Post: #1

Hey everyone, I'm on my fifth day in Bucharest and I have some initial impressions and insights and those familiar with this country and its girls, hopefully you can chime in with helpful suggestions. There's good news and some bad news, but first about myself:

I'm in my mid 30's, decent looking Asian guy who looks 25. People always think I'm a college student. I've spent a lot of time in Poland, with some brief stints in Ukraine, Czech Republic, and Iceland. I dabble a bit in day game, night game and some internet dating sites as well as social circle if I can get some good integration. Just to see what works best. I have a full time remote job, so a week of me staying in a place equals to about 2 days devoted to gaming. Anyways, here goes:

Pros

- Romanian girls look pretty good. Romania is as close as you can get to brunette paradise. They have pretty faces and slim bodies, some are even tall. Kind of like a blend of east europe and latin look. Some girls will look more Mediterranean and others more east european. There are a few real blondes here and there, and while most girls won't have the striking aesthetic pop of light hair and blue eyes, I don't have any complaints really.

- For a capital city in a large sized european country, there aren't many foreigners at all. I feel quite exotic and girls do give me prolonged glances quite often, almost on par with what I get in a smaller city in Poland. For some reason, Bucharest is this major city yet it gets overlooked and its great. The girls even smile at me and they seem pretty sweet overall.

- People are really into partying. I was in old town on weekdays and even on a Sunday, there were clubs and good sized crowds. You can pretty much get nightlife action and see lots of hotties any night of the week. And most of theca clubs are conveniently centered in old town.

- I'm getting better looking prospects than I did in Poland. Like the girls who are already showing interest and changing numbers and contacts with me are basically all at least on the 7 or 8 level. I wish I can show photos, but you just gotta just hear me out on this. In Poland, the easy access came mostly from 6s and some 7s. Poland just does't have that many solid cuties, mostly decent, kind of cute girls. The hot polish girls take some effort it seems.

Cons

- Bucharest is a seriously dirty city. There's dog shit, bird shit and decaying infrastructure. It can be a pretty nice city if the caretakers put in some effort. It has some nice historical buildings and the old town can be pleasing if they just restored it and kept it tidy. Still it's not such a bad thing cause its not so attractive to tourists. You can't even find a tourist info shop in the old town.

- English is decent, but still not great. most girls can communicate in English, but you can tell they don't it too often. English fluency might be better than Poland, but not by much.

- People seem to be touchy feely friendly in a way that's common to latin cultures. Yet at the same time they won't do much to help out a stranger. And seem kind of pissy when you want them to just provide basic service. Whereas in Poland, people will go out of their way to help you and make sure everything is ok. But poles won't touch your arm or your back when you're introduced or getting acquainted. Kind of a weird contrast.

- OK, so here's the big hitch about Romania: there's a huge degree of slut shaming pervasive in their culture. I noticed right away that girls at clubs tend to dance together in groups of 6 or 7 girls and it would stay that way for most of the night, with guys just standing around or lurking and waiting for an something good to happen -- and it does't.. I recognize this intrinsic fear of how their friends might think because its eerily similar to what goes on in Asian American clubs.

I don't know if its conservativeness, but there is an oddly religious underpinning to the society. And even though they are eastern orthodox, it seems to have the same effect as what you see in Catholic countries. Tight social groups and one night stands don't really happen. You're going to have to get the girl on a date and take it from there.

Roosh's travel data sheet on Romania is pretty spot on and helped me recognize the patterns and what i had to do. I literally had to stand around and wait for an opening, like when a girl goes for a drink by herself or to the restroom. Separating her from her gal pal group is nearly impossible when her social circle is entrenched in partying and socializing.

- On the flip side, there is a benefit. In Poland, for instance, meeting a girl for a brief moment and getting her number is basically worthless since other guys will be able to deepen their rapport, so you'll easily be forgotten.

But since a Romanian girl really can't go full seduction with you upon first meeting you, you can just talk 5 minutes, get her number and follow up. A lot of times, the girl will respond and go out with you. Kind of amazing actually. That happened with the first cutie I met, we barely chatted for like 2 minutes. And like Roosh mentioned, she made an excuse for us to exchange contacts. We've chatted and have a date set up later this week.

My huge fail

Even with that knowledge I still utterly messed up a few hours ago. I had this cutie eyeing me and we danced close, she touched me very affectionately, and she seemed into it for like 40 minutes. I stupidly followed my natural instinct and stayed in the set and tried to tough it out.

Even though I sensed I wasn't going to isolate ultimately, I still clung on just thinking maybe something will happen. Usually in Poland one thing can lead to another and so its worth a shot at least.

Instead, the initial positive energy began to wane and eventually petered out. She started paying more attention to her friends instead of me and even kind of started to freeze me out a bit, because I was just lingering and hoping at that point. I knew I screwed up when I asked her what her plans were for tomorrow and she replied "You have my Facebook and you can message me, I don't know yet." Basically, it was her way of saying, let's just pick up where we left off tomorrow or at another time. I should have just left right there, while I was still kind of on a high note. Oh well, lesson learned.

Anyone have some experiences with how to navigate how best to optimize your chances? Also, is there any way to crack these damn social circles? I just hate having to resort to just lurking around and waiting for a window of opportunity to open up. Seems so powerless.

Post: #2

I spent about a week in Bucharest a couple years ago. Your pros and cons seem right on.

Yes, there aren't that many tourists in that city, yet, I didn't feel like girls saw me as unique or exotic. However, you're Asian and I'm Middle Eastern. You definitely will stand out more in that country.

Regarding the clubs being in old town. Yes, majority of the bars are located in this old town. I guess they also call that area "Lipscani". But the major clubs, some being even crazier than clubs in Vegas, can be outside of that small 1 mile diameter. Do research on Bamboo Club, Bellagio Club, and Player.

You might want to touch on the gold digging factor in Romania since you spent time in Poland and Ukraine. I'm sure you recognized girls in Ukraine being more money oriented than Polish girls. Romanian girls seem to notice money as well.

And regarding your encounter. While traveling and developing my game, this has happened to me as well. Sometimes it's better to have a nice conversation, yet keep it brief. One, because you want to have something to talk about next time you meet her. Two, because you don't want the conversation to die down. If the conversation slows, you're screwed.

Hit up one of the 2nd tier cities in Romania. If you're getting eyed in Bucharest, it will probably be super interesting in Timisoara or Constanta for example. Going to Lviv was definitely interesting for me. I remember the girl I spent most of time with going crazy to take some pictures with me.

Have a good time.

Post: #3

(11-09-2014 11:08 PM)AmateurGame Wrote:  You might want to touch on the gold digging factor in Romania since you spent time in Poland and Ukraine. I'm sure you recognized girls in Ukraine being more money oriented than Polish girls. Romanian girls seem to notice money as well.

And regarding your encounter. While traveling and developing my game, this has happened to me as well. Sometimes it's better to have a nice conversation, yet keep it brief. One, because you want to have something to talk about next time you meet her. Two, because you don't want the conversation to die down. If the conversation slows, you're screwed.

Yeah, this habit of pushing the interactions as far as possible and sticking it out was something I developed in Poland. Because it often lead to some isolation, perhaps a makeup and if things go really well, sex that night.

In that country I would recommend it more often than not. Even if prolonging the interaction doesn't progress toward sex or something physical, it at least furthers your rapport and she'll be more likely to feel a stronger and more lasting impression. Still, it can be a case-by-case situation.

The gold digging aspect will be something I'll pick up on over time I think. But Romania seems to have a "The man pays for the woman" dating culture and they are poor, so its hard to get out of spending at least some money on going out with women.

On that note, I did notice the girls complaining a lot about how they're a poor dysfunctional nation with limited opportunities. I had some complain about men there too as crude and overzealous.

Post: #4

(11-09-2014 11:28 PM)dontuan Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 11:08 PM)AmateurGame Wrote:  You might want to touch on the gold digging factor in Romania since you spent time in Poland and Ukraine. I'm sure you recognized girls in Ukraine being more money oriented than Polish girls. Romanian girls seem to notice money as well.

And regarding your encounter. While traveling and developing my game, this has happened to me as well. Sometimes it's better to have a nice conversation, yet keep it brief. One, because you want to have something to talk about next time you meet her. Two, because you don't want the conversation to die down. If the conversation slows, you're screwed.

Yeah, this habit of pushing the interactions as far as possible and sticking it out was something I developed in Poland. Because it often lead to some isolation, perhaps a makeup and if things go really well, sex that night.

In that country I would recommend it more often than not. Even if prolonging the interaction doesn't progress toward sex or something physical, it at least furthers your rapport and she'll be more likely to feel a stronger and more lasting impression. Still, it can be a case-by-case situation.

The gold digging aspect will be something I'll pick up on over time I think. But Romania seems to have a "The man pays for the woman" dating culture and they are poor, so its hard to get out of spending at least some money on going out with women.

On that note, I did notice the girls complaining a lot about how they're a poor dysfunctional nation with limited opportunities. I had some complain about men there too as crude and overzealous.

Romanian here.

1. the gold digging aspect is not an issue. There are gold digging girls in Bucharest just like in any big city, but those are not the girls that you want and they usually hang out in the same expensive places.

2. if you are staying for the whole month, try getting a social circle. This helps a lot in Romania. Search for some volunteer work, Erasmus groups, foreign language courses. Everything can help and you will also learn something and make new friends.

I might be there in a few days with an american guy.

Post: #5

I am looking to check out Bucharest real soon. Anybody have any intel on the local universities? I want to go game there but can't find any info about it.

Post: #6

Dude there is no code for romanian girls.

Romanian girls are quiet slutty and they will have sex with you if you are a foreigner. Even in the first day you meet them.

Just speak English to them and you have more chances in you are foreigner from western Europe or USA.

I know American black guys that had a lot of success in Romania.

There is not really slut shaming culture in Romania. If you have a bit of status they will throw inot you.

There are hundreds thousands of romanian prostitutes around Europe in brothels, streets, escorts and even chat hotline prostitutes.

Dress nice, have a bit of money , speak good English and State you are Westerner and you will bang a lot of romanian girls.

Post: #7

Roger so very true, I regularly bang hot Romanian girls without really trying...

Post: #8

(11-09-2014 10:29 PM)dontuan Wrote:  Hey everyone, I'm on my fifth day in Bucharest and I have some initial impressions and insights and those familiar with this country and its girls, hopefully you can chime in with helpful suggestions. There's good news and some bad news, but first about myself:

I'm in my mid 30's, decent looking Asian guy who looks 25. People always think I'm a college student. I've spent a lot of time in Poland, with some brief stints in Ukraine, Czech Republic, and Iceland. I dabble a bit in day game, night game and some internet dating sites as well as social circle if I can get some good integration. Just to see what works best. I have a full time remote job, so a week of me staying in a place equals to about 2 days devoted to gaming. Anyways, here goes:

Pros

- Romanian girls look pretty good. Romania is as close as you can get to brunette paradise. They have pretty faces and slim bodies, some are even tall. Kind of like a blend of east europe and latin look. Some girls will look more Mediterranean and others more east european. There are a few real blondes here and there, and while most girls won't have the striking aesthetic pop of light hair and blue eyes, I don't have any complaints really.

- For a capital city in a large sized european country, there aren't many foreigners at all. I feel quite exotic and girls do give me prolonged glances quite often, almost on par with what I get in a smaller city in Poland. For some reason, Bucharest is this major city yet it gets overlooked and its great. The girls even smile at me and they seem pretty sweet overall.

- People are really into partying. I was in old town on weekdays and even on a Sunday, there were clubs and good sized crowds. You can pretty much get nightlife action and see lots of hotties any night of the week. And most of theca clubs are conveniently centered in old town.

- I'm getting better looking prospects than I did in Poland. Like the girls who are already showing interest and changing numbers and contacts with me are basically all at least on the 7 or 8 level. I wish I can show photos, but you just gotta just hear me out on this. In Poland, the easy access came mostly from 6s and some 7s. Poland just does't have that many solid cuties, mostly decent, kind of cute girls. The hot polish girls take some effort it seems.

Cons

- Bucharest is a seriously dirty city. There's dog shit, bird shit and decaying infrastructure. It can be a pretty nice city if the caretakers put in some effort. It has some nice historical buildings and the old town can be pleasing if they just restored it and kept it tidy. Still it's not such a bad thing cause its not so attractive to tourists. You can't even find a tourist info shop in the old town.

- English is decent, but still not great. most girls can communicate in English, but you can tell they don't it too often. English fluency might be better than Poland, but not by much.

- People seem to be touchy feely friendly in a way that's common to latin cultures. Yet at the same time they won't do much to help out a stranger. And seem kind of pissy when you want them to just provide basic service. Whereas in Poland, people will go out of their way to help you and make sure everything is ok. But poles won't touch your arm or your back when you're introduced or getting acquainted. Kind of a weird contrast.

- OK, so here's the big hitch about Romania: there's a huge degree of slut shaming pervasive in their culture. I noticed right away that girls at clubs tend to dance together in groups of 6 or 7 girls and it would stay that way for most of the night, with guys just standing around or lurking and waiting for an something good to happen -- and it does't.. I recognize this intrinsic fear of how their friends might think because its eerily similar to what goes on in Asian American clubs.

I don't know if its conservativeness, but there is an oddly religious underpinning to the society. And even though they are eastern orthodox, it seems to have the same effect as what you see in Catholic countries. Tight social groups and one night stands don't really happen. You're going to have to get the girl on a date and take it from there.

Roosh's travel data sheet on Romania is pretty spot on and helped me recognize the patterns and what i had to do. I literally had to stand around and wait for an opening, like when a girl goes for a drink by herself or to the restroom. Separating her from her gal pal group is nearly impossible when her social circle is entrenched in partying and socializing.

- On the flip side, there is a benefit. In Poland, for instance, meeting a girl for a brief moment and getting her number is basically worthless since other guys will be able to deepen their rapport, so you'll easily be forgotten.

But since a Romanian girl really can't go full seduction with you upon first meeting you, you can just talk 5 minutes, get her number and follow up. A lot of times, the girl will respond and go out with you. Kind of amazing actually. That happened with the first cutie I met, we barely chatted for like 2 minutes. And like Roosh mentioned, she made an excuse for us to exchange contacts. We've chatted and have a date set up later this week.

My huge fail

Even with that knowledge I still utterly messed up a few hours ago. I had this cutie eyeing me and we danced close, she touched me very affectionately, and she seemed into it for like 40 minutes. I stupidly followed my natural instinct and stayed in the set and tried to tough it out.

Even though I sensed I wasn't going to isolate ultimately, I still clung on just thinking maybe something will happen. Usually in Poland one thing can lead to another and so its worth a shot at least.

Instead, the initial positive energy began to wane and eventually petered out. She started paying more attention to her friends instead of me and even kind of started to freeze me out a bit, because I was just lingering and hoping at that point. I knew I screwed up when I asked her what her plans were for tomorrow and she replied "You have my Facebook and you can message me, I don't know yet." Basically, it was her way of saying, let's just pick up where we left off tomorrow or at another time. I should have just left right there, while I was still kind of on a high note. Oh well, lesson learned.

Anyone have some experiences with how to navigate how best to optimize your chances? Also, is there any way to crack these damn social circles? I just hate having to resort to just lurking around and waiting for a window of opportunity to open up. Seems so powerless.

Bro not that I am an expert but your whole post reeks of Beta nervousness to me . Like some have pointed out you were in EU poosaayyy paradise . You should seriously work on pushing your game's aggresiveness a good few notches ! Just like a Black Guy is expected to be a rudeboy and when he is a well spoken charmer he cleans up the bar .. same for an Asian or Indian guy .. you just have to be this charming motherfucker with lots of swag and East europe or latin america is the kind of place where it's easiest to pull it off even if it don't come to you naturally ! Girls in EAST EU are often not well travelled and they are holding on to cliches .. they'd believe you if you say if you are pimp from Snoop Doggs crib !

Don't analyse the situation be very direct and go for the kill and DON'T PLAY it safe while trying to Isolate ..

You have a major advantage of looking young, you can maybe try caps / earings (if you don't already), tattooes etc etc which can totally cover for your introvertness and elevate your game .

Post: #9

Was thinking today about my trip to Romania back in 2014. One of the highlights of my life so far. Planned on staying for a week, ended up there for close to 3 months. I think my experience greatly differed from those I've seen on the forum because:

a) I went there as a 21 year old by myself
b) I was a bit of a loose unit

Before I entered the country I read up on all the venues in Bucharest in Roosh's datasheet pack. I thought I had Romanian women 'solved' before I already got there. I didn't. Here are a few things I learned in my stay in Romania that I carry to this day 2+ years later:

1. Romanian girls are among some of the most beautiful in the whole world
Fresh off a plane from London (and never before travelled to EE), I was gobsmacked at the sheer beauty of Romanian women. Walking around the day I'd regularly see tall, thin girls with long hair and curves in the right places.

2. If you want to fuck local girls while travelling... stay at an airbnb rather than a hostel
For most guys on the forum, this seems like basic knowledge if searching around the forum. I was travelling on a budget and 21 years old and had good success getting laid while staying at hostels in my 6 weeks of travelling through London and Bangkok. While this wasn't a 'fluke'... relying on going back to the girl's place or taking them back to a hostel bed to fuck isn't a high percentage play.

Getting laid in high volume is in good part logistics. How are you supposed to get laid in high volume if you don't even have your own room?

3. Hone-in your first and second date strategies
For my first week in Bucharest, I was regularly hitting up the forum for advice on girls that I was taking out on dates. Looking back at it now, my problem was simple: my 'date game' was absolute horseshit.

By this time I'd bedded around 30 girls total after a couple of years learning game. However besides a few LTRs - none of these were from traditional dating. I wasn't confident in my strategy for dates and girls sensed this and lost interest.

In saying this...

4. Romania does have a one-night-stand culture
This is where I really learned there isn't one cookie-cutter method for getting laid - whether overseas, or back home in the West. I started reading Roosh when I was 19, so when I saw he mentioned there being 'no one-night stand culture' in Romania... I followed his advice to a T.

After I got my apartment via airbnb in order after a week in hostels, I was certain I was going to get my Romanian flag. First night, after I settle in, I hit the town and meet a fun Romanian 7 with a slim yet curvy body and big brown eyes. We spend around 2 hours with each other after meeting early at El Dictador earlier in the evening. I say I'm a bit tired and we walk past my apartment in the Old Town.

Me (after a few too many beers with the idea of there being no 'one-night-stand culture' in Romania firmly in my head): "Alright, I guess I'll see you around"
Her: "I am not sure when the trains are running to my place"
Me: "Hurr durr something something - I'll see you later"
Her: *confused as fuck* "Um, alright bye"

Thankfully, I did end up fucking this girl (who ended up being my first Romanian mini-relationship)... but the next day I was thinking of why I acted like such a chode. Very funny looking back over 2 years later.

The next night I met a 25 year old at Control Club who invited me back to her place. The night after I met two 19 year olds at Goblin who I invited back to mine. My Romanian flag was more than retrieved and my stay in Romania greatly improved once I removed this limiting belief.

5. Don't go to student towns in the summer holiday period
My trips to Cluj and Brasov, although my stays were both very nice and somewhat short in duration, resulted in zero lays in my time here.

6. Costinesti and Vama Veche are goldmines for young Romanian chicks
I worked at a hostel in Vama Veche (beach on the black sea) for about 3 weeks toward the end of summer and it's the closest thing I've come to pussy paradise. Comparable to a Romanian version of spring break. One big BYO beach party.

Competition is low because mostly hipster dudes but the girls were great. The first 8+ girl I've banged was during my time spent here.

Word of warning: a lot of the girls that come to these beach parties are quite young (many still in high school). Double check ages of girls before doing anything dumb. Even as a 21 year old I felt a bit strange when I found out a girl I slept with was 17 (eventually found out age of consent in Romania is 15 luckily).

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There's much more of Eastern Europe I'm yet to see (currently saving towards a trip over there for next year), but Romania was a great starting point and eye opener as a young man.

Good luck cracking the code gents.