Post: #1

Think about cold approach - all the variable's which neglect someone who has A+ game. Your aesthetics, what she is looking for that night, stranger effect, etc all have a huge impact. Fact is, you can be a straight out baller who gets rejected 50 times in a row in a club.

Social Circle ------ I fail to see how someone with grade A game cannot win over any and every single girl he encounters.

In order for game to work, you need to have some social comfort that allows you to have a listening participating target to win over.

The social comfort is huge...........from someone who has not done a ton of social circle game, explain to me how easy it is. It seems single girls could be won over. It's a function of time + comfort and then the best game wins out.

Post: #2

(03-10-2015 10:44 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  Think about cold approach - all the variable's which neglect someone who has A+ game. Your aesthetics, what she is looking for that night, stranger effect, etc all have a huge impact. Fact is, you can be a straight out baller who gets rejected 50 times in a row in a club.

Social Circle ------ I fail to see how someone with grade A game cannot win over any and every single girl he encounters.

In order for game to work, you need to have some social comfort that allows you to have a listening participating target to win over.

The social comfort is huge...........from someone who has not done a ton of social circle game, explain to me how easy it is. It seems single girls could be won over. It's a function of time + comfort and then the best game wins out.

Maybe you should give some examples in your own experience, such as times when you were successful and times when you were NOT successful? What was the environment, and why would you call it social circle? did you know the girls? How about comparing that to non-social circle game?

If you give some examples, then it will probably be a little easier for guys to give their own experiences in light of that.

For example, some guys may be good with pure game because they play the numbers and get the bang quick (pump and dump) but NOT good with social circle because social circle may take more time to develop a level of bang comfort and likelihood that there would be more expectations of potential long-term relationships (LTRs).

Surely, your reference to likely success in both social circle and non-social circle is probably correct, because if guys are comfortable and have good game and experience and know their various end points, then they are going to have more success no matter what the context because they are targeting their results, planning various strategies and setting their goals.

Post: #3

(03-11-2015 04:10 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 10:44 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  Think about cold approach - all the variable's which neglect someone who has A+ game. Your aesthetics, what she is looking for that night, stranger effect, etc all have a huge impact. Fact is, you can be a straight out baller who gets rejected 50 times in a row in a club.

Social Circle ------ I fail to see how someone with grade A game cannot win over any and every single girl he encounters.

In order for game to work, you need to have some social comfort that allows you to have a listening participating target to win over.

The social comfort is huge...........from someone who has not done a ton of social circle game, explain to me how easy it is. It seems single girls could be won over. It's a function of time + comfort and then the best game wins out.

Maybe you should give some examples in your own experience, such as times when you were successful and times when you were NOT successful? What was the environment, and why would you call it social circle? did you know the girls? How about comparing that to non-social circle game?

If you give some examples, then it will probably be a little easier for guys to give their own experiences in light of that.

For example, some guys may be good with pure game because they play the numbers and get the bang quick (pump and dump) but NOT good with social circle because social circle may take more time to develop a level of bang comfort and likelihood that there would be more expectations of potential long-term relationships (LTRs).

Surely, your reference to likely success in both social circle and non-social circle is probably correct, because if guys are comfortable and have good game and experience and know their various end points, then they are going to have more success no matter what the context because they are targeting their results, planning various strategies and setting their goals.

That depends if its your social circle or if it's someone else's...

Having your own circle is like an extension of your game...only it's with a group of people rather than a single individual. So if you can combine the two the effect is much more powerful.

Game is all about knowing people...the better you know people, the better your overall game will be.

Post: #4

Game is about screening.

It's not about making friends, being a clown, or trying to win over social circles.

Women are here to build social circles, men are here to be self-reliant and stand their ground.

Forget trying to be everyone's friend.

You only need to build enough raport for her to feel comfortable going home with you.

No one can win over any girl, regardless of what he says and how he looks. There are too many variables in every second and everyday. That's why game is about screening and optimizing time.

Post: #5

^ Apollo's answer is money.

For social circle to really work well it needs to have a core group that you are one of the leaders if not the main piece. You facilitate by getting friends of friends, relatives (hot sisters, cousins) etc... to join in on events.

Breaking into a social circle and being a bottom-runger is tougher as you don't have status in that circle, best route is to befriend the leader and show you bring social value, awareness, and no drama you raise your value to the entire group quicker if the leader thinks you're cool.

Post: #6

(03-11-2015 04:10 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 10:44 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  Think about cold approach - all the variable's which neglect someone who has A+ game. Your aesthetics, what she is looking for that night, stranger effect, etc all have a huge impact. Fact is, you can be a straight out baller who gets rejected 50 times in a row in a club.

Social Circle ------ I fail to see how someone with grade A game cannot win over any and every single girl he encounters.

In order for game to work, you need to have some social comfort that allows you to have a listening participating target to win over.

The social comfort is huge...........from someone who has not done a ton of social circle game, explain to me how easy it is. It seems single girls could be won over. It's a function of time + comfort and then the best game wins out.

Maybe you should give some examples in your own experience, such as times when you were successful and times when you were NOT successful? What was the environment, and why would you call it social circle? did you know the girls? How about comparing that to non-social circle game?

If you give some examples, then it will probably be a little easier for guys to give their own experiences in light of that.

For example, some guys may be good with pure game because they play the numbers and get the bang quick (pump and dump) but NOT good with social circle because social circle may take more time to develop a level of bang comfort and likelihood that there would be more expectations of potential long-term relationships (LTRs).

Surely, your reference to likely success in both social circle and non-social circle is probably correct, because if guys are comfortable and have good game and experience and know their various end points, then they are going to have more success no matter what the context because they are targeting their results, planning various strategies and setting their goals.

See I think the context matters. So many guys with high super high lay counts slay social circle but suck in cold approach. Most of society are chodes who would never stand a chance in cold approach but are somewhat still able to get an occasional lay.

What I mean by social circle is just a general term for "people you aren't strangers with and see on a regular basis/somewhat regular basis" Work is a great example. People who you see often, yet may or may not even be in a tight group with. School, friends of friends, even the hot girl receptionist at a gym or tanning bed that you visit often. The more times you see that receptionist, the higher your chance of getting her number go up. Alot of cold approacher's use this tactic of just visiting a certain place multiple times until even asking for the number.

I think that's the point, Women who are into you and would f your brains out will not give you a chance of day at cold approach. Good game is not even given a an opportunity to develop and grow in a cold approach environment except in the most extreme circumstances where you are just hot as hell or she is out to bang. That's when game comes into play, but it's not the true game of taking a girl who is lukewarm into you and making her attracted which can be done in social circle.

I think this is a fairly obvious point but at the same time never seems to be emphasized in the community .....my personal opinion is I think cold approach is only good for practice.

Let's take a guy who has A game. I do think it is very possible he could approach 50 women in a nightclub gaming and get rejected by each one. Then meet those SAME EXACT 50 women in social circle environments, and once establishes comfort can exhibit his A game and bang all 50.

Post: #7

(03-11-2015 06:13 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 04:10 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 10:44 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  Think about cold approach - all the variable's which neglect someone who has A+ game. Your aesthetics, what she is looking for that night, stranger effect, etc all have a huge impact. Fact is, you can be a straight out baller who gets rejected 50 times in a row in a club.

Social Circle ------ I fail to see how someone with grade A game cannot win over any and every single girl he encounters.

In order for game to work, you need to have some social comfort that allows you to have a listening participating target to win over.

The social comfort is huge...........from someone who has not done a ton of social circle game, explain to me how easy it is. It seems single girls could be won over. It's a function of time + comfort and then the best game wins out.

Maybe you should give some examples in your own experience, such as times when you were successful and times when you were NOT successful? What was the environment, and why would you call it social circle? did you know the girls? How about comparing that to non-social circle game?

If you give some examples, then it will probably be a little easier for guys to give their own experiences in light of that.

For example, some guys may be good with pure game because they play the numbers and get the bang quick (pump and dump) but NOT good with social circle because social circle may take more time to develop a level of bang comfort and likelihood that there would be more expectations of potential long-term relationships (LTRs).

Surely, your reference to likely success in both social circle and non-social circle is probably correct, because if guys are comfortable and have good game and experience and know their various end points, then they are going to have more success no matter what the context because they are targeting their results, planning various strategies and setting their goals.

See I think the context matters. So many guys with high super high lay counts slay social circle but suck in cold approach. Most of society are chodes who would never stand a chance in cold approach but are somewhat still able to get an occasional lay.

What I mean by social circle is just a general term for "people you aren't strangers with and see on a regular basis/somewhat regular basis" Work is a great example. People who you see often, yet may or may not even be in a tight group with. School, friends of friends, even the hot girl receptionist at a gym or tanning bed that you visit often. The more times you see that receptionist, the higher your chance of getting her number go up. Alot of cold approacher's use this tactic of just visiting a certain place multiple times until even asking for the number.

I think that's the point, Women who are into you and would f your brains out will not give you a chance of day at cold approach. Good game is not even given a an opportunity to develop and grow in a cold approach environment except in the most extreme circumstances where you are just hot as hell or she is out to bang. That's when game comes into play, but it's not the true game of taking a girl who is lukewarm into you and making her attracted which can be done in social circle.

I think this is a fairly obvious point but at the same time never seems to be emphasized in the community .....my personal opinion is I think cold approach is only good for practice.

Let's take a guy who has A game. I do think it is very possible he could approach 50 women in a nightclub gaming and get rejected by each one. Then meet those SAME EXACT 50 women in social circle environments, and once establishes comfort can exhibit his A game and bang all 50.

Yeah, but what about you specifically? What examples do you have from your own personal life experiences, rather than talking in the hypothetical and/or observational sense? Are you thinking about any particular personal examples or do you have any situation that you have been in that causes you to wonder whether to act in one way or a different way whether within a social circle situation or outside of a social circle situation?

Post: #8

I think this is common sense tbh.

Yes, all I have to do is look at the ratio of girls I came in contact with to those that became attracted to me in work/school environment. Then compare that to ratio of girls that I came in contact with in cold approach to those that became attracted to me (or rather attracted high enough to pull, girls become attracted to you all the time in cold approach,, that's the problem though, because of the setting that attraction is often fleeting/not serious)

Ironically without "game" the ratio of girls into me in social circle environments is higher than game and cold approach. Added game into social circle and that became exponentially higher.

Even before you open your mouth......if a girl sees you in a setting she knows she will see you often, then you are automatically on her radar. That's how much comfort matters. Girls look for prospects for boyfriends from the circle of people they know. Not strangers.

I'm not saying game doesn't matter in cold approach....you have to lead and be decisive and escalate at a very elite level to pull off a cold approach lay. However, that game doesn't even matter until she has decided you a prospect. And that part of her deciding you are a prospect in cold approach has little to do with game. And it's very rare.

I would think everybody here has seen this in there own life. It's become vary apparent to me. Even the guys with good looks and good game that I know have a substantial lower success rate in cold approach. I know/have seen several people with 100 plus lay counts and how that interaction unfolds between settings. It's stark.

By and large most kids struggling would be much better off to go get a couple part time jobs and get with chicks through that avenue than spend that time cold approaching.

The amount of people who hookup from work is enormous. In a club the amount of people who hookup is unbelievably small.

Post: #9

This really isn't anything groundbreaking.

College fraternities are a prime example. I know quite a few dudes who slay in greek life but couldn't comprehend cold approach game.

You don't really even need to be one of the leaders in a circle. You just need some value.

The magic thing about social circles is that you are essentially vetted right from the get-go, versus in cold approach where you aren't vetted. Social circle game lets you skip that stage. It's built in social proof that you don't have when you are just another stranger.

Girls also play games within the circle to bang the high value guys.

Imagine Johnny the good looking alpha is the new guy in the social circle. Chicks will compete to see who can bang him first. Whoever bangs him wins the bragging rights. You also see a similar phenomenon when new girls come into the group and guys compete over her.

New girls are the easiest to smash in a circle. The quicker she bangs a high value guy in the circle the faster she moves up the ladder. So if you are one of those high value guys it will be easy to bang.

I learned to recognize the glance of the hot new girl. First you catch a couple of those, then she adds you on facebook. Game time.

Post: #10

(03-11-2015 07:24 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  I think this is common sense tbh.

Yes, all I have to do is look at the ratio of girls I came in contact with to those that became attracted to me in work/school environment. Then compare that to ratio of girls that I came in contact with in cold approach to those that became attracted to me (or rather attracted high enough to pull, girls become attracted to you all the time in cold approach,, that's the problem though, because of the setting that attraction is often fleeting/not serious)

Ironically without "game" the ratio of girls into me in social circle environments is higher than game and cold approach. Added game into social circle and that became exponentially higher.

Even before you open your mouth......if a girl sees you in a setting she knows she will see you often, then you are automatically on her radar. That's how much comfort matters. Girls look for prospects for boyfriends from the circle of people they know. Not strangers.

I'm not saying game doesn't matter in cold approach....you have to lead and be decisive and escalate at a very elite level to pull off a cold approach lay. However, that game doesn't even matter until she has decided you a prospect. And that part of her deciding you are a prospect in cold approach has little to do with game. And it's very rare.

I would think everybody here has seen this in there own life. It's become vary apparent to me. Even the guys with good looks and good game that I know have a substantial lower success rate in cold approach. I know/have seen several people with 100 plus lay counts and how that interaction unfolds between settings. It's stark.

By and large most kids struggling would be much better off to go get a couple part time jobs and get with chicks through that avenue than spend that time cold approaching.

The amount of people who hookup from work is enormous. In a club the amount of people who hookup is unbelievably small.

All I am saying is that the topic would make much more sense to me, if OP posts some personal examples, rather than writing in the abstract.

I could layout some personal examples of my own, but I am NOT the person who prompted the subject.

One of my hobbies is salsa dancing, and I meet a lot of girls salsa dancing - some of the girls would be game type situations because I do NOT know them or their social circles; however, some of the girls would be social circle. For example, if I become more validated by a girl because she thinks that I know a lot of people in the club, there could be some kind of social circle dynamic going on, especially if one of the girls says to the target girl, oh I know him, I see him dancing all the time. That may be just the opening that is needed to allow a girl to feel comfortable enough to have the guy walk her to her car and then further escalation could proceed from there.


in my more than 12 years of salsa dancing, I have had quite a few of those kinds of interactions in the salsa dance scene where I target a girl and I meet her and I later attempt to isolate her and/or escalate. I find out later that a girl trusted me because supposedly she had received some positive feedback from a friend. I have also experienced situations where the girls says these kinds of things about having had heard good feedback about me, but I find out that she is lying.., so in the end, we cannot always determine for sure from what the girl says what had caused us luck when we push the girl in terms of isolation and/or escalation. But we can exercise our own calculations and plans and correct the direction when the plan does NOT move us towards achieving our objectives.

Post: #11

There are many specific variables you guys aren't talking about that will impact the final answer. Do you attend a school with a lot of party chicks with frat environment? Do you work at a job where there are a lot of young hot chicks? Are your friend's gfs or female friends social partiers or conservative home bodies?

Speaking from my personal experience, some of my oldest, best friends aren't players, and most of them have had maybe one or two girlfriends at most. I've never met a girl through my social circle, except for one co-worker but I don't consider that social circle.

Post: #12

Both cold approaching during night game and getting girls through your social circle are beautiful things.

I'm assuming here, from the lack of personal examples, that the OP is trying to determine where to develop his game and isn't very experienced yet. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's a very different question when you already have solid game.

You can't learn game using your social circle.

In the beginning stages of acquiring any skill, you're gonna make a lot of mistakes. You have to cross the line many times in all possible ways before you know where it is. Cold approaching makes this possible. You're going to be rejected many times and while initially that's scary, it's also essential to your progress. A conversation didn't flow at all? No problem and on to the next one.

In your social circle you can't walk away from your mistakes. They stick. Said or did something way out of line? People will remember and knowing this, you will hold back. Self-development can be messy and, like crabs in a bucket, people don't often appreciate that. Let the weirdness be with total strangers and not with friends.

Game has more impact during cold approaches.

Lots has been written about your old friends not seeing or not accepting the new you. When you start acting differently then before it seems incongruent. In past threads I advised people to create distance, e.g. by traveling for five months, and coming back a different person. Such change seems a lot more natural to people you know.

In a club, you are your current game and your first impression is created by the lines you speak and they body language you adopt. They didn't know you before and their reactions reflect the state of your game and nothing else. This enables experimentation and learning what works.

In your social circle, people will respond to how they know you. They view you a certain way already. Having a new mindset is not going to override all the memories.

If I was correct and you are trying to determine your strategy, i.e. where to game to learn good game, I must urge you not to rationalize a preference for social circle game because that's somehow better. Cold approaching can indeed be scary but acknowledge that and do it regardless.

In my experience, having game, cold approaching is very productive.

Most may lays are girls I didn't know before I saw them at a party looking hot and decided I wanted them naked in my bed. That gives tremendous freedom and power. I am not dependent on who happens to get introduced to me. And via your social circle you will meet dozens of girls and via cold approaching you can choose from thousands.

At work everyone knows me and I have a reputation. That makes things easy for sure. But better yet, I can party with the girls I meet there and have social proof when I say hello to a strange girl in the same venue.

Another example is a good friend, a supernatural that slays an insane amount of pussy. It's ridiculous. He has fucked many girls from his social circle, including good friends. But most of his notches come from going out. Bang one friend and you invite politics: people talk and other girls can't touch you for a while if they know the first girl would get upset. Girls in a club? No strings attached at al.

My advice:

Hit the clubs and become an experienced player. Your social circle will slowly but certainly start to change to way the see you and then, if you decide that's wise, you can get some easy, no-pressure lays from there.

Post: #13

(03-10-2015 10:44 PM)B-Nut Wrote:  Think about cold approach - all the variable's which neglect someone who has A+ game. Your aesthetics, what she is looking for that night, stranger effect, etc all have a huge impact. Fact is, you can be a straight out baller who gets rejected 50 times in a row in a club.

Social Circle ------ I fail to see how someone with grade A game cannot win over any and every single girl he encounters.

In order for game to work, you need to have some social comfort that allows you to have a listening participating target to win over.

The social comfort is huge...........from someone who has not done a ton of social circle game, explain to me how easy it is. It seems single girls could be won over. It's a function of time + comfort and then the best game wins out.

This is a poorly defined theoretical scenario.

There are situations where general familiarity of a player or knowledge of a player cockblocks any and all attempts of banging chicks in the circle or those with 1 degree of separation. There's also "incestuous" pairings that happen within a social circle. Not to mention any "Secret Society" hook ups.

Brad who's a cool guy in the frat, can bang out a couple of chicks from his sister sorority, but unless he does everything on the low, he can cause issues for himself and for the other chicks.

If Brad is truly cool, as smooth as his game is, Heather, Caitlin or Jocelyn will want more - and will cockblock him at every turn.

The idea that he lays pipe so well that all the other bitches want a piece is the thing that porn plots are designed around.

On top of that, Lance who's also a big man on campus, Brad's true bro, will be fucking the same set of chicks. Lance might fuck over a chick that Brad wants to bang, and that would set up a "Hoes before Bros" situation.

Meanwhile Brad and Lance both banged Buffy, who decides to get engaged to Chauncey senior year. Brad and Lance know that Buffy is a certified whore, but Chauncey confides in them that Buffy is quite frigid with him.

A fairly tight social circle situation can quickly fall apart.

Need not be a fraternity situation, plays out for workplace lovers, neighborhood friends...the bad shit about social circles is the fodder for plays and tv shows.

So even if game gets you into some familiar vagina, it doesn't get you out of what happens after the bang.

Social circles that are suitable for game look more and more like fame.
You want to be able to bang indiscriminately without individual chicks throwing salt in your game, or hurt up dudes trying to stop your momentum.

WIA

Post: #14

Social circles get messy quick and are pretty transitory, most last 1-3 years before people move, break up etc... and move on.

The best social circle is a very wide cast one that is from a scene in my opinion and very loosely hooked together that is based on clubs, the arts, fitness, or live music where you have some micro fame within this group.

The average social circle is pretty bad for being a player in terms of freedom and options. From the social circles I have been in maybe 1 in 5 is worth putting work into for pussy. Again as WIA mentioned there are many pitfalls even if you have success word can get around. The only way this works in your favor is if your status is so high in the group (micro-fame) from being a talented artist, musician, yoga instructor, DJ, rich guy that throws great house parties, or just simply a guy with extremely good connections that knows "everyone".

All take much more dedication to those crafts than being a cold approach man, I have temporarily had micro-fame in a very large social circle that my ex-GF was in and introduced me to (200 person college club) for a period of 3-4 months, I only capitalized with one new girl because I was a newbie. Even with that micro-fame if I had the same Game as I had now I bet I could have banged 3 chicks out of that 200 person group before word would get around and no new girls would touch me as fear as being just another chick. Even staying on the down low girls just talk. In this group there was quite a bit of incestuous he used to date her etc... it is like a cult if the social circle is tight. This is why I prefer looser ones in bigger more transitory cities.

Cold approach grace can also temporarily get you into these cliques to knock off a chick or two and move on quickly. It is like being a diversified investor that stays liquid vs. throwing everything into a business venture.

Bottom line WIA is right the best social circle game is some sort of fame no matter how small, your status needs to be very high for girls to ignore you are piping everything in arm's reach.