Post: #76

(12-24-2014 03:16 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 03:12 PM)catoblepa Wrote:  the glorification of ghetto culture promoted in the american media outlet is unparalleled for any other ethnic/race group.

This is true, I can't think of any other culture which glorifies ghetto aspects of its population. A few developed western european countries (U.K., France, and the Netherlands) have mimicked the U.S. when it comes to this degeneracy but it's really unusual if you look at it from a global level.

If you read the works of Paul Fussell, especially his stuff on class, you'd realize it's a part of having a democratic government. In Aristocratic cultures, the poor and lower classes have no influence on the culture. In Democratic societies it's the proletarians that do, since they are the ones most in need of escape. Why else do you think Aristophanes was able to come to be so big, even though his works are inappropriate and crude even by our own standards?

Post: #77

(12-24-2014 04:41 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  I like reading RT to get an alternative perspective on news. However, when it comes to American politics RT will always focus on any events that make the US look bad. They were all over Ferguson because it makes the USA look like a dystopian police state.

I like watching CNN to get an alternative perspective on news. However, when it comes to Russian politics CNN will always focus on any events that make Russia and Putin look bad. They were all over Ukraine and Crimea because it makes Russia look like a dystopian military state.

Post: #78

(12-24-2014 02:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 02:10 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  There is some serious F Grade stupidity from the SJW's on Twiiter. Like this one. Really? If someone points a gun at me. Im not shooting at thier hand.

All cops should be like wild west circus shooters able to bounce a tin can in the air with 6 rounds. The person you quoted is a fucking moron. Shooting to wound is not only impractical but impossible because people can easily bleed out from a shoulder wound or die quickly from shock. That's the whole principle behind lethal force.

To be fair, it's not like cops can't ever take down a gun-wielding perpetrator without lethal force.

I mean, 2 days ago this guy shot at cops in Philly and is still alive.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncri...Q0YBthF.01

Quote:During that investigation, John McGeehan allegedly showed up drunk with a .45-caliber Kimber and a .380-caliber Sig Sauer. He initially refused to drop the gun and fired one shot that didn’t strike anybody, police said. Officers disarmed him after a brief struggle. He was charged with five counts of each offense because there were five officers in the area when the gun was fired.

Post: #79

(12-24-2014 05:15 PM)Deuce Anna Half Wrote:  To be fair, it's not like cops can't ever take down a gun-wielding perpetrator without lethal force.

I mean, 2 days ago this guy shot at cops in Philly and is still alive.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncri...Q0YBthF.01

Quote:During that investigation, John McGeehan allegedly showed up drunk with a .45-caliber Kimber and a .380-caliber Sig Sauer. He initially refused to drop the gun and fired one shot that didn’t strike anybody, police said. Officers disarmed him after a brief struggle. He was charged with five counts of each offense because there were five officers in the area when the gun was fired.

According to recent media coverage surrounding current events, they always take down black perpetrators with lethal force, armed or unarmed. They RARELY use lethal force when the perp is white.

Post: #80

(12-24-2014 05:15 PM)Deuce Anna Half Wrote:  To be fair, it's not like cops can't ever take down a gun-wielding perpetrator without lethal force.

I mean, 2 days ago this guy shot at cops in Philly and is still alive.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncri...Q0YBthF.01

Quote:During that investigation, John McGeehan allegedly showed up drunk with a .45-caliber Kimber and a .380-caliber Sig Sauer. He initially refused to drop the gun and fired one shot that didn’t strike anybody, police said. Officers disarmed him after a brief struggle. He was charged with five counts of each offense because there were five officers in the area when the gun was fired.

Mr. McGeehan:

Post: #81

(12-24-2014 04:49 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:48 AM)britchard Wrote:  I find it funny how the SJWs call the cops racist. They need to have a re-read of the definition of racist- i.e. hate or discrimination against an entire race. Funny how no black guys who have jobs and their own families ever get shot isn't it...

Are you serious? Do you really not know?

There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

Do better, please. Google is your friend.

This whole "do better" schtick is some of the most patronizing bullshit I've read on this forum.

Post: #82

(12-24-2014 05:01 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:43 AM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:11 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 09:47 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Seriously, what is going on in America with this cop shit? Is it grossly exaggerated or is it really racist cops running around beating minorities?

I'm not going to say that this Antonio Brown guy was innocent because obviously if you pull a gun out on a cop, chances are that you're going to get shot. I'm also not going to say that the verdict of the Michael Brown case was wrong since I'm not that studied well enough in the case to come to that conclusion. Although I do believe Eric Garner was murdered because of what I saw from the tape. But the jury has spoken.

To answer your question, America has had a history of police brutality and police aggressiveness towards minorities. Its not so much that cops go around beating minorities up, it has more to do with them being extra aggressive and racially profiling minorities which leads to incidents of this sort. From experience living in Chicago I do tend to notice that cops are way more aggressive and way more nasty and vile when it comes to dealing with minorities in economically deprived neighborhoods where many minorities live, its as if they are angry. They go into peoples houses without warrants and its just a bad environment of cops altogether. When I go to downtown Chicago, the cops there seem completely different in temperament and very nice.

Of course, I'm not saying all cops are bad, the majority of them aren't but there are some bad apples like with everything else. This is just based off my own experience having growing up in a Latino neighborhood.

Do you know why the cops profile? Because statistics prove that minorities, especially in poor areas, or much much more likely to commit a violent crime then an affluent white person. Its hard to blame anyone when they are just doing what is statistically proven to be accurate. I'm a tall white dude. If tall white dudes were blowing up planes would I get mad at TSA for giving me extra scrutiny every time I went through airport security? No, they would just be doing what is logical. I'd have to get mad at other tall white dudes who kept blowing up the damn planes.

So stats, are good basis to deny people their individual rights as citizens of the United States? There are a ton of crimes that are more likely to be performed by white people; anyone who lives in the suburbs knows that they are a haven for drugs, yet you tend to find most cops at Dunkin Donuts relaxing, while white kids are busy smoking weed and sniffing coke in the woods.

It's not so much that black people commit more crimes, most of us commit crimes in this country everyday that we could easily face jail time for, it's the simple fact that black people do not have the political leverage in poor cities to control the police that they have.

What you said is a half truth. But you can't ignore the other half to manipulate how it spins.

Of course in a white small town the perps are mostly whites. That goes without saying. In most communities the people arrested represent the same % of those doing the serious crime in their communities.

In NYC in the Russian area..you will find more Russians in jail. In China town it is mostly Asian guys I bet!

But you statement also showed a bit of ignorance about law enforcement or at least in a big city.

In a big city 90% of patrol is answering jobs. That means they get a call on the radio and they go to it. In the bad areas it is so busy cops can't even get a full meal time. They spend 9 hours running from job to job and when they get of ftour the dispatchers have jobs that have been holding for the new tour.

You see ? they don't have time to harass or bother you. Sure if you drive dangerously in front of them they will pull you over but they don't have time to actually waste sitting around.

That means they arrest those who have complainants. In other words someone is a victim(complainant) who accusers the other guy. It makes sense the in a black area more blacks will be arrested.

Most whites/Asians are afraid to even go into these areas. But the victims are also black. It is mostly black on black crime. But most of the violent crime comes from these areas. The stats show this and just go visit(legally you can'y) the pct holding areas and you will see this.

Your smoking in the woods reference is silly. Cops in a big city don't have time looking for kids that might or might not be in the woods/park. They arrest people who do the crime in front of them and most serious crimes are reported by a victim.

Maybe white kids in white areas decide it is better to smoke at home than in the public/city own project hallways that cops patrol? So it is a matter of bad choices. That isn't the cops fault. It is like comparing escorts with street hookers. Everyone knows escorts rarely get busted since they are out of public view.

That being said, I can't speak for other cities, but theso called cops that you think are getting people on petty shit and members here complain about are usually squads that specialize in it.

For example there are condition squads that spend all day going after pot/drug users. School squads that go after kids that cut school. Traffic squads that do traffic.

I agree these guys might be annoying and seem like they are harassing you since some of the shit is petty. We even have a squad t that goes after DVD sellers(i disrespect cops in this squad since i don't think gov't should protect hollywood profits).

Point is that these condition/squad cops represent less than 15% of the police dept. Maybe these are some of the annoying cops that members run into but the majority of cops 85%+ are radio slaves. They spend all day running around answering radio runs that never end. They rarely have the opportunity to deal in petty crap unless a victim called them (noise complaint for example).

That being said, not trying to be rascist but in the white areas there are many crime categories where the perps tend to be black guys. In my area for example they have a lot of bank/atm robberies... majority are don'e by blacks.

They actually come into the area to do this. But makes sense since most bank robbers aren't going to do the job where they live. Same as most street robberies.

But car thefts, shop lifting,extortion and prostitution is mostly by whites. But my area is heavily FSU (Russians) and these are rackets they are involved in. Car theft in my area is number 1 in NYC some years. They steal cars and ship them to Poland I heard lol.

But yeah it is frustrating. Transit cops get people on petty shit and the angry person says 'why aren't you stopping murderers out there". Transit cop isn't suppose to leave the subway so it is a very annoying to hear. His jurisdiction ends at the top of the subway stairs.

Post: #83

(12-24-2014 05:25 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:49 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:48 AM)britchard Wrote:  I find it funny how the SJWs call the cops racist. They need to have a re-read of the definition of racist- i.e. hate or discrimination against an entire race. Funny how no black guys who have jobs and their own families ever get shot isn't it...

Are you serious? Do you really not know?

There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

Do better, please. Google is your friend.

This whole "do better" schtick is some of the most patronizing bullshit I've read on this forum.

I could have called him fucking moron for not researching this shit before making an idiotic comment, but what would that have accomplished?

Fuck you if you don't like my choice of wording there pal. Keep it moving.

Post: #84

(12-24-2014 05:01 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  So stats, are good basis to deny people their individual rights as citizens of the United States? There are a ton of crimes that are more likely to be performed by white people; anyone who lives in the suburbs knows that they are a haven for drugs, yet you tend to find most cops at Dunkin Donuts relaxing, while white kids are busy smoking weed and sniffing coke in the woods.

It's not so much that black people commit more crimes, most of us commit crimes in this country everyday that we could easily face jail time for, it's the simple fact that black people do not have the political leverage in poor cities to control the police that they have.

You say people shouldn't use crime statistics to profile against certain demographics, and then you go and stereotype cops as lazy donut eaters without any statistics or evidence at all. Sniffing coke and smoking weed aren't even remotely on the same level as setting people on fire for no good reason.

The prevalence of black crime compared to others has little to do with lack of "political leverage." It's documented in the Department of Justice Crime Victimization Survey which doesn't take into account arrests or the court system. In fact, violent crime is at it's highest in cities where blacks have the most political leverage.

Poor Asians have little political influence and yet they are able to function without widespread violence and degenerate behavior in their culture.

I just wish the black community would focus on some actual introspection.
They need more Taleeb Starkes and less Ta-Nehisi Coates

Post: #85

(12-24-2014 05:38 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:25 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:49 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:48 AM)britchard Wrote:  I find it funny how the SJWs call the cops racist. They need to have a re-read of the definition of racist- i.e. hate or discrimination against an entire race. Funny how no black guys who have jobs and their own families ever get shot isn't it...

Are you serious? Do you really not know?

There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

Do better, please. Google is your friend.

This whole "do better" schtick is some of the most patronizing bullshit I've read on this forum.

I could have called him fucking moron for not researching this shit before making an idiotic comment, but what would that have accomplished?

Fuck you if you don't like my choice of wording there pal. Keep it moving.

As opposed to your rigorous research that consists of vaguely referring to killings of responsible working unarmed blacks being suppressed by the media (which you say is commonplace but none of which you can name).

Post: #86

(12-24-2014 05:38 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:25 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:49 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:48 AM)britchard Wrote:  I find it funny how the SJWs call the cops racist. They need to have a re-read of the definition of racist- i.e. hate or discrimination against an entire race. Funny how no black guys who have jobs and their own families ever get shot isn't it...

Are you serious? Do you really not know?

There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

Do better, please. Google is your friend.

This whole "do better" schtick is some of the most patronizing bullshit I've read on this forum.

I could have called him fucking moron for not researching this shit before making an idiotic comment, but what would that have accomplished?

Fuck you if you don't like my choice of wording there pal. Keep it moving.

Actually his only error was that he said the word NO as in generalizing but there is a lot of generalizing in this thread and online in general so it is forgiven. But saying many, plenty, etc is also a subjective adjective. What you consider plenty, I might not consider much at all.

That being said you care to wager how long until you get banned from this forum??? The only one who FUCKED themselves by their choice of wording is probably you!

Roosh doesn't usually accept foul language from members especially towards senior well repped members and certainly NOT from low rep , low posts members.

So your be the only one moving!

Post: #87

(12-24-2014 05:08 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:41 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  I like reading RT to get an alternative perspective on news. However, when it comes to American politics RT will always focus on any events that make the US look bad. They were all over Ferguson because it makes the USA look like a dystopian police state.

I like watching CNN to get an alternative perspective on news. However, when it comes to Russian politics CNN will always focus on any events that make Russia and Putin look bad. They were all over Ukraine and Crimea because it makes Russia look like a dystopian military state.

Both networks are just propaganda channels for their respective goverments.

Post: #88

Mekorig still lives! lol

Post: #89

(12-24-2014 05:44 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  As opposed to your rigorous research that consists of stereotyping cops as sitting at Dunkin Donuts and vaguely referring to killings of responsible working unarmed blacks being suppressed by the media (none of which you can name).

Reread that and apologize ... I never said anything about cops sitting at dunkin donuts.

I never said those stories were suppressed. You did.

You can google and find a list of all unarmed black men killed by the police... the list will return criminals, as well as responsible working black men.

The information is out there if you want to find it. I know there names. You all don't. Go look before you make these comments.

Post: #90

You said

Quote:There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

it isn't ambiguous. You're saying the media has some sort of agenda that involves reporting police killing thugs but not responsible blacks. It is a ridiculous implication but it is clearly what you intended. You're right that it was another poster who mentioned donuts but it is irrelevant to the conclusion - that you throw around vague accusations, can't name a single one of the model citizens the police supposedly killed and quickly devolved into a semi-coherent and profane rant.

Post: #91

(12-24-2014 05:47 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:38 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:25 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:49 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:48 AM)britchard Wrote:  I find it funny how the SJWs call the cops racist. They need to have a re-read of the definition of racist- i.e. hate or discrimination against an entire race. Funny how no black guys who have jobs and their own families ever get shot isn't it...

Are you serious? Do you really not know?

There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

Do better, please. Google is your friend.

This whole "do better" schtick is some of the most patronizing bullshit I've read on this forum.

I could have called him fucking moron for not researching this shit before making an idiotic comment, but what would that have accomplished?

Fuck you if you don't like my choice of wording there pal. Keep it moving.

Actually his only error was that he said the word NO as in generalizing but there is a lot of generalizing in this thread and online in general so it is forgiven. But saying many, plenty, etc is also a subjective adjective. What you consider plenty, I might not consider much at all.

That being said you care to wager how long until you get banned from this forum??? The only one who FUCKED themselves by their choice of wording is probably you!

Roosh doesn't usually accept foul language from members especially towards senior well repped members and certainly NOT from low rep , low posts members.

So your be the only one moving!

So be it. This particular sub-forum has become a haven for racists and their well written diatribe. I should stick to the game stuff.

Post: #92

(12-24-2014 05:49 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Mekorig still lives! lol

After 7 finals and work, i am myself amazed that i am alive!

Post: #93

(12-24-2014 05:29 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:01 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:43 AM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:11 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 09:47 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Seriously, what is going on in America with this cop shit? Is it grossly exaggerated or is it really racist cops running around beating minorities?

I'm not going to say that this Antonio Brown guy was innocent because obviously if you pull a gun out on a cop, chances are that you're going to get shot. I'm also not going to say that the verdict of the Michael Brown case was wrong since I'm not that studied well enough in the case to come to that conclusion. Although I do believe Eric Garner was murdered because of what I saw from the tape. But the jury has spoken.

To answer your question, America has had a history of police brutality and police aggressiveness towards minorities. Its not so much that cops go around beating minorities up, it has more to do with them being extra aggressive and racially profiling minorities which leads to incidents of this sort. From experience living in Chicago I do tend to notice that cops are way more aggressive and way more nasty and vile when it comes to dealing with minorities in economically deprived neighborhoods where many minorities live, its as if they are angry. They go into peoples houses without warrants and its just a bad environment of cops altogether. When I go to downtown Chicago, the cops there seem completely different in temperament and very nice.

Of course, I'm not saying all cops are bad, the majority of them aren't but there are some bad apples like with everything else. This is just based off my own experience having growing up in a Latino neighborhood.

Do you know why the cops profile? Because statistics prove that minorities, especially in poor areas, or much much more likely to commit a violent crime then an affluent white person. Its hard to blame anyone when they are just doing what is statistically proven to be accurate. I'm a tall white dude. If tall white dudes were blowing up planes would I get mad at TSA for giving me extra scrutiny every time I went through airport security? No, they would just be doing what is logical. I'd have to get mad at other tall white dudes who kept blowing up the damn planes.

So stats, are good basis to deny people their individual rights as citizens of the United States? There are a ton of crimes that are more likely to be performed by white people; anyone who lives in the suburbs knows that they are a haven for drugs, yet you tend to find most cops at Dunkin Donuts relaxing, while white kids are busy smoking weed and sniffing coke in the woods.

It's not so much that black people commit more crimes, most of us commit crimes in this country everyday that we could easily face jail time for, it's the simple fact that black people do not have the political leverage in poor cities to control the police that they have.

What you said is a half truth. But you can't ignore the other half to manipulate how it spins.

Of course in a white small town the perps are mostly whites. That goes without saying. In most communities the people arrested represent the same % of those doing the serious crime in their communities.

In NYC in the Russian area..you will find more Russians in jail. In China town it is mostly Asian guys I bet!

But you statement also showed a bit of ignorance about law enforcement or at least in a big city.

In a big city 90% of patrol is answering jobs. That means they get a call on the radio and they go to it. In the bad areas it is so busy cops can't even get a full meal time. They spend 9 hours running from job to job and when they get of ftour the dispatchers have jobs that have been holding for the new tour.

You see ? they don't have time to harass or bother you. Sure if you drive dangerously in front of them they will pull you over but they don't have time to actually waste sitting around.

That means they arrest those who have complainants. In other words someone is a victim(complainant) who accusers the other guy. It makes sense the in a black area more blacks will be arrested.

Most whites/Asians are afraid to even go into these areas. But the victims are also black. It is mostly black on black crime. But most of the violent crime comes from these areas. The stats show this and just go visit(legally you can'y) the pct holding areas and you will see this.

Your smoking in the woods reference is silly. Cops in a big city don't have time looking for kids that might or might not be in the woods/park. They arrest people who do the crime in front of them and most serious crimes are reported by a victim.

Maybe white kids in white areas decide it is better to smoke at home than in the public/city own project hallways that cops patrol? So it is a matter of bad choices. That isn't the cops fault. It is like comparing escorts with street hookers. Everyone knows escorts rarely get busted since they are out of public view.

That being said, I can't speak for other cities, but theso called cops that you think are getting people on petty shit and members here complain about are usually squads that specialize in it.

For example there are condition squads that spend all day going after pot/drug users. School squads that go after kids that cut school. Traffic squads that do traffic.

I agree these guys might be annoying and seem like they are harassing you since some of the shit is petty. We even have a squad t that goes after DVD sellers(i disrespect cops in this squad since i don't think gov't should protect hollywood profits).

Point is that these condition/squad cops represent less than 15% of the police dept. Maybe these are some of the annoying cops that members run into but the majority of cops 85%+ are radio slaves. They spend all day running around answering radio runs that never end. They rarely have the opportunity to deal in petty crap unless a victim called them (noise complaint for example).

That being said, not trying to be rascist but in the white areas there are many crime categories where the perps tend to be black guys. In my area for example they have a lot of bank/atm robberies... majority are don'e by blacks.

They actually come into the area to do this. But makes sense since most bank robbers aren't going to do the job where they live. Same as most street robberies.

But car thefts, shop lifting,extortion and prostitution is mostly by whites. But my area is heavily FSU (Russians) and these are rackets they are involved in. Car theft in my area is number 1 in NYC some years. They steal cars and ship them to Poland I heard lol.

But your argument is based on crimes being performed right?

I lived in mostly white areas most of my life, I'm not trying to deny the fact that there's a lot of crime going on in black cities that are much more severe than those that go on in the suburbs. And under normal circumstances, I'd be on your side, but I have black friends in Harlem for instance, but also all over NYC that I visit or talk to from time to time, and the times I've been there, I've seen things that are blatantly contrary to what you're saying.

Take for instance, me and my friend went over to Harlem a couple years ago to go hang with his ex who invited us to some Nigerian lounge over there. We went into the club and ordered some food; I was out their gaming some girls (it took about an hour for the food we ordered to be prepared) and he and the girl went out to go walk in a nearby park because he wanted to chat her up a bit and hope get a quickie. However after a couple mins, a bunch of cops patrolling came up to them and kicked them out of the park because they said that the park was unavailable for use after 7 PM due to an increase in crime.

So they came back inside and we ate our meals and stuff. After we were done, he went back outside with his girl and they started flirting with each other inside his car parked in front of the lounge. Three cops that were patrolling the street then came to their car and then asked them to come out and then interrogated them for 30 mins asking them how they knew each other, never giving a reason why. After they had done all their police work, they apologized and then said that their had been a rise in prostitution in that part of the neighborhood.

They then came back inside; the girl was literally shivering: she's a middle class Nigerian girl who lives in Long Island and has a dad who's an engineer - she's not ghetto. My friend and I were dressed in Polo shirts, and are black guys from the Suburbs - not ghetto either. It's not even worth going deep into the fact that we got stopped two other times, just by cops who all they had wanted to do was ask where we were going...or even the third time where we got tailed for about 5 mins before making it on the highway (maybe it was the Infiniti we were driving in - who knows?).

I remember a couple weeks after it all happened and being a little freaked out, texting friends up on and asking them if that was normal, and they said yes. I wouldn't have known that if I didn't go there and experience it for myself, and I wouldn't have even been sympathetic to people who shared such experiences if I couldn't relate to it. If things like that happen all the time, and it's at the behest of people who don't look like the citizens they are patrolling, it's silly to expect those that are innocent people to support those police men. But at the end of the day it's not really their fault, they've been told they can do that.

For the record, I'm not saying that you're racist or anything like that, I don't think most people are, but I find that people have a tendency to dismiss the principle of rights that other people deserve based off their perception of what they are or how they live. When you see people calling for the death of cops in their own areas/communities, they aren't just saying that necessarily because the media told them to do so, sometimes people have problems that no one cared to listen to and irrationality and hatred are the consequence.

Post: #94

(12-24-2014 05:57 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  You said

Quote:There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

it isn't ambiguous. You're saying the media has some sort of agenda that involves reporting police killing thugs but not responsible blacks. It is a ridiculous implication but it is clearly what you intended.

Drop it. I am usually 90% correct about who is going to get banned (Ask Big Nilla or Texas) , with about .01% margin of error. Don't debate with ghosts!

Edit: glad I made you laugh Big Nilla. Mekorig follows me everywhere!

Post: #95

(12-24-2014 06:01 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:29 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:01 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:43 AM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:11 AM)MidWest Wrote:  I'm not going to say that this Antonio Brown guy was innocent because obviously if you pull a gun out on a cop, chances are that you're going to get shot. I'm also not going to say that the verdict of the Michael Brown case was wrong since I'm not that studied well enough in the case to come to that conclusion. Although I do believe Eric Garner was murdered because of what I saw from the tape. But the jury has spoken.

To answer your question, America has had a history of police brutality and police aggressiveness towards minorities. Its not so much that cops go around beating minorities up, it has more to do with them being extra aggressive and racially profiling minorities which leads to incidents of this sort. From experience living in Chicago I do tend to notice that cops are way more aggressive and way more nasty and vile when it comes to dealing with minorities in economically deprived neighborhoods where many minorities live, its as if they are angry. They go into peoples houses without warrants and its just a bad environment of cops altogether. When I go to downtown Chicago, the cops there seem completely different in temperament and very nice.

Of course, I'm not saying all cops are bad, the majority of them aren't but there are some bad apples like with everything else. This is just based off my own experience having growing up in a Latino neighborhood.

Do you know why the cops profile? Because statistics prove that minorities, especially in poor areas, or much much more likely to commit a violent crime then an affluent white person. Its hard to blame anyone when they are just doing what is statistically proven to be accurate. I'm a tall white dude. If tall white dudes were blowing up planes would I get mad at TSA for giving me extra scrutiny every time I went through airport security? No, they would just be doing what is logical. I'd have to get mad at other tall white dudes who kept blowing up the damn planes.

So stats, are good basis to deny people their individual rights as citizens of the United States? There are a ton of crimes that are more likely to be performed by white people; anyone who lives in the suburbs knows that they are a haven for drugs, yet you tend to find most cops at Dunkin Donuts relaxing, while white kids are busy smoking weed and sniffing coke in the woods.

It's not so much that black people commit more crimes, most of us commit crimes in this country everyday that we could easily face jail time for, it's the simple fact that black people do not have the political leverage in poor cities to control the police that they have.

What you said is a half truth. But you can't ignore the other half to manipulate how it spins.

Of course in a white small town the perps are mostly whites. That goes without saying. In most communities the people arrested represent the same % of those doing the serious crime in their communities.

In NYC in the Russian area..you will find more Russians in jail. In China town it is mostly Asian guys I bet!

But you statement also showed a bit of ignorance about law enforcement or at least in a big city.

In a big city 90% of patrol is answering jobs. That means they get a call on the radio and they go to it. In the bad areas it is so busy cops can't even get a full meal time. They spend 9 hours running from job to job and when they get of ftour the dispatchers have jobs that have been holding for the new tour.

You see ? they don't have time to harass or bother you. Sure if you drive dangerously in front of them they will pull you over but they don't have time to actually waste sitting around.

That means they arrest those who have complainants. In other words someone is a victim(complainant) who accusers the other guy. It makes sense the in a black area more blacks will be arrested.

Most whites/Asians are afraid to even go into these areas. But the victims are also black. It is mostly black on black crime. But most of the violent crime comes from these areas. The stats show this and just go visit(legally you can'y) the pct holding areas and you will see this.

Your smoking in the woods reference is silly. Cops in a big city don't have time looking for kids that might or might not be in the woods/park. They arrest people who do the crime in front of them and most serious crimes are reported by a victim.

Maybe white kids in white areas decide it is better to smoke at home than in the public/city own project hallways that cops patrol? So it is a matter of bad choices. That isn't the cops fault. It is like comparing escorts with street hookers. Everyone knows escorts rarely get busted since they are out of public view.

That being said, I can't speak for other cities, but theso called cops that you think are getting people on petty shit and members here complain about are usually squads that specialize in it.

For example there are condition squads that spend all day going after pot/drug users. School squads that go after kids that cut school. Traffic squads that do traffic.

I agree these guys might be annoying and seem like they are harassing you since some of the shit is petty. We even have a squad t that goes after DVD sellers(i disrespect cops in this squad since i don't think gov't should protect hollywood profits).

Point is that these condition/squad cops represent less than 15% of the police dept. Maybe these are some of the annoying cops that members run into but the majority of cops 85%+ are radio slaves. They spend all day running around answering radio runs that never end. They rarely have the opportunity to deal in petty crap unless a victim called them (noise complaint for example).

That being said, not trying to be rascist but in the white areas there are many crime categories where the perps tend to be black guys. In my area for example they have a lot of bank/atm robberies... majority are don'e by blacks.

They actually come into the area to do this. But makes sense since most bank robbers aren't going to do the job where they live. Same as most street robberies.

But car thefts, shop lifting,extortion and prostitution is mostly by whites. But my area is heavily FSU (Russians) and these are rackets they are involved in. Car theft in my area is number 1 in NYC some years. They steal cars and ship them to Poland I heard lol.

But your argument is based on crimes being performed right?

I lived in mostly white areas most of my life, I'm not trying to deny the fact that there's a lot of crime going on in such cities. And under normal circumstances, I'd be on your side, but I have black friends in Harlem for instance, but also all over NYC that I visit from time to time, and the times I've been there, I've seen things that are blatantly contrary to what you're saying.

Take for instance, me and my friend went over to Harlem a couple years ago to go hang with his ex who was inviting us to some Nigerian lounge over there. We went into the club, I was out their gaming some girls (it took about an hour for the food we ordered to be prepared) and he and the girl went out to go walk in a nearby park because he wanted to have sex with her. A bunch of cops came in and kicked them off the park because they said that the park was unavailable for use after 7 PM.

So they came back inside and we ate our meals and stuff. After we were done, he went back outside with his girl and they started flirting with the girl inside his car. Three cops that were patrolling the street then came to their car and then asked to come out and then interrogated them for 30 mins asking them how they knew each other, never giving a reason why. After they had done all their police work, they apologized and then said that their had been a rise in prostitution in that part of the neighborhood.

They then came back inside, the girl was literally shivering: she's a middle class Nigerian girl who lives in Long Island and has a dad who's an engineer - she's not ghetto. My friend and I were dressed in Polo shirts, and are black guys from the Suburbs - not ghetto either. It's not even worth mentioning that we got stopped two other times, just for cops who all they had to ask was where we were going...and the third time we got tailed for about 5 mins before making it on the highway (maybe it was the Infiniti we were driving in - who knows?).

I remember a couple weeks after it all happening and being a little freaked out, texting friends up on facebook and asking them if that was normal, and they said yes. I wouldn't have known that if I didn't go there and experience it for myself, and I wouldn't have even been sympathetic to people who shared such experiences if I couldn't relate to it. If things like that happen all the time, and it's at the behest of people who don't look like the citizens they are patrolling, it's silly to expect those innocent people to support those police men. But at the end of the day it's not really their fault, they've been told they can do that.

For the record, I'm not saying that you're racist or anything like that, I don't think most people are, but I find that people have a tendency to dismiss the principle of rights that other people deserve based off their perception of what they are or how they live. When you see people calling for the death of cops in their own areas/communities, they aren't just saying that necessarily because the media told them to do so, sometimes people have problems that no one cared to listen to and irrationality and hatred is the consequence.

Good story and I believe you and NO i am not racist. I was raised by a Grenadian women who was like a mom to me (more than my Russian slut mom lol)and she was black and half my family is Chinese so I am the last guy to call racist.

But I figured out what the problem is and it is one that us old times complain about and trust me we are on your side.

You and your friends are victims of operation impact. Operation impact is basically the procedure of sticking rookies right out of the academy on street corners,ETC. They have no clue what they are doing, how to do it or how to talk to people.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/20...areas.html


Basically they are told to just patrol and write tickets and being eager beavers they
bother lots of people. There is at anytime before the crisis 1,000- 2000 of them at anytime. But realize they are still a small % of the force and most of them are idiots who end up getting jammed up and senior guys take them to the side and have a talk with them. Problem is they work under supervisors who report directly to the mayor and PC so the average cop doesn't interact with them.

But since the advice on here is to avoid police even making friends with them it is a damn if you do , damn if you don't thing. When one of the impact cops harassed my wife , I stormed over and took care of one of those little bastards. Most senior cops don't back up what they are doing.

Post: #96

(12-24-2014 05:57 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  You said

Quote:There have been plenty of unarmed, working black men with families that have been gunned down by police. You let the media fool you into believing that the only ones who have been killed were career criminals.

it isn't ambiguous. You're saying the media has some sort of agenda that involves reporting police killing thugs but not responsible blacks. It is a ridiculous implication but it is clearly what you intended.

First of all, how are you going to tell me what I intended? I was replying to someone who said there weren't ANY responsible black people killed by the police because somehow he/she clearly believed that to be true. However he came to that wrong conclusion, he did not have all the facts. So I asked the questions:" Are you serious? Do you really not know?"

Secondly you keep saying suppressed. Not me. None of those stories were suppressed. Under-reported definitely. But then one could argue "why keep bringing up old news?" to which I say, because it's still relevant. Mind you I did not refer to any specific frame of time, just as the person I replied to gave none so again I still ask, does he really not know?

But even if I had used suppressed, you make it sound like that's entirely outside the realm of possibility someone would do such a thing. No matter how ridiculous it sounds to you, it's still a possibility.

Post: #97

18-year old black man shot dead by police officer..

Should be:

18-year old black man pulls gun on police officer, officer survives

Oh well

Post: #98

(12-24-2014 02:10 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  There is some serious F Grade stupidity from the SJW's on Twiiter. Like this one. Really? If someone points a gun at me. Im not shooting at thier hand.

It's also obvious that Whoreface has never fired a gun before, so she has no idea how difficult it is to hit someone in the hand.

Such ignorance.

Post: #99

(12-24-2014 06:40 PM)Cobra Wrote:  18-year old black man shot dead by police officer..

Should be:

18-year old black man pulls gun on police officer, officer survives

Oh well

Who would pay for that paper though?

That would be 1 step above " Caterpillar turns into butterfly..read all about it"


I do blame the media for not reporting facts and having bias reporters that create spins. They also control and censor op eds. Sure they post a few going against the media spin to creat controversy but then the other 4 days it supports the spin.

Post: #100

(12-24-2014 05:38 PM)silent_scope Wrote:  Fuck you if you don't like my choice of wording there pal. Keep it moving.

You'd be more convincing if you replaced "Google is your friend!" with "I used google here to provide you with some examples of unarmed Black men with no criminal records who were gunned down by police."

I'm not saying you're morally obligated to provide such a list. But I am saying that your decision to not provide such a list doesn't excuse your "Fuck you if you don't like my choice of wording there, pal. Keep it moving." post.