Post: #151

(01-23-2015 12:55 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 05:00 AM)fucksong Wrote:  To the guys who rave about san Francisco, please post pics for comparison of who you find attractive. While I'm always supportive of whatever turns you on, go for it, more power to ya, I don't think it's accurate to mislead other guys about the place. Im from there, have daygamed for years there (out of sheer necessity) and it sucks similar to LA. Please reference that thread for examples of what is considered attractive. If you live on a farm, yeah maybe San Francisco will be an upgrade but you're better off elsewhere if at all possible.

I had two buddies visit from Croatia and while they liked the city architecturally, they didn't even see ONE SINGLE GIRL THEY FOUND ATTRACTIVE. And yes, they went to the marina. Oh, do you like asian girls? You're better off in Hawaii. The hottest asian girls are the foreign students, NOT the local ones. I should know, I've dated both.

Slim pickings gentleman.

You like white girls, go to socal. Overall,
Go to Manhattan for more streams, you're not gonna find it in san Francisco unless you lower your standards. If it was cheap to live there and had a great music scene, yeah maybe but that's long been gone (thanks dot com boom) so it's an overpriced, yet beautiful city but with barely any girls.

I'm currently in LA and am just trying to escape California as a whole.

Side note: Chicago to me seemed a lot better for day game, at least during summer. Women actually dress feminine out there. Fashionable white girls, maybe second only to New York. If you're from Cali, check that place out. You'll see why I'm so negative on sf. And when you compare Eastern Europe and East Asia to S.f, hahahahaha. English teachers are living way better lives over there than us slaving away in Cali.

Never do I rave about the Bay. In fact, I'm probably one of the biggest critics about the Bay (I'm born and raised here). However, a spade is a spade and there are some descent talent in the East Bay (I'm not talking about SF as I don't like SF; SF is an overpriced and overrated dirty city). Check out Walnut Creek and then tell me what you think.

If you are stuck in the Bay, there's also Sacramento. Sac has some descent girls in MidTown and in Roseville (this is if you are interested in white girls).

The Bay isn't a pussy heaven but there are ways around.

What are some good places in Midtown?

Post: #152

I left SF in 2012 and returned last month. Here are my findings from going out the last two weeks.

-In 2010-2012 there were a lot of cute girls walking around all parts of the city. No longer. In mainland SF (Mission, Haight, SOMA, etc) it's 4's and 5's that think they are 8's, and 7's think they are celebrities. Young women major in Psychology and don't make a lot of money; they've fled San Francisco en masse the last three years due to skyrocketing rents and have been replaced by hordes of engineers and nerds. These new guys are gunning for 4's and 5's due to their own low self-evaluation; 4's and 5's line up dates with these guys through online dating sites and attain the status they've always dreamed of. These girls are ugly ducklings who believe they have finally transformed into swans, while still looking like ugly ducklings. It's bizarre. My dude friends in SF fawn over girls with zero sex appeal and it's disgusting. 7's look at 4's and 5's with extremely active social lives, and up their own prices accordingly. They cloister themselves away in tight-knit social circles.

-You used to be able to stand out in SF just by dressing well. No longer. Guys here have taken to wearing suits and blazers, perhaps in response to the brutal dating scene and the paucity of intriguing women.

-People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

-The Marina is awesome. Hordes of babes everywhere. It's the only place unaffected by the exodus; rich girls have always had their parents subsidizing their rent. I have not ever thought of myself as a Marina guy, but I hang out there a lot now. Talk to girls during the day as you go about your business, not at night when they are closed off due to all the lame drunk guys from Fremont who drove there to party.

Post: #153

I'm currently in Davis. Shall we go hunting?

Post: #154

Sure, sounds fun. I'll DM you

(03-07-2015 08:24 PM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  I'm currently in Davis. Shall we go hunting?

Post: #155

Thanks for the advice haywire, Pontifex Maximus and Stun! However, it's a shame that SF is generally rated as such a bad place to meet women.

Post: #156

(03-10-2015 01:02 AM)Biologist Wrote:  Thanks for the advice haywire, Pontifex Maximus and Stun! However, it's a shame that SF is generally rated as such a bad place to meet women.

Hey Bio, don't let the haters discourage you. This is the ONLY city on the west coast where a car is not only not needed, but is a pain.

It is very walkable here and there are constantly girls around, you just want to have a high tolerance to rejection and a sense of fashion to enjoy more success.

Post: #157

I'm back in the city next week for spring break. Meetup anybody?

Post: #158

I'm willing to meet in the burbs or Sac. I don't like hanging out in SF anymore because of the vibes there

Post: #159

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  Young women major in Psychology and don't make a lot of money; they've fled San Francisco en masse the last three years due to skyrocketing rents and have been replaced by hordes of engineers and nerds. These new guys are gunning for 4's and 5's due to their own low self-evaluation; 4's and 5's line up dates with these guys through online dating sites and attain the status they've always dreamed of. These girls are ugly ducklings who believe they have finally transformed into swans, while still looking like ugly ducklings. It's bizarre. My dude friends in SF fawn over girls with zero sex appeal and it's disgusting. 7's look at 4's and 5's with extremely active social lives, and up their own prices accordingly. They cloister themselves away in tight-knit social circles.

I've never been to SF, but that actually makes a lot of sense.

Post: #160

@Jackflag

The Bay is not so bad depending on your tastes. If you like asian girls, come here. In San Jose, it's my preferred spot for Latin girls. If you like white girls, I don't recommend the Bay. For what you are quoting, it's true and it's why I prefer not to hangout in SF besides the fact that I don't like how filthy and chaotic it is.

Post: #161

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  These new guys are gunning for 4's and 5's due to their own low self-evaluation; 4's and 5's line up dates with these guys through online dating sites and attain the status they've always dreamed of.

LOL. The 4's a 5's don't think they're 6's and 7s. By virtue of the nature of the sexual market in sf, THEY ARE 6's AND 7's. It's a reflection of the massive #s of dating-age straight men vs dating age straight women here.

There simply aren't enough 7,8,9s to go around. It's not about the guys' poor self-evaluation - even if you transformed every single guy here into an alpha male pimp, the women wouldn't improve their looks much, because they still wouldn't have to, because there are 10x the number of men. It's the sheer volume of men that's the real issue.

To combat the problem, I simply avoid SF girls and date girls that are in town, or from east bay. Or meet marina girls. But really there are enough hot girls in the east bay to go around. Every time I'm hanging around my SF neighborhood with a girl from Oakland/Alameda, Berk or Hayward, the "alpha" guys in my neighborhood gawk with their tongues out, because they just aren't accustomed to seeing hot girls. She might not even be that hot, but dudes eyes will pop out of their head because she's skinny and has a good body and there's just not an abundance of that here.

Post: #162

^ If a guy is an "alpha male pimp" he would not even look at 4's or 5's let alone most 7's.

If every guy had their shit together they wouldn't even talk to these chicks they'd be concentrating on $ and moving the hell out. Therefore there'd be a market correction due to girls not even getting eye contact let alone orbiters. Those guys popping their eyes out at a 6 aren't alphas. They are thirsty guys without the balls to escape a prison they made for themselves. It is so easy to move to a new place within the U.S. to find a job there isn't an excuse. The only excuse is if you are making bank in S.F. and are planning an exit. If you are that guy your eyes aren't popping out at any skinny chick, because you've done better and know it.

You aren't a player if you go around fucking 5's, you are a dumpster diver. There is a huge difference.

Post: #163

(03-17-2015 01:31 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  If every guy had their shit together they wouldn't even talk to these chicks they'd be concentrating on $ and moving the hell out.

That's the trade-off as guys have been saying on here in the SF threads for years. You can make $200K a few years out of college here. Try doing that in LA or San Diego.

But you need to live here to do that. Places like Google and Apple and fb have incentive-laden stock-option and retirement and 401k benefits that don't start vesting for 5-8 years. You aren't coming in here and making a few million in 5 years and then leaving. You think these companies became the richest in America by being that stupid?

The trade off is you live with a scarcity of hot girls. As XII said above, there used to be way more hot girls here even 2-3 years ago, but now they can't afford to live here. A 1 bedroom apt in a crappy part of the city is $3000. How many hot girls working "hot girl" jobs you know can afford that? Add to that, because of the scarcity, basically every guy here is now into fashion and fitness and lifestyle so as to compete for what hot girls there are in the city.

Also, following Roosh's busted dude's test, you literally never see a mediocre dude here with a hot girl, like you often see in LA. A hot girl is usually running around with a guy that hits most of the lifestyle points we talk about here on RVF, fashion, fitness, style, grooming etc.

Post: #164

I'm only here to start making six figures before I even turn 25. You just have to harvest the tourist traps or pick the gentrified neighborhoods. Like Giovonny said, the San Francisco pan-liberal demographic is a stereotype. Only the Ashbury, Haight and Castro are ultra-liberal. Pound for pound, Berkeley, Portland, Seattle and Toronto are way fruitier. I just met a filthy rich, sweet Lutheran girl who lives in Diamond Heights; her parents are sitting on a house worth maybe $3 million, they're probably not Clintonites. It's no coincidence that the 1.4 billion people in China still refer to it as the Golden Mountain, so just use the clout of the city to get where you need.

Once I graduate I'll start the "Alcatraz Dread Game" datasheet. I heard those gift shop handcuffs are pretty sturdy.

Post: #165

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  I left SF in 2012 and returned last month. Here are my findings from going out the last two weeks.

-In 2010-2012 there were a lot of cute girls walking around all parts of the city. No longer. In mainland SF (Mission, Haight, SOMA, etc) it's 4's and 5's that think they are 8's, and 7's think they are celebrities. Young women major in Psychology and don't make a lot of money; they've fled San Francisco en masse the last three years due to skyrocketing rents and have been replaced by hordes of engineers and nerds. These new guys are gunning for 4's and 5's due to their own low self-evaluation; 4's and 5's line up dates with these guys through online dating sites and attain the status they've always dreamed of. These girls are ugly ducklings who believe they have finally transformed into swans, while still looking like ugly ducklings. It's bizarre. My dude friends in SF fawn over girls with zero sex appeal and it's disgusting. 7's look at 4's and 5's with extremely active social lives, and up their own prices accordingly. They cloister themselves away in tight-knit social circles.

-You used to be able to stand out in SF just by dressing well. No longer. Guys here have taken to wearing suits and blazers, perhaps in response to the brutal dating scene and the paucity of intriguing women.

-People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

-The Marina is awesome. Hordes of babes everywhere. It's the only place unaffected by the exodus; rich girls have always had their parents subsidizing their rent. I have not ever thought of myself as a Marina guy, but I hang out there a lot now. Talk to girls during the day as you go about your business, not at night when they are closed off due to all the lame drunk guys from Fremont who drove there to party.

I'm floored by the discussion of SF being as lame as it is, but now it makes sense. I always thought hell, since probably half the city is gay it can't be that bad for a straight guy. I was there around 2012ish and recall someone saying if you have any interest in the female anatomy this city is easy, blah blah blah.

But.....throw in all the thirsty nerds and engineer geeks with money moving in and there you have it. Glad to learn it now since I was just pinged for a possible long term work opportunity there. Have to think this one through.

Post: #166

(03-18-2015 09:20 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  But.....throw in all the thirsty nerds and engineer geeks with money moving in and there you have it. Glad to learn it now since I was just pinged for a possible long term work opportunity there. Have to think this one through.

Haha, don't forgo career advancement just based on what you're reading here! The Bay's a great place to work and it's not hard to hook up. The negatives have been given more weight on this thread, but there are a good number of positives regarding SF:

-When you and a girl like each other, the hookup is usually downhill. In other cities you have to deal with logistics and cockblocks, in SF not so much. Logistics aren't an issue in SF because it's a small city and her place is nearby, and in my experience cockblocking isn't all that frequent. In most cities half the time I am talking to a girl her friend will materialize out of nowhere and drag her away, but in SF the other girl will just play with her phone and politely saunter off. Other guys can chime in with their experiences, but that's been mine.

-There's a definable undercurrent of hedonism in SF.

-Your dates can be cheap. Burritos, bagged up Jim Beam and walking around.

-Zara suits kill here, and it's suit weather year-round. If you wear a suit in some other cities you'll look like an alien, but in SF the look fits the personality of the city and works well.

-Bars and venues are clustered together; you can go through a dozen places very quickly on Polk, Chestnut, or in the Mission to look for a good spot. Upon entering a bar, I don't park anywhere, I make my way to the bathroom and on the way I see if any attractive girls are checking me out (I'm not a cold approach kind of guy.). If I don't get any bites, I just walk out, walk to the next venue two doors down and repeat. If you do this and are good at reading signals you'll eventually get something.

But really, just visit here for a week and see how you like it.

Post: #167

(03-17-2015 01:15 PM)Stun Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  These new guys are gunning for 4's and 5's due to their own low self-evaluation; 4's and 5's line up dates with these guys through online dating sites and attain the status they've always dreamed of.

LOL. The 4's a 5's don't think they're 6's and 7s. By virtue of the nature of the sexual market in sf, THEY ARE 6's AND 7's. It's a reflection of the massive #s of dating-age straight men vs dating age straight women here.

There simply aren't enough 7,8,9s to go around. It's not about the guys' poor self-evaluation - even if you transformed every single guy here into an alpha male pimp, the women wouldn't improve their looks much, because they still wouldn't have to, because there are 10x the number of men. It's the sheer volume of men that's the real issue.

To combat the problem, I simply avoid SF girls and date girls that are in town, or from east bay. Or meet marina girls. But really there are enough hot girls in the east bay to go around. Every time I'm hanging around my SF neighborhood with a girl from Oakland/Alameda, Berk or Hayward, the "alpha" guys in my neighborhood gawk with their tongues out, because they just aren't accustomed to seeing hot girls. She might not even be that hot, but dudes eyes will pop out of their head because she's skinny and has a good body and there's just not an abundance of that here.

Good post, I agree with all of it.

Friday I was in SF, and went to a venue that used to be good to me. Went inside, was greeted by rugby practice:
http://i.imgur.com/BC3wP0L.jpg
Went to Cat Club, which had also been good to me, same deal.

Saturday I spent all day and night in Oakland. I hit up a cafe and was the only guy there... like 10 girls to 1 guy. Got bored there, went to another one and it was 80/20 girls to guys. Went to a bar, it was about 50-50. Later hit up a warehouse party, 50-50 again. Got a # from a girl in the line to the bathroom, and later saw an Asian guy approach an 8 on the dancefloor. Saw them later in the smoking room making out, his hand on her bewb. The girls are in Oakland now.

Post: #168

^ Good God that photo. I couldn't wake up in the morning to work hard if I went out at night to see that.

Post: #169

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  -People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

This is extremely true. I have discussed this with attractive girls here. I've had them show me their Tinder profiles where they immediately get a "match" with any guy they "swipe" but when I ask them how often normal decent looking guys approach them in real life the answer is rarely or never and they are aching for it.

Also, now that spring is here I've noticed substantially more cute girls around in recent weeks. Even in a place with hardly any seasonal change in weather and a population of what can be fairly characterized as mediocre girls, spring really does feel like banging season.

Post: #170

Hey Biologist,

When I first moved to SF a wise man told me: "If you know how to dress here, women will attack you." Truer words were never spoken.

A stylishly well-dressed guy with a boring American accent will destroy an Aussie in average clothing here. But if you have both? You'll kill it out here!

As far as meeting people, if you're 30 yo or younger, try to stay at the USA hostel on Post and Jones st. There are always tons of people staying there and they organize meetup groups several nights a week where you can go out with large mix of foreigners and locals for drinks.

USA Hostel: http://www.usahostels.com/locations/san-francisco/ 711 Post St, San Francisco, CA 94109

Friday night beer with locals and hostelers: http://www.meetup.com/SanFranciscoHostel...220158130/

Saturday hike with locals: http://www.meetup.com/Urban-Hiking-Happy...220884073/

Weekday Pub crawl with travelers: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Rand.../84024272/
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I just got back from San Francisco this past weekend. I went to the Weekday pub crawl. The guy - girl ratio must have been 1:8. Ridiculous with low quality - combo of recent moves to the city and tourists. However, the OP is straight on as far as this activity offering high likelihood of getting laid (I did). The average dude was dressed in a soccer jersey and jeans - it's not hard to stand out and the girls are independent to be at such an event. I would have gone to a weekend event a couple of days later but wanted to aim higher regarding quality, but that turned out to be a bad bet for me.

Post: #171

(03-24-2015 07:46 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  -People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

This is extremely true. I have discussed this with attractive girls here. I've had them show me their Tinder profiles where they immediately get a "match" with any guy they "swipe" but when I ask them how often normal decent looking guys approach them in real life the answer is rarely or never and they are aching for it.

Also, now that spring is here I've noticed substantially more cute girls around in recent weeks. Even in a place with hardly any seasonal change in weather and a population of what can be fairly characterized as mediocre girls, spring really does feel like banging season.

SF has a weird culture. You're not supposed make anyone else uncomfortable, ever; which means that you're never supposed to talk to or look at anyone else. You don't have permission.

I can give a good example of this. Last year I was with some friends at a bar in the Mission called the Black Cat. We were all in a booth. Two girls were sitting at the bar talking to each other, and I notice a guy wearing a peacoat walk up to their left and linger. It's a guilty pleasure of mine to watch guys approach girls, so I could see that he was gathering up the nerve. He taps one of them on the shoulder and she turns to him.

All of the sudden, I hear a bellow, "DID YOU TOUCH HER. THERE'S NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR. NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR." It was the bartender, a tall punkish dude with sideburns, losing his shit. He jumps over the bar, takes Peacoat by the shoulders and drags him to the front door. Then the huge bouncer picks him up, and literally tosses him into the street. This all happened quickly, maybe 10 seconds.

I looked at my friends. "Did you just see that?" And they all said, "Yeah, he was being a creep and bothering her." I said, "No, he just tapped her on the shoulder. That's it. I saw it all." They were all adamant that he was harassing her and that the move was justified. In all the years I'd known these guys I've never seen them approach any girls, and any dates they'd ever gotten were from OKCupid.

I've noticed there are a lot of people from the Bay on these forums. You really have to detox from the heavily-indoctrined SF mentality that it's not ok to bother or talk to strangers, to even try approaching. Approaching girls was really uphill for me, until I moved to another city where the norms don't make everyone freakishly insular and it's more acceptable and expected that you talk to people you don't know.

Post: #172

^ Wow.

Post: #173

(03-26-2015 12:03 AM)XII Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:46 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  -People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

This is extremely true. I have discussed this with attractive girls here. I've had them show me their Tinder profiles where they immediately get a "match" with any guy they "swipe" but when I ask them how often normal decent looking guys approach them in real life the answer is rarely or never and they are aching for it.

Also, now that spring is here I've noticed substantially more cute girls around in recent weeks. Even in a place with hardly any seasonal change in weather and a population of what can be fairly characterized as mediocre girls, spring really does feel like banging season.

SF has a weird culture. You're not supposed make anyone else uncomfortable, ever; which means that you're never supposed to talk to or look at anyone else. You don't have permission.

I can give a good example of this. Last year I was with some friends at a bar in the Mission called the Black Cat. We were all in a booth. Two girls were sitting at the bar talking to each other, and I notice a guy wearing a peacoat walk up to their left and linger. It's a guilty pleasure of mine to watch guys approach girls, so I could see that he was gathering up the nerve. He taps one of them on the shoulder and she turns to him.

All of the sudden, I hear a bellow, "DID YOU TOUCH HER. THERE'S NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR. NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR." It was the bartender, a tall punkish dude with sideburns, losing his shit. He jumps over the bar, takes Peacoat by the shoulders and drags him to the front door. Then the huge bouncer picks him up, and literally tosses him into the street. This all happened quickly, maybe 10 seconds.

I looked at my friends. "Did you just see that?" And they all said, "Yeah, he was being a creep and bothering her." I said, "No, he just tapped her on the shoulder. That's it. I saw it all." They were all adamant that he was harassing her and that the move was justified. In all the years I'd known these guys I've never seen them approach any girls, and any dates they'd ever gotten were from OKCupid.

I've noticed there are a lot of people from the Bay on these forums. You really have to detox from the heavily-indoctrined SF mentality that it's not ok to bother or talk to strangers, to even try approaching. Approaching girls was really uphill for me, until I moved to another city where the norms don't make everyone freakishly insular and it's more acceptable and expected that you talk to people you don't know.

Damn dude... I was born and raised here and I've never seen that. I just know every bitch has her face buried into her iPhone and even a split second of eye contact is intimidating. I was at jury duty today and there was a Latina sitting right in front of me, in the press box in the courtroom; she was literally seven feet away from the judge who had the power to decide if she would have to stay for a month. She had her face buried in her phone the whole time, while the judge was explaining the delicacies of the case. I bet the judge wanted to smack that phone right out of her hands with the gavel.

Post: #174

(03-26-2015 12:54 AM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 12:03 AM)XII Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:46 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  -People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

This is extremely true. I have discussed this with attractive girls here. I've had them show me their Tinder profiles where they immediately get a "match" with any guy they "swipe" but when I ask them how often normal decent looking guys approach them in real life the answer is rarely or never and they are aching for it.

Also, now that spring is here I've noticed substantially more cute girls around in recent weeks. Even in a place with hardly any seasonal change in weather and a population of what can be fairly characterized as mediocre girls, spring really does feel like banging season.

SF has a weird culture. You're not supposed make anyone else uncomfortable, ever; which means that you're never supposed to talk to or look at anyone else. You don't have permission.

I can give a good example of this. Last year I was with some friends at a bar in the Mission called the Black Cat. We were all in a booth. Two girls were sitting at the bar talking to each other, and I notice a guy wearing a peacoat walk up to their left and linger. It's a guilty pleasure of mine to watch guys approach girls, so I could see that he was gathering up the nerve. He taps one of them on the shoulder and she turns to him.

All of the sudden, I hear a bellow, "DID YOU TOUCH HER. THERE'S NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR. NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR." It was the bartender, a tall punkish dude with sideburns, losing his shit. He jumps over the bar, takes Peacoat by the shoulders and drags him to the front door. Then the huge bouncer picks him up, and literally tosses him into the street. This all happened quickly, maybe 10 seconds.

I looked at my friends. "Did you just see that?" And they all said, "Yeah, he was being a creep and bothering her." I said, "No, he just tapped her on the shoulder. That's it. I saw it all." They were all adamant that he was harassing her and that the move was justified. In all the years I'd known these guys I've never seen them approach any girls, and any dates they'd ever gotten were from OKCupid.

I've noticed there are a lot of people from the Bay on these forums. You really have to detox from the heavily-indoctrined SF mentality that it's not ok to bother or talk to strangers, to even try approaching. Approaching girls was really uphill for me, until I moved to another city where the norms don't make everyone freakishly insular and it's more acceptable and expected that you talk to people you don't know.

Damn dude... I was born and raised here and I've never seen that. I just know every bitch has her face buried into her iPhone and even a split second of eye contact is intimidating. I was at jury duty today and there was a Latina sitting right in front of me, in the press box in the courtroom; she was literally seven feet away from the judge who had the power to decide if she would have to stay for a month. She had her face buried in her phone the whole time, while the judge was explaining the delicacies of the case. I bet the judge wanted to smack that phone right out of her hands with the gavel.

I really want to see a youtube prank video in which some dude dresses up like a judge, walks around City Hall like he owns the place, and smacks strangers' phones out of their hands with a gavel.

That story I posted was probably a very rare event, but my point is that the culture in SF has guys being scared to death of being considered creepy. Baristas and checkout guys are wearing this shirt:


How dare you talk to chick you don't know. Only creeps do that.

Again, it's a weird culture, totally far from normal. The places that are an exception are the Marina/Polk/North Beach, that whole area.

Post: #175

(03-26-2015 12:03 AM)XII Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:46 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 08:16 PM)XII Wrote:  -People don't make eye contact with one another. Cold approaches with no IOI's are met with surprising receptivity, just because girls are relieved to be finally experiencing human, non-cell-phone interactions.

This is extremely true. I have discussed this with attractive girls here. I've had them show me their Tinder profiles where they immediately get a "match" with any guy they "swipe" but when I ask them how often normal decent looking guys approach them in real life the answer is rarely or never and they are aching for it.

Also, now that spring is here I've noticed substantially more cute girls around in recent weeks. Even in a place with hardly any seasonal change in weather and a population of what can be fairly characterized as mediocre girls, spring really does feel like banging season.

SF has a weird culture. You're not supposed make anyone else uncomfortable, ever; which means that you're never supposed to talk to or look at anyone else. You don't have permission.

I can give a good example of this. Last year I was with some friends at a bar in the Mission called the Black Cat. We were all in a booth. Two girls were sitting at the bar talking to each other, and I notice a guy wearing a peacoat walk up to their left and linger. It's a guilty pleasure of mine to watch guys approach girls, so I could see that he was gathering up the nerve. He taps one of them on the shoulder and she turns to him.

All of the sudden, I hear a bellow, "DID YOU TOUCH HER. THERE'S NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR. NO TOUCHING AT MY BAR." It was the bartender, a tall punkish dude with sideburns, losing his shit. He jumps over the bar, takes Peacoat by the shoulders and drags him to the front door. Then the huge bouncer picks him up, and literally tosses him into the street. This all happened quickly, maybe 10 seconds.

I looked at my friends. "Did you just see that?" And they all said, "Yeah, he was being a creep and bothering her." I said, "No, he just tapped her on the shoulder. That's it. I saw it all." They were all adamant that he was harassing her and that the move was justified. In all the years I'd known these guys I've never seen them approach any girls, and any dates they'd ever gotten were from OKCupid.

I've noticed there are a lot of people from the Bay on these forums. You really have to detox from the heavily-indoctrined SF mentality that it's not ok to bother or talk to strangers, to even try approaching. Approaching girls was really uphill for me, until I moved to another city where the norms don't make everyone freakishly insular and it's more acceptable and expected that you talk to people you don't know.

I think we are missing something here, it does not make sense at all. I'm local and been to many bars and clubs around in the mission and other part of the bay. Never experienced anything like that. However, there was one time in the nightclub, the security entered the dance floor and warned some guys who were bothering the girls and asked them to leave. That does not mean SF has weird culture, I have seen worst bouncers in the NYC clubs.

But I do agree that SF sucks in many ways compared to other cities.