Post: #76

(12-23-2014 12:57 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 12:05 AM)Deluge Wrote:  We need some "mandatory minimum" sentences for false rape allegations. Prove someone lied about getting raped? Boom at least five years in jail, no exceptions.

This 100 times, if your reputation as man can get sullied so horribly from one of these harpies, their needs to be a balance

But but but but but this will stop "victims" from coming forward!

The real victim here is the guy who has been thrown under the bus by these crazy spiteful bitches. The one girl Emma is a crazy delusional bitch that had consensual sex with him once and then got mad because he pumped and dumped.

I'm guessing in the case of the other girl who is claiming "intimate partner violence," it went something like this:

Him: Hey babe, wanna have sex?
Her: Nah, I'm not feeling it at the moment.
Him: Aww come on babe.
Her: Ok fine.

And in the case of the 3rd girl, I hardly consider groping at a frat party to be anything worth talking about.

To all girls: report rape right after it happens, because if you don't, I won't believe you and there will be no evidence to back up your possibly made up story. I have no sympathy for women that can't gather the courage to take a rapist off the streets and only thinks to speak up a year later.

Post: #77

In all fairness guys, this talk of harsh punishments for false rape claims goes in line with the same train of thought that finds the "guilty until proven innocent" thinking acceptable.

My concern is that legitimate rapes without a bow on top of the evidence will turn around to bite those women in the ass as false rape accusations. We're the civil minded party of culture war, not the social justice warriors.

I was molested as a child and I know this for certain because I am a witness to it happening with my own eyes. It was dismissed in court because of the timeline(my parents didn't find out until a year later) and there was no physical evidence to support the claim. Similar situations do actually take place in rape claims. Should anyone lacking evidence be charged with false accusation? That seems almost as reckless as these Cosby style accusations because "numbers are on our side, so it must be true!".


Before some numbnut accuses me of sjw'ing... please look through my other responses where I defend men being falsely accused.

Post: #78

^^
In all fairness guys, this talk of harsh punishments for false rape claims goes in line with the same train of thought that finds the "guilty until proven innocent" thinking acceptable.

No it doesn't, false rape chargers should have repercussions, it wastes everyone's time, money and reputation.

My concern is that legitimate rapes without a bow on top of the evidence will turn around to bite those women in the ass as false rape accusations. We're the civil minded party of culture war, not the social justice warriors.

Legitimate rapes are minuscule about 0.1 percent of the population actually go through them and even less from a stranger.

I was molested as a child and I know this for certain because I am a witness to it happening with my own eyes. It was dismissed in court because of the timeline(my parents didn't find out until a year later) and there was no physical evidence to support the claim. Similar situations do actually take place in rape claims. Should anyone lacking evidence be charged with false accusation? That seems almost as reckless as these Cosby style accusations because "numbers are on our side, so it must be true!".


That's bad, but we're talking about the current rape hysteria that can get men fucked over for nothing. Judges and courts aren't going to hand out false rape chargers on accusers like candy, unless they actually find out for certain its false.

Post: #79

"That's bad, but we're talking about the current rape hysteria that can get men fucked over for nothing. Judges and courts aren't going to hand out false rape chargers on accusers like candy, unless they actually find out for certain its false."

You mean they won't hand them out like candy...like the current rape accusations are being handed out and handled as?

Come on guys think. More formal legalities aren't the answer to this. I understand that false rape accusations are a scourge to sexual relations. I live under the same threat as you.

The answer isn't a draconian eye for a draconian eye. Making a law a law is always potentially dangerous because the legal system is based on precedence. Once a ruling goes a certain way, it has to be enforced in similar manor until the supreme court overturns or amends it somehow, if ever.

Scare the daylights out of these women with civil suits and shaming just like any other reckless liar. Yes, there should be some sort of legal implication for this, but getting a felony long charge over what could have been an actual victim in a situation is troubling to ponder.
This nations aptitude for institutionalizing people for long periods in nonviolent crimes isn't shown to be rehabilitative.


"Legitimate rapes are minuscule about 0.1 percent of the population actually go through them and even less from a stranger."

Where are you getting this number from?

Post: #80

^^^^^

I agree with Tony Sandos, and disagree with zombiejimmorrison.

You don't need to sentence false rape accusers to jail to severely reduce the number of false accusations. You only need to (1) prevent all college campuses from having any form of informal rape trials and (2) treat with extreme skepticism and/or public shaming any article whose author states, "I was raped." even though her accused rapist was never convicted.

So when Bejooli Shah said, "I was raped", she should've been treated with extreme skepticism and/or public shaming because she never even reported her rapist to the police. (No police report, no trial, no conviction - so no rape.)

And when another chick says, "I was raped!", even though she reported it to the police, she should be treated the same way. (No trial, no conviction - so no rape).

And when a third chick says, "I was raped!", even though her rapist was acquitted at trial, she should be treated the same way. (No conviction - so no rape.)

Post: #81

(12-23-2014 01:43 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  In all fairness guys, this talk of harsh punishments for false rape claims goes in line with the same train of thought that finds the "guilty until proven innocent" thinking acceptable.

My concern is that legitimate rapes without a bow on top of the evidence will turn around to bite those women in the ass as false rape accusations. We're the civil minded party of culture war, not the social justice warriors.

I was molested as a child and I know this for certain because I am a witness to it happening with my own eyes. It was dismissed in court because of the timeline(my parents didn't find out until a year later) and there was no physical evidence to support the claim. Similar situations do actually take place in rape claims. Should anyone lacking evidence be charged with false accusation? That seems almost as reckless as these Cosby style accusations because "numbers are on our side, so it must be true!".


Before some numbnut accuses me of sjw'ing... please look through my other responses where I defend men being falsely accused.

What are you talking about?

Those women would not be sentenced for fake rape accusations if there was not enough proof that they lied. Likely the girls in the relationships with the guy might have gotten sentenced, since they probably sent him "incriminating" text after the "rape".

Of course many cases - especially ones in the past won't be going forward and that is good. When there is no evidence of rape or of false rape accusation it is a case of he-said-she-said, that should end with both parties going free.

Nowadays women only serve time for false rape accusation when the guy has already been in prison for years and gets exonerated or when the accused is so fucking wealthy and connected that he manages to turn the case around and get her ass in prison instead. Both cases are extremely rare.

Rape of a grown woman is fucking rare - child abuse of both genders is not.

And frankly I am for a legal system which rather errs on the side of caution than on outright condemnation. Sure - you will have a few criminals go free, but at least you won't incarcerate butt-loads of innocents. 50-80% of rape accusations now in the West are false.

Now we are moving everywhere into an authoritarian system where an accusation can destroy you and even get you in the slammer, if it is done in the right marxist frame.


And no @ MMX

Quote:And when a third chick says, "I was raped!", even though her rapist was acquitted at trial, she should be treated the same way. (No conviction - so no rape.)

If during the trial it becomes obvious that for example after the supposed rape they texted for days amicably (maybe even witnesses or other evidence), then that is proof for a false rape accusation and the bitch should in turn be sentenced.

Of course if it's a classic she-said-he-said case then she has nothing to fear. And still in such a system very smart women can destroy a man's career, reputation despite any lack of evidence. But at least many more women will be thinking twice before accusing someone.

Apart from that men should be able to fight in court against slander such as rape accusations. You cannot walk around and accuse anyone of child molestation willy nilly, put up posters, go on the internet and say those things and expect to get a away free.

Post: #82

(12-23-2014 04:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  If during the trial it becomes obvious that for example after the supposed rape they texted for days amicably (maybe even witnesses or other evidence), then that is proof for a false rape accusation and the bitch should in turn be sentenced.

Of course if it's a classic she-said-he-said case then she has nothing to fear. And still in such a system very smart women can destroy a man's career, reputation despite any lack of evidence. But at least many more women will be thinking twice before accusing someone.

Apart from that men should be able to fight in court against slander such as rape accusations. You cannot walk around and accuse anyone of child molestation willy nilly, put up posters, go on the internet and say those things and expect to get a away free.

Okay, that makes more sense.

Post: #83

Like I said in the original thread on this topic, I don't think feminists understand the damage caused to their agenda by stories like this. This guy and his friends were feminists. After seeing how feminist treated him over the party mattress farce, they're going to turn against feminism for the rest of their lives and encourage their families and friends to do the same. Feminists need guys like this on their side instead of alienating them.

Post: #84

It's a fundamental part of the feminist system for them to alienate guys like him, causing their own demise, which is a beautiful thing. Like Mike has been quoting Napoleon on twitter a lot lately, "Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake".

Post: #85

(12-22-2014 12:21 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/22/...nd-beyond/

Quote:In October, students at more than 100 colleges carried their own mattresses (or pillows) to call attention to the problem of campus sexual assault.

I stand with Emma! I am going to express my rage against the patriarchy by sharing her burden as a show of solidarity! Living vicariously through her is not enough, so I will suffer the same inconvenience and awkwardness as Emma in the name of Social Justice! But mattresses are like heavy, and I don't want to get the one that my parents bought me at IKEA dirty, so I will carry a pillow everywhere I go!

(Actually it's one of those travel neck pillows. They were handing them out for free at that AMAAAAZING Alpha Sigma Sigma party last Saturday night -- where that hot handball player Deke poured a beer over my head so I slapped him in the ass lollolol! -- so I already have a pillow with a cool logo -- yeah, I was there at the spring rush semi-formal homecoming mixer -- but I lost my iphone 6.5 S+ 462gb space gray only I realized that it was actually stevie playing a prank on me he hid it down his pants and made me fish it out and I found that he had put his phone number in as speed-dial #1 omg maybe he'll invite me to next month's greek week formal date night togo tikki party!!! The pillow can fit in my backpack when I don't need it to grandstand. And if I get bored in my Queer Latino Mestizo Chicano Studies class, I can more easily nod off. Or I can sit on it to ease the discomfort from the hard wooden chairs my sweatpants with victorias secret pink written across the ass plus my thong don't provide enough padding lol #painandsuffering.)

I stand with Emma!

Post: #86

(12-23-2014 04:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Rape of a grown woman is fucking rare - child abuse of both genders is not.

Excluding situations where she's unconscious, I now automatically disbelieve any rape accusations where the 'victim' only 'realised' days, weeks, or months later.

The abuse/rape industry is heavily into coaching people under the guise of "protecting them from trauma" - once someone like that is involved the story changes so rapidly and becomes so familiar that it can never be taken at face value.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #87

(12-23-2014 07:17 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 04:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Rape of a grown woman is fucking rare - child abuse of both genders is not.

Excluding situations where she's unconscious, I now automatically disbelieve any rape accusations where the 'victim' only 'realised' days, weeks, or months later.

The abuse/rape industry is heavily into coaching people under the guise of "protecting them from trauma" - once someone like that is involved the story changes so rapidly and becomes so familiar that it can never be taken at face value.

Actually I do so too, even if she is unconscious I only believe it if she had done a rape kit and goes to the police just like an ex of mine did.

I must admit that the whole rape crap was even new to me until recently despite having swallowed the Red Pill some 1,5 years ago. I have to thank feminism for bringing that to the front, so I could take a good hard look at it.

I also examined previous rape scandals like the one of Mike Tyson, which was an utter disgrace to the US justice system. Now every man should automatically disbelieve a woman who cries rape.

Recently some White Knights went to prison because a woman screamed rape on the street and some guys beat the alleged rapists to death. They went to the slammer together with the bitch.

Don't be that guy. Even if the woman goes to the police there is a 50% chance it's false anyway, so you have to be really careful as a man.

And a public rape claim long after without even attempted police proceedings? That has to be 98%+ fake if the average ones at the police are 50%+ fake.

So I guess there is some truth in the feminist statistics if you reverse them - 2% fake means 98% fake.

Post: #88

There is also an economic aspect to the story. The victim was a scholarship student with parents of "modest" means (according to the article posted). Sulkowicz's parents are both psychoanalysts based in NYC, with her father being called "the psychoanalyst to CEOs" and being Managing Principal of the Boswell Group, a management consultancy.

In other words, princess doesn't have to worry about paying tuition or getting employment after graduation and can engage in extreme SJW without a care about her reputation. Her parents sent her to the Dalton School (tuition over $40,000 per year) before Columbia and now pay a similar amount for her to be a visual arts major. Compare this to the victim, who had to earn a scholarship in order to attend and studies architecture - something where he may actually contribute to society rather than being a parasite like this girl.

It also means the financial burdens of the victim trying to clear his name would have been even greater since Sulkowicz and Columbia have the ability to pay lawyers and he does not.

http://boswellgroup.com/consultants/kerr...owicz-m-d/

Post: #89

(12-23-2014 07:41 AM)Lemmo Wrote:  There is also an economic aspect to the story. The victim was a scholarship student with parents of "modest" means (according to the article posted). Sulkowicz's parents are both psychoanalysts based in NYC, with her father being called "the psychoanalyst to CEOs" and being Managing Principal of the Boswell Group, a management consultancy. In other words, princess doesn't have to worry about paying tuition or getting employment after graduation and can engage in extreme SJW without a care. It also means the financial burdens of the victim trying to clear his name would have been even greater since Sulkowicz and Columbia have the ability to pay lawyers and the victim does not.

http://boswellgroup.com/consultants/kerr...owicz-m-d/

Rich girl beat on guy who worked his entire young life to get a full scholarship (not an easy thing to do). But I guess that kind of SJW privilege counts on the 20th place behind race, heterosexuality, of normal weight and other crap like that.

That said you don't have to apologize for your inherited wealth either - someone in your family sometime had to work his way up - with some families 1000 years ago, but someone of yours did the arduous task of establishing a family fortune.

However that little info certainly explains somehow the crazy behavior and the attention seeking that follows along with it. She does not even care whether she gets expelled, daddy will just pay for another college.

Post: #90

(12-23-2014 07:47 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  That said you don't have to apologize for your inherited wealth either - someone in your family sometime had to work his way up - with some families 1000 years ago, but someone of yours did the arduous task of establishing a family fortune.

Yeah, I have no problem with inherited wealth per se. I just think in this case it created a fatal combination of an outsized sense of entitlement and no consequences. I'd initially assumed this girl was mentally ill but now it seems likely she is just a shitty person. A spoiled brat who found the 3rd in a series of consensual sexual encounters unsatisfactory and so it must be abuse. And when she realized the attention whoring potential, things really took off.

Speaking of attention whoring, she has her own wiki entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Sulkowicz There has been no shortage of people in the media and far left organizations falling over themselves to recognize this girl - who all evidence suggests is no more than a stalker.

Post: #91

Seamus may not have perfectly articulated what he may have been trying to get at (potentially bad game), which could be hard to prove I admit, but Ensam got alot closer to pointing out some things I thought about as I was reading that article.

This guy being a German/International student grabbed my attention. I went to a college known for large international study bodies, and you could see cultural differences in guys, in the way they would attempt to pick up girls. It was nothing for my Saudi friends to whistle and cat call even Jewish women and say shit that was almost slap worthy. Some classmates from Europe, more specifically Spain, would use alot of gentle touches on the shoulders, small of the back, etc. UK guys were very direct and had natural asshole like game. I don't know what your average German guy's game is like, but if this guy is socially awkward for a German, and not familiar with this culture here, he was bound to struggle. Maybe the stuff he pulled was ok or different in Germany from here.

I don't have to tell you guys this but we all know game is complex in the US. It's hard to keep shit simple and get the lay. Your clothes have to be on point, your body language, frame, and posture has to be right, if you touch or go for a kiss, you have almost no room for error. Bump heads on accident and some of these crazy bitches go apeshit and will diss you on the spot.

Like Ensam said, it does not take much to fuck up Social Circle game. Circle game is awesome when it is good, but when it's bad, it's fucking ugly and embarrassing. Piss off one female in it and your whole circle can get torn up. Worst case, they all vindictively go after you and even use the other males in the circle to help them. You can see that, based upon the part in the article about former friends trying to avoid him in the street.

If you lie with snakes you are bound to be bitten. Like DOBA pointed out, he associated with Feminists and tried to be one. I can understand the accused's pain because my exwife was a hardcore Feminist and she nearly ruined my life. It took that for me to get to a point where if I was on a date with an American woman, I would ask them if they were a feminist at some point within hours. If they said yes, I did a check please. I even got to the point that I could figure out that even if some of these women were not card carrying feminists, if they even operated with those same ideals, I ditched them. That is how I got to the point to where I only dated foreign women then started traveling more. I even took it a step further and quit the Democrat party and black politics. Social liberals are my enemies. They will be this young man's as well. When he goes back home he will argue with his mother on these things. I just cannot see him not taking some of this redpill. I just hope he doesn't turn into a MGTOW or some kind of incel.

This should also serve as a final warning to some of you guys still trying to chase and bang card carrying feminists. You know who you are. If regular women aren't loyal what the fuck you think a radical feminist is loyal to?

Post: #92

Seamus doesn't seem as if he's fucked many girls in his day.

Any man with a high notch count can EASILY think of at least 3 crazy girls from their past who have the potential to pull a stunt like this.

I could literally give you their names right now.

Post: #93

The guy should play up his bad boy / sex criminal status. Dress in leather, snarl and stare at the camera every time someone takes his picture, stand intimidatingly next to anyone who is threatening him.

Bad boy game - he'd get laid like a rock star.

Post: #94

(12-23-2014 12:47 PM)Shortest Straw Wrote:  The guy should play up his bad boy / sex criminal status. Dress in leather, snarl and stare at the camera every time someone takes his picture, stand intimidatingly next to anyone who is threatening him.

Bad boy game - he'd get laid like a rock star.

Plus being European and having an accent. Plus he can throw in some gruff German words into his sentences.

Post: #95

(12-23-2014 09:13 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Seamus may not have perfectly articulated what he may have been trying to get at

Au contraire, TK. I think Seamus has articulated his concern trolling perfectly well, hiding behind a mock-reasonable tone and trash legalese terms like "probative" to sow doubt and confusion where there is none to be found.

As far as fucking feminists -- why not, if there is a hot "feminist" piece of snatch you can nail, I say go ahead and hate-fuck her to your heart's content.

Just do it sober and record everything.

Post: #96

(12-23-2014 09:56 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Seamus doesn't seem as if he's fucked many girls in his day.

Any man with a high notch count can EASILY think of at least 3 crazy girls from their past who have the potential to pull a stunt like this.

I could literally give you their names right now.

You remember their names??

TonySandos,

Would it make you feel better if we only applied prison sentences to false accusers that were above a certain age? Like say 16?

Can we move on now and get back to justice for men being falsely accused?

Post: #97

TravelerKai has shown repeatedly his aptitude for constructive discretion, so I can understand his view.

I turned my chick around from the feminism propaganda. She sees the ridiculousness and is even more adamant about being a rational person since we have a black/mulatto/multiracial son on the way. Yes, it can be done.

Kai is right at the end of the day. It's irresponsible for us to advocate that, or to play it up in front of, newbies to game or this world. Look at the clueless, young men of all stripes falling into these pit traps.

Post: #98

Are there not already laws on the books concerning bringing false charges against innocent individuals?

Enforce them.

You don't need a special false rape law. Just charge a few of these nutjobs and it will get national news, making others hesitate before attempting to ruin a man's life for no cause other than her feelings and the promotion of their warped feminist ideal.

Post: #99

Well Fisto, I think Zelcorpion made a well thought out position on what the supposed laws would look like that was founded in justice and rationalism. It's not abhorrent of me to have concern in how the pendulum of justice can swing into the extreme in the other direction.

We should take care to continue practicing what separates us from those fanatical morons on the other side of this debate; being reasonable minded men who are interested in the ultimate truth and grounded in logical thought. That's what makes us measurably better people than the slobbering "activists" demanding harsh revenge for real or imagined injustices. My peace was said and finished beforehand, so this should be all that's left to be said to clear up my past words. Carry on.


Exactly Hotwheels. The legal system is in the shape it's in and laws are becoming more draconian because people keep asking for a more overbearing system. Leave that to codependent weaklings. It would behoove us to continue being involved in protesting each of these cases as they come and continue to be courageous about it. Our biggest adversaries are white knights that are willing to put themselves on the front line. They're fundamentally wrong, but their willingness to channel their masculine courage for damsels in distress is what's given them their edge so far.

Post: #100

The ninth commandment:

Quote:Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Deuteronomy 19:16

Quote:If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him [that which is] wrong;

Then both the men, between whom the controversy [is], shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;

And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, [if] the witness [be] a false witness, [and] hath testified falsely against his brother;

Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.