Post: #26

(02-12-2015 11:32 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 10:43 AM)Seamus Wrote:  And this doesn't seem any more bluepill than normal anyway. The female lead is a huge slut, which isn't glorified at all (e.g. the homeless guy making fun of her for her walk of shame), the dad blasting monogamy in the beginning is pretty much how I feel as a man, and that last scene is a pretty great skewering of the modern female's approach to dating (disgusted by a nice guy who doesn't just want to pump and dump her).

Your post is a great example of why propaganda/subversive programming like this film works: most people simply can't recognize it. They don't understand how programming works. The think that because the behavior on screen "isn't glorified" (i.e. is often presented in a comedic fashion) that the behavior is therefore being condemned, and that the audience is internalizing this lesson. But this is absolutely not true. The reality is that when you show people visual images of behavior and accompany them with humor, you are creating a psychological association of positivity in the viewer's mind. They associate the behavior with the good feelings they got from laughter. So far from not glorifying trashy behavior, films like this encourage it, not only from the direct onscreen example acted out by a sympathetic main character, but by the subliminal psychological process I just outlined (using humor to associate positive emotions with a displayed behavior).

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this, as the bolded is oversimplifying things quite a bit. Just because something is played for laughs doesn't necessarily mean the behavior is being subversively encouraged. How about all of the jokes directed at nerdy or "creepy" men in these sorts of movies? We're supposed to see them as pathetic and laughable, not be encouraged to emulate them. Or how about black comedies finding humor in psychopaths and murderers?

It's true that here the slut is the sympathetic main character, but from the trailer it seems the audience is being encouraged to laugh at her for the sluttiness, then support her as she becomes reformed. She's a slut because sluts are easy to play for laughs, not because Judd Apatow is trying to serve us subversive propaganda.

Perhaps I'm being played here and not realizing it, but I honestly think you're reaching a bit. Not everything is laden with deeper meaning, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Post: #27

How many doctors are going to see this and realized they married a whore? Haha.

Post: #28

Without knowing the full plot, I would hope that the trailer left out the idea of reality smacking Schumer's character in the face. I can imagine a scene where her proclivities are revealed to Hader's character which in turn leads him to reject her.

Of course, I can also surmise that this will be followed by a reflection scene in which Hader reassesses her and eventually accepts her. This is the only way the movie could play out and still be accepted as light comedic Hollywood fare that the masses gobble up.

Here is the issue I have with guys who are upset at the "celebration" of slutty women: I, and many others here, have sexually benefited from women like this. While we may rebel at the idea of women acting with sexual impunity and debasing their femininity, we have been well placed to act upon this transition between sexual repression and sexual freedom.

I personally wouldn't wife up a woman like Schumer's character, but I would enjoy her company for a few days and nights. I am sure many of us have. This film is hoping to capitalize on a variety of issues, not least of which is the idea that women can play the field and still find a nice guy when they want to settle down. I equate this with the fantasy women have in reference to 50 Shades of Grey.

Also, let us not forget that Apatow is in the business of making money, and in a way all of his movies have been a way to leech off the current social climate without making any grandiose statements about the societal patterns that are to be found. This won't be intended to be a movie that shifts the dialogue in any meaningful way, it only exists to reflect the dialogue as it currently exists.

I'll torrent it. Also, the title should be "Bill Hader falls..." not Judd Apatow. He is the director.

Post: #29

Looks like an utter waste of time and $13.

Post: #30

(02-12-2015 11:32 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 10:43 AM)Seamus Wrote:  And this doesn't seem any more bluepill than normal anyway. The female lead is a huge slut, which isn't glorified at all (e.g. the homeless guy making fun of her for her walk of shame), the dad blasting monogamy in the beginning is pretty much how I feel as a man, and that last scene is a pretty great skewering of the modern female's approach to dating (disgusted by a nice guy who doesn't just want to pump and dump her).

Your post is a great example of why propaganda/subversive programming like this film works: most people simply can't recognize it. They don't understand how programming works. The think that because the behavior on screen "isn't glorified" (i.e. is often presented in a comedic fashion) that the behavior is therefore being condemned, and that the audience is internalizing this lesson. But this is absolutely not true. The reality is that when you show people visual images of behavior and accompany them with humor, you are creating a psychological association of positivity in the viewer's mind. They associate the behavior with the good feelings they got from laughter. ...

Once there, in exchange for seeing their favorite sports stars on screen for a few minutes, the men will then be subjected to an hour and a half of programming that belittles them and encourages them to expect abominable behavior from women, because "that's just how things are these days".

This is exactly how propaganda works. It works through humor or through rare sympathy fetching.

Practically all movies have plenty of propaganda in them. And it's always updated - you can train yourself to see it in TV series and movies. It either serves the feminine imperative, pushing of homosexuality and the gender agenda, global warming crap etc. etc.

That movie will display exactly what is wrong with American women and make it look funny and thus fine. It is exactly what Rollo Tomassi has been writing about - the movies are embracing open hypergamy and displaying their behavior for all men to see.

Roosh is correct by stating that in that movie Betas are to be shown that a massive carousel riding career slut around the age of the Wall is worthy of commitment and even successful men can be happy to date and marry one of those empowered, fun, sexually experienced top-notch women. You can also tell that the propaganda is moving up a notch - in Sex and The City for 3 of those women they were rather shown as ladies who just could not find Mr. Right, but were trying their best.

All pretense is now gone and hypergamy is to be embraced. I expect Lifetime Christian movies start pushing the reformed slut too in the near future.

Here is what is shown young girls and boys in an upcoming animation movie:





Notice the daydreaming of the wife about her former lover in her youth - what would the reaction be if the husband thought of his 18 year old former girlfriend while having supper with the family? Also look at the behavior and the words of the daughter and the blatant disrespect she is displaying - never mind about the wife who thinks him to be an idiot who is only interested in sports. And this is a movie families are supposed to go to?

All media and almost all entertainment is blatant propaganda - the only way to deprogram yourself is either to stop watching it or being aware of their deception points and talk with your family or kids about it.

What will it be next on the agenda? I think it's possible that they will start pushing some kind of open-family poly-amory so that women can still fuck their Alphas openly, but get the provisioning of the Betas nonetheless. Ah well - it's as rotten as can be....

Post: #31

Like Heartiste said, most sluts are 5s, 6s and 7s.

Post: #32

I nearly spit out food upon reading the new title

Post: #33

(02-12-2015 11:32 AM)scorpion Wrote:  the men will then be subjected to an hour and a half of programming that belittles them and encourages them to expect abominable behavior from women, because "that's just how things are these days".

This is what I even seen in the community, an acceptance of this is just how things are. I think I saw a post the other day that advised move to a Midwestern city and find a young girl... she will probably have some slutiness in her past but that is to be expected. Why is it expected?

There will never be change unless you proactively reject this horseshit.

Post: #34

(02-12-2015 09:03 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Thread titles are supposed to be descriptive and honest. They should not be clickbait Buzzfeed type titles. Judd Apatow is not trolling the manosphere, so that's deceptive. Nor does that describe anything concrete, so it's not descriptive either, though you do say it's a Judd Apatow movie. I'd write a title like "New Judd Apatow Comedy "Trainwreck" About A Raging Strumpet Falling In Love"

People are used to seeing clickbait and hyperbolic media everywhere, and then it infects how they communicate in places like this.

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. I will remember that for the future. To be honest, I was sitting around drinking last night and scrolling through Dalrocks latest posts and saw this vid posted in the comments with basically the same title. So, I came here looking to see what commentary you guys might have on it, searched the forum and came up empty. So I figured I would post it and was just generally lazy with the title.

Thanks again.

Post: #35

(02-12-2015 11:32 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 10:43 AM)Seamus Wrote:  And this doesn't seem any more bluepill than normal anyway. The female lead is a huge slut, which isn't glorified at all (e.g. the homeless guy making fun of her for her walk of shame), the dad blasting monogamy in the beginning is pretty much how I feel as a man, and that last scene is a pretty great skewering of the modern female's approach to dating (disgusted by a nice guy who doesn't just want to pump and dump her).

Your post is a great example of why propaganda/subversive programming like this film works: most people simply can't recognize it. They don't understand how programming works. The think that because the behavior on screen "isn't glorified" (i.e. is often presented in a comedic fashion) that the behavior is therefore being condemned, and that the audience is internalizing this lesson. But this is absolutely not true. The reality is that when you show people visual images of behavior and accompany them with humor, you are creating a psychological association of positivity in the viewer's mind. They associate the behavior with the good feelings they got from laughter. So far from not glorifying trashy behavior, films like this encourage it, not only from the direct onscreen example acted out by a sympathetic main character, but by the subliminal psychological process I just outlined (using humor to associate positive emotions with a displayed behavior).

There's also the fact that movies, especially of this type (female-marketed romantic comedies) have happy endings for the main character. This means that despite everything that happens to the woman in this story, everything is going to turn out well for her in the end. This also encourages the viewer to partake in her abominable behavior, because the message is that such behavior has no consequences: everything will go your way in the end. This gives young women a license to party, do drugs and whore around in their 20s, because they believe they can count on a Prince Charming to rescue them when the time is right. I mean, in this film that premise could not be displayed more blatantly - this obnoxious, ugly woman is asked out on a date by a very successful surgeon immediately after displaying her stupidity. The overall message of the film is very clear: "Ladies, behave like sluts, focus on your career and having fun above all else, and be assured that some wealthy man will be begging to marry you when you're ready."

And it's very obvious why John Cena and Lebron are in the movie (and featured in the trailer): to ensure that women are able to drag men along to the theater with them. Once there, in exchange for seeing their favorite sports stars on screen for a few minutes, the men will then be subjected to an hour and a half of programming that belittles them and encourages them to expect abominable behavior from women, because "that's just how things are these days".

+1 That is an amazing analysis. I was wondering whether or not Judd Apatow was edgy in a red pill way but had to commit to Hollywood feminist standards to get his movies made or whether he was feminist and used some red pill thinking as comedic relief to be a bit edgy.

What I mean by this is that his movies do seem to be edgy in a slight red pill way. It's been awhile since I watched any of his movies but I used to like them in my more blue pill days.

Think about 40 year old virgin. There is the fact that the main character ends up with a post wall grandma milf, so that seems fairly feminist. On the other hand there are many scenes in the movie that might seem more red pill. The fact that she lies about having children on the date, the scene about how picking up girls is like planting weeds, 20$ beer night, and those are just off the top of my head. The same seems true of other movies like Knocked up or Funny People. Where there seems to be a lot of, maybe not red pill but, more masculine views presented.

So, I have wondered in what way was it supposed to be subversive. Your post really shines a light on some things I haven't thought about much. Thanks.

Post: #36

(02-12-2015 11:30 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Why didnt they choose a hotter chick? Like Scarlett Johansen.

In general, Attractive women are not funny.

But the real joke isn't that this slovenly fat chick is able to pull body builders and doctors.

The real joke is that a lot of average and unaware people are going to complain about it, while it's happening all around them.

Fatties and Ugmos are making demands nowadays, and having them met.

WIA

Post: #37

After watching the trailer I can't decide who I want to punch more in the face, the chick or the guy.

Post: #38

Outreach + Game Opporpoonity...

Outreach: We go to our local theaters and hand out copies of Bang or The Game to guys going to this movie (presumably with their chics)
- then -
Opporpoonity: Pick off chics walking out of Fifty Shades of Grey

Feel good about giving back AND take advantage of pre-moistened poos

Post: #39

(02-12-2015 11:53 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  How many doctors are going to see this and realized they married a whore? Haha.

I know a Chinese-American woman whose brother makes 7 figures a year as a surgeon. He married a white American single mother nurse who worked in his hospital. She’s popped out 3 of his kids in addition to her first kid, that she had as a teenager back in the mid-west. She doesn’t work and he pays for everything. She’s also getting very chubby.

On their wedding day his old-school Chinese mother was crying and she was totally against the marriage. The wife barely interacts with the Chinese family and all of them can’t stand her. The surgeon is too beta with own wife to lay down the law regarding dealing with his family.

Years ago, the woman asked her brother what saw in the single mother…his answer was, ”She’s blonde and has big tits, what else do you need?!”

The surgeon is now thinking of dumping her, since she's a shitty person to his family and she's getting fat. No matter what happens, she's made financially for the rest of her life.

Post: #40

I'll be honest: I watched that scene of the father lecturing his kids that monogamy is not realistic and it felt like I took a punch to the gut. It was sick. It is the sort of emotional child abuse that SJWs complains about and will doubtless give this movie a pass on.

I mean, fuck. Try and think of any father to preteen kids, even in the worst throes of the meanest divorce imaginable, who would take his aggression out on his female (or male) children this way? Who the fuck does that in real life?

Some psycho men do kill their kids, yes, I grant you, but I cannot think of an instance in the real fucking world when a relatively sane father -- divorced or not, alpha, beta or not -- who would be giving this advice to his kids.

But I'll tell you who does that sort of thing: women. This sort of mental shit is the kind of thing single mothers do to their kids to poison them against the father. Put long hair on the Dad, and that scene becomes pedestrian, even expected from a single mother household.

But of course it had to be the father who ruined his daughter, who gives the daughter a plot-based excuse for her shitty behaviour. It's never the wife, or the mother, who presumably has the kids around for 95% of their lives, who influences how they go on to live their lives. In literally ten seconds, it dismisses out of hand that fathers are capable of anything less than being irresponsible children who don't think about their actions or deliberately engage in psycho brainwashing of their kids. This shot is another one fired at fathers, gentlemen, don't see it as anything less.

Post: #41

My immediate reaction was similar to many of you:

1) Tons of one night stands, focus on John Cena, big muscular guy.

2) She ends up with an awkward, bumbling doctor.

Literally "alpha fucks, beta bucks" yes?

And my first reaction as well was that Lebron was thrown in the movie so that guys may be dragged to it (and agree that his acting isn't that bad).

Simply put, it is female fantasy for the modern woman. Problem is, it won't end well for a vast majority of them. Guys like John Cena wouldn't be caught dead at a movie with a fat girl like that. Nor will a doctor be willing to marry a fat slut.

But it will still appeal to the average modern woman, since the average modern woman is an obnoxious, self important, fattie. But in real life at best it will be a drunken bang where the guy kicks her out not vice versa, and there will not be doctors at the end of the road, only cats.

Post: #42

(02-12-2015 03:42 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  But the real joke isn't that this slovenly fat chick is able to pull body builders and doctors.

Yeah, the bitter real joke is that chicks like that ARE ableto pull body builders and doctors, especially those a bit older who seem to think "yeah, she's not in the best shape but still better than the post-wall girls(*) that are my age"

(*) without knowing what post-wall girls are.

Post: #43

^^^It can happen, but very rarely.

Anecdotal I know, but of the doctors I know (family, clients) not a single one has a fat wife. Even the ones that gained a little bit of weight did so after having kids, and they met years ago. On top of that my fit/successful friends that have gone dumpster diving in the past who are now settled down ended up with a cute, fit woman.

Not a single one settled down with some mid-career, hyper, dumpy semi-fattie who has had hundreds of dicks in her. This will certainly appeal to the XOJane/HuffPo/Jezebel crowd because it fits their view of the world, but no one else really.

Post: #44

Movies are about selling fantasies most of the time. Of course it is going to want to make fat chicks feel desirable and attractive and give the message of you can also have your choice of men. Hollywood makes products to try and hit large groups of people to sell tickets.

Plenty of fat chicks willing to buy tickets to make themselves feel special while slamming cocoa cola(not the diet version), buttery popcorn and sour patch kids.

Few are going to buy tickets to a movie fat shamming them or tell them they will not have happily ever after.

Post: #45

didn't know they had merchandise allready

Post: #46

. Once there, in exchange for seeing their favorite sports stars on screen for a few minutes, the men will then be subjected to an hour and a half of programming that belittles them and encourages them to expect abominable behavior from women, because "that's just how things are these days".


It's a Judd Apatow film, so you'd be lucky to be in and out in an hour and a half. I think we're looking at 2 hours and 20 minutes, with 40 useless minutes of the fat chick developing feelings.

Post: #47

Did someone mention chubby sluts...? In a previous life, those were a specialty of mine, heh.

Post: #48

What the heck are you guys talking about ?

This ISN'T a movie, this IS a biopic of the average American female.

Post: #49

(02-12-2015 11:32 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 10:43 AM)Seamus Wrote:  And this doesn't seem any more bluepill than normal anyway. The female lead is a huge slut, which isn't glorified at all (e.g. the homeless guy making fun of her for her walk of shame), the dad blasting monogamy in the beginning is pretty much how I feel as a man, and that last scene is a pretty great skewering of the modern female's approach to dating (disgusted by a nice guy who doesn't just want to pump and dump her).

Your post is a great example of why propaganda/subversive programming like this film works: most people simply can't recognize it. They don't understand how programming works. The think that because the behavior on screen "isn't glorified" (i.e. is often presented in a comedic fashion) that the behavior is therefore being condemned, and that the audience is internalizing this lesson. But this is absolutely not true. The reality is that when you show people visual images of behavior and accompany them with humor, you are creating a psychological association of positivity in the viewer's mind. They associate the behavior with the good feelings they got from laughter. So far from not glorifying trashy behavior, films like this encourage it, not only from the direct onscreen example acted out by a sympathetic main character, but by the subliminal psychological process I just outlined (using humor to associate positive emotions with a displayed behavior).

There's also the fact that movies, especially of this type (female-marketed romantic comedies) have happy endings for the main character. This means that despite everything that happens to the woman in this story, everything is going to turn out well for her in the end. This also encourages the viewer to partake in her abominable behavior, because the message is that such behavior has no consequences: everything will go your way in the end. This gives young women a license to party, do drugs and whore around in their 20s, because they believe they can count on a Prince Charming to rescue them when the time is right. I mean, in this film that premise could not be displayed more blatantly - this obnoxious, ugly woman is asked out on a date by a very successful surgeon immediately after displaying her stupidity. The overall message of the film is very clear: "Ladies, behave like sluts, focus on your career and having fun above all else, and be assured that some wealthy man will be begging to marry you when you're ready."

And it's very obvious why John Cena and Lebron are in the movie (and featured in the trailer): to ensure that women are able to drag men along to the theater with them. Once there, in exchange for seeing their favorite sports stars on screen for a few minutes, the men will then be subjected to an hour and a half of programming that belittles them and encourages them to expect abominable behavior from women, because "that's just how things are these days".

So true. If you think programming isn't real in movies try this:

If you watched the movie Mrs. Doubtfire as a kid/teenager go back and watch it as an adult. I watched it the other day...and holy shit is all I have to say.

Post: #50

How many of you guys have actually seen Amy Schumer's Comedy? Any bit she does it always revolves around the same point. "I'm cute enough that guys wanna have sex with me but not hot enough that they want me as their girlfriend." This isn't far from the truth, the majority of guys in this forum will gladly unload on girls that look like Amy Schumer but will resist doing any relationship stuff with her.

This movie will most likely drive the same point. I know, Its difficult to take from this trailer, other than the scene where her boss tells her that she is approachable because she isn't sexy, but this is the initial trailer where they need to reel in first key market of the film.

The studio commissions 3-4 vendors to come up with a trailer based on an early edited version of the film, they also tell them the target demographic. Of those trailers, they pick one and launch(after its probably "studio mastered"). They then send the infield marketing team to theaters across US-CAN to ask questions- usually after people come out of the theater: "what movies are u interested in watching?, have you heard about 'Trianwreck', are you going to watch it?" After this process they look at the data and commission more vendors to come up with a trailer to target a 2nd demographic(most likely men). As the opening date approaches, the 2nd trailer is released.

This trailer was mostly: "free spirited spinster in NY with awesome 'creative job' sleeps with buff good looking men." The first demographic will eat this up!

My hunch is the 2nd trailer that will be released will be mot likely be: "barely bangable woman in her 30s seeking self esteem from men that don't want to waste a boner."