Post: #1

So I had an idea whilst washing the dishes today; I thought of a chick I was talking to on a chatting app called "Badoo". I was developing a strange "oneitis" image of her despite only having talked to her on the app, and I realised that the reason why I felt this way was solely because of her looks. It seems as though the reason why most men fall for girls is not because of their "great" personality but rather because of their physical attributes.

Example: Forum member: *Agreddor

(01-03-2015 08:15 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  I thought that she was "the one" as my ex had been. For a moment all the things I learnt about game, and the true nature of women slipped my mind. I fantasised about having a relationship with her and how she would complete my life. I tried to make myself believe that she would be exactly like my ex because she looked like her.

No hate towards him intended as this has probably happened to all of us, but Agreddor "fell" for a girl without even speaking to her !, this example shows how Agreddor like many men associated positive emotions( that he may have felt when he was with his ex) with a woman's outward appearance, thus giving him "man tingles". Similarly to the effects that tight game has on a woman.

I began to think about how men are more sexually aroused by visual stimuli, but women are more sexually aroused by concrete, auditory, olfactory, touch and emotionally relevant sexual stimulation.

See this thread
A majority of you preferred to reproduce with the female who had a delicious mikado shaped body but lower IQ, over the high IQ female with the more circular figure.

Bringing me to the conclusion that a girl's appearance is equivalent to a guy's game. e.g if a girl is extremely attractive but has a crazy personality, this could be compared to a not so attractive male who has extremely tight game.

Marrying your "10"
On the forum a lot of dudes are against the marrying idea of marriage, so that we are not cheated on or become beta providers.We might be able to say that we can actually do this but so long as you "remember the game that got you there and constantly improve it, you may have a chance of not being a victim of tacit polygamy.

If your extremely attractive wife started getting fat, stopped wearing make up and began to resemble a wildebeest you probably either leave her or cheat on her. Similarly, if your game and value weakened and your communication skills deteriorated to the level of a mute, you shouldn't be surprised if your partner has more frequent "late nights with the girls". The point was that you would cheat on her when you find a more attractive girl, so a solution to this could be her constantly improving her body to lessen the chances of you cheating.


Thanks for reading.

-Cold


*Original thread: This could happen to you.....

Post: #2

(01-03-2015 11:00 AM)Cold Wrote:  So I had an idea whilst washing the dishes today; I thought of a chick I was talking to on a chatting app called "Badoo". I was developing a strange "oneitis" image of her despite only having talked to her on the app, and I realised that the reason why I felt this way was solely because of her looks. It seems as though the reason why most men fall for girls is not because of their "great" personality but rather because of their physical attributes.

Example: Forum member: *Agreddor

(01-03-2015 08:15 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  I thought that she was "the one" as my ex had been. For a moment all the things I learnt about game, and the true nature of women slipped my mind. I fantasised about having a relationship with her and how she would complete my life. I tried to make myself believe that she would be exactly like my ex because she looked like her.

No hate towards him intended as this has probably happened to all of us, but Agreddor "fell" for a girl without even speaking to her !, this example shows how Agreddor like many men associated positive emotions( that he may have felt when he was with his ex) with a woman's outward appearance, thus giving him "man tingles". Similarly to the effects that tight game has on a woman.

I began to think about how men are more sexually aroused by visual stimuli, but women are more sexually aroused by concrete, auditory, olfactory, touch and emotionally relevant sexual stimulation.

See this thread
A majority of you preferred to reproduce with the female who had a delicious mikado shaped body but lower IQ, over the high IQ female with the more circular figure.

Bringing me to the conclusion that a girl's appearance is equivalent to a guy's game. e.g if a girl is extremely attractive but has a crazy personality, this could be compared to a not so attractive male who has extremely tight game.

Marrying your "10"
On the forum a lot of dudes are against the marrying idea of marriage, so that we are not cheated on or become beta providers.We might be able to say that we can actually do this but so long as you "remember the game that got you there and constantly improve it, you may have a chance of not being a victim of tacit polygamy.

If your extremely attractive wife started getting fat, stopped wearing make up and began to resemble a wildebeest you probably either leave her or cheat on her. Similarly, if your game and value weakened and your communication skills deteriorated to the level of a mute, you shouldn't be surprised if your partner has more frequent "late nights with the girls". The point was that you would cheat on her when you find a more attractive girl, so a solution to this could be her constantly improving her body to lessen the chances of you cheating.


Thanks for reading.

-Cold


*Original thread: This could happen to you.....

You deserve a well-earned +1 for this. Bravo!

Its easier said than done, but as men it is imperative that we retain the ability to discern fact from fiction. i.e Looks from personality.

Post: #3

i'd add that its important that she looks good without makeup.

Post: #4

It's well known how make up can add at least two points to a chick. I've seen this so many time first hand, usually the morning after (-points) but also in female friends who I wouldn't consider hot without makeup (+ points).

Plenty of chicks Tinder pics could lead to them being prosecuted under the UK Misleading Marketing Regulations in my experience.

We men are definitely visual creatures.

Post: #5

Of course looks are 80% of a girls "Game". If she is slim, has long hair and is young that is most of her attraction level.

If you entertain her for a LTR then other factors like femininity, Red Pill awareness and other individual factors should come into play. But that is always on top of her basic looks.

Post: #6

Good theory Cold.

I guess that's why girls just have to stand there and wait to get ONS.
Their game start when they wake up and ends when they go out.
Our game starts when we wake up and ends when we go to sleep.

Its like hunting: we lure the deer we want to eat and bring it home. All the deer had to do was being there and look good.

Post: #7

I had a situation similar to Aggredor recently. Fell for a girl without even talking to her. Admittedly it was some bitch boy shit on my part but it is what it is. I was swooning. I would fantasize about being in a relationship with her. It was dark.

And I'm not even sure it was entirely physical. Sure, I personally found her gorgeous, but looks are subjective. I've seen girls just as attractive and never thought twice about them...or certainly didn't fantasize about making them my girlfriend. Especially without even talking to them. What kind of shit is that?

So I think there is another component here. Call it body language, or aura, or whatever. I just "felt" something when I ran into this girl that I had not felt with any other girl previously. I did approach her, because I couldn't let her get away, but I made a rookie mistake and gave her my contact info instead of asking for hers (because I was still overcoming AA and a rejection right then and there by this girl who I was swooning over would have been a gut punch). I don't need to tell you guys how that one ended.

It is what it is man. It happens. I don't have an explanation for why this girl turned me into a noob fuck and girls just as attractive as her have only warranted a "damn that girl is fine."

Post: #8

Post: #9

I definitely agree that looks are a girls game but like men, she'll need her personality on point to keep her partner, even if she keeps her looks. Bitchiness, pop culture, poor hygiene, etc are some of the things that'll make my boner flat in no time.

Post: #10

Girls game is not about attraction and sex, but about resource extraction without giving up anything.

Men's game is primarily getting the milk w/o buying the cow. (although in the West, they don't let most guys even look into the barn, much less buy the cow.)

WIA

Post: #11

(01-03-2015 02:35 PM)Mister X Wrote:  I had a situation similar to Aggredor recently. Fell for a girl without even talking to her. Admittedly it was some bitch boy shit on my part but it is what it is. I was swooning. I would fantasize about being in a relationship with her. It was dark.

And I'm not even sure it was entirely physical. Sure, I personally found her gorgeous, but looks are subjective. I've seen girls just as attractive and never thought twice about them...or certainly didn't fantasize about making them my girlfriend. Especially without even talking to them. What kind of shit is that?

So I think there is another component here. Call it body language, or aura, or whatever. I just "felt" something when I ran into this girl that I had not felt with any other girl previously. I did approach her, because I couldn't let her get away, but I made a rookie mistake and gave her my contact info instead of asking for hers (because I was still overcoming AA and a rejection right then and there by this girl who I was swooning over would have been a gut punch). I don't need to tell you guys how that one ended.

It is what it is man. It happens. I don't have an explanation for why this girl turned me into a noob fuck and girls just as attractive as her have only warranted a "damn that girl is fine."

Personally, im a picky eater so to speak.

I have a type that I can't quite describe in words, but when I see her I know she's my type; if I were to vaguely describe my type, it would be an exotic looking girl (ex was Mexican Japanese)

I don't freeze up when I see hot girls who are my type.

In many ways this correlates with putting women on a pedestal.

Post: #12

(01-03-2015 07:45 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Girls game is not about attraction and sex, but about resource extraction without giving up anything.

Men's game is primarily getting the milk w/o buying the cow. (although in the West, they don't let most guys even look into the barn, much less buy the cow.)

WIA

It's sad isn't it, how this is what society has 'evolved' to.

Post: #13

(01-03-2015 09:21 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 02:35 PM)Mister X Wrote:  I had a situation similar to Aggredor recently. Fell for a girl without even talking to her. Admittedly it was some bitch boy shit on my part but it is what it is. I was swooning. I would fantasize about being in a relationship with her. It was dark.

And I'm not even sure it was entirely physical. Sure, I personally found her gorgeous, but looks are subjective. I've seen girls just as attractive and never thought twice about them...or certainly didn't fantasize about making them my girlfriend. Especially without even talking to them. What kind of shit is that?

So I think there is another component here. Call it body language, or aura, or whatever. I just "felt" something when I ran into this girl that I had not felt with any other girl previously. I did approach her, because I couldn't let her get away, but I made a rookie mistake and gave her my contact info instead of asking for hers (because I was still overcoming AA and a rejection right then and there by this girl who I was swooning over would have been a gut punch). I don't need to tell you guys how that one ended.

It is what it is man. It happens. I don't have an explanation for why this girl turned me into a noob fuck and girls just as attractive as her have only warranted a "damn that girl is fine."

Personally, im a picky eater so to speak.

I have a type that I can't quite describe in words, but when I see her I know she's my type; if I were to vaguely describe my type, it would be an exotic looking girl (ex was Mexican Japanese)

I don't freeze up when I see hot girls who are my type.

In many ways this correlates with putting women on a pedestal.

Interestingly enough I don't fall hard for the "smoke shows" as I like to call them. Girls that are ridiculously hot but most of it is makeup and dressing provocatively and all that. It's the down to earth girls that look wholesome and "girlfriend-ish", but that also look like they would be great in bed. I can't really explain it. That classic girl next door chick I guess. But it's not like every time I see a girl next door type I'm swooning, it was this particular girl. I don't know what it was about her. Something about her energy. I had to have her.

I guess it's for the better that nothing materialized because she would have had me hooked badly. I'd like to think my game is tight enough that she wouldn't phase me, but if I'm already daydreaming of making her my gf upon approach - that's bad news. There was potential for that to be real ugly if anything came from it. That whole thing was without even being physical with her.

I would have been a white knight beta bitch mangina noob whatever the fuck else you could call me.

But isn't that the hope sort of? Game can leave you cynical and cold and overall just emotionally unavailable for the majority of women. But don't most of us hold out hope for that one girl who can make us feel alive? You can bang 500 chicks and I still think you would want that at the end of the day.

Post: #14

(01-03-2015 09:32 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 09:21 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 02:35 PM)Mister X Wrote:  I had a situation similar to Aggredor recently. Fell for a girl without even talking to her. Admittedly it was some bitch boy shit on my part but it is what it is. I was swooning. I would fantasize about being in a relationship with her. It was dark.

And I'm not even sure it was entirely physical. Sure, I personally found her gorgeous, but looks are subjective. I've seen girls just as attractive and never thought twice about them...or certainly didn't fantasize about making them my girlfriend. Especially without even talking to them. What kind of shit is that?

So I think there is another component here. Call it body language, or aura, or whatever. I just "felt" something when I ran into this girl that I had not felt with any other girl previously. I did approach her, because I couldn't let her get away, but I made a rookie mistake and gave her my contact info instead of asking for hers (because I was still overcoming AA and a rejection right then and there by this girl who I was swooning over would have been a gut punch). I don't need to tell you guys how that one ended.

It is what it is man. It happens. I don't have an explanation for why this girl turned me into a noob fuck and girls just as attractive as her have only warranted a "damn that girl is fine."

Personally, im a picky eater so to speak.

I have a type that I can't quite describe in words, but when I see her I know she's my type; if I were to vaguely describe my type, it would be an exotic looking girl (ex was Mexican Japanese)

I don't freeze up when I see hot girls who are my type.

In many ways this correlates with putting women on a pedestal.

Interestingly enough I don't fall hard for the "smoke shows" as I like to call them. Girls that are ridiculously hot but most of it is makeup and dressing provocatively and all that. It's the down to earth girls that look wholesome and "girlfriend-ish", but that also look like they would be great in bed. I can't really explain it. That classic girl next door chick I guess. But it's not like every time I see a girl next door type I'm swooning, it was this particular girl. I don't know what it was about her. Something about her energy. I had to have her.

I guess it's for the better that nothing materialized because she would have had me hooked badly. I'd like to think my game is tight enough that she wouldn't phase me, but if I'm already daydreaming of making her my gf upon approach - that's bad news. There was potential for that to be real ugly if anything came from it. That whole thing was without even being physical with her.

I would have been a white knight beta bitch mangina noob whatever the fuck else you could call me.

But isn't that the hope sort of? Game can leave you cynical and cold and overall just emotionally unavailable for the majority of women. But don't most of us hold out hope for that one girl who can make us feel alive? You can bang 500 chicks and I still think you would want that at the end of the day.

Nobody is born without emotions. Ive always been a cynic pre-red pill due to issues from my childhood. That being said, it takes a lot to rile my emotions up and give me "the feels"

That's why we learn game. We do it so that when the one comes along we don't get taken advantage of and do things we regret. I've done the whole "I love you, I can't live without you" crap; this is my weakened, I'm too sentimental in many ways and this is why I decided to become a cynic.

The problem lies with balance. Learning how to keep your shit together and be able to retain that level of clear headedness while at the same time not being overtly stoic.

In my parents time there was no need for this; everyone could be themselves and would get married if the circumstances were appropriate. How did the millennial generation become this way?

Post: #15

(01-03-2015 11:32 AM)eradicator Wrote:  i'd add that its important that she looks good without makeup.

Amen to that! I recently met a woman who to me had a strong 8 face and she stayed over and in the morning with her makeup mostly gone and smeared she had fallen to a generous 4. I had never seen such a dramatic fall in my entire game career. I couldn't see her again after that morning....

Post: #16

It's my personal theory that upon initially meeting a girl, a man will decide right away how attractive she is. Then from there, after getting to know her better through interacting and dates, her personality really can only make her equally or less attractive.

A 7 is a 7 regardless of how many shared interests we have and her sense of humor. But a 7 can quickly turn into a 5 if she's a crazy entitled bitch that I just don't feel like dealing with.

Now I think for women this goes both ways, but rarely stays at her initial impression of your appearance. She'll have her preconceived notion of how attractive you are based on looks. And then from there, you can either raise your SMV through good game or lower it through bad game. But really what matters most is what you do after first catching her glance at the bar, not how good your clothes look or how good in shape you are. These things help, but not as much as having good game.

Post: #17

I can lay this theory to rest


You guys are telling me a fat or ugly girl has never convinced you of letting her suck your dick? i had a fat girl tell me she had no gag reflex. I let her give me neck till I passed out

Post: #18

(01-04-2015 02:41 AM)L M McCoy Wrote:  I can lay this theory to rest


You guys are telling me a fat or ugly girl has never convinced you of letting her suck your dick? i had a fat girl tell me she had no gag reflex. I let her give me neck till I passed out

yeah but just how often does that work? I think unless the guy is really drunk or is quite desperate for pussy, else most of the time guys wouldnt even look at a 4

Post: #19

(01-04-2015 02:41 AM)L M McCoy Wrote:  I can lay this theory to rest


You guys are telling me a fat or ugly girl has never convinced you of letting her suck your dick? i had a fat girl tell me she had no gag reflex. I let her give me neck till I passed out

A man's prerogative is to get sex from women to spread his seed, and a woman's prerogative is to secure commitment from a man with resources to help protect and raise her children. Therefore, if a fat chick throws herself at you and you fuck her (or get a blow job, whatever) for the hell of it because she passes the boner test, then her "game" didn't work. The only time it can be said that a woman's game worked is when she locked down a high value male. In this regard, her looks and her sex are her strongest assets.

Saying that the fat chick's game worked in your example is akin to saying that a friend zoned beta orbiter's game worked because he's friends with his romantic interest. Obviously it didn't, because he failed to fulfill his bio-evolutionary prerogative as a man, i.e., get laid.

In regards to the OP, I agree that a woman's game is primarily her looks, but this is nothing new. Also, as others have mentioned, personality is important as well. I'd contend that a woman's game is something like 80-90% looks, and 10-20% personality. The exact ratio is just arguing over technicalities, but the overall concept is important. For fucking a chick, all I care about is if she passes the boner test. Her personality accounts for about 1% of her value to me in this situation, meaning that as long as she isn't so abrasive that I don't want to punch her in the face, then that's good enough for me.

For dating a chick, I'll be more selective about both looks and personality, but it all starts with looks. Without that, I don't care how sweet and feminine she is, if she's not at least an 8+, I won't consider dating her.

Post: #20

^If a girl whom I'm not sexually interested in can convince me to let her taste my cock, that's game right there.

With feminism it is no longer the goal of western women to get tied down. Most women just want to get married so they can play out their childhood wedding dreams

Post: #21

but women are more sexually aroused by concrete, auditory, olfactory, touch and emotionally relevant sexual stimulation.
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Although they are not as extreme as men, they are still human like us.

Your looks are huge Part of your game.

It's funny. We all want people to like us more than the appearance.
But isn't it very irritating if she is with your even though she doesn't like your physical traits at all?

Post: #22

(01-05-2015 12:30 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  but women are more sexually aroused by concrete, auditory, olfactory, touch and emotionally relevant sexual stimulation.
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Although they are not as extreme as men, they are still human like us.

Your looks are huge Part of your game.

It's funny. We all want people to like us more than the appearance.
But isn't it very irritating if she is with your even though she doesn't like your physical traits at all?

No buddy - looks/height are of course part of the male Game, but roughly 30% - you can practically balance the scales via improving your look - slim down, bulk up, teeth etc. & via Game tremendously. Never mind if you put in social status/fame or wealth. Especially when approaching 8-9s in their prime who have plenty of options and meet male models you realize that they are bored by them in many cases.

Looks as male predominant part of Game is just male projection. It is very important to men when looking for a girl, but much less so to women. There is one exception: - very young girls 12-16 run highly on looks, but that already begins to shift at around 16-18 - in poorer countries even more.

Post: #23

Have you won any uphill battle?

When I start conversation with a girl I just met,
she has to respond at least with some type of 'interested' eyes for me to move forward with her.

It never went anywhere if a girl just ignored my existence or said 'I am good how are you' back with no soul.

this is you 'either you have it or don't' moment

Let me know how turned this situation around.

(01-05-2015 01:58 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 12:30 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  but women are more sexually aroused by concrete, auditory, olfactory, touch and emotionally relevant sexual stimulation.
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Although they are not as extreme as men, they are still human like us.

Your looks are huge Part of your game.

It's funny. We all want people to like us more than the appearance.
But isn't it very irritating if she is with your even though she doesn't like your physical traits at all?

No buddy - looks/height are of course part of the male Game, but roughly 30% - you can practically balance the scales via improving your look - slim down, bulk up, teeth etc. & via Game tremendously. Never mind if you put in social status/fame or wealth. Especially when approaching 8-9s in their prime who have plenty of options and meet male models you realize that they are bored by them in many cases.

Looks as male predominant part of Game is just male projection. It is very important to men when looking for a girl, but much less so to women. There is one exception: - very young girls 12-16 run highly on looks, but that already begins to shift at around 16-18 - in poorer countries even more.

Post: #24

(01-04-2015 01:33 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  ^If a girl whom I'm not sexually interested in can convince me to let her taste my cock, that's game right there.

With feminism it is no longer the goal of western women to get tied down. Most women just want to get married so they can play out their childhood wedding dreams

No matter the sex, I think we can all agree that having good game, or rather "winning" the game, means that you are getting what you want with the lowest possible investment. The situation you pose McCoy is about 0% investment for the man and 100% investment for the woman. You are not giving anything up (besides maybe your standards) you are just getting hummer from a fatt (and we all know fatties typically give good head so I can't fault you for that one). If this girl got you to invest more than your jizz in her then I would say she had some sort of game. She willingly gave you what you wanted with no effort on your part. Now if you didn't want to get some head and this girl was able to win you over with some smooth bargaining skills then I spose you could say she had game - but I find hat unlikely. You wanted a blowy and she was there and volunteered.

When I think of a girl who has "game" I think about the reaction she gets out of who she is gaming. When a guy gets oneitis for a girl or starts investing more in her then she is in him, or gets the guy to chase, then that is game. Like is mentioned throughout this thread, the majority of that is looks for a grl. A beautiful woman will provoke chase. Personality, femininity, etc. will factor in after the novelty of her looks wears off. If a girl can provoke you to chase or cause you to invest more than her, then she gamed you.