(02-24-2015 04:27 PM)Socrates Wrote:  So essentially, women are bad at life and everyone should just be ok with that? That's my summary of her typing.



Hey man, life is hard. Not time for frivolities such as soap!

It's more like woman have gained so much power in society that men are willing to accept things like them being fat, smelly and unbathen.

Your threads are beyond words

On top of being fucking disgusting, bad hygiene is one of the most reliable indicators of poor mental health and serious drug use. What could possibly compel a woman to advertise and celebrate such a thing?

Oh yeah, mental health problems...

(02-24-2015 07:49 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  On top of being fucking disgusting, bad hygiene is one of the most reliable indicators of poor mental health and serious drug use. What could possibly compel a woman to advertise and celebrate such a thing?

This is why I keep saying there's an advancing societal shift into Progressive Puritanism happening, and had been joking about 'Sarah Plain And Tall'. The body diversity, rape hysteria and anti-makeup activism are all strains of this: taking any joy in pleasure and beauty was both feared and hated by the Puritans, though I will concede there's a huge Depressive Self-Loathing aspect at play here as well.

One of the small pleasures of my day is a long shower, particularly after the gym or physical activity. I often shower twice a day in Summer as relief from the heat.

Given women's excessive focus on sensual pleasures usually leading to sloth, I'm surprised they don't find a similar enjoyment that I do in feeling water stimulate the skin, the relief of warming or cooling your core, and the sensation of dirt and sweat washing way reinvigorating you.

The Puritan attitude to hygiene recognised that:

Quote:the sensory pleasures involved in personal grooming and cleanliness were a dangerous distraction from achieving religious transcendence*, if not innately sinful in themselves.

* read this as 'progressive activism' and you'll see why the female typists keep hammering the same stubborn nails with such fury. Progressive Puritanism has just modified some of the sins into virtues.

Note also:

Quote:...the Puritan attitude to the body largely-ended the custom of regular bathing in Medieval Europe.

Of course, history is cyclical, and this has all been discussed before. Some telling points from a 1917 essay on the subject:

Quote:"Puritanism has made us self-centered and hypocritical for so long, that sincerity and reverence for what is natural in our impulses have been fairly bred out of us."

Quote:But with Puritanism as the constant check upon American life, neither truth nor sincerity is possible. Nothing but gloom and mediocrity to dictate human conduct, curtail natural expression, and stifle our best impulses. Puritanism in this the twentieth century is as much the enemy of freedom and beauty as it was when it landed on Plymouth Rock. It repudiates; but being absolutely ignorant as to the real functions of human emotions, Puritanism is itself the creator of the most unspeakable vices.

Quote:The almost limitless capacity of Puritanism for evil is due to its intrenchment [sic] behind the State and the law. Pretending to safeguard the people against "immorality," it has impregnated the machinery of government and added to its usurpation of moral guardianship the legal censorship of our views, feelings, and even of our conduct.

I feel like the last 10 years have been some kind of jumble of Late-Victorian Extreme Social Class Stratification; Gilded Age Moral Panics, Progressive-Era Social Crusading; Decadent 1920's Masculinisation of Women; with a coming rise of late 30's Fascism due to Economic Depression. Just a clear sign that history is repeating - if accelerated - and the previous lessons were forgotten.

Strange days, indeed.

^ Following on from that Puritanism theory, Playwright Eugene O'Neill, writing in the 1910's:

Quote:Puritanism inhibits, forbids, denies, and inhibition and denial lead to fear, prejudice and narrow hatred, thwarted personality, and a beggar's attitude at the door of life. Life will not be had in its fullest sense by the hands of the beggar. Its richest gifts are only for those who demand a right to love, beauty, joy and happiness. Puritanism destroys all these goods.

And Puritanism has infected the modern world, fastening itself like a deadly parasite upon the skin of civilization. It has made man afraid of himself. It has made him believe that there is virtue in denying himself the real pleasure and beauty that might be possible in rare moments during his struggle with an unfriendly universe. He resorts to suppression, believing that what is not seen is therefore properly destroyed. But as John Dewey says, "Suppression is not annihilation. 'Psychic' energy is no more capable of being abolished than the forms we recognize as physical. If it is neither exploded nor converted, it is turned inwards, to lead a surreptitious, subterranean life." (Human Nature and Conduct, p. 156.) This in the end leads to pathological symptoms that manifest themselves in strange ways which to the unwary or the self-deceived appear to have no connection with the original suppression.

^^^

AB:

You should really think about collecting some of your best posts (especially about the psychology of young women) and putting them into article format for submission to ROK.

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I agree- they are blog-worthy.

Reddit recently had a survey regarding cleanliness as well and frankly, it still surprises me. We're all brought up to think of women as the clean and angelic sex.
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(02-24-2015 09:29 PM)Icepasian Wrote:  Reddit recently had a survey regarding cleanliness as well and frankly, it still surprises me.

It doesn't surprise me: it's why I haven't eaten pussy since the early 90's.

Another one of my anecdotes sadly coming true. In godless Toronto, feminist capital, women routinely smell dumpy, they routinely do not bathe, and many have no shame in saying so. Because of the passive nature and culture of the city nobody calls then on it. Dudes wanting to hit don't call them on it. Since so many other women do it also, they know they are not alone and won't say anything either.

My theory was that small bum fuck town girls moved to the big city and did not know how to adjust. In NYC, you wash yourself in the damn street with a fresh cloth if you need to. Sporadic cleaning during the day is done by everybody as a day or schedule can be hectic. In Toronto women don't adjust and simply think that it's the same as if they were at home for a weekend in boonyville not to shower when out and about all day.

Dudes on the other hand are more prone to be at a minimum base level clean. That is if he likes pussy. Any dude who is going to game, date, or know there is a 90% chance of pussy will make sure he is as fresh as he can get. We somehow think the pussy gods are in a our favor with our nuts freshly scrubbed clean. Plus dudes we smell, you slip on staying clean and you will smell like shit. Women get BO too but it's not the tear enduring onion smog that would kill infants that can waft from a dude if he slips on his grooming.

I have lost pussy because I would make plans with a girl and she would moan she did not have time to shower, I purposely would push back time to accommodate her being able to have time to shower as I did not mind starting the night later for her to be clean, but the optics and idea of having to take the shower were to much for her and she would flake on the plans. It was all hamster, once she realized I wasn't cool with her dragging her self out as a sloth she bailed.

Another instance.. A broad I swooped I spent the night at her place we didn't fuck since she was on her rag but she sucked me off twice and the second time I pumped a load all over her face and chest. She just wiped herself with a towel. I remember her waking up to go to work early that next day and she did not shower, also I remember seeing my dried cum all over her face and she just sorta wiped it off (I think) and put a slapping of make up on, she was talking shit about going out after work that day to a day-party and that some dude she used to talk might be there, my guess she probably made out with that dude after she was unclean for over 24hours with a my DNA all over her.

Women of course get lazy and want to the basics because what incentives does she have? She has makeups, solvent strength sprays to hide her sloth and the truth is dudes will still hit. Dudes still going to thirst after her so she has no positive push to so any of the bare minimums. I have said for a long time many of women's modern problems they give us men is due to the fact that men still fuck them. Until men stop being thirsty and fucking wack broads they won't change.

So is there a link that in the most feminist city on earth we have the most dumpy women? Probably. So sorry Stockholm or San Fransisco you have nothing on Toronto. Sweden women that I have met were atheistically superior and clean compared to Toronto women, even on vacation and slumming around hostels.

For women here who skip out on grooming it is easy to tell after a while. Literally you can see the cake on them. You can tell when a woman does not shower and is hap-hazard as her make up binds to her skin differently. It looks like icing/frosting on a cake versus a nicely blended tone of colors. My guess is that if she does not clean the oils and dirt of her skin well the makeup simply just gets set differently. It is very easy to tell and the truth is you see this more when girls are out at night, especially a Friday nigh where they have to go from work to out with their friends very quickly. Many will skip out on proper grooming.

Then on a Saturday you see women mulling around the streets in sunglasses, sweatpants and dumpy boots looking no better then the homeless. Only in that hour she feels shame of being a sloth but magically she paints some maker up on her sprays chemicals and she is ready to be pursued by men and wants to seek attention from the best mates.

We see women becoming more detached from reality. They only really live for their social media worlds, these avatars of tightly cropped and sculpted pictures to show off all of their best features. In real life they put in no effort as even the 5min shower has become to much work....

"OOOOhhh I hate drying my hair, it takes to long"

I thought blow dryers fixed this problem? If women hate this they should invent a faster model to speed things up.

Now the only time a woman looks forward to bathing is when she is over indulgent in some jasmine lavender bath with candles and chocolates and her phone in hand. God forbid she drops her phone in the water as many girls I know have done, to plugged in to the phones they can't leave them alone for 5-10mins to take a shower.

But that is another thing the modern women will judge a task to inferior or a nuisance if she can't include her phone into the mix. Look how they have manipulated work environments to include the need for phones for cross communication.. okay. If your job has any merit or need you will get work phones or have radios. But women have lobbied for this in many work spaces and now the phone is now a staple in work environments so women can never leave their addiction behind. They take it to the washrooms too while they do un-feminine things we don't like to think women do as men, they have their phones in hand while Starbucks and Chipolte makes it way out.. just remember that.

Women are never happy in 2015 unless they can indulge full tilt. It has to be the greasiest dish, the biggest cock, the most over the top spa setting for a bath, the most sweet desert, the most "healthy" of food. No constraint with women these days.

The only small bright spot is that there is small cultural and ethnic pockets of women who still have traditional grooming practices that you can sniff out. Arab women are impeccably clan when they follow traditional grooming practices as they constantly clean themselves all day. Black women who follow classic grooming practices which are very clean also, When they take on European practices it does not work well, if they take on Western practices its a abomination and they turn into swamp pits.

In the end this biggest thing is that this isn't surprising, the whole women are sloths in 2015, that is very sad.

(02-24-2015 09:52 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:29 PM)Icepasian Wrote:  Reddit recently had a survey regarding cleanliness as well and frankly, it still surprises me.

It doesn't surprise me: it's why I haven't eaten pussy since the early 90's.

And in 2015 men advocate for eating a girls booty..

(02-24-2015 11:41 PM)kosko Wrote:  ...but the optics and idea of having to take the shower were to much for her and she would flake on the plans.

The only small bright spot is that there is small cultural and ethnic pockets of women who still have traditional grooming practices that you can sniff out.

(02-24-2015 11:41 PM)kosko Wrote:  Another instance.. A broad I swooped I spent the night at her place we didn't fuck since she was on her rag but she sucked me off twice and the second time I pumped a load all over her face and chest. She just wiped herself with a towel. I remember her waking up to go to work early that next day and she did not shower, also I remember seeing my dried cum all over her face and she just sorta wiped it off (I think) and put a slapping of make up on, she was talking shit about going out after work that day to a day-party and that some dude she used to talk might be there, my guess she probably made out with that dude after she was unclean for over 24hours with a my DNA all over her.

Been there done that. Nut on her face? She forgets to shower, goes home to her parents [multiple girls, multiple occassions]. Bust on the belly? Also doesn't shower, lightly scrubs off, goes home or out into the world wearing a fresh coat of sperm and interacts with other men.

I try not to think about that sort of thing while I'm out squeezing fruit at the grocery store and seeing the unshowered hotties running around and touching things. There's DNA...everywhere.

The Anglo-Celtic dating market really is like the British property market: buildings that are well overpriced do not need any maintenance or repair for hygienic or technical reasons because there will always be a desperate buyer.

I have been living with female flatmates for six years now and this has been a major influence on me taking the red pill.

Blue pillers have often been envious that I live with women and they ask me if I've banged any of them.

The reality is that I cannot be attracted to these women because I know how they live. They are lazy about the house (the southern European flatmates were always very clean), they never clean the bathroom, taking out the rubbish is always left to the man and yes, they do not shower every day. They are also so lazy that they take days to bring in dried washing from the communal areas. When they do shower or bathe they never unblock their hair from the bath's sink.

I don't know when it happened but men seem to be more hygienic and house proud but society politely keeps up the pretence that women are clean and tidy because questioning this would be highly offensive.

If I advertise for house mates, I usually give European women priority over English women who use alcohol more than soap.

I am saving for a deposit to by a bachelor pad despite the expensive price of such flats. I really cannot stand the filth and laziness any more.

I had English girls as housemates before. They're filthy pigs in general (one reason I got my own place afterwards), although they did shower. It seems that they're getting even worse now.

^ I'd rep Kosko again for that post, if I could.

I shared a house for six months with two girls during University, both rampaging sluts. I guess I'd call them Hipster Sluts: they were both revelling in being cum buckets for the local army guys and doing the walk of shame before it was cool, and still had some social ramifications.

They had a weekend ritual that started about 8 in the evening and involved a shared bottle of cheap alcohol - Aussies can probably guess which; turning up their latest Top 40 mix tape as loud as it would go; then taking turns fighting to apply makeup the tiny bathroom mirror which wasn't much bigger than a hand one. Eventually, they'd squeeze into their dresses, and believed skipping lunch and dinner would make this easier.

They'd drag this out for two hours.

On the nights I was floating around the house, the only way I'd get a chance to get my pre-game shower on was either to hurry them up by losing my shit, but it's not easy to get two half-drunk bitches moving when they're trying to apply mascara whilst singing "Spin that wheel" or "Better The Devil You Know" at the top of their lungs. Eventually I just started stripping off and getting my shower on with them in the room, though they'd bitch about the mirror fogging if it was too hot, when they weren't trying to smack my arse.

All of this makes me wonder why I only just realised showering wasn't part of their weekend ritual.

It was worse than that:

they'd never cleaned the toilet in the twelve months before I moved in there, as I discovered when I lifted the seat, only to find crusty yellow stalactites. Their argument: "We never lift it!"

I went and bought a loo brush and some bleach.

But, it gets even worse than that:

I'd come in at about 3 one morning to find a couple of blokes doing the post-cum bolt. When the girls emerged at about 2 that afternoon, I said I was taking the bus into the city to get some things, and they tagged along.

They didn't shower, and only lightly did their hair, throwing on their clothes from the night before.

They're both together on the seat in front of me on the bus, and one of them turns around to me as we're talking, and the other sees hers back and says to her: "Hey, you've spilled something on the back of your shirt."

She shrugged. "Yeah, he took me doggy last night. I've got nothing else clean. No-one will notice."

The t-shirt was black.

Worse still: her friend just shrugged it off like this was normal behaviour.

I lasted only as long as my lease agreement. Never saw the brunette again, though the black-haired shorter bitch turned up at my next house once, begging to use my shower, because she 'smelled like sex' and was on her way to see her boyfriend.

I shrugged and let her use it. I suffered fools better in my youth.

I heard a godawful scream a few minutes later, and was ready to kick the bathroom door down, thinking she'd hurt herself. Turns out she didn't realise there was a giant mirror above the sink, and a full length one on the wall behind it.

She'd just seen herself naked from two angles in a mirror bigger than a handsized one for the first time in two years. Fantasy met reality. All those late night KFC session had taken their toll.

^^^That is truly awful.

(02-24-2015 09:52 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:29 PM)Icepasian Wrote:  Reddit recently had a survey regarding cleanliness as well and frankly, it still surprises me.

It doesn't surprise me: it's why I haven't eaten pussy since the early 90's.

Lately there's been a big medical scare regarding cancer and eating pussy. Some if it due to possible HPV rates. I wonder if that is due to gross hygiene more than just eating pussy (or HPV) itself. We're not getting the whole story for sure.

Excellent subject. So many men get trapped into a marriage with kids by having their hormones trick them in their 20's into such a life style. 5 to 10 years of pleasure for 40 to 50 years of near slave like misery.

As the women keep pushing their own natural self hate/laziness, more men will wake up and avoid this fate. If I could give men any advice, it would be to not even consider marriage until you are at least 30, and better yet 35.

When I was younger I might overlook things like this. Excuse it away... "well, if she isn't a neat freak, then her standards for me will be less". Or just rationalize it... "well, she works a lot of hours and doesn't have time for all these little unimportant things".

As I get older I realize this should be priority number one. If you don't take care of your body/health/hygiene, then you have some mental issues and would not make a good life partner.

It seems in the west we have encouraged women to be their natural worst. Which is a pile of emotionally charged fat who wants to do absolutely nothing but watch drama and create drama in life to continue to fill their unfillable need for drama.

AnonBosch, it almost sounds like you were describing my two housemates! That is exactly their weekend pre-game routine as well.

(02-24-2015 08:58 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Next up: it's patriarchy to have tampons and panty liners, we should feel free to let our red trails show!

They already tried that.

My eyes!

I believe that the "free bleeding movement" was a 4chan parody. Of course, real feminism is so crazy that it's hard to tell.

I think it probably was, but remember that some are gullible enough to get swept up in the moment as actual trend done by a good troll account and run with it. Logic is not a strong suit for feminists.

In line with Kosko and AB...and also of note that this also occurred in Toronto, the City of Soulless...

Back about six years ago I had a fuckbuddy, a girl I've known for years and at first was fucking regular, then it was on-and-off, then regular, then back to on-and-off (she was small, cute and let me do anything I wanted to her), one of those type of deals.

So I'm working in the office one day, and out of the blue I get a text from her - having not heard from her in a few months, I reply. She wants to meet up with me for drinks near my house on Friday - okay, I set it up.

So Friday rolls around. At lunch I shoot her a message to confirm but get no reply. Later work finishes and I leave. I get home, strip off my clothes and jump in the shower, so fresh, so clean. I get out of the shower and see I have a message from her, telling me 'Ohmygod I'm so sorry! I can't make it tonight, but can we meet tomorrow?'. I agree to this proposition, as this was a guaranteed lay and I'd had nothing else going on anyways.

So, Saturday bounces around and I go out in the early evening to meet her. I arrive a few minutes early and take a seat, right beside one of the windows, because it was summertime and the sun was nice. She wanders in right on time and sits across from me and begins talking, but my face, a small smile apparent when I saw her had now contorted to an expression of horror and anguish...

Is that...?

A faded but definitely present white stain on her left cheek...

No, it can't be...

I examine it closer - it certainly is...

It's gotta be...so that means...

This broad, who was so anxious to see me the night before and flaked, had obviously fucked some guy the night before, taken a load right across the side of her face and had not properly washed it off...I mean I knew that she was fucking other dudes while we were banging, and I was okay with it, or at least I thought I was - UNTIL THE EVIDENCE OF IT WAS STARING ME RIGHT IN THE FACE!

I made up some bullshit excuse and left, ignoring all of her messages then and forever since then. Girls fuck around, that's okay and that's not what disturbs me; what disturbs me is that she messaged me at maybe 7:00 on the previous night, and it was 24 hours later, after getting fucked and blasted on, she couldn't even bother showering it off her face.

Last I heard she was married to a guy I've met 5 or 6 times...oh the things I could tell him...