Post: #26

(09-13-2011 07:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  When I talk about rape fantasy, I do not mean girls fantasize about getting punched in the face and broken limbs. I mean girls love the idea of a man taking them against there will and giving them a good romp. Women are very sexual creatures and many men forget this, they think that there 30 minute romp will satisfy her. Yet alot of women can go on alot longer than most men, of course a man's ego cannot handle the fact that his precious woman is that kind of girl.

Important point. We're not talking rape by a filthy stranger here but rather being taken by a dominant man who knows what he wants. An analysis of different studies recently found that between 31-57% have rape fantasies from time to time. These figures are probably on the low side since many women would be ashamed to admit to it. It's the other end of a continuum that starts with moderate domination.

Anyone who needs to work on their mindset in this respect should read My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday about women's fantasies. It's eye opening and encouraged me to be bolder - http://www.amazon.com/My-Secret-Garden-N...1416567011

Here are some possible reasons; some of them apply equally to gang bangs http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyc...-fantasies

Quote:•Masochism - The idea that women desire suffering. Women who engage in masochistic sex are more likely to have rape fantasies, but the great majority of women with rape fantasies do not want real rape. Accordingly, masochism may apply to only a small group of women.

•Sexual Blame Avoidance - (See my ex, above.) Women are socialized to not seek out sex lest they be considered tramps, but if they're having sex against their will they can avoid guilt. Studies comparing sexual repression to rape fantasies are mixed and overall don't support the explanation, but they may have been using wrong metrics; sexually repressed women have fewer fantasies overall but they might have a higher ratio of rape fantasies. In any case, this theory would apply to only some women.

•Openness to Sexual Experience - In some ways this is the opposite of the last one, and it doesn't explain rape fantasies so much as it describes the type of person to has them. If you're sexually open, you entertain a greater variety of fantasies. As one study described rape fantasy among these women, it's "just one more expression of a generally open, positive, unrestrictive, and relatively guilt-free expression of one's sexuality."

•Desirabilty - Many women like to believe that they're so attractive that men cannot resist the urge to overtake them. The evidence for this theory is suggestive but not yet conclusive. I did cover a study in Psychology Today last year indicating that women with attachment anxiety (neediness) have more sexual fantasies featuring submission.

•Male Rape Culture - Some have argued that women have been conditioned to buy into men's fantasies of domination. But the prevalence of rape fantasies has not changed much in recent decades, even as gender roles have.

•Biological Predisposition to Surrender - In many mammalian species, the male must pursue and subdue the female in order to mate. Women may be programmed to surrender to the successful dominant male. Just like many other theories in evolutionary psychology, this one makes sense but has not been tested empirically.

•Sympathetic Activation - The sympathetic nervous system becomes engaged in times of stress or danger, activating a fight or flight response marked by increased heart rate, respiration, pupil dilation, and genital arousal. Just like on a roller coaster, fear and excitement go hand in hand.

•Adversary Transformation - In one survey of romance novels (which tend to be written by and for women), the lead female character was raped in 54%. The male heroes are usually rugged warrior types and these books may illustrate a desire to "conquer the heart of the rapist" and tame him for marriage.

•Reaction to Trauma - This one is not mentioned in the paper, but Brett Kahr, a psychoanalyst who has conducted the largest survey of sexual fantasies ever, argues that most masturbatory fantasies are attempts to transform early difficult experiences into pleasure. So those who have been sexually abused may try to master their trauma by taming those experiences.

•Laziness - Also not mentioned in the paper. The writer Tracie Egan hints at this explanation in her essay entitled "One Rape Please (To Go)" about hiring a male prostitute to play-rape her (which I recently saw her read live): "...as a girl, my equipment can be trickier to manage, therefore I need to be a boss in the bedroom to ensure I get worked the right way. [But] it gets really tiresome always being the one in charge..."

Post: #27

In my experience the great majority of girls have rape fantasies. I put that number at 85%. The other 15% have something wrong with them haha. I love it since being rough, dominance, and control are all involved. The best ones have very, very specific rape fantasies, always a lot of fun.

Post: #28

(09-13-2011 08:35 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-13-2011 05:52 AM)pitt Wrote:  There were so many of them..damnn

Last yr i approached this mixed race chick with a phat ass outside a bar in London (she was really my type of girl). She was with a bunch of other girls like 8 of them..so i talk to all of them..my other two friends introduced themselves..take the girls number and tell her im going inside the bar.

After one hour she calls me and tells me that she cant go back to her place and asked me if she could come sleep at mine..im like ok kool..tell my friends im going home..told my homeboy when i start fucking her, i will tell him to come..we get home..the bitch knows what she is there for..i started fucking her..my homeboy gets home..fucks her too..and we just fuck her till the next morning (damn that girl even gave us problems..called police on us for letting our other friend bang her..but thats another story).

My homeboy was fucking this black chick with a phattt ass..he calls me and tells me to come to his house so we could gangbang her..i come..stay in the living room..she gets home and go straight to the room..soon as they start fucking..i come in..she sees me and is not saying shit..start grabbing her ass..and we fucked her the whole night..the next day, this other boy came too..and the three of us fucked her..we done that several time..i remember her husband calling her few times and asked her where she was (she looked like a girl you could trust)..she used to tell him that she was at her female friends house..cant trust no bitch..for real.

Another time in central london, we were just approaching every chick going in and coming out of the club..i see this black chick with a phat ass..i go talk to her..she is feeling me..tell her i got a party at my house and if she wants to come..she says yes..she tells her friend goodbye..and i tell her im running with my homeboy..she sees my homeboy..and she thinks is dream night..we take her home..try to touch her and shit and she is just taking too long to release that pussy..my homeboy tells me that he will give up in a min..im like chill out...take her to the room then i will come..he takes her there and starts fucking her then i come in and fucked her till next morning..she was a kenyan chick with a perfect ass (fuck i need to visit kenya for real).

This other time..two of my other friends call me and tell me that they have this girl up for a gangbang..im like ok coming..got there and the guys are just talking to her for ages..im like fuck this..lets fuck her..i take her to the toilet, she started blowing my dick there..took her to the living room again and we all fucked her.

Man im not going finish these stories today, i have so many of them..good fucking times..gotta get more paper for now.

Are you black? And all of this is in London??? Am I due for a revisit???

Yeah im black and all of this happened in London. But the thing is, not everybody in London get this kind of play, i knew guys with solid game that were not getting laid as much as me and the cats i was running with, i think our game was just too solid and really good looking guys together with good game just overkills.

Another funny thing is that i think London is the best city that prepares you to be that kinda of good player, the amount of flaking that you take, the cold environment that still forces you to go out gaming, the level of competition and confidence from most of other guys, the high number of women that lack good conversational skills, good phone services that give you lots of free minutes and you can game on the phone for ages (this can be an advantage or disavantage, depending on how you use it), etc. When you go to another country, it becomes a piece of cake and although i had many many girls in London, i still think is one of the worse places to game. I cant stand london for gaming purposes.

To the other guy saying why black women have high numbers of hiv - well im more into black women and most of the women i approach are black, so its obvious that i will sleep with more black women, but i have ran trains on white girls too, but black girls are more my thing.

Post: #29

(09-14-2011 05:54 AM)pitt Wrote:  Yeah im black and all of this happened in London. But the thing is, not everybody in London get this kind of play, i knew guys with solid game that were not getting laid as much as me and the cats i was running with, i think our game was just too solid and really good looking guys together with good game just overkills.

Another funny thing is that i think London is the best city that prepares you to be that kinda of good player, the amount of flaking that you take, the cold environment that still forces you to go out gaming, the level of competition and confidence from most of other guys, the high number of women that lack good conversational skills, good phone services that give you lots of free minutes and you can game on the phone for ages (this can be an advantage or disavantage, depending on how you use it), etc. When you go to another country, it becomes a piece of cake and although i had many many girls in London, i still think is one of the worse places to game. I cant stand london for gaming purposes.

To the other guy saying why black women have high numbers of hiv - well im more into black women and most of the women i approach are black, so its obvious that i will sleep with more black women, but i have ran trains on white girls too, but black girls are more my thing.

What area of London are you from??! Souf, Norf Wheezy, West or East? *Wondering if things have changed that much (jezzies letting off easier than ever) or was my game just too basic back then...??*


I think the flaking in Toronto is unbelievable, it even tops London (in my eyes).

Post: #30

Canadian tramps (white girls) hands down are #1 for running trains, and gangbang on... No question, no doubt!!!

Easiest country to run trains...

It's in their DNA..

Post: #31

(09-14-2011 08:35 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 05:54 AM)pitt Wrote:  Yeah im black and all of this happened in London. But the thing is, not everybody in London get this kind of play, i knew guys with solid game that were not getting laid as much as me and the cats i was running with, i think our game was just too solid and really good looking guys together with good game just overkills.

Another funny thing is that i think London is the best city that prepares you to be that kinda of good player, the amount of flaking that you take, the cold environment that still forces you to go out gaming, the level of competition and confidence from most of other guys, the high number of women that lack good conversational skills, good phone services that give you lots of free minutes and you can game on the phone for ages (this can be an advantage or disavantage, depending on how you use it), etc. When you go to another country, it becomes a piece of cake and although i had many many girls in London, i still think is one of the worse places to game. I cant stand london for gaming purposes.

To the other guy saying why black women have high numbers of hiv - well im more into black women and most of the women i approach are black, so its obvious that i will sleep with more black women, but i have ran trains on white girls too, but black girls are more my thing.

What area of London are you from??! Souf, Norf Wheezy, West or East? *Wondering if things have changed that much (jezzies letting off easier than ever) or was my game just too basic back then...??*


I think the flaking in Toronto is unbelievable, it even tops London (in my eyes).

Lived both in south and east London.but i notice that the stronger was my game, the more i was sleeping around, so it shouldnt matter what part of London you at.

I stayed in Toronto for 4 days, it was the only place i have ever been that i didnt fuck a single chick..but i found chicks to be very friendly..my logistics just didnt help much in closing the deal, plus i was always out with more than 15 dudes and that just made it harder to fuck around..but damn, i truly loved toronto.

You seem to be a well travelled guy..just wondering..what was the easiest city you ever been to sleep around?

Post: #32

(09-14-2011 12:55 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 08:35 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 05:54 AM)pitt Wrote:  Yeah im black and all of this happened in London. But the thing is, not everybody in London get this kind of play, i knew guys with solid game that were not getting laid as much as me and the cats i was running with, i think our game was just too solid and really good looking guys together with good game just overkills.

Another funny thing is that i think London is the best city that prepares you to be that kinda of good player, the amount of flaking that you take, the cold environment that still forces you to go out gaming, the level of competition and confidence from most of other guys, the high number of women that lack good conversational skills, good phone services that give you lots of free minutes and you can game on the phone for ages (this can be an advantage or disavantage, depending on how you use it), etc. When you go to another country, it becomes a piece of cake and although i had many many girls in London, i still think is one of the worse places to game. I cant stand london for gaming purposes.

To the other guy saying why black women have high numbers of hiv - well im more into black women and most of the women i approach are black, so its obvious that i will sleep with more black women, but i have ran trains on white girls too, but black girls are more my thing.

What area of London are you from??! Souf, Norf Wheezy, West or East? *Wondering if things have changed that much (jezzies letting off easier than ever) or was my game just too basic back then...??*


I think the flaking in Toronto is unbelievable, it even tops London (in my eyes).

Lived both in south and east London.but i notice that the stronger was my game, the more i was sleeping around, so it shouldnt matter what part of London you at.

I stayed in Toronto for 4 days, it was the only place i have ever been that i didnt fuck a single chick..but i found chicks to be very friendly..my logistics just didnt help much in closing the deal, plus i was always out with more than 15 dudes and that just made it harder to fuck around..but damn, i truly loved toronto.

You seem to be a well travelled guy..just wondering..what was the easiest city you ever been to sleep around?

I reckon that most cities outside of Toronto have been the easiest. Winnipeg, Ottawa to name a few.
I also found Miami to be very easy too.

So it's Ottawa and Miami (on a joint)..piece of piss there.

Post: #33

(09-13-2011 08:56 AM)Martin_Heidegger Wrote:  Bestial

That's the word we're looking for! Describing smth inhuman and animalistic. There's also an element of semi-faggotry-why see a buddy's ass while you yourself are nutting?? WTF!?

Post: #34

(09-14-2011 06:10 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 12:55 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 08:35 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 05:54 AM)pitt Wrote:  Yeah im black and all of this happened in London. But the thing is, not everybody in London get this kind of play, i knew guys with solid game that were not getting laid as much as me and the cats i was running with, i think our game was just too solid and really good looking guys together with good game just overkills.

Another funny thing is that i think London is the best city that prepares you to be that kinda of good player, the amount of flaking that you take, the cold environment that still forces you to go out gaming, the level of competition and confidence from most of other guys, the high number of women that lack good conversational skills, good phone services that give you lots of free minutes and you can game on the phone for ages (this can be an advantage or disavantage, depending on how you use it), etc. When you go to another country, it becomes a piece of cake and although i had many many girls in London, i still think is one of the worse places to game. I cant stand london for gaming purposes.

To the other guy saying why black women have high numbers of hiv - well im more into black women and most of the women i approach are black, so its obvious that i will sleep with more black women, but i have ran trains on white girls too, but black girls are more my thing.

What area of London are you from??! Souf, Norf Wheezy, West or East? *Wondering if things have changed that much (jezzies letting off easier than ever) or was my game just too basic back then...??*


I think the flaking in Toronto is unbelievable, it even tops London (in my eyes).

Lived both in south and east London.but i notice that the stronger was my game, the more i was sleeping around, so it shouldnt matter what part of London you at.

I stayed in Toronto for 4 days, it was the only place i have ever been that i didnt fuck a single chick..but i found chicks to be very friendly..my logistics just didnt help much in closing the deal, plus i was always out with more than 15 dudes and that just made it harder to fuck around..but damn, i truly loved toronto.

You seem to be a well travelled guy..just wondering..what was the easiest city you ever been to sleep around?

I reckon that most cities outside of Toronto have been the easiest. Winnipeg, Ottawa to name a few.
I also found Miami to be very easy too.

So it's Ottawa and Miami (on a joint)..piece of piss there.

Damn for real? Do you think Ottawa and winnipeg were even easier than cities outside London? I dont know if you know it but cities around England apart from London are just a walk in the park.

Im shocked that you mentioned Miami, the way i see people commenting about Miami on the internet, seems like bitches there are the stooshest ones in the planet. So even the phat ass bitches in Miami let it go easy in your opinion?

Post: #35

(09-15-2011 05:23 AM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 06:10 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 12:55 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 08:35 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-14-2011 05:54 AM)pitt Wrote:  Yeah im black and all of this happened in London. But the thing is, not everybody in London get this kind of play, i knew guys with solid game that were not getting laid as much as me and the cats i was running with, i think our game was just too solid and really good looking guys together with good game just overkills.

Another funny thing is that i think London is the best city that prepares you to be that kinda of good player, the amount of flaking that you take, the cold environment that still forces you to go out gaming, the level of competition and confidence from most of other guys, the high number of women that lack good conversational skills, good phone services that give you lots of free minutes and you can game on the phone for ages (this can be an advantage or disavantage, depending on how you use it), etc. When you go to another country, it becomes a piece of cake and although i had many many girls in London, i still think is one of the worse places to game. I cant stand london for gaming purposes.

To the other guy saying why black women have high numbers of hiv - well im more into black women and most of the women i approach are black, so its obvious that i will sleep with more black women, but i have ran trains on white girls too, but black girls are more my thing.

What area of London are you from??! Souf, Norf Wheezy, West or East? *Wondering if things have changed that much (jezzies letting off easier than ever) or was my game just too basic back then...??*


I think the flaking in Toronto is unbelievable, it even tops London (in my eyes).

Lived both in south and east London.but i notice that the stronger was my game, the more i was sleeping around, so it shouldnt matter what part of London you at.

I stayed in Toronto for 4 days, it was the only place i have ever been that i didnt fuck a single chick..but i found chicks to be very friendly..my logistics just didnt help much in closing the deal, plus i was always out with more than 15 dudes and that just made it harder to fuck around..but damn, i truly loved toronto.

You seem to be a well travelled guy..just wondering..what was the easiest city you ever been to sleep around?

I reckon that most cities outside of Toronto have been the easiest. Winnipeg, Ottawa to name a few.
I also found Miami to be very easy too.

So it's Ottawa and Miami (on a joint)..piece of piss there.

Damn for real? Do you think Ottawa and winnipeg were even easier than cities outside London? I dont know if you know it but cities around England apart from London are just a walk in the park.

Im shocked that you mentioned Miami, the way i see people commenting about Miami on the internet, seems like bitches there are the stooshest ones in the planet. So even the phat ass bitches in Miami let it go easy in your opinion?

I never really hit up outside of London too tough so I can't really speak on it but when I was there, I wasn't on a pure bang and wing flex that I have matured to these days.

I do know when I did get a lizard from outside London, irrespective of her race or how pretty she was, it was EASY to bang. I've banged a hot half trini/half jamaican lizard from Birmingham in the park on the first date.

London bred lizards would be on a pure longers.

Now, for me, I don't know, maybe my accent or what, but I saw women that were very hot in Miami, letting it off very easy (to me).
I got chirpsed by an island lizard while I was just cotching at a mall in Miami (she went straight for the number close) so I feel a lot of love down there.

However, I need to really travel more with my OWN digs to really speak.

I have a feeling DR would be easy as long as you drop a little 'someting' on a date (pay for dinner, or club entrance) blah blah.

But those listed would be what I would say, in my experience. I might have to do a UK re-run and merk some of those out of London reptiles though.

You're right. Piece of piss.

Post: #36

(09-13-2011 07:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The stat about black women having high rates of HIV is pure garbage, not long ago they were saying black women also had high rates of herpes. So which one is it? This is part of the proproganda to undermine black women and latino women, I could go into greater detail but I will leave it at that.

Interesting. So are you saying that CDC artificially manipulates the stats to pretend that HIV rates among blacks is the highest among the races (you know it is not just females, black males have the highest HIV rate too)? If so, could I ask if there are any facts you base your conclusions upon, or it is just typical "everything which praises me is acceptance, but anything which doesn't praise me is racist" mentality?

Also I found it interesting that you put black and latino women together, despite Latinos as a group - both men and women - having much lower HIV rates than blacks. So how does it being part of propaganda? And why this "propaganda" somehow completely excludes Asians as a group?

Post: #37

Condoms are a must. Kind of seems like one of the most humiliating things a chick can do.

Post: #38

I used to run train on all kinds of hoes, it was pretty much normal... young hoes with daddy issues, they feel like they have something to prove..... also girls from trailer parks haha they was all more willing to do filthy shit

I had this one half native american half white 9 with the biggest nicest perkies tits i have ever seen. i would invite my boys to my house an go pick her up to bang an not tell her i had my friends over an when we got there be like suprise you get 3 dicks tonight... I got angry drunk of Vodka one night an put it in her butt an was going balls deep an she was crying an still giving my boy head... then when it was all said an done she wiped the jizz an tears from her face an told me she was a solider.... its times like those that caused me to break up with my fiancee, i thought life would go back to those type bangs but it hasnt.....

Post: #39

I dunno guys, the idea of my nuts slapping another guys nuts while fucking a slut has never been cool with me....fuck that. Mixx is a selfish bastard, you can have her when I'm done.


Mixx

Post: #40

(03-04-2012 12:58 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Condoms are a must. Kind of seems like one of the most humiliating things a chick can do.

This. I just couldn't do it. Sure I could start off a train, but I want to be the only one banging her. Ive only had one near-train experience. This MEGA-WHORE (didn't really find out till after) came over to my place one night at the start of the school year, she was taking E-tabs like candy. She just tells me to whip out my dick and she starts sucking it. We fuck for a bit and I'm kind of drunk. I go to the bathroom after I finish to clean up. When I get back out shes banging on my roommates' doors asking if they want to fuck. She also wanted to go to a study lounge downstairs to try and find someone to have a threesome with. I called this one girl I knew who would be down, but she was on her rag. This girl is now a mega inside joke with my roommates.

Post: #41

(03-05-2012 12:59 AM)MiXX Wrote:  I dunno guys, the idea of my nuts slapping another guys nuts while fucking a slut has never been cool with me....fuck that. Mixx is a selfish bastard, you can have her when I'm done.


Mixx

your nuts only slap another guys nuts when you DP a chick an that shits so gangster i dont even care about it then

most of the time shes just getting her skull fucked while the other guy is beating up the va-jj or the other va-jj called "the anus"

Post: #42

I recently had a dude at a reception call me out on flirting with his girlfriend all night, it was true. Then he flipped me out by saying I was welcome to come back to their hotel and fuck her with him! Unfortunately for him it didn't quite work out that way and she dumped him a week later so she could bang me.

Post: #43

I noticed that a lot of false rape accusations are from gangbangs. Do you guys have any preventive measures for that?

I've never done one, but IMO, being open to running trains is pretty much the ultimate expression of not putting the pussy on a pedestal, and having no scarcity mentality.

Post: #44

I tried a gangbang in a sex club in Berlin a few months ago - 10-12 "house girls" (ie. hookers, more than half of them quite attractive girls age 19 to late 20s from Romania, Bulgaria, Germany, the rest of them also bangable) working in shifts two or three at a time, plus two supposed "regular" girls who just wanted to try the experience (swinger couples reportedly also come to the place on occasion).

I had fun the hours I was there but it was a weird and obviously extremely impersonal experience. Almost immediately my brain started ignoring all the other naked men other than moving furniture to avoid. Some of them were willing to get a little too close to the other men for comfort (eg. rubbing a pussy when someone else was occupying it), I stayed off the beds in those cases.

I went also in part out of curiosity to see how the girls - even if they were hardened hookers - and they seemed consistently extremely unfazed no matter who was on top or around them, taking turns. Some appeared to actually be enjoying themselves somewhat - and could even very occasionally provide brief pockets of almost intimacy in the chaos - while others just looked bored, but equally unfazed by the experience when you met them in lingerie in the hallways during their breaks later.
Supposedly the place also has a few complete sex freaks - doing anal, DP etc. - but they weren't there that day.

But obviously just another day at work for the girls there. And for the visiting men a pretty good way to depedestalize women - when you've just seen, and fucked, a fairly hot 19 year old taking some 15+ men, ages ~20-60, in a row.

Edit: A cute redhead left the club just before I did. Seeing her in the subway ten minutes later in regular clothes, sitting with a book, she looked like any other cute girl I would want to approach. Slightly weird experience when you've just seen her - and had her - in action in a gangbang an hour earlier.

Post: #45

Women in the West give so little importance to the act of sex that they will go home with a man and fuck all of his roommates.

For anyone outside of the membership reading this, don't think this is a rare phenomenon, applicable only to "those sluts". This stuff is way more common than you think.

Post: #46

(09-07-2014 11:40 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  I noticed that a lot of false rape accusations are from gangbangs. Do you guys have any preventive measures for that?

Video with audio through the whole event before it starts until after it's done. Even then you're taking a risk

Post: #47

(09-07-2014 03:32 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:40 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  I noticed that a lot of false rape accusations are from gangbangs. Do you guys have any preventive measures for that?

Video with audio through the whole event before it starts until after it's done. Even then you're taking a risk

Yeah I got a scare last weekend in a threesome with a girl, technically another dude rolled in first then I tapped in and he tapped out.

One of my buddies had to play beta to keep her from being sad or freaking out. He's still banging her out, hopefully can do the slow dissapearing act or keep her around as a dtf.

Post: #48

Post: #49

When I was studying in Bristol (UK), some Spanish Erasmus exchange student friends of mine had come up with a way (I never figured out exactly how they did it) of pulling British girls around closing time and bringing them back to their place for a gangbang, which always consisted of 2 or more guys and 1 girl.

I attended a dinner party with one of those girls once (who took 4 Spanish dicks the night before) and she definitely fitted the poor white trash/difficult childhood stereotype. During dinner at one point she made a comment about the problems in the Middle East and all I could think of while she was talking was her with 4 dicks in her less than 24 hours ago. She was kinda cute, 6.5 or so, and thin, which is rare for British girls.

Post: #50

I've had ex Japanese girlfriends tell me that they had fantasies of being tied to a bed and having trains run on them. Not being game aware at the time, I didn't know how easy it is to get a girl to do stuff for you if you're maintaining a tight frame. Knowing what I know now, I probably would have gotten at least one of them to do it with my friends and I, just to experience it once.