Post: #26

@ Phoenix: my comment was not directed solely at you so my bad if it sounded like that. I'm just saying I've read a lot of outlandish stuff about Thailand on this forum. I don't have time at the moment to find the links but, for instance, there's one thread where a guy claimed he met a bunch of legit chicks at Club Insomnia, which is well known as a freelancer place. Other posters called him out but the poster maintained that none of the chicks were working and that it was all legit. Similarly, another poster was claiming that he met a bunch of girls on Walking Street in Phuket, and only one asked for money.

I don't want to be calling out guys cause I don't know what is really going on during their travels around Thailand. Maybe they had unique experiences and are being honest, but when I read things like the above it generally sounds pretty ridiculous because anyone who has been to these places in Thailand knows what is going on. I'm not saying Bangkok is as hard a city as Dubai or Mumbai to score a legit local chick, but I am saying that this board really blows the city out of proportion.

Post: #27

(10-20-2014 01:16 AM)iop890 Wrote:  You've really got my interest with this post. Give us some more details. What are the names of some of these clubs? Can you get your friend to send them to you in Thai script?

I would include Nung Len, Muse (and probably Funky Villa) in that. These are well-known places but you really won't see a farang in the first two that looks like he's integrating comfortably.

Some farang do go to Nung Len but I have been the only one there before. Personally, I wouldn't even bother going there without a Thai friend, you stick out like a sore thumb. May as well just go to Demo or RCA, it'll make your life a lot easier.

Going out with a Thai social group here has opened up a completely different world. For example, recently I went to Muse with my friend and his girlfriend (a minor Thai actress who he met through his millionaire friends). When we were there she'd just go up to girls, ask them if they speak English, then would introduce them to me.

A Thai social group is worth treble what any game will bring you here, in my opinion. Social proof from 'real Thai's' is extremely rare.

Plus, all the clubs have the 'drinking statically at tables' thing going on. So you've got to give the impression you're there to drink with your table and meeting girls is a secondary thing (though of course, it isn't in reality). There's no reason why four farang would ever share a bottle at Nung Len unless they were on the hunt. They smell this a mile off, and they'll run a mile off. Thai people go there because they're absolutely obsessed with status and showing seniority over their sub-ordinates.

But yeah, I have been hitting up some places I don't even know the name of. There are some clubs in really random places. For instance, my friend was telling me of this huge club near Bearing (far South of Bangkok). Apparently it's rough as hell and it's full of low-class Thai's acting like animals.

But still, this is just the absolute tip of the iceberg. I probably won't have any real value to add for the next year lol. The Thai way is slow. RioNomad and DirectDanger will know a lot more than I do.

In closing, I might argue that it's more important to game Thai guys when you go out. Make friends with the right one and try and meet girls through him at dinner gatherings or something. The most open ones will probably be gay. But if they're gay they probably have some hot female friends. It's an easy way to the table.

And yes, I agree with Afarang. Thai clubs are fucking boring. Give me Taipei for fun any day.

Post: #28

Ah, alright. I've been to Nung Len, Muse, Funky Villa, and Zaleng before. I'd throw Snop in there too as a Thai club if we're counting Zaleng.

And yea, the Thonglor clubs and the Rachada 4 clubs are miles apart when it comes to vibe, and the type of people there. I used to take this 19 year old Suan Dusit student to Zaleng because they don't check ID's, and they often have pretty big Thai bands playing there(Big Ass, Cocktail, etc.), solid place. I wrote a post about Rachada 4 clubs before, I'll dig it up and quote it here. EDIT: I found that post and I'm not gonna post it here, info is old and half-assed. I'll type up a new one when I have time.


I definitely agree about social status game in Bangkok, I once ended up having dinner with Ter Chantivit, Peak Pattarasaya, and my then girlfriend. I didn't take advantage as much as I probably should have, but I can still get girls interested just by showing them Ter's comments and likes on my damn instagram and claiming we're friends. I can't even imagine what it would be like to actually be connected to some famous Thai's.

I also met Mimi Milin, a girl that could have connected me to any model in Bangkok, and I fucking blew it with sub-par game.

Post: #29

What about daygame in Bangkok (and smaller cities as well for that matter)? Assuming you open enough girls to find some who speak decent English, can it work as potentially well (arrange a date same night or next day, bang somewhere between first and third dates) as it does in much of Europe?
Given descriptions in this thread and elsewhere about status and social circles, I'm guessing most upper class and perhaps even most decently educated Thai girls in general, won't be open to going out with a random farang? The receptive girls will be the "farang groupies" (some of whom may or may not also have little side jobs as freelancers)?

Post: #30

(10-20-2014 02:38 PM)MikeS Wrote:  What about daygame in Bangkok (and smaller cities as well for that matter)? Assuming you open enough girls to find some who speak decent English, can it work as potentially well (arrange a date same night or next day, bang somewhere between first and third dates) as it does in much of Europe?

I prefer daygame to nightgame in Bangkok(and everywhere else). I don't have any experience in Europe so I can't compare the two, but daygame is definitely viable. Hit up the malls, especially around universities. Insta-date(get some ice-cream, Thai bitches love ice-cream) and then go watch a movie and have some drinks at your place.

(10-20-2014 02:38 PM)MikeS Wrote:  Given descriptions in this thread and elsewhere about status and social circles, I'm guessing most upper class and perhaps even most decently educated Thai girls in general, won't be open to going out with a random farang? The receptive girls will be the "farang groupies" (some of whom may or may not also have little side jobs as freelancers)?

As long as you have game, and she thinks you're there long term rather than on holiday, you shouldn't have any problem dating "normal" university girls. You'll probably have to be there a while and practice your Thai game to consistently pull/date more hiso girls, but that's also doable with some effort.

If you're only going to be there short term, I'd suggest lying. If you're young say you're studying at Kasetsart or Thammasat. If you're older say you're working in Bangkok.

Post: #31

I totally agree with the assessment that Thailand is a bad place for game.

It's mainly a place for below average looking guys with no job prospects beyond english teaching and no interest in game to get into an LTR with a cute girl from a poorer background that doesn't see realistic chances of getting with a thai guy that could provide for her on the level of a foreigner.

Thai girls with better jobs / rich parents don't like to be seen with foreigners in a non biz setting as Thailand is so flooded with low class tourists and whoremongers and especially in Bangkok it's on display right in the middle of the city day and night. As a result thais are generally very weary of foreigners if there is nothing to gain from interacting with them.

As others mentioned, don't bother going to any hi-so places in Thonglor without massive social proof. It's mainly a see and be seen scene and no girl from a high status background wants to be seen as a low class whore (your looks won't matter). They have one or two shots at getting with a guy of equal social status for marriage that will provide a nice, work free life for her and they ain't gonna fuck that up for a ONS with a foreigner.

I tried day gaming isolated better off thai girls in Ekkamai and Thonglor that had solid english and better than average style, but it turned out to be a massive waste of time compared to the results achievable elsewhere in Asia with equal effort and much larger amount of qualifying targets.

Thailand is good for low cost, high standard living and hooking up with backpacking sluts, but if you're into asian girls and don't want to cripple your game it's better to stick to developed asian countries that have less of a sex tourist stigma and where girls don't primarily want your money but your dick.

Post: #32

Easiest way to meet a normal girl in Thailand is online. I just did a check and there is over 28000 girls who's been online on Thaifriendly during the last three months. And that's just in one of the sites available. That's good girl who's open to meeting foreigners. Of course if you sort the ugly, old, those who only want to practice their English, girls living off the tourist tracks, etc, etc out that number drops quite a lot, but it's still a good number of girls left. Read the book elite online dating, it's very much adoptable to thaifrienly.

I've been going out a lot in Bangkok especially in thong lo and RCA and honestly I haven't got much results from it. While I've been getting numbers they've usually not been leading anywhere, just because I've had much better options coming from online. I'm going out mostly to have fun and get drunk, not expecting to get laid, but of course I'm trying. If I were only here for a few days or a week on a capture the flag mission I would go to soi11 and khao san mainly. Perhaps route66 but I still think it takes a few visit just to start understand how that place works. Route66 is the "Thai club" where girl are most open to speak to foreigner. The girls you'll be pulling from soi11/khao san will for sure be sluts but what does it matter, if you're on rooshv forum you are a slut yourself.

Dating upper class girls on a vacation? Your chances are minimal or non existing.

Edit: For guys coming here longtime, start learning the language immediately and start with the alphabet. This will make it much easier for you. I've meet so many people who's been here for ages and can't even speak the basics.

(10-20-2014 03:57 PM)MikeS Wrote:  After reading this thread I suspect most of my game in my upcoming six weeks in Thailand will be aimed at fellow tourists or Thai girls in clubs in tourist areas (don't give a fuck whether they're freelancers or not, I'll probably attempt the shoring thing but I have a party budget that will be used as appropriate).

Yeah this sounds like solid plan. Get yourself a wing anyway and check out RCA, see how it goes and write back about it here.

Post: #33

(10-20-2014 03:08 PM)iop890 Wrote:  ...

As long as you have game, and she thinks you're there long term rather than on holiday, you shouldn't have any problem dating "normal" university girls. You'll probably have to be there a while and practice your Thai game to consistently pull/date more hiso girls, but that's also doable with some effort.

If you're only going to be there short term, I'd suggest lying. If you're young say you're studying at Kasetsart or Thammasat. If you're older say you're working in Bangkok.

So it basically comes down to lying for the guy on vacation? I hate doing that - telling half truths or deftly changing subjects I'm fine with, but (at 37 but pretty new to game) I'm still not callous enough (not passing judgment here) for blatant lying to girls who seem to be genuinely lexpecting more than just a hook up or a brief fling.

After reading this thread I suspect most of my game in my upcoming six weeks in Thailand will be aimed at fellow tourists or Thai girls in clubs in tourist areas (don't give a fuck whether they're freelancers or not, I'll probably attempt the shoring thing but I have a party budget that will be used as appropriate).

Post: #34

I feel the same way. I've never gone there for less than 7 months and I've always been in university while there. So I've always had that advantage and never had to mislead girls.

For short term I'd go rca and pick up some farang hunters, still better that straight up pros.

Post: #35

Ist always entertaining to read the thailand threads with people talking bout good girls, whores, normal girls, hiso girls, while many have no idea what they are talking about.

Most threads just end in disputes , due to lack of understanding.

In contrast to other destinations with pretty accurate ratings to which most people agree, for thailand they are from super easy to extremely difficult. So why is that? To rate the easiness of thailand it is absolutely necessary to properly differentiate between various target groups.

I feel there is a strong need to do a proper classification of girls ( social status, background, financial situation, where to meet them, etc.) It makes it easier for newbies to understand what kind of girls they have met, and for readers to assess someones postings.

After 8 years nonstop living in the country with few hundred notches, multiple gfs,mia nois, giks etc. understanding of culture and language I feel somehow qualified.

As in thailand social status is pretty much determined by family background with few possibilities for social advancement it is actually not so difficult to allocate the girls into few categories:

Lower class (80%):

1. Girls with normal jobs: factory workers, lowpaid office girls, waitresses, shop-assistants, students( e.g. Ramkamhaeng University)

Background: darker skin, many from Isaan or other rural areas, who moved to BKK, work hard to send money back home to families

Financial: 5-10,000 THB

Where to meet: Online dating, Khao San, Ratchada soi 4 or other low class thai Discos

Easiness: first date bang likely, open to foreigners, limited english, dont want money, of course you pay the date, those girls simply have no money to spend, quite a few farang hunters, daygame tip: business cards - girls will call YOU

Recommended for short and long stayers , who dont want bargirls, This is how I would classify a „normal girl“.

2. Bar Girls, Gogo-girls, freelancers,sponsored girls ( 90% of the guys will only meet those girls)

Background: 95% from Isaan ( Buriram, Udon, Korat, Khon Kaen etc.), „work with farang“ to send money home, want to find foreign bf, husband or sponsor, uneducated – left school with 14/15 yo

Financial: 30-100,000 THB

Where to meet: Sukhumvit ( Insomnia, Q-bar, Levels etc., Nana, Cowboy) Pattaya , Patong

Easiness: You pay u fuck, shoring possible:

Among those girls some consider themselves Hiso ( bullshit!!!) Well some drive brand new cars and live in expensive condos. This just means they found a rich sponsor, who is paying for everything. Before they met that guy they were just normal bar girls and when the guy kicks them out, they will be available for sale again. Those girls like to fuck good looking farangs while bf is abroad, resident or newbie doesnt matter.

When I read posts like: Great, thai girls are so easy…i fucked 10 girls in a 2 weeks holiday in pattaya, patong, sukhumvit for free….i must just laugh.

Reasons for the free shag usually:

1) Girl just back from a short time, likes you, doesnt want money
2) Girls expects money, but isnt asking for it in the morning ( shyness etc.)
3) Girl asks for money, guy refuses in the morning ( those cases are rarely reported in forums)
4) Sponsored girls – see above

To understand the thai bar girl scene, for newbies I recommend the movie lady bar http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrlugj_...les_travel

I was happy when the movie came out couple years ago. I didnt have to answer stupid questions of buddies anymore whether their isaan girls are prostitutes or not.


Middle class 10-15%:

lower: bank executives, better paid office girls,
Upper: managers, small business owners,

students ( Bangkok University, Assumption etc.)

Background: from good families, light skin, university education
Financial: 20-100,000 THB

Where to meet : RCA, ThongLor ( nightgame difficulties: layout/table system, as explained earlier

Easiness: difficult for short timers, multiple dates/some social proof required, usually thai bf, few farang hunters

This is actually how I would classify a „Good Girl“. Recommended for decent looking longstayers, dress sharp, learn some thai, proof that u are not another sukhumvit sex tourist and u score, great gf material

Upper class 5%: I ll keep this short as most will never meet one

( The real thai „Hiso“) Models,actresses, daughters of business owners, politicians etc., students ( Chula, Thammasat)

Background: from the best BKK families, living in estates or luxury condos, drive expensive cars, many thai-chinese, very light Skin

Financial: more money than most of us

Where to meet: ThongLor, Ekkamai etc.

Easiness: NO CHANCE!!! Unless: social proof, local thai contacts required ( see post Leighton Blackstock)

Post: #36

(10-20-2014 06:54 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  Easiness: NO CHANCE!!!

(10-20-2014 03:16 PM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  a massive waste of time

Defeatism? In my RVF?

It's more likely than you think.


You guys are exaggerating how difficult it is to nab "hiso" girls. Yeah, it takes effort. You know what else takes effort? Banging top tier girls in any country on earth.

I'm definitely not the biggest Thailand expert on the forum, not by a longshot. And I damn sure don't have the best game on the forum either. But I've banged upper class girls, I've been flown to Singapore and Hong Kong over long weekends for $500 dinners and fancy hotel rooms, and I've met some pretty famous people. That may be impossible for the average foreigner in Thailand, but we aren't going for average. This forum is about self improvement and figuring out how to bang the hottest girls possible.

So here are some basic tips to nabbing these mythical hiso girls:

Live in Bangkok long term. This one is obvious.

Don't go to Cowboy or Nana I walked through these places once just to say I'd seen them, and decided right away they weren't for me. I don't know why anyone would want to understand the "bar girl scene".
Spending too much time going to these places really hinders your game. You're adjusting your game to Thailand, it's a bit like learning game all over again. When you first started learning game did you go to out and try to bang hookers for free or did you go to universities, malls, etc.?

I'd skip Khao San too, actually, but that's just personal preference.

Learn Thai. If you're already living there long term I don't see why you wouldn't learn the language, it helps more than just being able to communicate with more girls. If you understand the language you'll be able to understand the culture. Being able to make a pop culture reference, sing a bit of a song, or make a clever joke will put you above most foreigners, and you don't need to be even close to fluent to do that. I'd also agree with Satoshi above that you should learn the alphabet first. I'm just learning the alphabet now and it's a pain. Would have been much better to learn that in the beginning.

And most importantly:
Have a social circle. Don't you guys complaining about how impossible hiso girls are have any Thai friends? I hung out with other farangs a handful of times but 99% of my time in Thailand was spent with Thais. I may have had an advantage in making friends due to being at a university, but go out enough and you should make some friends. It's easier to befriend hiso Thais than it is to bang them, start with that.

Once you have the social proof to get you in the door it's all up to you and your game.
These girls are human, they still have vaginas and those vaginas still tingle when you do the right stuff. There are of course some girls that just aren't open to foreigners, but acting like it's impossible to get an upper class girl in Thailand as a foreigner is absurd.

Post: #37

Outstanding post. That's what kind of talk we need round here. Spot on too.

Post: #38

I'm happy to see someone else has finally prioritized social circle game in Asia. If you want quality on the regular this is the only way to go in my opinion.

One thing i'd like to add here is that university attended isn't always an indicator of "class" level. Plenty of Thammasat and Chula girls are middle class. I have dated a few girls from both schools and my ex gf was from Thammasat. In fact i'd say the vast majority are middle class and the hi-so are the exceptions. There are plenty of hi-so and posers in Bangkok though.

For someone who is on a shorter time line ABAC girls might be your best bet. ABAC is the underachiever school that's still considered respectable. Plenty of girls that go there are complete airheads but many speak decent english.

Post: #39

I did crazy #s in Thailand. 11 in 2 weeks. Solo. All night-game.

But I'm a 6'2 half-chinese/half-white aka leukrang. Tons of girls thought I was somebody famous or what not. Im basically a 10 to most Thai girls. On the flip, most girls thought I was a Thai guy (go figure).

I actually visited my semi-main girl (at the time) who was a legit hiso (but I met here in Los Angeles). Dude3737 you met her at Harvard and Stone. Chick's family owns a bunch of real estate all over Thailand and she asked me to stay in one of her condos in Noble Remix ( i turned her down and stayed at a 4-star in Asok. She got mad insulted at that, lol. Oh well).

But there is no doubt, that I was pulling middle-class girls/students and shores. Probably 70% shores, 30% normal girls. Most weekdays expect lots of shoring.

If you want to go for legit hi-so girl, you either have to be in the top 1% of looks for them, loaded, or living their permanently. Sex speed is slow at the traditional thai places. Fn table service and herd mentality kills your pulling ability. Only place you could possibly do it is Escobar. The upstairs/downstairs creates an in-transit situation. You can snag somebody walking up and down those slippery stairs, because they are walking so slow.

I pulled 0 hi-so girls on my trips (sans my girl I knew from LA).

Funny story- I was having beers w/a forum member and a late 20s hi-so girl picked me up at 3am (drunk as hell) on soi 11. She was driving in her brand new car to afterhours. Petite light-skinned chinese thai decked out in high designer gear. Zero english. I hopped in her car, but after she met up w/her other thai friends, she got nervous or gun-shy and dumped 30 seconds after we walked in.

I had a great time, but if you want normal girls I'd do taipei. Ease of sex is similar to the USA, but w/way higher quality and friendliness.

Post: #40

@Thailand_Veteran

Implying that all poor girls in Thailand are dark, all Isaan girls are dark, or all hi-so women are light-skinned (or even close to all) is outright absurd. And the middle class is definitely not all light-skinned.

While there's a higher percentage of these different skin tones with those respective backgrounds, it's far, far from uniform. You've lived in The Land of Smiles way long enough to know that is just Thailand's own brand of racial stereotyping.

You can find those milk white honeys in the projects (especially in the North!) while out buying some fried noodles, and you'll find plenty of dark-skinned ladies in high-end salons spending a fortune just to get their hair did. Just an aside.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #41

Guys are better off hitting up US colleges for the daughters of rich thai men.

Post: #42

(10-20-2014 09:29 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Guys are better off hitting up US colleges for the daughters of rich thai men.

Then you miss out on the ones that were sent to study in Australia, New Zealand, and the UK only to eventually come back to Thailand for family businesses/connections

Post: #43

(10-20-2014 09:52 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 09:29 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Guys are better off hitting up US colleges for the daughters of rich thai men.

Then you miss out on the ones that were sent to study in Australia, New Zealand, and the UK only to eventually come back to Thailand for family businesses/connections

I should of sent ones sent to Anglo countries for school.

But we are on the same page

Post: #44

(10-20-2014 09:16 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  @Thailand_Veteran

Implying that all poor girls in Thailand are dark, all Isaan girls are dark, or all hi-so women are light-skinned (or even close to all) is outright absurd. And the middle class is definitely not all light-skinned.

While there's a higher percentage of these different skin tones with those respective backgrounds, it's far, far from uniform. You've lived in The Land of Smiles way long enough to know that is just Thailand's own brand of racial stereotyping.

You can find those milk white honeys in the projects (especially in the North!) while out buying some fried noodles, and you'll find plenty of dark-skinned ladies in high-end salons spending a fortune just to get their hair did. Just an aside.

Maybe I should add that i tried to explain the situation for bkk. Of course in the North or parts of Isaan where ( e.g Udon ) where the majority of people do have white skin anyway the situation is of course different. Also there are definately exemptions, but i think in general the classification is accurate. You may like it or not but thats how thai society is. Try to find really dark-skinned girls in Chula or Thammasat.

However I dont think we should focus too much on the skin issue.

Post: #45

I might add regarding the 'foreigner reputation' issue, the whoremongers etc have a specific look. An old white fat scruffbag.

If you're a young, ripped (or at least slim), well dressed gentleman, you're not going to lumped in with these guys. I talked to one late 20s german guy who had a hottie and her friends in tow in a Thong Lor club, who was just there for a quick trip, who wore a thin white t-shirt each time I saw him to show off his ripped model-like physique, and had a happy go lucky personality. The more you stand out, the more you'll get made an exception for.

Post: #46

(10-21-2014 05:14 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I might add regarding the 'foreigner reputation' issue, the whoremongers etc have a specific look. An old white fat scruffbag.

If you're a young, ripped (or at least slim), well dressed gentleman, you're not going to lumped in with these guys. I talked to one late 20s german guy who had a hottie and her friends in tow in a Thong Lor club, who was just there for a quick trip, who wore a thin white t-shirt each time I saw him to show off his ripped model-like physique, and had a happy go lucky personality. The more you stand out, the more you'll get made an exception for.

Not sure about this. You hang out around Sukhumvit, Phuket, Pattaya and there are tons of younger 20s and 30s guys. A lot of the younger guys at least partake somewhat in the skanky side of Thailand even if they are not into it 100%. Of course, if you are a 6'3 model looking dude (of any race) you probably would do well in Bangkok (or most other cities in the world). But I still think to "good" Thai girls foreigners in general, particularly white foreigners, are viewed as sex tourists regardless of age or even looks.

Post: #47

^^ That last sentence couldn't be further from the truth.

Post: #48

There are 2 kind of foreigners in Thailand, the tourists, and the living ones. If you want to fuck a "very good" Thai girl, you need to be living there, rent a house, be somewhat established. If you want just to get pussy (avoid P4P too), you will be able to get it with lower-class girls that had a few dicks in before you, the kind of girl you don't want as a girlfriend. I've been living there for the past year,

Bangkok: Like other major cities, big malls, etc. you can have fun on Khao San road.
Pattaya: Paradise of STDs, ladyboys, old 60 y.o. "farangs" getting girls in their 20's and getting milked out of their money.
Phuket: Good for 2-3 days of fun, but too many westeners, you won't enjoy it.
Hua Hin: Never visited, but by the reviews, it seems a good place.

I also totally agree with Thailand_Veteran's post. He sure knows more than I do, and upper-middle class are the best girlfriends IMO, but proofs are required.

When I was hunting one-night stands, I used to game in tourist cities like Patong and try online dating, it was good, but too easy and it's probably not my biggest achievement.

Post: #49

(10-21-2014 12:44 PM)alex3948 Wrote:  Bangkok: Like other major cities, big malls, etc. you can have fun on Khao San road.
Pattaya: Paradise of STDs, ladyboys, old 60 y.o. "farangs" getting girls in their 20's and getting milked out of their money.
Phuket: Good for 2-3 days of fun, but too many westeners, you won't enjoy it.
Hua Hin: Never visited, but by the reviews, it seems a good place.

Post: #50

I was in Thailand a month and had every sort of girl except HiSo, which i see zero appeal in chasing anyway.

If you go to Phuket, Pattaya, Ko samui; places like this you will be fucking semi-pros/bar girls one way or another, and trust me you'd want to. The girls not working in bars, working in like 7/11's or whatever look like they were beaten with a baseball bat, fell to the ground and then had their head hit with a baseball bat again and again. I've never seen such ugly, non-obese women and it's not like the average bar girl is anything special either, maybe for a balding, fat 60 year old man it's more exciting. In Phuket tourists were very often with their boyfriend and the ones that weren't had bodyshapes resembling men compared to the Thai girls, there are some exceptions though. There are nice looking girls working at hotels, but there's obvious logistic problems with going after them. There sort of places are hardly pussy paradise unless you're paying, the only thing that salvaged Phuket for me was meeting a really sweet girl working in a hotel to pay for her holiday. I'd never go back there but if i had to i would get a motorbike and ignore the locals as much as possible because they're mostly cunts.

http://www.livingincmajor.com/images/tra...kkamai.jpg
Anyway your best is Bangkok, staying near the BTS, walking distance to E5, E6, E7. There are a lot of girls that exclusively date foreigners, most are not low class or working in a bar. They generally speak good English but not fluent, it varies a lot though. Most of the girls i had were dates from Thai friendly staying in this area.

Khao san could work but it's kinda scrapping the barrel...I wouldn't get a hotel there, but it's probably the easiest place to pick up at night. As other have said, taking home a middle/upper class girl at night at a place were it's not a farang hunting ground isn't easy, keep in mind she probably doesn't even have conversational English.