Post: #26

(02-28-2015 06:55 PM)civpro Wrote:  ^ And how do you achieve that without being a millionaire?

We know how to cold approach...

In 2011 alot of highly connected people wanted to align with me because my social circle consisted of 95% tall women. Eventually I had 1 guy I used to hangout with. Some venues thought I was a model scout so I was able to roll in solo with no girls no matter the night. (NYE $300 minimums, rolled right in 5am)

Almost all the people I know at some point built their lifestyle up through cold approaching. One guy in particular "claims" to have 600+ models in his phone alot were met through daygame. Ironically enough, before I knew him I asked my boy "who is that guy" because he was eating full blown entrees at brunch with 3 supermodel looking chicks. Turns out the 2nd hottest table was his friend who also does daygame.

None of these guys are community guys just guys who understood that "men love hot women" so they hold the key to many men social/sex life.

Money is the worst avenue to take because you become a "client" so take the oscars for instance, manager of 1Oak in LA is a guy I used to party with. On his FB he said he was selling tables $10k, you could do that and have an awesome night OR you could have an actual "connect" showing up with some girls and he'll whisk you right at a table to get taken care of.

In the past I was "solid" green light as in venues were thankful for me being their...Then I got crazy and now in a "gray" area where I need to do some damage control at my fav venues.

That said, I'm far from a millionarie and have a ridiculous connect for south of france and Milan.

(02-28-2015 11:25 PM)Patrickstar Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 04:01 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  he did say when he was younger he used to hookup with alot of models, he got interested in nightlife because of hot women.

are you talking about the guy in the pic?

anyways he looks like an interesting guy. is there a reason why his interactions are 2-3 mins long?

Yep...

Reason he has short interactions is because there is so many people he hasn't met and who he's met. I actually do the samething, I rarely stick with the same person for more than 5mins in any given time. (Only when actively living it up, on my downtime I just try to hang amongst friends)

It allows me to clean up each night while others are deep in isolate for 2 hours with a chick who will be going home alone and eventually stop responding by week 3

Life goes very fast when in 1 night 8 new girls are in your life.

Post: #27

No, not you, the guy in the picture. What does he do for a living?

Post: #28

Awesome story DL. It must take a certain type of personality to be able to move so easily and quickly amongst so a diverse set of people.

I am an introvert and do not think It would be suited to me. I can socialize very effectively and it is actually part of my job. But doing it at your level. May be beyond my energy level.

Maybe that is self limiting. Not sure.

Post: #29

What part of Greece and if it's Athens what part of Athens?

Post: #30

I'll respond because I see a lot of commonalities between you and I. I am black American, started day game in May 2010, have gone day gaming with white guys, have completed over 3,000 day game approaches. I also live in a country (the United States) where black guys are not the top choice for long term interracial dating and marriage, especially not in the city I live in. I am also close to being 30.

1. Getting one date from day game for every 40-50 approaches is common for me as well. A lot of women have boyfriends, you are not their type, they are not your type, etc. However, it depends on how you are meeting the women. If you are meeting women on the street, then yes, that is normal. Street approaches are hard because the woman usually is going somewhere. You will have a lower rejection rate if you meet women who aren't moving. So if you are meeting women on the street, try meeting women at bookstores, coffeeshops and malls. In those type of venues, the women aren't in a rush usually and are usually more open to talking. I have also found since Tinder a lot of women are flakier. Before tinder, if a woman from day game agreed via text message to a date it was guaranteed. Now, women are more open to canceling.

2. I don't know you or know what you look like but let's get with the basics. How is your fashion, your body language, do you talk fast, do you have interesting things to say, are you leading the interaction? Make sure you got the basics down in your game.

3. Let's say that you are already doing everything I suggested. You are meeting women in coffeeshops, malls, and other places where women aren't moving. You look at yourself and believe that you are a good catch. You look good, have interesting hobbies, can carry on a conversation, etc. Then you just have to move.

4. A lot of dating comes down to demographics. If the girls in your area aren't interested in meeting a guy like you, you are going to struggle no matter how great a guy you are. Let's use some analogies. You are selling a brand of cheap beer and you go to a church full of nuns, it doesn't matter how great the beer is, it is not going to sell because nuns do not drink beer. But if you took that same beer to a bunch of college students, it would sell instantly. Or a lot of us have been to bars where the girls are not feeling us for whatever reason, but we have gone to a bar just down the street and the girls love us. It is the same thing when it comes to cities. In one city the girls may not like you at all but you go to the next city and the girls love you. A lot of so called naturals, are not naturals in the sense that all girls are attracted to them, they have just found a niche of girls that are looking for a guy like them and all they have to do is not mess it up. And why work harder to get laid when you can do less work and get laid? Just relocate and find a city where the girls like you. You don't have to travel to some far country, but try a different city in the country that you are currently living in. In the United States there are some cities where it is easier to date than others. That is probably true in the country you're living in as well, so try that.

Post: #31

(03-01-2015 04:24 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 11:25 PM)Patrickstar Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 04:01 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  he did say when he was younger he used to hookup with alot of models, he got interested in nightlife because of hot women.

are you talking about the guy in the pic?

anyways he looks like an interesting guy. is there a reason why his interactions are 2-3 mins long?

Yep...

Reason he has short interactions is because there is so many people he hasn't met and who he's met. I actually do the samething, I rarely stick with the same person for more than 5mins in any given time. (Only when actively living it up, on my downtime I just try to hang amongst friends)

It allows me to clean up each night while others are deep in isolate for 2 hours with a chick who will be going home alone and eventually stop responding by week 3

Life goes very fast when in 1 night 8 new girls are in your life.

is his friend(the 45 yr old) the same way?

Post: #32

OP......there is a direct correlation between one's success online and their success in field. If you are telling me you are complete shit at online then I have to think you are complete shit in field. Show me someone who is good in field that is not good online ? I haven't seen it. Looks matters.

the advent of online dating has made daygame impossible. You will be wasting your time. Daygame also is the least socially acceptable way to meet a girl from her point of view. Even if she likes you, she will reject you because daygame has the highest threshold of stranger effect.

OP the answer is quite frankly what most of your american bretheren face in todays age. The woman you want you can't get. You need to accept this and increase your SMV and in the meantime bang fatties

1) Increase your status/wealth. May take couple years.

2) You need to get a social circle. This is where men can date "up" so to speak and women become less superficial. It is the truest form of an instance where "personality matters" and you can grow on chicks. Comfort/time is a component of attraction.

3) Re-look at online....it's much more time efficient than daygame and I posit the quality of chicks from daygame you will be able to get are not hot...and are sluts. You need to join a pay site. Free sites blow and are impossible. Look at the online thread posted recently about pictures. Accept what you can get with your looks.

---OP I would also add if you want to still do some cold approaching do night game. Your success of obtaining a lay from a higher quality chick will be higher from night game, simply because of the fact if you catch her at the right time and are good at escalating and introducing sexual tension you at least have a shot of a lay that you would not have at daygame....if you still want to do daygame make it some type of social function /volunteer type thing where you have a common interest to be there as the chick

Post: #33

(03-01-2015 04:41 PM)civpro Wrote:  No, not you, the guy in the picture. What does he do for a living?

From what I last remember he owns one of those health juice/smoothie spots...

However, I know in the past he was partnered with different nightlife dudes...

Not sure what his "title" was but I always viewed him as a "host" although he clearly had "pull" to actually seem more like a manager. (So he may have had stake in the club) Back in 2011, when I was 1st building this lifestyle (in 2011) he was affiliated with 2 clubs which is how I ended up seeing him alot.

Haven't seen him in maybe 1-2 years BUT a community dude I know who came to NY said while he stumbled upon a brunch party he ended up meeting this awesome old dude who turned out to be guy in picture.

(03-01-2015 06:07 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  Awesome story DL. It must take a certain type of personality to be able to move so easily and quickly amongst so a diverse set of people.

I am an introvert and do not think It would be suited to me. I can socialize very effectively and it is actually part of my job. But doing it at your level. May be beyond my energy level.

Maybe that is self limiting. Not sure.

I'm introverted myself, as in I really value my alone time and can go months without speaking to no one without care. (Right now, haven't been out in 3 weeks) I fully realized this when the 2nd girl ever I brought back to my house, when we woke up I just had a strong desire for her to leave so I can chill alone.

However, when "out" I like to have alot of fun and just have crazy experiences...

What really got me hooked is when I built a social circle of girls only who were INSANE. Lets just say for my friends b-day one of our girls got him a hotel for the weekend...
- Each night we had an after party
- I was under the covers in bed with a chick eating her (very drunk) didn't even know EVERYONE was in room partying
- Hotel guests kept complaining (I think that was over the top though)
- Drug dealer followed the group on the 2nd night
- Friend ended up running around naked in the hotel (no clue why, that was same night I was under the covers drunk out my mind)

In the end, I knew I could never have a roommate, the would have to be able to tolerate lots socializing especially with lots of girls. It was so normal to just bring girls back to the place, was my 1st time experiencing good logistics.

Post: #34

I can relate to OP
I know I'll get shit for this but as a guy who use to do approach shit ton, I did daygame as well in a small white town (Wisconsin)

DL can vouch for me that I'm not some KBJ

It left a bad taste in my mouth, I went out with other guys who were white and whilst it was fun I experienced stuff like

--white women with that deer in the headlights look (brothers know what I'm talking about)

--White women clutching their purses

--Security being called on me at the mall

--Women running away from me


I have no problem at night but during the day it's different.....

I'm not trying to be a Debbie downer but gaming/approaching in a white town where there is a lot of social pressure for white women not to date a black guy is not an easy task. Only time I daygame is at festivals/beaches or something. I stopped daygaming at malls a longtime ago

here is a bit more of my experience





like I said kudos and respect for any brothers that actively daygame at malls and what not. I have tons of respect for y'all

Post: #35

Daygame takes a bit of experience to master as women most of the time would be caught off-guard by a random guy approaching them in the day. But picking up women in Daygame is easier than Nightgame from my experience as women tend to have lower bitch shields. And daygame is great in an enviroment like the Beach, where people are looking to have a good time. And just being a fun guy would capture a woman's interest.

The best piece of advice is to just keep it casual, have interesting hobbies/goals, and then go for the number/keep contact/escalate when the woman is comfortable with you.

As a Black Guy. I know how hard it is to Daygame White, Asian, and Latina women. Especially considering the negative stereotypes Black men have. But you must always believe that there are a few women out there for you, and to have the inner game to believe you are a great catch.

Post: #36

Update:

I tried daygaming a couple of days ago. A few approaches, no success. Nothing to write home about really, you need a good sample of approaches in order to make conclusions. One thing I have realized is which women to target and where to find them. I've also got a wingman that I'll be gaming with next week. I plan on drinking some alcohol beforehand to loosen me up and make my approach inhibition go away. If I can bang out 20-30 approaches per session, I think I should be ready to make conclusions after about 5 sessions. I think the combination of alcohol to loosen me up + a wingman to help my moral and push each other forward and have fun, will give me the best set up I can have. I know I'll be approaching and that's been the biggest hurdle. Once I can bang out many approaches, I'm sure something will stick. It's going to be a long slog but when you're black and below average looking, what can you do.

Post: #37

Daygame is easier than online game for those who aren't elite looking.

You are a real person to this girl, not just a photo and some text on a screen. That alone is worth a lot.

I don't know what you're doing with daygame, but it should be something you do anytime, anywhere. You're out and about in your day, you will inevitably see some cute girls during your daily routine right?

You can meet girls on the train or bus. You can meet girls in line at a store, at a park, at a cafe, anywhere.

I have never really "gone out to daygame" as much as I would just talk to cute girls who I saw during my day.

One experiment you should do, and do this with everyone, is simply saying "Hello" or "How are you" or "Good morning" to everyone with whom you meet eyes. Often in public you're walking and make eye contact with someone, it should become instinctive for you to simply greet this person. It will make meeting people, not just girls but anyone, easier as you will approach people socially by instinct.

Post: #38

OP have you tried changing and experimenting with different wardrobes/looks?

How do you DHV to girls?

Have you tried looking into "niches" that could boost your status i.e. bar tending, starting a band, club promoting etc?

Answering those questions could give an accurate depiction of where you are at and what could boost your game going forward.

Post: #39

(02-27-2015 02:28 AM)bpryce Wrote:  I did daygame for a while a few years ago - pre tinder/okc etc explosion.

I think its fairly safe to say that 90+% of single women will be on these sites these days. Back then (2011ish) i was able to get a fair few dates. A few lays here and there but i had poor logistics so not as many as i could have with better logistics. I had 2 LTRs also.

I faced tons of rejection though. Lots of flakes. Probably got one date for every 50 approaches. I plowed on though because i had some success early and i knew how good it could be when we both clicked.

Im in a position now where im 30 years old so looking a bit older, and cant get women online. Im black too in a fairly white country.

I dont know if i will get honest answers here but daygame is quite tough for me and pretty much every wingman ive met. However, i can cope with 1/50 dates. Im looking for a LTR. Problem is, in my mind i feel as though the girls im approaching have better options a click away,whereas before when i was daygaming they would have had to meet guys in work/clubs etc.

Ultimately im not sure its going to work. I guess the only way to find out is to try but i was hoping to get honest opinions if there are any guys that daygame. If it was easy to pull women from daygame i guess a lotnof guys on here would have different mentalities, if an abundance of women was possible that easily.

My feeling is that its going to be tons harder and possibly undoable due to a high rejection rate. I know i wont be able to plow through a huge rejection rate and it will get to me if ik not seeing results. Im guessing the replies will be urging me to give it a try for 50 approaches which i may do.

Bryce, A better question - per your title - might have been :::

"Is getting women online doable if you cant daygame nowadays?

^^^^ This is a much more pertinent, order of importance. Online gaming and technology only adds layers to peel back before the meat of your game is revealed.
Day game is the Creme Delacroixm, why? Because much like jujitsu skills usefulness, every fight ends on the ground, conscious or not.

Every online conversation's goal is to eventually get the women in front of you. Online game comes naturally if you're already good face2face, in a practical day setting.

Post: #40

(03-06-2015 03:41 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Daygame is easier than online game for those who aren't elite looking.

You are a real person to this girl, not just a photo and some text on a screen. That alone is worth a lot.

I don't know what you're doing with daygame, but it should be something you do anytime, anywhere. You're out and about in your day, you will inevitably see some cute girls during your daily routine right?

You can meet girls on the train or bus. You can meet girls in line at a store, at a park, at a cafe, anywhere.

I have never really "gone out to daygame" as much as I would just talk to cute girls who I saw during my day.

One experiment you should do, and do this with everyone, is simply saying "Hello" or "How are you" or "Good morning" to everyone with whom you meet eyes. Often in public you're walking and make eye contact with someone, it should become instinctive for you to simply greet this person. It will make meeting people, not just girls but anyone, easier as you will approach people socially by instinct.

Sunsowey I have talked about this as well as Noir on this thread extensively. And I agree wholeheartedly your idea is the way to go. I am an introvert and I have found this a much more enjoyable and sucessful.

However the OP seems to insist on a very analytical numbers based, go out and daygame type of approach. Get a little drunk, and have a wing-man for support and then crash and burn through it and then crunch some the numbers and analyze some more.

You can lead a horse to water...

Post: #41

Get your inner game fundamentals right first. Without tight inner game you're always sitting on a shaky mental foundation. If you're looking for women to validate yourself, you'll be in trouble. Game is a mental bloodsport.

There's always haters in the world who'll cockblock you, whether you're in Minnesota, Greece or South Africa. Just check out the Everything Else race thread section or any Yahoo comments page remember these are the same folks who'll try to sabotage your shit in real life.

With tight inner game, and solid life fundamentals, the haters don't have a leg to stand on. Your tight inner frame and success is like shining beam on coackroaches. Foreign girls, even as far as Greece are down for a man, especially a black dude with tight game who's got his ducks in a row.

It all starts from within.

Personally I haven't daygamed outside of university campus areas for a while now. I find nightgame has a far better ROI than daygame for an ethnic dude. Online is underrated in these parts, and while I'm not sure about your area, I find my results online have been excellent in multiple cities, much better than day game by miles. You might want to check out the tinder and okc threads on the forum. It took me a long time to get the formula right but once I did it was autopilot from there. Much of the topic has been discussed ad nauseum, and there's quite a few solid threads with golden info that I can attest even helped me fine tune my own particular way of gaming.

Post: #42

(03-02-2015 08:36 PM)Thesoloist Wrote:  I'm not trying to be a Debbie downer but gaming/approaching in a white town where there is a lot of social pressure for white women not to date a black guy is not an easy task. Only time I daygame is at festivals/beaches or something. I stopped daygaming at malls a longtime ago

here is a bit more of my experience





like I said kudos and respect for any brothers that actively daygame at malls and what not. I have tons of respect for y'all

It's a fucked up world that women pre-categorize you instantly just by your race or the way you look, but we all know that they are doing that.

One of my best friends is a black Norwegian - born there - he is Obama black if you know what I mean. He is 5'10 and had no trouble approaching girls in France, Germany, USA, Poland etc. - wherever I was with him.

That said I think in some areas in the US as well somewhere around the world it takes tremendous effort to break away from the racial profiling that women - our true racists (hehe) are doing.

Distant Light goes the route of being more Hipster-ish and running club Game mostly. I've heard of some black guys who started wearing glasses and dressing more like a Beta, to break the initial profiling from girls. As soon as you do that, you have a foot in your door.

   

Of course I would not discount the fact that in some cities or areas it gets almost too difficult to run certain kinds of Game.

What I noticed is that black guys have a more Lover-advantage as women categorize them quicker into the "fun-experience" niche - helpful during Night Game indeed - not so good, if you want a LTR. That's why some RVF members like Sourcecode have claimed that r-selected clothing (more lover not boyfriend vibe) is not necessary. Yeah - if you are a black guy, probably not. For all other races - yes most definitely necessary.

In any case - I think there is almost always a way, but yeah - sometimes you are better served focusing on Game that works in your area. If you are a short ugly dude, you are not going to run Night Game in clubs successfully, but need to find something else.

Post: #43

Most perceived negatives in game can with effort also be used as a positive.

Guys of a certain ethnicity (or look) might find there is less 'general attraction' for them compared to guys of another ethnicity. But guaranteed there is certain girls who are highly attracted to that look and who you have a huge advantage with. This might mean more effort up front to find out which girls are which but in the end you will get very solid attraction because you have matched her 'ideal' look. The more rarer you are in an environment the more work you might have to put in but the better the attraction from the girl who wants that look (BECAUSE you are more rare).

Same for height. If you are a smaller guy but you have great confidence it can be more powerful than the tall guy with confidence. 'He is not tall BUT he is still super confident - wow'. Think Tom Cruise and Al Pacino. By using your apparent negative and pushing through it you come out even stronger.

This requires great inner game and work ethic while the OP didn't seem to have much of either. If he is still reading I would suggest going out sober and solo and just facing things head on. Learning to day game drunk with your friend watching isn't going to help.