Post: #151

(09-11-2011 03:08 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  As for you guys insisting on 9/11 conspiracy theories, let me ask you this: If the US government had no problem orchestrating the murder of 3000 of its own innocent citizens, why are any of you "truthers" still alive? A government capable of planning such acts would certainly have no problem disposing of any dissenters quickly, as we can see from many detestable regimes around the world.

The government/real holders of power are BARBARIC but certainly not IDIOTIC. A few people questioning the official explanations and posting videos on youtube, at present, is nothing more than a splash of a small pebble in a vast ocean, and can be simply branded as a "conspiracy theory". These skeptics DO NOT matter yet, so they let them do whatever they want. The government's actions are not out of vengeance but due to simple cold blooded math. They did not want to kill those 3000 innocents intentionally, just that they had to do so in order to create a massive havoc and later use it to realize their ulterior motives.

On the other hand, look how vigorously ALL of them are going after Julian Assange because that guy is doing some real damage!

Post: #152

(09-11-2011 04:40 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  Giovanny,

Im not sure how someone else could prove an event didnt take place other than the simple fact that there is no evidence proving the said action occurred?

It seems to me the onus is on the people claiming it has happened to provide the proof. i could be wrong though....

You can't prove the government knew nothing and I can't prove they knew something.

The onus is on you and me to present what we know. I think we did ok.

Good Battle!

Is it time to get back to the bitches???

Or, I can keep going. It up to you. But I gotta smoke a joint.

RIP to those that lost their lives.

All respect to the Fireman and service people who went inside those buildings to save people.

All respect to the soldiers in the US military who fight for our way of life.

I wanted to hear more from Kona, Nacirema, Alibaba, and the rest of the soldiers but they are probably on a different level of understanding with this shit and they probably laugh at our intellectual debates.

Respect to the soldiers. They are the real mother fuckers who live this shit. We are just internet jockeys.

They fight so we can type.

"The most patriotic thing you can do is question your government" - Thomas Jefferson

Post: #153

(09-11-2011 04:55 PM)jariel Wrote:  Ya, real students of history know that nazism means national socialism.

So you believe Hilters government / rule was a national socialism and not a dictatorship?!?

Post: #154

(09-11-2011 05:02 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 04:55 PM)jariel Wrote:  Ya, real students of history know that nazism means national socialism.

So you believe Hilters government / rule was a national socialism and not a dictatorship?!?

Dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

You don't know that when someone is referring to the CIA, they're referring to an entity of the U.S. Government.

You don't know what NAZI stands for.

You don't know anything about terrorist and insurgent groups.

You don't know anything about false flag attacks, even ones that have been admitted by the governments that implemented them, i.e. the Gulf of Tonkin.

You've injected yourself into a geopolitical conversation of which you simply don't have the ability to express an educated opinion that could be viewed as contributory to the discussion at hand, yet it is your belief that the people who are contrary to you, knowledgeable, have the responsibility to prove to you that what you purport to know, which is nothing, is incorrect.

You're probably wondering if one pours maple syrup on a pajeon, let me know how that shit tastes.

Post: #155

Dash, can't have this discussion without injecting Chomsky (epitome of common sense):

The U.S. government has very little credibility, bro.

Post: #156

(09-11-2011 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Hitler was not a dictator, he was elected by the people.

Hitler was not elected. He was appointed to the position of Reich's chancelor by Reich's president von Hindenburg (on January 30th, 1933).

That was a legal act, at the time. However, he was appointed to this position, not elected by the people.

In the last free democratic election before the Nazis came to power, they achieved a total vote of 33 per cent. (This was in November 1932.)

The Nazis did not rise to power because of their own strength, but because of the permanent disagreement within their (German) enemies' camp (which would have been stronger than the Nazis, if unified).

Post: #157

(09-11-2011 05:18 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 05:02 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 04:55 PM)jariel Wrote:  Ya, real students of history know that nazism means national socialism.

So you believe Hilters government / rule was a national socialism and not a dictatorship?!?

Dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

This is the SECOND time you have avoid answering my question.

You don't know that when someone is referring to the CIA, they're referring to an entity of the U.S. Government.

Really? U got a big imagination. I said the topic was about NATO and the CIA and that the incidents took place in Europe. I was asking for governments killing THEIR OWN PEOPLE. So even if true it happened in Europe. AKA not its own people. Not sure how you get not knowing what the CIA is out of any of that

You don't know what NAZI stands for.

Here again you have a big imagination. I was never talking about the meaning of the word NAZI. I was talking about Hitlers rule in Germany.

You don't know anything about terrorist and insurgent groups.

I dont remb discussing anything about insurgent groups in this thread. I think you are confusing me with other posters.

You don't know anything about false flag attacks, even ones that have been admitted by the governments that implemented them, i.e. the Gulf of Tonkin.

How does the Golf of Tonkin tie into any of the points I made? Please share

You've injected yourself into a geopolitical conversation of which you simply don't have the ability to express an educated opinion that could be viewed as contributory to the discussion at hand, yet it is your belief that the people who are contrary to you, knowledgeable, have the responsibility to prove to you that what you purport to know, which is nothing, is incorrect.

You're probably wondering if one pours maple syrup on a pajeon, let me know how that shit tastes.

Nice try bro. BTW still waiting on some of them answers.

Post: #158

(09-11-2011 02:59 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Dash -

It is hilarious you still don't realize what is wrong with your statement:

"Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country....."

Post: #159

Its been fun fellas but I gonna piece out of this one.

I got a massive hard on right now watching Cam Newton and my Carolina Panthers. Need to focus on the 4th quarter.

Ill keep an eye out if anyone can refute one of these two issues.

1) There is no way to know why we went to war. Everything is purely speculation at best.

2) There is no proof of a present day 1st world democratic government killing thousands of its own innocent people.

-over n out-

Post: #160

(09-11-2011 11:51 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Coupled with being Pro-War and never going to fight?

I'm not trying to take sides in this Dash vs G debate, but in fairness, I don't think one has to join the military to support a war. I'm sure most people are in favor of fighting crime but that doesn't mean they all have to join the police academy in order to be consistent with that position. We have an economy that depends on many people doing many different jobs(civilian) to be functional and generate the taxes it takes to have a military to support in the first place. We can't all be soldiers even if we wanted to. Somebody back home has to work 9-5 to generate the revenue to pay for those bombs and bullets.

The military(or police force) isn't for everyone. If you are someone who hates the idea of unquestioning following orders, the military is going to crush your soul and probably make you want to commit suicide. Alas, we still need a military.

Post: #161

Post: #162

speakeasy -

"I don't think one has to join the military to support a war."

Then it obviously wasn't that important to the scum bag.

Its hypocritical at best. Heartless and cowardly at worst.

Ever notice how the biggest war mongers never saw any action?

You might be able to rationalize it in your head (they all do), but to me it might be one of the most despicable things a human can do.

You don't see anything wrong with talking tough, letting others die while you cower in the corner and don't step up to the plate?

I figured on a forum of "stay true to yourself, do it yourself, be an independent strong man with unbreakable values" Alpha types would agree.

That all being said, and on another note, I just have to quote Dash one more time:

"Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country....."

Which side do you take on that statement?

Post: #163

Quote:Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country.....

Post: #164

(09-11-2011 06:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  You don't see anything wrong with talking tough, letting others die while you cower in the corner and don't step up to the plate?

I see where you're coming from. But if I were to take this all to it's logical conclusion, that would mean that a President that has never served in the military would have no right to declare war. Lyndon Johnson served in the military and he was the one that got us into Vietnam. Whether someone served or not doesn't interest me much because either can make foolish decisions. I'd rather listen to the merits of the case.

Quote:"Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country....."

Which side do you take on that statement?

Lol, yeah he messed up on that one. Many conservatives conflate socialist and communist.

Post: #165

[quote='speakeasy' pid='91967' dateline='1315786787']

Quote:"Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country....."

Lol, yeah he messed up on that one. Many conservatives conflate socialist and communist.

I hate socialist even after they changed their name to Democrats.

Post: #166

(09-09-2011 06:20 PM)jariel Wrote:  Does anyone here not believe the official story about 9/11?

i was fairly convinced with the party line till i saw this video about wtc 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

EDIT: having gone through all the replies, most main areas were touched upon already
the thing that always confused me was the whole finding passports thing

Post: #167

(09-11-2011 07:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 06:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  You don't see anything wrong with talking tough, letting others die while you cower in the corner and don't step up to the plate?

I see where you're coming from. But if I were to take this all to it's logical conclusion, that would mean that a President that has never served in the military would have no right to declare war. Lyndon Johnson served in the military and he was the one that got us into Vietnam. Whether someone served or not doesn't interest me much because either can make foolish decisions. I'd rather listen to the merits of the case.

Quote:"Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country....."

Which side do you take on that statement?

Lol, yeah he messed up on that one. Many conservatives conflate socialist and communist.

I def worded that wrong.

As i already pointed out the intent of that post was to show that Nazi Germany had dictatorship, fascism, and communist elements (which i will highlight below) and it was certainly not a democracy during the rule of Hitler.

dictatorship - A government controlled by one person, or a small group of people. In this form of government the power rests entirely on the person or group of people, and can be obtained by force or by inheritance. The dictator(s) may also take away much of its peoples' freedom.

communism - a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Post: #168

"Germany under the rule of Hitler was a dictatorship communist country.....

Same with Yugoslavia if my memory serves me correct."

Oh dear.

Post: #169

^^

Yugoslavia was not a democracy which was my whole point for both countries.

Oh dear.

Sorry havent brushed up on my Yugoslavia and German political party systems in a hot minute.

I know enough to know when i ask for present day 1st world democratic states/countries killing thousands of their innocent citizens and someone mentions Germany and Yugoslavia they are wrong.

Post: #170

(09-12-2011 01:39 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  ^^

Yugoslavia was not a democracy which was my whole point for both countries.

Oh dear.

Sorry havent brushed up on my Yugoslavia and German political party systems in a hot minute.

I know enough to know when i ask for present day 1st world democratic states/countries killing thousands of their innocent citizens and someone mentions Germany and Yugoslavia they are wrong.

Coming back to the original thread: IMHO, I side with the late great Joe Vialls,international investigator and geopolitical observer. It wasn't the Jews/Khazars/Mossad/Israelis but the Europeans-specifically the Germans/Russians/French and Japs.
There was a secret Boeing/airbus war involving sabotage that began with the downing of Concorde in Paris,August 2000. It almost crashed into Chiracs' own presidential airbus filled with Japanese observers,but the pilot managed to get airborne.
His original link was taken off the net 2 years after his 2005 death but I agree with his findings eg,the Mossad bombing of their own R and R resort in Mombasa,December 2002.

Quote:Collateral damage Israeli style. Mossad deliberately left these welcoming dancers in the lobby of the
hotel to take the full force of the blast. All twelve members of the dance troupe were killed instantly.

Perhaps realizing that they had left fatally flawed evidence lying around Mombasa airport, more than a hundred heavily armed Israeli soldiers landed at the East Coast port on December 1, and demanded that the Kenyan Police hand over the "evidence".

By all accounts they were particularly anxious to get their hands of the unfired sky-blue "Strela" missile launching tubes left near the end of Runway 21. To their astonishment and considerable anger, the Israeli demand was met with a point-blank "NO".

http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/showthrea...ember-2002
Also,all of you accusing Israel have left out one vital question-WHY???
To my knowledge nobody ,even here in this forum of freethinkers has ever explained why even with their iron grip on US balls was it really necessary to run the risk of discovery when they could have established all their oil pipelines,opium deals and other assorted resource grabs without doing 911????
Due to this persistent motive factor I'm more inclined to believe Joe Vialls: it was an Airbus/Boeing trade war that morphed into a plot by European revanchists to deal a fatal blow to their hated bete noir.
The French,Germans,Russians and Japs all made up for decades old grievances on 911.

Post: #171

To afronoob:

Seriously, you don't know about the consequences of what you are saying.

You are playing with fire.

Since 1945 there has been no direct military conflict between major powers (except for the involvement of Chinese troops fighting against the USA in the Korean war.)

You - and we all - should be happy about that.

Spreading rumours like this is simply dangerous. What would have happened if 9-11 would have occured during the Cold War and the mavericks in US politics would have blamed the Soviets for that? And a large amount of the US population would have believed this?

I can tell you what would have happened: tens of millions of dead on both sides.

Before you spread such things, overthink the consequences twice.

By the way: "Jap" is a racist term.

Post: #172

(09-12-2011 08:15 AM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  To afronoob:

Seriously, you don't know about the consequences of what you are saying.

You are playing with fire.

Since 1945 there has been no direct military conflict between major powers (except for the involvement of Chinese troops fighting against the USA in the Korean war.)

You - and we all - should be happy about that.

Spreading rumours like this is simply dangerous. What would have happened if 9-11 would have occured during the Cold War and the mavericks in US politics would have blamed the Soviets for that? And a large amount of the US population would have believed this?

I can tell you what would have happened: tens of millions of dead on both sides.

Before you spread such things, overthink the consequences twice.

By the way: "Jap" is a racist term.

No,mighty mouse-the truth is the truth.911 was a Eurorevanchist job. The French secret service was avenging the Concorde crash and Anglo hyperpower. The Germans had grievances from the aftermath WW2,(do you know 5mn starved to death after the war?),the millions of Russians lost their life savings during the post commmunist privatisations;which ended up in New York,while the Japanese also had quite legitimate post WW2 grievances and economic issues.
2 days after 911,an airbus crashed into the Hudsom,killing all on board. When it was winched out onlookers saw the entire tail section had been clean cut. I can't find a link-I've spent over an hour. Also think back to this period-there were a number of copy cat crashes with smaller single engine jobs in Florida and Milan as a warning.

Post: #173

afronoob,

any proof or are u just stating opinion as fact?

Post: #174

(09-11-2011 05:23 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Hitler was not a dictator, he was elected by the people.

Hitler was not elected. He was appointed to the position of Reich's chancelor by Reich's president von Hindenburg (on January 30th, 1933).

That was a legal act, at the time. However, he was appointed to this position, not elected by the people.

In the last free democratic election before the Nazis came to power, they achieved a total vote of 33 per cent. (This was in November 1932.)

The Nazis did not rise to power because of their own strength, but because of the permanent disagreement within their (German) enemies' camp (which would have been stronger than the Nazis, if unified).

Nope. Hitler's appointment as Chancellor was symbolic, it wasn't until the Nazi party itself gained power before Hitler could gain power.

The last free democratic election took place in 1933.

Quote:Besides political campaigning, the NSDAP used paramilitary violence and spread of anti-communist propaganda on the days preceding the election. On election day, 6 March 1933, the NSDAP increased its result to 43.9% of the vote, gaining the largest number of seats in parliament. However, Hitler's party failed to secure an absolute majority, thus again necessitating a coalition with the DNVP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitle..._elections




And after Hitler was given supreme power,

Quote:On 19 August, the merger of the presidency with the chancellorship was approved by a plebiscite with support from 84.6% of the electorate.

A vote was held to validate the decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitle...ing_limits

Post: #175

(09-12-2011 10:41 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 08:15 AM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  To afronoob:

Seriously, you don't know about the consequences of what you are saying.

You are playing with fire.

Since 1945 there has been no direct military conflict between major powers (except for the involvement of Chinese troops fighting against the USA in the Korean war.)

You - and we all - should be happy about that.

Spreading rumours like this is simply dangerous. What would have happened if 9-11 would have occured during the Cold War and the mavericks in US politics would have blamed the Soviets for that? And a large amount of the US population would have believed this?

I can tell you what would have happened: tens of millions of dead on both sides.

Before you spread such things, overthink the consequences twice.

By the way: "Jap" is a racist term.

No,mighty mouse-the truth is the truth.911 was a Eurorevanchist job. The French secret service was avenging the Concorde crash and Anglo hyperpower. The Germans had grievances from the aftermath WW2(do you know 5mn starved to death after the war?)the millions of Russians lost their life savings during the post commmunist privatisations;which ended up in New York,while the Japanese also had quite legitimate post WW2 grievances and economic issues.
2 days after 911,an airbus crashed into the Hudsom,killing all on board. When it was winched out onlookers saw the entire tail section had been clean cut. I can't find a link-I've spent over an hour. Also think back to this period-there were a number of copy cat crashes with smaller single engine jobs in Florida and Milan as a warning.

Simply wrong. Since I'm German myself and have very good historical knowledge, I would know this if a fact. Any quotes from serious sources to proof this?