A little tip - this may be old news for a few but I thought I would share it anyways.

Friday after a rough week at work, I did not feel like going home. I am in need of some new jeans so I headed to the mall, not the closest one to me but a medium to upscale mall a little further. It was a payday and the end of the month to boot.
Sadly, I wasn't the most presentable and once again I was caught off guard.
There were a few girls walking the mall solo, one or two actually gave me a second glance. One in particular was a very attractive mixed race looking black girl, she was probably aged 25 or 26. I am in my 40s.
I didn't approach and feel like a pussy for not doing anything, instead I grabbed some sushi and sat on a bench hoping she might walk by.
Malls at the right time, can be goldmine. I find this particular mall always good Friday after work, girls getting paid or a few buying things for the weekend. I will try again in a few weeks, this time I will be better prepared (grooming).

So after Me, Gio's, and Trav's conversation on the last page

I ironically ended up on a short date with an 19 year old and banging an 18 year old the same night.

Friday night was fucking awesome, went to another show, got in the pit and got scummy.

Saturday worked all day, the 34 year old hot mom bailed because her daughters sleepover was cancelled, no loss there, because I already had pipelined 3 other girls.

I text this 23 year old who was at a wedding but wanted to meet later, I text this 19 year old girl and she agrees to meet over coffee, I text this 18 year old girl and she agrees for me to pick her up to hangout a bit later. ALWAYS HAVE OPTIONS.

Got off in time to see the Silva vs. Diaz fight (Team Silva!). My friends just got finished brewery hopping for a buds bday and got dropped off at a local bar. I stop by to watch the fight with my friends, had a mug of hef and a special shot the owner makes for free.

In the middle of the first round, two of my friends start shoving each other and a fight almost ensues, all while I'm laughing at their antics. One dude is jacked the other dude is little and skinny, literally a David vs. Goliath scene.

I get a text from the 19 year old saying she's almost there, I close my tab for the mug, dip out to the coffee place.

The coffee place happens to be next very packed major chain sports bar with TV's outside, there were literally 100 people watching the UFC fight on the plaza.

I'm totally buzzed and have no nervousness what so ever.

I watch the fight while waiting for her, she shows up:

She's this skinny little cute black girl with a very pretty face. I'd rate her a solid 8 unfortunately she has SHORT hair with the sides shaved a bit. The top was sort of cute to the side, it just fit her personality.

She was very polite, definitely a bit shy, gave good eye contact.

We grab our coffees and go outside to watch the rest of the fight, I'm explaining the history of Silva and his comeback, she's shivering, but I told we're watching the rest of the fight until the decision. She doesn't disagree.

Silva wins, we go back inside and stand around talking waiting for some chairs to become free at the coffee house. I grab some chairs, we sit side by side, her legs are pointed towards me and gives great eye contact.

She's completely curious about what I do because I've nothing but made jokes about what I do. I finally explain it to her and she understand why I won't mention it before. We connect at a pretty good level about some subjects, she's generally pretty sweet and intrigued.

I felt like I was on Autopilot from being buzzed, by being cocky, teasing, and making her laugh alot.

There were a few pitfalls such as hunting animals, which was quickly put out because I explained the disconnect between consumers and the animals.

Another one is a standard redpill conversation with women, explaining how men are acting like women and women are acting like men. Saying how men can't make decisions and are insecure with no balls. How women are acting like ratchets with sailor mouths. She agreed.

Once again I ran my reading her personality/vibe routine and was correct on almost all of it, I swear you can do this shit with any girl.

We move to a table in the corner face to face across the table, talk some more, I take a piss, the 18 year texted me that she was ready and her address.

I sit back down talk a bit more and then tell her I have to bounce, she told me she was embarrassed that I was walking her to her car, because her car was ghetto.

Her car was NOWHERE near ghetto, I give her a hug then pull back and use my "You know what ? Fuck this" line and make out with her. Super soft lips, she pushed into me, started using tongue and we kept going for a bit. I pull away saying I need to take off and I'll talk to her later.

She text me right after asking for the nearest gas station. I just sent her the address.

Overall her whole demeanor was very feminine and shy, I was VERY pleasantly surprised by this.

I took off and banged the 18 year old, you can read up on this here.

On a side note:

This weekend was rad, the show, the date, the bang.

Superbowl Sunday was the best:

Went shooting with a bunch of people, had targets set up, up to 100 yards.

Got to shoot this fucking bad boy also:

Smith & Wesson .500


Bummer is the guy's optics on this thing broke after a few others fired it.

Superbowl party was fun, it was a couples kind of party which was whatever, I went with my main.

I won a few $100 in the pool at the end of a quarter, I also won the entire pot for my works pool.

(01-30-2015 03:25 PM)robreke Wrote:  Just shows how far gone and damaged Western women have become.

(01-30-2015 04:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Another casualty of the West.

Sorry guys, it's nothing personal..

I am just a big supporter of "The West".

I like to defend Western Civilization. We have plenty of faults but so does everyone else, that's my main point.

I just like White women from The United States and Canada. (under the age of 24)

And, I like to defend my culture sometimes.

(01-30-2015 05:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Some RVF'ers criticize western women because that's all they interact with, they don't think outside they're borders, most Americans don't.

So we talk about what we've experienced....the western girl. No doubt there are more fucked up things going out there.

This is just another first world problem we have.

Well said.

We complain about American women because that is all we know.

Great response!

(01-30-2015 06:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Chinese girl

I recently dated a Chinese girl. Born here but raised very Chinese.

She was awesome. Took great care of me.

In the future, I will date more Asian.

(01-30-2015 06:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  You need to go to the Travel Forum. Book a ticket to a foreign city

I have lived in Brazil, 6 months, the girls were awesome!

I have lived in Mexico, 3 months, the girls were awesome!

I agree that foreign women are often better then American women.

But, that said, there are still plenty of beautiful, feminine women here in the USA and Canada.

I think American girls are easy.

(01-30-2015 06:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I am guessing your love for American girls has increased with your game.

My love for all women has increased as my game has gotten better.

Women no longer frustrate me. They are my playmates in this game.

(01-30-2015 06:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  And saying guys on the Game board complain about American women because we most likely don't have success? Frankly I didn't think you would think that way.

I didn't mean it that way...

If you have had success in the US and overseas, I was not talking to you.

I was talking to the guys that struggle with American women and then they blame American cultural for their lack of success.

If you are not working hard to improve your game, then I don't want to hear your complaints about your culture and your women.

I am happy to help guys discuss how to adjust to their culture and their women but flat out complaining is bitch behavior to me.

(Just to be clear: I'm not saying that travesty444 was bitching. He wasn't)

(01-30-2015 06:32 PM)Libertas Wrote:  "wait a bit before responding after she texts you"

Is anyone still recommending this?

I thought that died years ago with the "3 day" rule?

(02-02-2015 05:36 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Is anyone still recommending this?

I thought that died years ago with the "3 day" rule?

Not sure, nonetheless I was falling into it. I think I've been trying too hard not to appear thirsty and losing momentum because of it. I'm learning that attraction gets lost even from a great interaction (which almost all of my approaches are these days) fast and so you need to constantly be a presence. Paradoxically, trying not to appear thirsty probably made me look thirsty.

Anyway, I've been getting a lot bolder in my approaches now. I'm beginning to take pictures with girls (good to diversify into online game with) and have begun attempting kiss closes.

Libertas,

I wanted to touch on the point you made about needing to be a presence in order to not lose the attraction.

I am finding this to be true even with girls I've dated and/or banged. In my experience if I go any longer than a week without seeing them, the attraction is almost completely lost and meeting up again is tough. I also only text for logistics, so maybe I should run some more comfort texts to keep me in her mind (I am clueless in this domain).

As I'm getting better with girls I'm finding that I'm dating multiple girls simultaneously. Between those dates and the fact that I go hard at the gym 3 weeknights/week, its tough to make time for them all. I also don't really WANT to see these girls every week since I think that's a little too frequent, at least in the beginning.

Anyone else have experience in dealing with this?

(02-02-2015 07:37 PM)redonion Wrote:  I am finding this to be true even with girls I've dated and/or banged. In my experience if I go any longer than a week without seeing them, the attraction is almost completely lost and meeting up again is tough. I also only text for logistics, so maybe I should run some more comfort texts to keep me in her mind (I am clueless in this domain).

As I'm getting better with girls I'm finding that I'm dating multiple girls simultaneously. Between those dates and the fact that I go hard at the gym 3 weeknights/week, its tough to make time for them all. I also don't really WANT to see these girls every week since I think that's a little too frequent, at least in the beginning.

Anyone else have experience in dealing with this?

Yes run some comfort texts, send them random shit like pics video links. Make sure it's memorable also.
Do you call them at all ?
You have to make sure you're memorable, snap chat is a great way to maintain contact with these girls. (they've recently gotten rid of the top 3 people you text being public)

Here's something I've done, I always tell girls I work 7 days a week (true) and that I travel a lot for work so I'm out of town a bit (not fully true).

This puts them into the mindset:
1. Rad he travels a lot, he has some good stories (true)(smv)
2. Well he hasn't contacted me much since he's busy.
3. Oh wow he took time out of his busy schedule to hit me up (you must have SMV with her) for this.
4.We'll hangout soon just not this week since he's busy.

You get the point - be busy as fuck, let them know you do what you want, you're always active and on the go (as you should be, I am). This shows higher SMV, it'll make their hamster spin, it also filters out the ones who are super needy and possibly want LTR's (if you don't want that).

Dude I go to the gym right after work 5-6 days a week AND set all my dates around 8:30 primetime to grab drinks with a chick and bang. Typically they're at my house by 11, get the bang and they're out by 1 at the latest, I'll still get about 5-6 hours of sleep.

Don't have TOO many girls in your rotation (this sound stupid, but it's how I learned to manage a rotation) to where your harem will collapse due to infrequent communication and dates. Keep it simple at first maybe 1-2 regulars a week, followed by 1-2 new bangs/dates per week.

I can't tell you how many plates I've lost because I was all about the hunt and new dates and new numbers.

This gives you regular sex, the ability to pursue newer and better plates, and also give you some "me" time as well. To be honest I RARELY bring plates on weekends (new bangs/dates are ok) because I like my me time and time with the boys (If I have nothing going on, I'll call up a plate).

Always evaluate new plates - you might have to promote some and demote others, I like keeping things fresh (even with a main HB 8).

I'm going to write some info up regarding how to maintain texts, calls, pics, etc. I'll try and do that tomorrow morning since I've got a new potential bang coming over tonight.

(02-02-2015 08:04 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I'm going to write some info up regarding how to maintain texts, calls, pics, etc. I'll try and do that tomorrow morning since I've got a new potential bang coming over tonight.

Looking forward to reading it. Honestly I feel like I'm at that point where I'm so damn close to getting my game to tremendous heights, and it's this one little thing (maintaining momentum over text/phone) that's a snag.

I know this isn't unique. This is a sticking point for a lot of guys. Perhaps this is a pretty ENTJ thing to say but an organized and simple system should really be devised.

I honestly think like the text/phone material out there is still mired in the old PUA bullshit. Chris at GLL has made some good remarks about text/phone but he is at a very advanced level and I'm not sure how well it works for guys that are still beginners that have been really doing it for less than a year.

Anyone else have girls ask them "what are we doing" in regards to a first date after you've scheduled drinks at a bar?

I've had a couple of girls recently ask me this after organising to meet them at a bar for a first date.
Me: Let's meet at X on Y street at 8.30pm
Her: Great, what are we doing?

I normally respond with "it's a bar so we'll grab a drink and see what happens from there".
Maybe they don't know it's a bar because of the name?
It just seems like a weird question to ask.

Even vets make mistakes:

Just got SIF'ed, her pics looked WAY better. Spent 30 mins talking outside a drive through coffee shop.

Even with all the angles I requested, still couldn't get a nude out of her before hand. (I knew there was a reason)

My main wanted to hang tonight but I wanted alone time and this SIF popped up on my radar, so I said fuck it.

I literally had no filter and said what I wanted, she agreed with everything.

Everything thing I did, she did.

Basically was trying to build a reflection of me to relate too.

I-WAS-NOT-HAVING-IT.

I told her I was tired and drove her back to her car. Half assed hugged her and waiting for her to leave my street before walking inside.

My dick shriveled up from that, pretty disappointed in myself.

Current Status:

^ It is extremely rare for a fit girl to not have 1 full body in workout gear, a bikini, or a tight dress.

If everything is tits, shoulders, and neck up at different angles...

Myspace selfie, the Devil himself created it.

(02-03-2015 03:08 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ It is extremely rare for a fit girl to not have 1 full body in workout gear, a bikini, or a tight dress.

If everything is tits, shoulders, and neck up at different angles...

Myspace selfie, the Devil himself created it.

Indeed he did, indeed he did my friend.

Such is life, glad I didn't waste a lot of time on this one.

I think she smoked herself stupid.

Just got "I-gained-20-kg-today"ed for today's date. Turns out she was extremely fat and her picture hid it well.

I said I needed to go to the bathroom. She's still probably waiting.

So uh.... can such a thing as a "too bony" girl exist?

I was with this slender girl (skinny fat really. almost 0 muscle mass but she didn't look fat, was just soft to the touch. would probably be ridiculously thin if she lost all the usual woman fat), we proceeded to go smash in my bedroom. She told me she likes clit stimulation, we start doing missionary, I pump away and.... it hurts. It hurts me. Every time I thrusted my pelvis hit her pelvic bone and it was just bone on bone fighting. At some point I started doing shallow thrusts just to not even touch her pelvis but she started raising up her hips and then it was bone on bone again.

And today it feels like I have a bruise above my dick. That is a really new experience, anyone had anything like it?

(02-02-2015 09:29 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 08:04 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I'm going to write some info up regarding how to maintain texts, calls, pics, etc. I'll try and do that tomorrow morning since I've got a new potential bang coming over tonight.

Looking forward to reading it. Honestly I feel like I'm at that point where I'm so damn close to getting my game to tremendous heights, and it's this one little thing (maintaining momentum over text/phone) that's a snag.

I know this isn't unique. This is a sticking point for a lot of guys. Perhaps this is a pretty ENTJ thing to say but an organized and simple system should really be devised.

I honestly think like the text/phone material out there is still mired in the old PUA bullshit. Chris at GLL has made some good remarks about text/phone but he is at a very advanced level and I'm not sure how well it works for guys that are still beginners that have been really doing it for less than a year.

Ask and you shall receive, wrote a crude personal guide to maintenance texting:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-11951-...#pid948297

(02-03-2015 03:52 PM)Rangarr Wrote:  And today it feels like I have a bruise above my dick. That is a really new experience, anyone had anything like it?

I've had that, but it wasn't really from a chick that was too bony (although she wasn't fat). Man, that sounds awful. When it happened to me I rather enjoyed everything that got me to that point.

(01-30-2015 06:18 PM)Giovonny Wrote:I have lived in Brazil, 6 months, the girls were awesome!

I have lived in Mexico, 3 months, the girls were awesome!

I agree that foreign women are often better then American women.

But, that said, there are still plenty of beautiful, feminine women here in the USA and Canada.

I think American girls are easy.

My love for all women has increased as my game has gotten better.

Women no longer frustrate me. They are my playmates in this game.

Well said my man. You gotta learn how to appreciate all aspects of the game...
the easy times and the frustrating times if you want to win.

I owe nearly all of my success to living outside the country...
where I could develop my skills in a pretty positive environment.

It's like training with Kung Fu masters in the East and then coming
back to the West with some serious skills...it's not that things are easier...
it's just that you're a lot better...like a bottle of brandy...

Waiting at a casino bar for a tinder date. We texted this afternoon and she agreed to meet. About an hour ago I texted I was running a little late. ... no response. Damn sure hope she shows as this place is out of my way.

She just turned 21. We'll see.

My first OKcupid date turned out to flake on me without even texting/calling. I pulled number a couple weeks ago.

OKcupid number for the week seems responsive, tried to push early to meet up on Sunday she declined for next sunday. Seems a bit too far out, going to push for something earlier but we'll see.

I am debating going out tonight. Work has been dismally boring and not fulfilling right now, and I wonder what goes on in my neighborhood bar on a Thursday...

So I'm in hot water.

My plate I've been dating for a few months is LIVID because I accidently hit on her boss from work. I did not know.

She's embarrassed and angry because she's been telling them we're exclusive(made it clear to her several times we're not but she's in LaLa land.

She called me crying.

I really don't know how to handle this.

Need immediate help containing this

(02-05-2015 09:17 PM)robreke Wrote:  Waiting at a casino bar for a tinder date. We texted this afternoon and she agreed to meet. About an hour ago I texted I was running a little late. ... no response. Damn sure hope she shows as this place is out of my way.

She just turned 21. We'll see.

She showed. Cute face, nice girl....unfortunately a SIF.

Quick drinks, got the bill and said our goodbyes.

Back to day game and the occasional night game where I can see in person what I'm buying.

This W. Anton book is really good.

The evo-psych stuff could use an update.
And he really should understand feminism a little better to critique it.

But the stuff about society valuing altruism, but women do not...
How socialization holds us all back...

Update.

Held my frame. Everything went well.

I'll probably open my tinder account again and continue to hit on girls.

I don't care

I'm an attorney who defends court-appointed clients (poor people). I usually get very limited time to meet with non-felony clients before their trials—typically a phone call a week before and then five minutes in the waiting room before court. Most of my female clients are marginal people, and do not pass the boner test anyway. I've never so much as even flirted with one since I started practicing criminal law several years ago.

This lizard was different. She called me a week before her trial, per usual, and sounded like she might be cute. So I googled her name and, yeah—she was pretty good looking. Thin, pretty, long hair, and in her mid-20s. Nonetheless I treated her case the same as any other: I informed her of her legal rights, of the possible penalties if found guilty of the charges, and gave her my advice regarding what we should offer the prosecutor in plea negotiation.

Trial day came, and I was able to cut her a better-than-average deal from the prosecutor. Before that though, I really beat her up psychologically, telling her how dumb she was to have gotten mixed up in what she did, as I often do, in order to persuade her not to get herself in this sort of situation again (some clients actually "get it" after these talks, many don't). So when we finally went before the judge and my client found out she wasn't going to jail today, it was clear from the look on her face she was in awe of me: I was the hero who saved her from a terrible fate (for now). This happens all the time when things go well, and quite the opposite when the client ends up going to jail. It's normal, and I don't let it go to my head. After that hearing in court, my representation of her was basically concluded.

But somehow I knew I could shag this chick if I wanted to—when you've been gaming for a long time, you develop that sixth sense. So I offered her a ride home (she had taken the bus, like most of my clients, who usually have lost their licenses long ago). She accepted, and I started up the flirty banter as I drove. She was responding very well. At one point I pulled over on a side street, reached over, and just kissed her—no resistance. In fact, she suggested I take her to a parking garage. So I did, and that was where I got my first client bang. It was thrilling, fun, quick, and left me feeling odd, but satisfied. As we got dressed and relaxed in the afterglow in the back seat of my car, she told me she'd been attracted to me since she first saw me. She thanked me for the thrill because, in her words, "court day is usually such a bummer."

In hindsight it was not the brightest move from a career perspective. Although my state bar does not specifically ban having sex with clients, nonetheless I am vulnerable to her filing a complaint. Yet it was a taboo I long fantasized about breaking, given the chance with the right woman.

Suppose to go to that Indian girls place tomm but the problem is I have way to many new leads for Saturday. Might have to flake due to lost interests.

On top of that I got my stable of two girls waiting for me to make a move. As soon as April hits I am washing myself clean on my two mares and starting a new.

T-minus 6 weeks until that winter thaw