for her. I just feel pretty good with everything, she's given me some light resistance (check my 2nd latest post since the one you replied to). You're right though, I shouldn't count my eggs before they've hatched. That's a good lesson. But even if it doesn't happen it's whatever. I know I'm getting somewhere with my game, albeit it's mostly online right now.

I've had similar experiences where I've sexted girls they want me to fuck them and then they back out. The thing I noticed with them is they almost gave little to no resistance.

I agree with you that you can measure progress, even without getting a bang and/or without meeting with the girl. On the other hand, I think that it is a bit better, including in these forum threads, to be a bit careful when you are projecting future results because there are so many variables that can cause the future results to turn out differently than planned.

Also, girls tend to say a lot of things virtually, but can have a quite different disposition when it comes time for the rubber to hit the road.

Three and a half days until Thursday, so hopefully you will be able to provide an update, and maybe even let us know if there were various ways that your projection was correct or incorrect and maybe reveal areas to improve.

Sometimes, however, you may play a fairly solid interaction technique with the girl, and she still ends up flaking or NOT putting out or in some other way being a stick in the mud, causing the guy to lose his libido... hahaha.

Post: #10

(03-23-2015 03:07 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 02:51 AM)the1element Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 02:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 02:06 AM)the1element Wrote:  well guys i think im going to be losing my virginity on Thursday. I've got a girl coming over. Shes not super hot, probably a 4 but she has a nice pussy. Besides, you need to work your way up the ladder. You can't start fucking 9's right off the bat.

Hahahaha.... It is nice to have a plan, project ahead and be optimistic; however, I would NOT count my chickens before the eggs hatch.... I have frequently been in positions of physical escalation with girls, but frequently cannot have too much confidence about getting the bang, until it actually happens (even though frequently, I will attempt to project confidence towards the girl concerning the bang being a given).

In your situation, what provides you a certain level confidence that she is going to put out? what has she said or done, and what kinds of strategies and or escalation tactics did you use to get her to various points of physicality? How many times have you met with her?

On the other hand, if you have only been escalating on the internet or by text or virtually, then those kinds of virtual escalations do NOT always result in in-person physical escalation(s) unless you are able to preserve and or project yourself in such a way that the girl is going to feel sufficiently comfortable to follow through or continue with in-person physical escalation(s).

Let us know some of the details.

She keeps telling me how she hasn't talked to a guy like me before and we've been sexting on and off. She asks me what I would do to her and I tell her how I'm going to dominate her and stuff. She tells me she's never had a guy make her so wet. She's pretty submissive

I texted her a couple days after we sexted.

Me: what r u doing this week? Thursday night lets meet.
Her: umm im not too sure yet bcuz this is a really busy week for me. I'd love to meet up.
Me: okay, thursday at my place i got red wine.
Her: Hahah okay sounds good.

I've established and held a decent frame with her. She knows I'm not going to bend over for her. I just feel pretty good with everything, she's given me some light resistance (check my 2nd latest post since the one you replied to). You're right though, I shouldn't count my eggs before they've hatched. That's a good lesson. But even if it doesn't happen it's whatever. I know I'm getting somewhere with my game, albeit it's mostly online right now.

I've had similar experiences where I've sexted girls they want me to fuck them and then they back out. The thing I noticed with them is they almost gave little to no resistance.

I agree with you that you can measure progress, even without getting a bang and/or without meeting with the girl. On the other hand, I think that it is a bit better, including in these forum threads, to be a bit careful when you are projecting future results because there are so many variables that can cause the future results to turn out differently than planned.

Also, girls tend to say a lot of things virtually, but can have a quite different disposition when it comes time for the rubber to hit the road.

Three and a half days until Thursday, so hopefully you will be able to provide an update, and maybe even let us know if there were various ways that your projection was correct or incorrect and maybe reveal areas to improve.

Sometimes, however, you may play a fairly solid interaction technique with the girl, and she still ends up flaking or NOT putting out or in some other way being a stick in the mud, causing the guy to lose his libido... hahaha.

Yea Im definitely going to report back how it goes (or doesn't.).

You're right though, predicting future results is probably only going to set you up for failure.

I've would never of thought to compare my projection with what actually happened. Then wonder why it did or didn't work. That's a great idea.

Regardless I'm sure I'll come away from this with a better idea of game and maybe a funny story.

Post: #11

(03-23-2015 03:37 AM)the1element Wrote:  Yea Im definitely going to report back how it goes (or doesn't.).

You're right though, predicting future results is probably only going to set you up for failure.

I've would never of thought to compare my projection with what actually happened. Then wonder why it did or didn't work. That's a great idea.

Regardless I'm sure I'll come away from this with a better idea of game and maybe a funny story.

Comparisons can be a very good learning tool especially if you describe details rather than conclusions. Accordingly, a lot of us can learn by reading through the depictions of others and comparing those depictions with our own experiences. Sometimes I have gotten all worked up about a girl, and flirted with her on the phone and fantasized a lot about various sexual things that I would do to her, but then when I met her in person, her personality would screw up my fantasy and cause me to NOT follow through.

Surely, I may have missed some decent bangs because of my own sensitivities, yet through the years (and even through comparing experiences), we will frequently learn how to better react, and maybe taking a different course of action, for example to aim for getting the bang, rather than getting a bit gun shy about some unimportant personality traits of the girl.

Post: #12

I see what your saying Jay, I got a little worked up over this girl and sort of stopped talking to others online. That was a mistake. I don't think she has a great personality but who needs one when she can barely talk from my cock being rammed down her throat haha. I missed a few bangs because a girls personality wasn't what I liked, kind of stupid but you learn.


Well she flaked, I don't know if what she was telling is the truth or not but she seems sincere about it. Here was our conversation. Is she flaking or is she telling me the truth?

Me: come at 10, wear something sexy
her: Do you want to have sex tonight?
me: thats an odd question, whatever happens happens.
her:i was just wondering because to be honest i feel terrible cuz im on my period
me: who said we were having sex? has my cock been on your mind that much?
her: no its not that haha i just feel really sick
me: I have towels and dont care if u on ur period. Come at 10
her: thats nice of u but i care though
me: well im sure u do its ur pusys. where are you going with this..
her: most girls dont want to have sex with someone for the first time while their on their period. and it wouldnt even be fun for me right now because im in a lot of pain . Im just saying i really dont feel well thats all nothing more.
me:most girls also tell me they are not feeling good or on their period the day of. Usually means they want to see what type of person they are meeting by how the guy responds. its like a test
me: id probably do the same if iwas a chick
her:i promise you its not a test im actually on my period.
her: and everything I said is true.
Me: Ill take ur word ffor it.
her: I've never lied about something like that
me: good cuz if u did id punish u.
me: are you telling me you want to reschedule/cancel? (I noticed during this whole exchange she never actually cancelled. I think if I pushed a bit more she would of came over. Instead I gave her the opportunity to either cancel or reschedule as a test of her interest)
her: yes can we reschedule?
(I don't think I'm going to reply until late tonight or tomorrow, she did not please me so I am not going to give her my attention.)

I think my text game was pretty good here, I called her out on bullshit and she reassured me it wasn't. I think maybe I should of got more sexual in the conversation or something but I think I did a decent job. What do you guys think?

Edit: I must of done something right when texting her because she knew sex was on the table and viewed me as a sexual being. She's also thought about having sex with me. I don't think I've had a girl know sex was on the table when she came over/met with me. It's a good sign I'm stepping in the right direction.

Edit edit: I'm also working on a girl from Montreal thats about 13 years older than me. She messages me a lot in whatsapp and when I message her after not respponding for a few days she responds instantly. I tried to get her on the phone but really did not want me to call her. She kept telling me "I told you, you are too young for me!" yet her actions are telling me otherwise. She sent me a picture message asking what I thought about her new glasses. I can't quite tell if she is using me for validation or she likes me but because I am young she has a hard time accepting it.

Post: #13

Way too much sex talk for pre bang, let alone pre meet.

Until you become a master of the nuances of text game, it's best to stick to tone down the text-escalation.

Post: #14

(03-26-2015 07:35 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Way too much sex talk for pre bang, let alone pre meet.

Until you become a master of the nuances of text game, it's best to stick to tone down the text-escalation.

I have an idea for the reasoning behind this, but why is sex talk before the bang bad? Were my texts that bad?

Post: #15

It's nearly 1am here and I'm just going to bed.

If someone hasn't jumped in by the time I'm next online I'll write you something out.


General tip: read and study these forums intently and internalise the wisdom found therein.

Post: #16

(03-26-2015 07:41 PM)the1element Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 07:35 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Way too much sex talk for pre bang, let alone pre meet.

Until you become a master of the nuances of text game, it's best to stick to tone down the text-escalation.

I have an idea for the reasoning behind this, but why is sex talk before the bang bad? Were my texts that bad?

I agree with CrashBangWallop. It may be good to text a little bit about sex to make sure that she understands that you are interested in sex and that you want to be considered as a sexual partner rather than friend zoned or some other different kind of relationship.

Even in person, if you talk too much about sex, you seem either shallow or desperate or something less than normal. I don't think any of us really aspire to "normal" ; however, frequently, once you meet in person, then you start the escalation with a lot of touching and a lot of physical and verbal playing around and teasing.. both girls and guys like these kinds of foreplay situations. I doubt that guys go straight to having sex with strangers on a regular basis, even though it does happen sometimes. More frequently there is going to be a little bit of back and forth and playing around and escalating.

Regarding the period, it does NOT need to be any kind of real factor. Frequently girls are able to get very sexually excited on their period, but you cannot really do it on the beach or in a car or in some random hallway.... In that regard, the main thing about the period, is just being prepared with a towel and then escalating and having the towel ready. Sometimes, you still may not get the bang with the girl being on the period, but it is NOT necessarily a deal breaker. NONETHELESS, I would NOT spend a lot of time talking about the period being a factor within texts, you have to shoot for meeting these girls and engage in a lot of your escalation in person rather than in texts.

When you sexually escalate in text it is too speculative, and maybe even can come off as a bit creepy. Also, you are NOT able to act, right then, in terms of the arousal (and the situation becomes masterbating rather than being between two people). In person, you can have better physicality and a sense of each others' non-verbals.

Post: #17

Lost my virginity, but in all honesty im not all that happy. It just feels like something I should of done a while ago, i'm cool with it though.

Sex is no where near the deal I made it out to be and same with women. When I stuck my dick in her it wasn't this crazy awesome experience it was just sort of something fun to do. That's what sex seemed like to me, something fun to do. Same with kissing a girl and getting intimate with one, it wasn't this crazy fucking thing it was just a fun thing to do for a couple hours.

I did what BANG suggested as far as escalation and leading her to your room. There was no hesitation I simply let my animal desires take over, she didn't give me any resistance which I am kinda sad about and she didn't really know how to give a blowjob. She used her teeth occasionally and refused to slobber. I got her to let me cum in her mouth which was something she said she never done before.

The big thing I noticed is that I seem to be really show my dominate side in the bedroom. I simply had my way with her and did whatever I wanted to, it all felt natural to be honest. I just read her face and if she started to moan heavier I'd know I was doing something right. She complimented on my skills and that I knew how to use my fingers and tongue, which was a nice ego boost but I just did whatever I wanted.

The worst part of the sex was actual penetration, I found the hole pretty easily but I couldn't really get in a position where I felt I was fucking her. I wasn't too big but I just couldn't figure out the rhythm. Is sex always like this? I'd rather use my hand it's more pleasurable...lol

I needed lube though, the lubricated condom and spit wasn't enough. My dick is really sore from no lubrication. As I was fingering her she started to bleed a little, I noticed some blood on my hand. Is that period?

I definitely don't view girls as the be all end all anymore. I'm focusing on my profession and will dabble a bit in women but I won't make them the only aspect of my life like I was.

After the first fuck I made supper (for myself but she had some) and then we fucked again before she left. She paid for both taxis to and from my house and before she left she said

thanks for the great fuck.

Considering where my life is going right now (Profession, losing virginity, becoming much more disciplined and stronger) I definitely feel I am destined for greatness.

Post: #18

(04-01-2015 07:10 PM)the1element Wrote:  Lost my virginity, but in all honesty im not all that happy. It just feels like something I should of done a while ago, i'm cool with it though.

Sex is no where near the deal I made it out to be and same with women. When I stuck my dick in her it wasn't this crazy awesome experience it was just sort of something fun to do. That's what sex seemed like to me, something fun to do. Same with kissing a girl and getting intimate with one, it wasn't this crazy fucking thing it was just a fun thing to do for a couple hours.

I did what BANG suggested as far as escalation and leading her to your room. There was no hesitation I simply let my animal desires take over, she didn't give me any resistance which I am kinda sad about and she didn't really know how to give a blowjob. She used her teeth occasionally and refused to slobber. I got her to let me cum in her mouth which was something she said she never done before.

The big thing I noticed is that I seem to be really show my dominate side in the bedroom. I simply had my way with her and did whatever I wanted to, it all felt natural to be honest. I just read her face and if she started to moan heavier I'd know I was doing something right. She complimented on my skills and that I knew how to use my fingers and tongue, which was a nice ego boost but I just did whatever I wanted.

The worst part of the sex was actual penetration, I found the hole pretty easily but I couldn't really get in a position where I felt I was fucking her. I wasn't too big but I just couldn't figure out the rhythm. Is sex always like this? I'd rather use my hand it's more pleasurable...lol

I needed lube though, the lubricated condom and spit wasn't enough. My dick is really sore from no lubrication. As I was fingering her she started to bleed a little, I noticed some blood on my hand. Is that period?

I definitely don't view girls as the be all end all anymore. I'm focusing on my profession and will dabble a bit in women but I won't make them the only aspect of my life like I was.

After the first fuck I made supper (for myself but she had some) and then we fucked again before she left. She paid for both taxis to and from my house and before she left she said

thanks for the great fuck.

Considering where my life is going right now (Profession, losing virginity, becoming much more disciplined and stronger) I definitely feel I am destined for greatness.

This post coupled with a few of your earlier posts in this thread gives me the sense that some of your descriptions are somewhat fictional or fantastical. Maybe it is just me, but you are making quite a few seemingly "out there" descriptions.

Surely, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt because I understand that there are a variety of experiences when it comes to dealing with girls, developing sexual feelings and pleasure levels with sex itself.

Of course there is both mental and physical components to sex, and sometimes the first few sexual experiences, with any girl may be a little bit stressful and the feeling is less of a pleasant feeling than anticipated. That is we could get our hopes up too high regarding the sensation that we are going to get, and many times sex can be a lot more pleasurable once we become relaxed or even comfortable in the situation(s).


In that regard, some of the psychology of sex and sex relationships can cause you to feel more pleasure and to figure out ways to get more enjoyment from the physical sensation regarding having another person to help you to get off, rather than doing it by yourself.

I must admit that sometimes, it can become difficult for me to get excited by some girls if they have personalities that are unappealing; however, frequently, when you are younger, your hormones may also take over to cause you to get excited, even when you find the girl to have a bad personality or to have other unappealing characteristics. It seems to me that those kinds of feelings differ from guy to guy to some extent, and I have even felt different levels of driving sexual urges at different points in my life. I am in my late 40s, now, and in that regard, I have had quite a few different kinds of experiences regarding sexual urges with different partners. My current partner (for nearly 6 months) is about 14 years younger than me, and she gets me pretty excited - however, sometimes I get the sense that I am ready to find another partner because sometimes guys (including me) crave some variety in partners.

I think part of my point with you, the1element, is that you can psychologically develop your sexual feelings and to intensify your physical sexual sensations... and sometimes you may need to experiment with sexual partners in order to get in touch with what really turns you on and then to attempt to hone those kinds of experiences by seeking them out.

Post: #19

Late Update I had some more important things to take care of and put game on the back burner but I'm back at it now,

I defiately need to experiement with more sexual partners to figure out what I like and dislike, I haven't had sex since I lost my virginity. You're right I used to find that I would be with an attractive girl but her personality turned me off and as a result I never pursued, I also used to be really afraid of my sexuality and just now after losing virginity I am starting to lose that fear.

I can't say I have approached a ton and the girls I have approached have been employees at a golf course I belong to.


Girl #1

When I first met Jenna I wasn't even trying to game her, she was doing something at the counter and I made a remark which she found really funny. Then the next time I was at the course she told me she thought I was funny which obviously I took for interest.

I see her a couple days later and tell her I'm golfing during the weekend and that she should join. She was down and I got her number, she even put her last name into my phone which showed that she was a tad more interested than usual which I read in BANG.

I text her a couple days later,

Me: Hey it's element
Her: Hey, what's up?
(I spent A LONG time responding probably cose to three days)
Me: Just got finished saving the world, you?

No response.

Then a couple days later I ran into her and asked about the weekend. She told me to slow down which is when I knew I lost her. For shits an giggles I tried to re-start two weeks later by letting her know I was golfing and she gave me the classic.

"I actually have a boyfriend so I don't think its a good idea."

Hahahah, whatever. I knew I was rusty with my game because I haven't done an offline approach since Febuary. The only thing is because she woks at the golf course and I'm trying to game other women there she may have told others and it could affect my rep but it's cool.

GIrl #2&3

I was playing a round of golf and about halfway through there was these cute girls behind me and I figured I'd join them because playing alone is really boring. Once I joined them I kinda ran game, it was two sisters and one was an employee at the course and the other was a member. I have some experience with two-sets .

I made sure to include both of them in the conversation instead of focusing only on the hot one. I told them stories of my travels and asked them about their lives. I'm a bit of an eccentric person and for the first thirty minutes after I joined them I tried to tone down my eccentric personality and be cool. I could tell they were getting bored so I brought out my real personality and they seemed to enjoy it. One thing I've noticed is girls enjoy my eccentric personality whereas guy's tend to make fun of me for it. It's kind of annoying and I wish I could tone it down but I enjoy having fun too much to stop.

During our game I was telling them a story and they asked how I can meet so many random people, I told them I don't just meet any random person and the only people that I meet are ones I am intruiged by.

They then respond with

"We'll I guess we made the cut then."

To which I said

"yea, I'd say so"

After our game I shoke hands and said I enjoyied playing and left. I know these girls play at the course often so I am going to try and slowly game them. Next time I see them I'll just say hi and some chit chat but I won't play with them. I want to create a sense of mystery.

I think the hot one has a slight interest but time will tell.

Girl #3

A server at a restaurant I frequent, I've bantered back and forth with her twice and next time I'm gonna go for the #. I actually bantered with her today so the conversation is relatively fresh in my mind.

Before she took my order we talked about how easy it is to procrastiante and she called herself the "Queen of Procrastination"

Her: What do you want to drink?
Me: Water
(She comes back with water)
Me: I need a queens advice, what is good on the menu?
Her: I really like a,b,c
Me: A sounds really good, let's go with that.
Her: Perfect
(Come back with food)
Me: Wow, you seem to know your food.
Her: They don't call me queen for nothing.
Me: I can almost taste the royalty
(she leaves)
Her: How is everything?
Me: Fucking terrible
Her: Really? You're lying
ME: No I'm not *looking right into her eye*
Her: Oh well...
Me: It's great.
Her: You liar
Me: I'm a GREAT liar.
Her: No you're not.
Me: I guess that's a good thing, let's see you do it.
Her: This food is awful
Me: ......You call THAT lying?
Her: I'm not a good liar either...
Me: That makes two of us

There was more conversation after but I can't remember the exact words. We bantered a lot and flirted pretty hard.

That's the only offline approached I have done that are noteworthy, I know I should be going for numbers fast but I feel it's different when you are gaming women you see almost everyday.

One thing I'd like to incorporate into my game is making girls fee emotional around me, I want to talk about things that strike deep emotional connections. Not quite sure how to do this but it's interesting.

I'll post against tomorrow with an update to my online game, it's late here and I have to ake up early. I'll proofread this post tomorrow as well, I'm writing from my phone because PC broke so spelling errors are inevitable.