Post: #26

(04-14-2014 10:11 AM)Bix Wrote:  It's hard to believe only one one person, conservative, brought up a very important fact: that we are no better than the gold-diggers.

I used to be a classic "nice guy". I'm sure many of us here have been at one time or another. Yes, I was genuinely nice a lot of the time, but I realized at some point that not every facet of myself I thought of as "nice" qualified. If I took a girl out to dinner and she wasn't interested in me, I'd be angry and would feel pissed off about it. If I did her a favor or favors and she didn't fall for me, I would think of her as a bitch. I'm so nice, after all! If a girl can go out with such a nice guy as me and not be interested, then she obviously didn't want a nice guy. She only wanted guys with money or very good looks. Shallow bitch! I would think. I'm so nice to do all these things for her. Golly me, I'm the genuine article! All I want is a hot chick to dig me and appreciate me for what a great guy I am!

Wait, what?

God, I felt so stupid when I realized how long it took me to realize the utter hypocrisy in my thinking. All that time, I thought of myself as "genuine" and sincere. My infatuations were real, of course. My love was strong. But it took a while for me to realize that I didn't ever fall in love with fat or ugly chicks. LOL Every once in a while I'd flip for an averagish girl after things got started, but I only lost it quickly for good looking girls.

And there it is. I am just as shallow, only in a different way.

And every teenage romcom is based on the same thing. Unpopular guy falls in love with high school head cheerleader and as we watch her turn from shallow bitch that only likes buff jocks to sweet caring girl-next-door that comes to the realization that nerdboy is a great guy and deserves her pussy, the audience doesn't even notice that he is every bit as shallow as her and that no, he does NOT deserve her pussy any more than a fat ugly troll deserves his dick.

So now you've got a bunch of money, which is very cool, and you're depressed that girls are throwing themselves at you because of it? Seriously? You feel jaded by what, exactly? One of the most obvious truths in the history of the world? You knew this already. But more importantly, unless you are just as happy banging a land whale as you are VS models, then are you any better? You want girls to ONLY like you for you but do you like girls ONLY for who they are inside? My guess is no.

I understand why you feel the way you do. Even now, I feel that way sometimes too (not that I have a lot of money but I see how the world works). It sucks to know that the hottest girls in the world will never like you only for who you are inside. They might like that too, but they'll also like your abs, your money, your car, your power, etc. Just like you might like a girl's personality just fine, but unless it comes in a fairly nice package you don't want it, do you?

If you really want someone to like you for you and only you, then hide your money, drive a Civic, wear Gap like everyone else and move into a shitty one-bedroom apartment. Then you'll know she likes you for your personality. Don't forget to stop working out and get fat because you don't want her to like you for your looks either.

The point is, there is nothing to be bitter about. Or at least, don't be bitter about how women are, be bitter about the fact that everyone in your life has lied to you about what relationships are really made of.

At the end of the day, even if you do get fat, wear Gap, drive a Civic and make $40k a year, the girl that ends up going for you STILL doesn't like you ONLY for you. She might like you a lot, but she is probably not going to like you for long if you get a new job making $20k, start riding a bicycle and wear shitty rags, and get even fatter (or if she likes fat guys, get really skinny).

Hey, you're lucky compared to women. They have their looks and personality. Men have looks, personality, power, money and status to work with. Women will not get far if either of those two qualities is less than average but guys can have two or three of the five qualities at ZERO and still get awesome tail.

Ay mate - you are right! The only problem is that we are being lied from birth about those things. At least money is always mentioned in the blue-pill, so it should not come as a surprise. Looks always matter - even for the Master PUA. And money helps too because you can swim in waters with more HB8-10s around you. At least men can work on money, Game, Alpha-personality, interesting life experiences which make you more Alpha and they can work on their bodies too to a good degree.

A girl is stuck with her inborn look, can doll up and take care in order to not get fat and dress nicely. She can improve a few things, but that won't increase her attractivity.

Post: #27

Snip your shit, fuck as much as you want, you deserve it.

You don't want gold diggers anymore, tired of being jaded ? Stop going to clubs/places where all you'll find is thirsty bottle ratchets, a place where displays of money are quite obvious. Showing off your money will ONLY attract gold diggers for which you're jaded with.

Start looking elsewhere where you don't have to peacock your wealth. Downplay your wealth, perhaps don't even show it, keep it lowkey (i know that will be hard to do). Go out see the world meet all sorts of HB's. See how a woman treats you not knowing you're rich, those will be the the ones you want.

Congrats on making that money, just make sure you don't blow it all like alot of athletes do !

Reinvest into yourself or businesses !

Post: #28

blah. There is no wrong in attracting women with money. There are two kind of women

1. Women attracted with money

2. Women attracted with game

if your aim is to get pussy and you have money, I don't see any reason to play game. Some guys like to play game, and that's fine. But game is hard, game is expensive, game is time-consuming, game is boring (at least for me)...

Bang. Done. Next girl.

Post: #29

i see

Post: #30

You're fishing in the wrong pond. Clubs are the main environments for sluts and gold diggers. Try some day game. And don't show off your wealth.

I'm running into sort of the same issue. Not that I'm rich or anything, but I want a girl with a some stability who's worth seeing more than once or twice. Really hard if not impossible to find those girls with night game.

Post: #31

OP shows up to the club with a Lamborghini Aventador and wonders why he attracts girls interested primarily interested in his money. Most of us would love to be that guy.

Perhaps tone it down a notch or two if it bothers you. Instead of going out with the Aventador take a taxi. Don't get bottle service or if you do get standard drinks like vodka as opposed to expensive champagne. It's certainly a lot harder to appear rich than it is to appear normal or poor.

Don't tell girls what you do if its obvious your career is very well paying. Beat around the bush then once you deem them loyal to you, you can show them your real world if you choose to. I think you are over thinking your situation. Less than 1% of Americans are rolling in that type of dough nevermind worldwide where the % is certainly much lower.

Post: #32

Try 0.1% wealth level of Americans and 0.001% wealth level internationally.

Post: #33

(04-11-2014 07:22 PM)Adam Bin Ballin Wrote:  like wtf is that about???

Its about women's sexual imperratives. It's not that complicated, they only have two (which is one more than we have) the second of which forms the basis for hypergamy.

I broke it down here

http://sexthreepointzero.com/2012/02/11/...peratives/

Post: #34

OP, just pretending you're not rich is a doomed strategy for finding the good girls. Once they find out how much money you have, they'll focus on that anyway. Save yourself the torture of having to deal with that and wire your funds to me. I feel guilty having the privilege of knowing for a fact that women don't want me for my money while you suffer.

Post: #35

Hey guys, don't wanna be the guy that just takes advise and disappears. Just wanna say thanks to everyone that gave advice. Damn, it's been a year but I appreciate it.

Post: #36

(02-18-2015 09:14 PM)Adam Bin Ballin Wrote:  Hey guys, don't wanna be the guy that just takes advise and disappears. Just wanna say thanks to everyone that gave advice. Damn, it's been a year but I appreciate it.

Wanna share how you made your bankroll? I wouldn't mind trying the baller lifestyle for a bit

Post: #37

I hate when a guy says; "I want a woman to want me for me and not for my money". This statement rubs my nerves raw, making me want to scream at him and say: "Lose the FUCKING skirt and man the FUCK up".

There is no difference between a man and his money. Otherwise where is the demarcation line? The only one I see is in his weak and insecure mind. A man who has money, usually, possess' traits that enabled him to make the money. Those traits are rare and not shared by the wider public. To wit; If you asked me, hey FlyBoy, what is the single most important trait that helped you make money? I would answer, one word son, Determination.

I played Polo all my life so I can't recall all the times I fell, but what I can remember is getting back in the saddle and rejoining the game every time. How many guys do you know that possess the same traits that made you successful. I myself know no one that is willing to refuse a $200K/Year job for a startup with a salary barely enough to pay for a room and a bath in the back of a house, food and a bicycle for transportation. Bust his ass for two years, walk away with NOTHING, only to join yet another group to create yet another venture a few months hence. Yep, I worked very hard for it, therefore I would be royally stupid not to use it in maximizing my advantage in every walk of life.

Should you display your money or be subtle about it. Of course display it, with neon lights if you have to. Women are stupid and won't figure it out by themselves. How can it be done tastefully? Well that depends!! I don't know Ibin Ballin's age! If he is young, then a Lambo, bling and clubs may very well be appropriate. However for me, early forties, a Phantom coupe, bespoke suit and a mechanical watch for bling is more appropriate.

But, don't stop at the outside, work on your game to project your wealth. Let me you give two examples:

a. When I take a woman on a dinner date, we of course go to a first class joint. I will quickly order ALL the appetizers on the menu. I will also ask the sommelier to get us a fine chilled white for the time being until we decide to order. Then I excuse myself to go the rest room. This gives her time to deal with her emotions. The submissive in her, loves how I took control and did what I want. The bitch in her, can't complain since I didn't order for her, and instead I ordered for the table. Also, there was no need for consultation since I ordered all of them. In short, you are charging her emotions positively towards you for the extra price of an appetizer or two.

b. Setting: A bad weather day. An evening wine tasting event. Me talking to a hottie:

Her: OMG the traffic was so bad it took me 1:30h to get home instead of 40m.

Me: Yeah, I knew the weather was going to deteriorate when I checked the charts this morning and was dreading my trip back from XYZ (think a 1000 miles away). Sure enough when I arrived this afternoon, it was a shit show. The planes were stacked like pancakes in the holding pattern waiting to get in. I said the heck with it and diverted to ABS (think small town 20 miles away with a smaller airport) and took a cab to the house. The only bad thing is, I will have to go out tomorrow and fly her back because they don't have enough hangar space and I don't want my baby jet to sit in the elements for too long.

Her: You have your OWN JET.

Me: (With a bewildered look on my face) Why wouldn't I. followed by changing the subject to wine.

Here, I told her that I owned and flew my own jet without being a showoff, since it was part of the conversation NOT the conversation.

In short, I would have you know that money is a magical elixir if used correctly. And it is not that hard to learn how to use it correctly.

Finally, I think I know what Ibin Ballin meant in his original post. When you are an average guy, you will have to game hard to get quality meat. If by destiny, you come into serious money, you will discover what a bunch of whores women are. I mean, you will find yourself being sucked and going, ... What the ... like ... wow .. we just fucking met ... lol So the moral is make the money and enjoy the women whoring themselves to you.

Ahhh, and NEVER EVER try to buy a woman's affection, it won't work.

Post: #38

(02-19-2015 05:09 PM)FlyBoy Wrote:  In short, I would have you know that money is a magical elixir if used correctly. And it is not that hard to learn how to use it correctly.

Finally, I think I know what Ibin Ballin meant in his original post. When you are an average guy, you will have to game hard to get quality meat. If by destiny, you come into serious money, you will discover what a bunch of whores women are. I mean, you will find yourself being sucked and going, ... What the ... like ... wow .. we just fucking met ... lol So the moral is make the money and enjoy the women whoring themselves to you.

Ahhh, and NEVER EVER try to buy a woman's affection, it won't work.

Excellent observation - hiding the cash is stupid.

Becoming more Alpha while doing it is another matter.

However some girls are trying to be more chaste when meeting with wealthy men putting out later than they would with men who are far from Beta Bucks candidates.

So it certainly depends on your Game or Alpha state that you put across - there is a r-selected version of showing wealth just as there is a Beta/k-selected version of doing it. The k-selected guys sometimes get rinsed and spend 20.000$ on a girl without getting a tongue-kiss.

Your success is part of you, but spending it on women - your examples are quite fitting as they are done via your lifestyle and not via special things you do explicitly to impress a girl.

Post: #39

(04-11-2014 07:22 PM)Adam Bin Ballin Wrote:  I love nightlife and pursuing women like the rest of you guys. Right now in Milan, Italy. What I noticed is all the women at nightclubs are on my dick hard. Since I have some money I get tables and I show up to club either driving a Lambo aventador or a porsche (god I sound like a prick). These sluts are showing me attention I never had before.

Welcome to Milan, mate.

Post: #40

(02-19-2015 05:36 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  However some girls are trying to be more chaste when meeting with wealthy men putting out later than they would with men who are far from Beta Bucks candidates.

So it certainly depends on your Game or Alpha state that you put across - there is a r-selected version of showing wealth just as there is a Beta/k-selected version of doing it. The k-selected guys sometimes get rinsed and spend 20.000$ on a girl without getting a tongue-kiss.

To be honest with you zel, I do not why they give it to me quickly. My game is OK, but I do not know which part of it is cracking the safe open every time. I think I make them insecure, because I am socially very outgoing. Case in point, that hottie in the wine tasting story, last year, ended up giving it to me when I took her out on date the next weekend. I think because during the tasting event, she saw me talk, laugh and flirt with a dozen women. I could be wrong of course

(02-19-2015 05:36 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Your success is part of you, but spending it on women - your examples are quite fitting as they are done via your lifestyle and not via special things you do explicitly to impress a girl.

Yes, yes, yes
That's why I said display your wealth, tastefully of course, because it's the DISPLAY of wealth, not the EXCHANGE of it that gets you smelly.

Post: #41

(02-19-2015 06:00 PM)FlyBoy Wrote:  To be honest with you zel, I do not why they give it to me quickly. My game is OK, but I do not know which part of it is cracking the safe open every time. I think I make them insecure, because I am socially very outgoing. Case in point, that hottie in the wine tasting story, last year, ended up giving it to me when I took her out on date the next weekend. I think because during the tasting event, she saw me talk, laugh and flirt with a dozen women. I could be wrong of course

Preselection works better than simple bragging about achievements. Dan Bilzerian style of money is probably the most powerful one out there, though he uses Instagram fame to achieve his goals.

If you are not aware of what is working, then it's better to read up on stuff - Krauser can be highly recommended and Good Looking Loser did a series on picking up chicks while being rich/faking to be rich:

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/ba...ial-status

(02-19-2015 06:00 PM)FlyBoy Wrote:  Yes, yes, yes
That's why I said display your wealth, tastefully of course, because it's the DISPLAY of wealth, not the EXCHANGE of it that gets you smelly.

I never felt ashamed of it myself (though I am far away from owning a jet, but enough to impress some girls) - in my case it was often enough to go out in a suit, be a bit more Alpha and ask her subtly to move the venue to stay in my 5-star hotel. Lamborghini Game works just as well. I have even had friends who did Car Game in Eastern Europe driving by with an expensive car, stopping and asking them about a club/cafe. Then they simply invited them for some coffee/drink. Many girls jumped just in.

The trick is to use money as a form of exciting experience and never as a static boring Beta Bucks symbol. Then the hamster is in overdrive.

Post: #42

Thank you so much zel, especially for the link to goodlookingloser.

I think I am beginning to understand the reasons behind my success so far. I literary cringed when GLL recalled the story of guys telling girls about limos and private jets to LV. I would never speak that direct. I will only mention expensive things I have if I can do it indirectly.

Come to think of it, I never mention anything related to money. Even when I speak of expensive things, I speak about them as if they were normal everyday stuff.

Although my game is not the best, I do have some and I am working on it all the time. I am just glad that money is encouraging the women to give me slack and allow some mistakes. Otherwise I am spitting perfect game which is fantasy

Post: #43

From what I've seen, a man who is truly so rich that he's set for years or for life has a quiet confidence about him. He's not worried about anything money related. So, he's completely relaxed. He doesn't need to flash bills around or anything like that because he doesn't care if people know he is rich. However, his clothes fit well and look fairly new, his car is well-cared for but not necessarily flashy, he's is fairly good shape, and he stays in nice places and eats and drinks in nice venues, but doesn't make a big deal of it. You'll be surprise at how many people will notice his demeanor and deduce the source of it.

Once one of these people makes an approach, for our purposes an attractive woman, you just need to drop subtle bait as to your status and financial situation. Do it subtly and the woman will think she has figured it out using her mystical "woman's intuition", which will make her more attracted. Keep that frame and proceed from there.

If I'm oversimplifying this please say so.

Post: #44

(02-21-2015 12:54 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  From what I've seen, a man who is truly so rich that he's set for years or for life has a quiet confidence about him. He's not worried about anything money related. So, he's completely relaxed. He doesn't need to flash bills around or anything like that because he doesn't care if people know he is rich. However, his clothes fit well and look fairly new, his car is well-cared for but not necessarily flashy, he's is fairly good shape, and he stays in nice places and eats and drinks in nice venues, but doesn't make a big deal of it. You'll be surprise at how many people will notice his demeanor and deduce the source of it.

Once one of these people makes an approach, for our purposes an attractive woman, you just need to drop subtle bait as to your status and financial situation. Do it subtly and the woman will think she has figured it out using her mystical "woman's intuition", which will make her more attracted. Keep that frame and proceed from there.

If I'm oversimplifying this please say so.

Heh - I've had plenty of women deduce by those "signs" that I and a few other friends of mine were a lot more wealthy than we really are. Women sometimes see an older guy in his 30s, early 40s, smoking a cigar and being very self-confident and they believe you are God-knows how rich. The hamster then is in real overdrive.

But the truth is far from it - it may be true with some guys out there, but I have met plenty of millionaire Betas, who have no skills and self-confidence with women. I met guys who are overweight and drive crappy old cars, but have 5-10 mio. $ in cash in addition to assets. They don't swim in pussy either. And yes I have acquaintances in their 60s who are Naturals and attract women still like crazy due to having serious cash (despite the fact that he is not spending much on them). There are huge differences in behavior between someone with Game/self-confidence around women & money and someone only with money. Women are indeed more often blind and stupid - the few really professional gold-diggers who can read the signs are an exception.

If they saw Ingvar Kamprad - the owner of Idea - driving around in his crappy Volvo looking for the cheapest gas station, how many would deduce from his calm and self-confident manner that he is one of the officially richest men in the world?



Yes - self-confidence is something that comes with money, also an increased libido for many, but Game and the ability to talk with women? Nah - many do P4P above a certain age and some are so awkward or Beta around women that the only thing gold-diggers see are bags of cash, but not men they would love to fuck. Rinsing of wealthy men is an actual job out there. Hamsters will do their thing based on strange factors - the problem is that wealth does not imbue you with the Alpha state around women, but many hamsters do believe that it should.

Post: #45

Relevant :

   

Post: #46

(02-21-2015 03:25 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Relevant :

Indeed - who cares if they are gold-diggers? Tell you a secret - ALL WOMEN are gold-diggers or silver-diggers. Even the pure and spiritual ones want you to have more money and resources.

This is part of who you are in life. No one is telling you to marry them, if they are excessively hunting a good lifestyle. Besides - even marriages to gold-diggers can last for decades, if you have the gold to keep them

Post: #47

Money != Alpha

It never has, and never will. Why? simple, because money does not equal anything. All money does is enhance something. Something that you already have. If you are an Alpha, then money will make you an uber Alpha. If you are a beta, then money will advertise your misfortune to everyone in sight.

Trust me on this one boys!

Post: #48

When you fish with chunks of meat, you will catch sharks.

Post: #49

If I wasn't so lazy, I would seriously consider stop chasing women and start chasing money like crazy.

When you are making OP money and showing it, you will be destroying 99% of players out there, specially when you have game already. I don't understand why some people don't like the idea of women wanting to sleep with them because of their money, you won't be dating none of these women, you are simply fucking them and moving on.

Hooligan Harry and G manifesto wrote the best posts about women and money,what they said is just completely true.

Post: #50

pitt can you link the g manifesto post you are referring to? thanks