Post: #51

The forum provides plenty of club promoters to get you into the zone in the respected city. They might even babysit if you throw them a few drinks. Just look in the meet up section. We're here and always gonna help. The band of brothers looks after one another.

Post: #52

I really appreciate Fisto taking the time to write up a guide to accessing the club scene in Vegas. Standing alone, that would have been a very valuable datasheet for the forum.

On the other hand, making accusations based on alleged third party reports just results in a he said, he said situation.

If people are unsatisfied with the services that a particular person is providing, it's on them to make that public.

Fisto and McQueen are both highly repped members of this forum and plenty of other members who have met both of them have had positive things to say.

Obvious, McQueen has gone his own way with his forum, but he still has ties here and a thread like this just breeds drama with no resolution.

If members of this forum feel that they've been ripped off by anyone selling anything, they have to share their concerns themselves. Otherwise we get no where.

Post: #53

My humble halfway around the world advice for people who want to go to clubs in Vegas:

1- If youre solo or with few friends and dont want to pay for bottle service, buy pre-sales tickets. You can do it online on a few websites (not sure if its ok to post). Ive done that when i visited and pre-sales have their own shorter line and never had a problem. You can buy them at the club earlier in the day as well.

2- If you want to book a table, get in contact with one of the jackcolton hosts. I never did but friends went a few times and i told them about that site from my research and they used it and had no problems. They wont bring you girls or whatever, but theyll book the table, agree on prices before, and get a not so outrageous tip for it.




As for the dispute, i have no idea who anyone is but there are a few members who are so obviously fake/imaginary/scummy that im often confused how the very smart members of this forum still take them seriously.

Post: #54

As far as his club information, Fisto is 100% on point. Being in the hospitality industry, I've never had to try too hard to make the right contacts and get the hookups he's talking about. I had a post a while back about how to befriend managers in the hospitality industry, and Fisto's post is right in line with that.

I've ridden on the back of a scooter that Fisto was driving in Hanoi , so take what I say with a grain of salt. The guy has met enough members and been so thoroughly repped that any further vouching seems pointless, but I'll do it anyway. Fisto is one of the few people I know that genuinely gives a shit about integrity and holding people to their word, both on the forum and in real life. Some people might feel like this isn't the way to go about bringing awareness to a particular situation, but IMO the forum is better for his audacity to bring certain things to light. It's easy for "core members": highly repped guys that know each other in real life that regularly talk, text, and hang out and shoot the shit to share information that doesn't always see the light of day. There's a lot that doesn't get said on the forum. That may be a good thing, but the flip side of that is newer members or guys in the dark who might not otherwise get information that perhaps they should.

edit: another quick word about Vegas: there's nothing in the meetup section in the past 2 recent pages except some dude going to EDC. I'd be down for a Vegas meetup. I should have some good contacts in the next few weeks (hanging out with a private host tomorrow that I used to party with in L.A.)

Also, you don't need to go to clubs to get laid. There are girls crawling all over the casino. Hot asians at the buffet with chubby tits. I was in the game pit tonight watching Divorco murder a blackjack table while some meaty 6s were eyefucking me. Don't wait until the club to start approaching.

Post: #55

(02-25-2015 04:19 AM)Veloce Wrote:  Fisto is one of the few people I know that genuinely gives a shit about integrity and holding people to their word, both on the forum and in real life. Some people might feel like this isn't the way to go about bringing awareness to a particular situation, but IMO the forum is better for his audacity to bring certain things to light.

Fisto has been very frank and everything he's said about SEA is pretty factual according to my own experiences even when it paints him in a bad light. He was also an army ranger. Coming from a military family with multiple WW2 vets I still take the word of former reputable service members (esp grunts) way over the word of some random perfumed socialite. Steve Mcqueen is an ideal but just look at the name.Would the real Steve McQueen approve. Probably not, it's some faggot poser.

Post: #56

Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Post: #57

Thanks Fisto and others for sharing the Vegas 411.

Ok, before I post my questions, let me first add some value for my fellow low budget hunters. Marquee had EDC daytime pool party two weeks ago but cost around $80 so fuck that, but if you just posted up outside around 5:30-7pm there in cosmopolitan hotel, tons of honeys to go for as it ended around that time. This part is speculation but I'm assuming many day time pool parties have similar dynamics. So good hunting times are the hotel area outside the club exits from 5:30-7 for these Pool parties. Much better ROI than walking around casinos for that hour to find a cutie. Day game in my opinion also sucks in Vegas until later in afternoon, maybe around 3pm on up. (I foolishly went out at 11 am for a few hours and didn't find the density I wanted that one could find in say Manhattan Soho/times square)

So here are my questions to you local Vegas players:

How do you hit up all the prime clubs such as XS, Marquee and Hakkasan on a weekly basis on a budget? What value can a solo player bring to a host to make it worth his time? Just be his homey?

While I'll definitely check out Sunday industry nights, the largest number of girls that I saw were there on Saturday. Friday was decent too. Do you always have to roll with a big group to get the host hookup? How about for budget solo hunters or two wings? This can get pricey.

Lastly, any good recommendations for affordable monthly accommodation close to the strip? I'm thinking of living in Vegas part time myself but would need access to good clubs on Fridays and Saturdays to make it worthwhile.

Thanks in advance!

Post: #58

(02-25-2015 05:13 AM)Metzer Wrote:  Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Theyd definitely charge more. A LOT more id assume.

Any time theres a significant event the prices go up so i assume with this fight itll be way up.


Any advantage on going at that particular time?

Wouldnt the fight attract mostly guys anyway? I know itll be busier in general with loads more girls but i think the ratio will be skewed towards males.

That + way higher prices (did you book a hotel yet? cause those will be pricier too) + not coming to actually see the fight would make it seem like a not so favourable time to come. Unless youre huge boxing fans and want to be a part of the fuss i guess.

Post: #59

In short, I believe this is men just being men.

Shit like this happens all the time, and has happened since man decided to walk the earth. At this point, I'm sure it will become a race to the bottom with mud slinging and accusations across the table. Eventually, everyone will man up, settle, and that will be that.

Veloce alluded to the fact that a lot of chatter goes on off the forum and that's true, so yes while what Fisto said today may be a shock to some, it was something that I've heard directly from Fisto and through other members many months ago, whom I do not wish to mention, as they have not participated in this thread.

Conversely, I have also heard from other members, once again whom I don't wish to name, as they have not participated in this thread, that MCQ was in fact not like the account Fisto and other members have given. A character? Yes. A scam? No. Perhaps he's changed his personality? Perhaps he acts differently around different people? I'll refrain from casting judgement on someone I've never met. Certainly I have my intuition about what's going on here, but my ideas are speculative and ultimately irrelevant.

-I applaud Fisto for speaking his mind. Know you'll always get his honest opinion on something. Few men can say that.
-It's no surprise that MCQ fiercely defended himself.
-It seems logical that both men will meet, air their grievances and move on.

If they can't, can we get them in a ring as an undercard to Manny v Mayweather?

Post: #60

(02-25-2015 04:19 AM)Veloce Wrote:  As far as his club information, Fisto is 100% on point. Being in the hospitality industry, I've never had to try too hard to make the right contacts and get the hookups he's talking about. I had a post a while back about how to befriend managers in the hospitality industry, and Fisto's post is right in line with that.

I would second that - there is no doubt in my mind that with most things you can probably things alone circumventing more expensive boot-camps, books, ebooks etc.

But the thing is this - that in itself does not make one a con-artist, because McQueen never claimed that you cannot go your own way and get it done cheaper if you put in the time, the legwork, reading datasheets like this or posts by other night-club "pros" like DistantLight. Heck - if you follow DistantLight, then you won't be spending even the amount Fisto mentioned, but that takes even more time and effort.

With everything in life you have to take into account the market that is targeted by Christian McQueen - in my opinion those are men who make 100-150.000$ after taxes or have plenty of disposable capital left to party. That's still millions of men in North America alone - most deeply in Beta land. Even if they spend more cash while being around McQueen, then it does not mean that they cannot get something useful out of it. It's not recommended of course for someone who works a minimum wage job and saves all his money for months in order to spend it all on a McQueen night-club-experience.

I can remember that Greenman 3000-approaches-still-no-bang thread in which Giovonny as well as McQueen offered them help for free. McQeen proposed him to come over to LA/Las Vegas and he would get him laid - zero charge as Greenman was not flush with cash.

You may not like McQueen or his business practices - that is only fair, but attacking anyone just by association? MikeCF hung out with him often as far as I know, Dagonet too, Rollo Tomassi did an interview and they are planning a Las Vegas meetup soon, so I guess they are in amicable relations. Is now anyone going to be attacked via flamethrower who associates with anyone who is having any beef with anyone? I think we should start publishing a Beef Map who is having beef with whom or who is guilty by association or by trying to defend someone:



But you are all forgetting that most of us still have way in common than with most Blue Pill social justice guys out there. I personally respect everyone who brings in some kind of value to Game & Red Pill - regardless whether I buy their products or recommend them or even like them personally and/or all of their opinions they have on life. I have friends I love dearly who are MDs and we sometimes have debates about the topic of vaccines. So what? Then we go drink the beer and go out together, those things do not matter in real life.

Post: #61

^ The issue is that overcharging the general public is fine. Free market and all of that. (Again, I don't know what McQueen charges.)

Those types of practices should not be welcome here. Even though I monetize my sites, note how I rarely plug my stuff.

I deliberately did not plug the juicing eBooks, and actually paid for a sponsored post at ROK. I'm glad Reactionary Tree gave the books a great review, though!

I think Fisto's post was trying to strike the balance. Guys gotta earn a living, but charging "whatever the market will bear" should not be a welcome practice here.

If this were my forum, any links to eBooks started by the authors themselves would contain an affiliate link ensuring a kickback to the Forum.

Roosh is much more generous, though, and some don't seem to realize what a huge platform he offers without asking much in return.

Post: #62

(02-24-2015 11:29 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Sourcecode go back to your daddys forum.

Interesting comment considering I've been here longer than you have...


I'm not taking anything away from your write up.
Its correct, but it isn't revolutionary. Good idea on messaging the people on Facebook and such
Seems like a lot of people think Facebook is the devil.

People have been saying this stuff for ages.. Build a relationship with the staff to lock places down. This is only a continuation.
Thanks for taking the time to write though.

Post: #63

(02-25-2015 07:38 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  Roosh is much more generous, though, and some don't seem to realize what a huge platform he offers without asking much in return.

I think that Roosh could be making a lot more money, considering the value that he provides via his posts, books, the forum, and general presence as a bulwark against feminism gone too far.

I bought the books and try to contribute to the forum when I have something valuable to offer, but there are a lot of guys out there who receive more than their fair share of value without providing much in return.

Post: #64

(02-25-2015 08:12 AM)Yeti Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:38 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  Roosh is much more generous, though, and some don't seem to realize what a huge platform he offers without asking much in return.

I think that Roosh could be making a lot more money, considering the value that he provides via his posts, books, the forum, and general presence as a bulwark against feminism gone too far.

I bought the books and try to contribute to the forum when I have something valuable to offer, but there are a lot of guys out there who receive more than their fair share of value without providing much in return.

"Long time lurker, love the forum, my first post is asking you for a detailed answer to my questions my trip which can be answered if I actually searched the forum. Then I won't post anything about my experience based on the advice someone was kind enough to provide to me in a tailored fashion."

Guys like this are some of the worse. At least buy lifetime membership if you lurk that much.

Post: #65

(02-25-2015 07:06 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  Veloce alluded to the fact that a lot of chatter goes on off the forum and that's true, so yes while what Fisto said today may be a shock to some, it was something that I've heard directly from Fisto and through other members many months ago, whom I do not wish to mention, as they have not participated in this thread.

Conversely, I have also heard from other members, once again whom I don't wish to name, as they have not participated in this thread, that MCQ was in fact not like the account Fisto and other members have given. A character? Yes. A scam? No. Perhaps he's changed his personality? Perhaps he acts differently around different people? I'll refrain from casting judgement on someone I've never met. Certainly I have my intuition about what's going on here, but my ideas are speculative and ultimately irrelevant.

I had a peek at McQueen's rep points, he seems to have met a shitload of members and highly repped ones too, basically all of the big SoCal guys, i.e slubu, Basil Ransom, speakeasy etc. It's quite possible some guys who had a bad experience with him felt like it was inappropriate to air their opinions publicly especially he was still posting here, and maybe even repped him anyway because that's the polite thing to do. So if this is a McQueen call out thread let's see what the guys who have met him or taken one of his bootcamps have to say.

(02-25-2015 07:38 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  If this were my forum, any links to eBooks started by the authors themselves would contain an affiliate link ensuring a kickback to the Forum.

Post: #66

Deluge,

No need to bait guys into speaking. Those that wish to, will. Those that don't, won't.

Post: #67

I'm genuinely curious about Las Vegas on the weekdays. I'm aware that specific clubs are active on specific days, but that doesn't concern me too much since I'm veering away from clubs anyway. Would what AntiTrace suggested be the most effective thing to do? I'm getting the impression that timing is key if one isn't going to really target the higher-end places during a stay.

I've been to Las Vegas once myself but it was for an event where I had no time during the day and was basically forced to go solo considering the kind of people that were there. Interesting experience in that place, to say the least.

Post: #68

(02-25-2015 06:52 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:13 AM)Metzer Wrote:  Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Theyd definitely charge more. A LOT more id assume.

Any time theres a significant event the prices go up so i assume with this fight itll be way up.


Any advantage on going at that particular time?

Wouldnt the fight attract mostly guys anyway? I know itll be busier in general with loads more girls but i think the ratio will be skewed towards males.

That + way higher prices (did you book a hotel yet? cause those will be pricier too) + not coming to actually see the fight would make it seem like a not so favourable time to come. Unless youre huge boxing fans and want to be a part of the fuss i guess.

The prices of flights and hotels will most likely continue to soar until it is difficult, ir even impossible to book either one, so you might want to get on that. As for watching the fight itself, all of the MGM properties like MGM Grand and Monte Carlo should have one or more viewing parties. Sapphire, Hustler Club, and Miller's Ale House will likely also have viewing parties. The two strip clubs I mentioned may be the best deal, because limo service to the clubs is included in the ticket price. All of those fight parties should sell out, so you might want to buy tickets online around early or mid April.

Post: #69

(02-25-2015 06:52 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:13 AM)Metzer Wrote:  Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Theyd definitely charge more. A LOT more id assume.

Any time theres a significant event the prices go up so i assume with this fight itll be way up.


Any advantage on going at that particular time?

Wouldnt the fight attract mostly guys anyway? I know itll be busier in general with loads more girls but i think the ratio will be skewed towards males.

That + way higher prices (did you book a hotel yet? cause those will be pricier too) + not coming to actually see the fight would make it seem like a not so favourable time to come. Unless youre huge boxing fans and want to be a part of the fuss i guess.

The prices of flights and hotels will most likely continue to soar until it is difficult, ir even impossible to book either one, so you might want to get on that. As for watching the fight itself, all of the MGM properties like MGM Grand and Monte Carlo should have one or more viewing parties. Sapphire, Hustler Club, and Miller's Ale House will likely also have viewing parties. The two strip clubs I mentioned may be the best deal, because limo service to the clubs is included in the ticket price. All of those fight parties should sell out, so you might want to buy tickets online around early or mid April.

Post: #70

(02-25-2015 06:52 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:13 AM)Metzer Wrote:  Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Theyd definitely charge more. A LOT more id assume.

Any time theres a significant event the prices go up so i assume with this fight itll be way up.


Any advantage on going at that particular time?

Wouldnt the fight attract mostly guys anyway? I know itll be busier in general with loads more girls but i think the ratio will be skewed towards males.

That + way higher prices (did you book a hotel yet? cause those will be pricier too) + not coming to actually see the fight would make it seem like a not so favourable time to come. Unless youre huge boxing fans and want to be a part of the fuss i guess.

The prices of flights and hotels will most likely continue to soar until it is difficult, ir even impossible to book either one, so you might want to get on that. As for watching the fight itself, all of the MGM properties like MGM Grand and Monte Carlo should have one or more viewing parties. Sapphire, Hustler Club, and Miller's Ale House will likely also have viewing parties. The two strip clubs I mentioned may be the best deal, because limo service to the clubs is included in the ticket price. All of those fight parties should sell out, so you might want to buy tickets online around early or mid April.

Post: #71

(02-25-2015 06:52 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:13 AM)Metzer Wrote:  Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Theyd definitely charge more. A LOT more id assume.

Any time theres a significant event the prices go up so i assume with this fight itll be way up.


Any advantage on going at that particular time?

Wouldnt the fight attract mostly guys anyway? I know itll be busier in general with loads more girls but i think the ratio will be skewed towards males.

That + way higher prices (did you book a hotel yet? cause those will be pricier too) + not coming to actually see the fight would make it seem like a not so favourable time to come. Unless youre huge boxing fans and want to be a part of the fuss i guess.

The prices of flights and hotels will most likely continue to soar until it is difficult, ir even impossible to book either one, so you might want to get on that. As for watching the fight itself, all of the MGM properties like MGM Grand and Monte Carlo should have one or more viewing parties. Sapphire, Hustler Club, and Miller's Ale House will likely also have viewing parties. The two strip clubs I mentioned may be the best deal, because limo service to the clubs is included in the ticket price. All of those fight parties should sell out, so you might want to buy tickets online around early or mid April.

Post: #72

I've gone to many fight weekends. The table minimums are quite higher as are the crowds. Like the top spots will have $3-5k table minimums for the small tables

We usually end up at a lower tier spot like Tryst. The logistical problem is that the fight usually ends around 10. Getting out of the venue takes a while and the cab lines are insane (better to get a limo). Generally if you have a table you have to get there by 11 otherwise the promoter can just give your table to someone or raise your minimum when you get there, which does happen. It's supply and demand.

I remember back in the days of Tyson fights, the MGM would raise gambling table miniums to $100. Insane amount of ballets ballin' it up.


The MGM PPV parties are fun because you're at the venue itself. It's like 100 per person to watch but it's pretty rowdy and crazy

Post: #73

Subbed. Admittedly I've only been to Vegas at age 19, but from a compilation of what numerous buddies have told me, it wasn't even as good as Miami, which is a notorious "baller city." The most enjoyable experiences I hear of was gambling (from the few talented poker/blackjack players), doing a light dose of shrooms at Cirque du Soleil.

I'm not making the sort of scratch needed to get attention and that's what that city is about - having people look at you ball out.


However, no small number of attractive girls I have dated and banged almost semi-regularly go down to Vegas every 8 weeks by way of California. While I have banged them in Cali, if I had met them in Vegas, there would be no chance in hell I would score with them


A few of my close chick friends who I'm *not* sexual with (6-7s in my social circle) seem to dislike the lack of attention they receive at the nightlife. They complain that its always slutted-up whores with fake tits/ass that get all the ballers attention. To me, this is just salty chick talk. So I chuckle, nod, and only call out my closest friend on their BS. I don't really know why they still go to Vegas, perhaps its just an excuse for debauchery out of their home environment. These girls tend to prefer day/pool parties where their natural asset(s) shine. If I went to Vegas, I would make sure to get a good bulk/cut for 6 months and game hard 7s at pool parties, skimping the night clubs almost altogether.

Post: #74

You know the thing is, mcqueen has these guys private details, knows their named etc. The fact is many guys are embarrased and even worried that he will doxx them.

I'm not afraid of him in the slightest and knowing what I do I feel it's important to say what others can't.

If he can actually get together enough money to pay a retainer and convince an attorney to sue me then I have assurances those guys will step up and verify what I've said. He obviously freaked out and I'm sure he's been considering all the people he's screwed over. He's not suing anyone.

I'm not talking about charging some flat fee and providing a (useless) service.

I'm talking about cornering guys, putting them on the spot and pressuring them for money and other things like that which weren't part of the "deal".

The illegal stuff I won't mention here. Yet.

The ultimate defense against defamation is the truth.

I don't have much to add about fight weekend. It's going to be expspensive.

Post: #75

(02-25-2015 01:32 PM)Fisto Wrote:  You know the thing is, mcqueen has these guys private details, knows their named etc. The fact is many guys are embarrased and even worried that he will doxx them.

I'm not afraid of him in the slightest and knowing what I do I feel it's important to say what others can't.

If he can actually get together enough money to pay a retainer and convince an attorney to sue me then I have assurances those guys will step up and verify what I've said. He obviously freaked out and I'm sure he's been considering all the people he's screwed over. He's not suing anyone.

I'm not talking about charging some flat fee and providing a (useless) service.

I'm talking about cornering guys, putting them on the spot and pressuring them for money and other things like that which weren't part of the "deal".

The illegal stuff I won't mention here. Yet.

The ultimate defense against defamation is the truth.

I don't have much to add about fight weekend. It's going to be expspensive.

I think everyone got your point about Vegas, and recognize the value in your posts.

However, for that specific beef with McQueen, why not start another thread? I think it would be easier for people to dissociate both things -on one side, thread focused on Vegas. On the other, thread about the way promoteurs can rip you off.

That way, things won't get mixed in a single thread, that Roosh/Tuth may end up locking.