Post: #51

A little off topic but does this suit wearing thing only apply to mexico/south america. Granted I live in the midwest but when I think of guys wearing suits in clubs I think of the 90s. I wouldn't ever wear one to the mall either. Not knocking your style, just honestly curious.

Post: #52

(03-08-2014 12:13 AM)ridiculous_nicholas Wrote:  A little off topic but does this suit wearing thing only apply to mexico/south america. Granted I live in the midwest but when I think of guys wearing suits in clubs I think of the 90s. I wouldn't ever wear one to the mall either. Not knocking your style, just honestly curious.

Fair question. I didn't see any suits out, even when I went to fairly classy places. A nice dress shirt will do the job just fine. I personally liked wearing a t-shirt underneath a blazer.

Post: #53

I've been coming to DF now on and off for a few months.
I like it a lot and I'm probably going to be posting up here for a while.

Here is my Data Sheet. Credit goes to some of the earlier posts on this and the other DF thread, which had a lot of solid info that I have used.

I would rate DF as a good place to live if you can afford to stay in Polanco, Condesa, or Roma, and you have time to day-game, network, and build up a pipeline. But if you are visiting for a short time, I would not come in with high expectations of racking up notches, it's probably not the easiest place to do so.

Talent: The upper tier talent that you see in the better neighborhoods is impressive. However, the average girl in the street is generally not that great. Outside of the trendy areas, you might have to walk around a while just to find a girl who is bangable.

Still, on average women are more feminine and have a much better vibe than their counterparts in the US. I give Mexican girls a +1 for their style, attitude, personality, dancing ability. On the bad side, you see a lot of American tendencies creeping in, like feminism, hipsterism, obesity, cupcakes, iphones, etc. However, I get the sense that the Latin culture still runs strong here and these things will never get as bad as they are in the US.

Day-game: I'm starting off with day game because that is my preferred game style and I think that's the best thing about DF.

Street game can be good just about anywhere in Condesa, Polanco, or the Reforma business district. You can milk the new-in-town angle all day. Standard Roosh day game has worked really well for me.

Coffee shops. Any Starbucks, anywhere, especially Polanco or Condesa. Here I'll bring a Spanish textbook as a prop and post up for a little while. If I see an attractive girl, I'll ask her for help with something.

Any mall. Antarra has been the best one for me. But you need to be patient because I don't see many girls shopping by themselves. Most are in groups or with their families.

The great thing about day game is that you can do it with intermediate or probably even basic Spanish. Not being fluent makes it convincing that you need help with something. My day game results have actually deteriorated as my Spanish has gotten better.

Night-game: In my opinion it's difficult. There are not many venues with public mingling areas. Most of the places I've been to have been huge sausage fests. It can be difficult to make enough approaches to get the numbers game working in your favor.

Here are the venues that I've been to:

Sens: Easily the highest calibre of talent that I've seen yet, and also the highest class venue that I know of. Basically there are two bars with small mingling areas. But 90% of the real-estate is private tables. My advice is to show up early, make friends when it's early to build up some home bases for later. You can alternate between the two public bars, and there are some standing-only tables in between that are less VIP than the others, where you can more easily befriend people as you pass through. It is also way the hell out in Santa Fe, making logistics horrible. Most of the girls here have attitudes to match their looks so be ready for some blowouts. Dress your best. I suited up and showed up early to make sure I made the door. Despite the difficulties, in my opinion it's worth the trip and the effort.

Hyde: In the same mall as Sens. For the younger crowd. College kids and highschoolers with fake Ids. I did not hit it up yet. But if you are doing Sens, it would not be a bad idea to get entry to both so that you have a backup if you are struggling at Sens.

Joy Room: Very nice upscale lounge. Older crowd. Bigtime sausage fest on Fridays and Saturdays. Thursday actually was decent one time. Again, to beat the door show up early and dress well. Like Sens, there are two very small mingling areas and the rest of the real estate is private tables. No cover. No dance floor.

Ragga: Very young (18-21 mostly) club next to Joy Room. As has been mentioned, this club has a great layout, and it has a lot of areas where you can post up and run game without a table. I've kissed girls and gotten numbers here but all the girls I met here have been really flakey. Most girls will be there with like 20 friends from college who will pull them away to something else every minute. Isolation is a challenge but opportunity abounds.

Montes: This was a pretty good spot in Condesa near Fuente Cibelles. Small place, younger crowd, with a decent bar and dance floor. Last time I went it was shut down. Not sure if that was temporary or what.

Apotec. Next to Montes. I went once and it was not great. Major sausage fest and it seemed like a lot of angry spoiled and thirsty rich kids. Probably the worst vibe of anywhere I've been. Lots of bloque de cocko. Got turned away another time despite being well-dressed, though admittedly I showed up late and did not lock the place down previously.

Gravity: Another difficult club where 90+% of the area is private tables. There is a bar downstairs and another one upstairs where you can try to mingle but I found it was even more difficult than Sens or Joy.

1Oak: Heard it's good from a local guy who is a player, but have not been yet personally.

Love: I checked it out once on a weekend night and it was completely deserted. But I hear it's very good on Wednesday nights.

Lenor: Small hipster bar/club in Condesa. Probably the easiest place to pull but quality was low and it was all annoying hipster girls.

Arctic Bar: Small club. They were paying women to show up and hang out to make it seem like it had talent. I'm not going back there anytime soon.

Pata Negra: Huge open bar, or rather a big bar upstairs and small one downstairs at street level. This is probably the best place to go if you don't speak Spanish. But for that reason there are usually a lot of thirsty-looking white dudes there as well. I haven't been too impressed with the talent there but there's usually something at least bangable.

Walter: People keep saying it's a good hook up spot. I have not been yet, but it might be worth a look especially if you are not in town for long and you want an easy notch.

Limon: Small club, mostly tables, with a small bar. I don't recommend it unless you want to crash private tables.

Date spots: Condesa is great for dating because there are tons of small, moderately priced intimate bars and restaurants, one next to the other, so you can venue change easily. Basically you can meet anywhere in a 5 block radius of Nuevo Leon and Michoacan and go from there.

In Polanco, Reves, Habita Hotel rooftop and Jules Basement are really good. They are all near Virgillio which is a good area to hit up for dates.

Dangers and Annoyances: The crime and kidnapping stuff is way overblown. Just use your common sense. I feel safer here than in the US. In reality, if you are worried about safety, you're way more likely to get killed in a car accident. I was in a taxi that got into an accident. Mexico doesn't have a concept of pedestrian right of way so crossing the street can be an adventure. The traffic is horrible, and it can be time consuming to travel between neighborhoods.

Game tips: The clubs don't get popping until about 12:30-1. I usually try to show up at midnight to make sure I make the door. I'm also usually one of the first people in the club as a result. Most places stay open until 3 or 4, though in reality by around 2:30 the quality and ratios start to deteriorate drastically. I tend to get shit-tested really hard on what I'm doing/why I'm in DF. The other thing I recommend is drinking lightly because girls have been really quick to call me out if I get even slightly intoxicated.

Lifestyle: People are generally friendly, polite, and chill, especially for being such a big bustling city. If you can afford to stay in Condesa or Polanco then it's great, and you can enjoy a European-style of life during the daytime. Roma is also a good area. There are also many other solid mid-tier neighborhoods like del Valle, Coyocan that are less happening but more affordable and still nice to live in.

At this point Condesa is more like yuppie-hipster, and Roma is now the real hipster area. I like Condesa because it's more affordable than Polanco, it has better dating logistics, you still get access to good talent, and you can still go out to Polanco very easily. Even if you get a place in Polanco, you'll still probably need to take taxis when you go out because Polanco is very spread out.

DF is a good place to work on your Spanish as the accent is fairly neutral and clear, though of course some people do use a lot of Mexican slang.

Dress recommendations. If you're not sure, default to business casual during the week. For weekend nights, you can default to casual blazer/dress-shirt/nice-jeans or a suit. I definitely recommend wearing good shoes and no sneakers. The people who can afford to go out in DF also usually dress sharp.

Summary: Bring something to the table if you want quality. Some combination of Spanish, game, dancing ability, dressing well, bankroll, looks. If you are foreigner with decent game and Spanish ability, you can do very well here, though it might take some time to get revved up. I don't recommend DF for beginners in game or Spanish unless you are willing to put in some work.

Post: #54

So I just got back from a three night stint in Mexico City. The guys who've already posted to this thread have given very actionable advice, and I agree with everything that Bourne writes in the post above. I thought I'd add my two cents, er pesos, as well by way of a mini trip report. I'm a gringo in my mid 30s, high level of Spanish and decided to go last minute solo (i.e., two days in advance). That didn't leave a lot of time for pipelining, but I did my best on OKCupid, POF (waste of time), Badoo (needed to have started earlier), and Tinder (would have been more valuable had I been there longer). I found that OKCupid and Tinder had the best quality as well as better educated girls, in case conversation actually matters. Those girls tend to speak some English too, btw, but speaking Spanish will win you points at the outset.

Logistics: I stayed at the Four Points by Sheraton in Roma. If you're a frequent flyer pointshound like me, the value is outstanding (3,000 points a night). Otherwise, I'd suggest trying to get a little closer to Condesa as that's where the action is at. I would absolutely recommend an apartment over a hotel in this neck of the woods as there aren't too many affordable hotel options in Condesa/Roma. If three stars is adequate, the Hotel Roosevelt seemed very well located. If you're a big spender, then stay at the Condesa hotel (I stayed there my last visit). Cab drivers are reasonably honest during the day but they will try as a hard as they can to rip you off at night. I was quoted at various points 3x the going rate.

Thursday: Arrived in Mexico City in Went out with a girl I met on OKCupid. She had suggested the date thinking I was stateside and I called her out on it. I was very impressed - she looked a bit like Paulina Rubio and was a pleasure to chat with. We went to an unremarkable wine bar called La Estacion in Condesa, then bounced to Pata Negra which was already crowded for a Thursday night. A couple venue changes later and I went home with her ("I don't normally do this but..."). Golden touchdown - Mexican flag captured within 6 hours of landing.

Friday: Decided to do cultural activities during the day. I walked around the Zona Historica and Templo Mayor. It's worthwhile, though not as impressive as the pyramids outside the city (I've been to DF before). The lack of tourists is amazing for such a large city and I found talent in the streets to be subpar I was going to meet up with another girl from OKCupid in the evening but after we switched to Whatsapp, I bailed after finding her photo there unappealing. I hit Condesa in the evening and ultimately ended up upstairs at Pata Negra, where I made out with a mestiza looking girl who barely made it past quality control. We ended up going to her friend's boyfriends apartment nearby but could not pull her away as a different friend had left with her things.

Saturday: I walked around the Bosque de Chapultepec and visited the Castillo there, which has an interesting museum of Mexican history, and then proceeded to Polanco. Again, I was very unimpressed by the average lady in the street. Antara offered nothing special either in my opinion. The Museo Soumaya behind it, however, is very worthwhile if you like art. I found it to be a cross between the Guggenheim museums in Bilbao and New York and, especially since it's free, would recommend meeting a girl here. Most Mexicans were so pleased to find an American visiting that you can pull the cultural venues as an easy, inexpensive date. That evening, I went out with the girl from Friday again, but however amazing the chemistry was the first night, it just wasn't there that evening. Of course, I shouldn't have teased her for having four cats in her apartment (shared with her roommate, but still!) but I dropped the ball. Upset with myself, I went first to Polanco where I tried to get into Joy Room (reservation only) and so ended up at Ragga. Whoever said it's young wasn't kidding but the girls here are undeniably hot. I made out with a girl still in high school, literally half my age! The kids here are rich - half of her friends were planning on going to school in New York once they completed their senior year of high school (!!!!) and the family of a few even owned apartments there. I then bounced back to Pata Negra, where I worked on a very attractive blond with whom I would have had a good shot if staying in DF longer, but a ONS wasn't going to happen.

Sunday I headed home.

In summary, I liked Mexico City and believe that had I started pipelining earlier, I would have done considerably better. As a New Yorker, I like big cities with good culture and food in addition to nocturnal actives. The fact that women were generally educated in the areas I went out was a nice contrast to the pipelining I had been doing for an aborted trip to the DR. None of the women I met were gold digging as best I could tell. They are very kissy (no issue with PDA) but culturally resistant to ONS. I know that Polanco is popular on this forum but it was way too spread out and a bit snobby for my taste. Condesa was much more my speed and heavily reminded me of Palermo in Buenos Aires. I strongly recommend Azul Condesa for outstanding Mexican food (mole and mezcal in particular) and Ojo de Agua for an inexpensive brunch place, which is also in Condesa. Everyone uses Whatsapp, btw, so for such a short trip, I just roamed using my US cell. These girls are very texty and even now that I'm back, my phone is continuing to light up.

Post: #55

I'm moving to Queretaro for a year, starting this Fall, so I'm going to give this whole thread a read when I have a chance. Anyone have any experiences there or in Guadalajara?

Post: #56

Free in Mexico City this weekend, March 28, 29 and 30, hit me up.

Also some time on Monday if you want to go for a drink.

Post: #57

Too many datasheets have been made recently so I will refrain from posting a new thread. Since I think this is the main/best sheet with info I will add too it with my info.

Mexico City
I will try not to repeat all the info that is already on Mexico City. Look up the posts of WestCoast for an overview of vibe and check out Bourne’s list of clubs which when I first landed I used as a guide.

Disclaimer: I would consider myself a beginner and by no means am I consider great with woman. I came too DF too focus strictly on my game. I’m short but in shape, still have a bit of AA too but I dress very well and get compliments every single time I go out. I speak great Spanish and rented an AAA apartment and although pricy it paid off tenfold. The following places may not be the best but they worked for me.

Budget: in 30 days I spent a total of just under $3800 USD which included a $700 plane ticket and an apartment that went for $1400. Also I never cooked one meal although I did eat on the street pretty often.
Spanish: I learned most of my Spanish by travelling and watching telenovelas. My grammar is terrible but since I can talk fluently just with a hard accent. Also I will say that speaking Colombian slang works wonders in Mexico. Maybe I stumbled onto something here about speaking slang from another country but it works. Next time I’m in Colombia I will speak Mexican slang and see if it has same effect.

Col Roma

Lemon Tour: Cool vibe with great staff that makes great drinks although it can be a bit pricy. Go up the stairs and sit on the couches with the girl. Waiter might pull a move and say that its only for groups of 4 or more but if you take care of him he will let it slide.

BangBang: I stumbled into this place walking down the street when I saw the biggest/meanest looking bouncer I ever saw in my whole life guarding the entrance with a 15 foot red carpet. I just had to walk in and see the place. The place looked like an 80’s Miami Vice bar but filled with older hipsters. Selling point is the 1.75oz shot glasses and the strong ass drinks they make. Also if you’re a bit hungry try the “Marlon Taco” or the “roast beef something”. Don’t come here expecting too pick up girls. Overall Not bad but I would mark it as a skip and only go if really bored.

La Cerverceria: Good spot too start night off with girl. Drinks are cheap. Go early or make reservation as this place gets jammed on busy nights.

Walther: 250 Peso cover, with grey goose/soda at 140 pesos and it’s a normal count. Chicks here were fine as wine and thin as wind just like SENS or a good night at Joy Room. Easy to talk to girls since the layout of this place is just awesome and the guys are all whack. I couldn’t decide which spot was the best because everywhere was a great spot to post. Smoking lounge or the 2rd floor bar are probably best though. If you got slick clothes and the bankroll this place is a MUST.

Rhodesia: Go on Wednesdays or Thursday when there is no cover. Located in Fuentes Cibeles Music sucks, crowded, quality isn’t great but on the plus side if you have lots of energy you can do very well here. Go for just after 11 since the line gets huge.
Note: The Chuchito Perez next door had some stunners. Didn’t have a chance to go in but damn the girls were really great. Somebody should try pairing this with Rhodesia and tell me how it works out.

Lilit: Hands down one of the best spots too bring a girl on date too. The drinks have that flair that girls love Example: There is a drink called San Francisco Homeless and they give the drink in a paper bag. Also layout is great If you can’t escalate here then you have to reexamine yourself. Went 3 times and average price came out too about 650 pesos with tip.

Belmondo: Great simple food that’s pretty easy on the wallet too. I would come eat here and then walk to LimonTour or Lilit to meet up with my dates. If you’re in Col Roma you simply must try this place out.

Condesa

Social: Not the greatest spot but I made this place my home since I got along with the whole staff. The main bouncer is a really cool dude who can make you skip the line for 2nd floor Pata Negra if you really want to go there. COME EARLY and sit at bar. Deuces come here to have a drink or two before leaving.

Restaurant Azul on Nuevo Leon: Nice setup and great service but the food is not special in anyway. Skip

Pata Negra: I forgot who said on the forum but it went something like “Come on dudes you can do better than Pata Negra”. Hes right the place is a big sausage fest and mostly sucks BUT the girls are pretty easy and even if they are with a guy don’t be afraid to steal her. Nobody is heavy in this location.
Gameplan: Go too second bar at the very end on the extreme left where the bathrooms are. Talk to people waiting in line for bathroom, the cashier guy or just dance a bit by the pole. Open girl then grab her and take her to the first bar where dance floor is. Dance for 1-2 songs, go grab a shot, then say lets get some air(the place is jammed so she will probably want air as well). You now got her outside. Either take her home or offer to go grab a quick drink at Social.

Catwalk: Place is one big joke convention. You can make jokes all night long about this place. For however bad it is though the girls are young and fine and the guys are a bunch of hams. Setup is made for groups but if you can overcome that part it’s pretty easy to scoop some chicks. Thursday night is ladies night when I went there was actually more girls than guys here. What I did was go early get stamped then bounced to another venue. I would go back around 2:00-3:00 after all the hams bought bottles for the girls. Go in and start picking them off. Watch out for the industrial stadium size smoke machine they have. Blows so much smoke you can’t see your hands in front of face.

Don Quixote: Skip. This place blows and it’s 150 cover. It’s like a second floor Pata Negra that is overpriced with terrible setup.

Polanco:

Stick too Masaryk and Plaza Antara. Look at other Datasheets for info on JoyRoom, Ragga, Love etc…

Astrid Y Gaston: This place blew my mind. Came here twice if it wasn’t so expensive I would have eating here every single night.
Buddah Bar: Foods pretty good but the ambience really gets you in the mood too hit the pavement at night. Sit at the bar and organize thoughts for night ahead. Never brought a girl here( I don’t do dinner dates) but I’m sure if you do it’s a guarantee homerun.

Afterhours
El Gatito in San Angel: First off if you don’t know Spanish or you wear a checkered shirt tucked into your jeans with a brown belt this place is simply not for you. That being said this is in a very quiet part of town especially since you’re going to be there from 4-9 AM. When you first show up you only see a taco resto with no signs of a club. Walk up to the taco resto and on the right there is a staircase. Go up its 50 pesos to get in. Music is salsa/cumbia/Narco Corridos. Be prepared to be only tourist, get stares and be careful which girls you approach.
Note: Everyone even the waiters are smoking here. Be prepared to Dry Clean clothes the next day. Plus if it’s your first time in place it’s a thing that you have to sing a song on the microphone. I sang Tito Puente “Oye Como Va” Don’t be shy this is how I went home with a girl.
Warning: When leaving you have 2 options. First one is too stand on the road hoping an available taxi passes by or Second option go with the sketchy guys who have regular beat up cars and offer to bring you where you gotta go. I took second option and used that driver I met for rest of my trip.

Mono in Col Roma: A bartender told me to go here and too put it simply HAD A BLAST. Good Ratios, fair prices might be hard to get in if you show up too late or dressed bad. Music style is Electro/House

Parque Espana/Parking lot full-proof Move: Didn't score at the clubs? Struck out at the bars? Well then go to the parking lot of Pata Negra and Social at around 3-4 AM and start asking people if they know a good afterhours or ask if they want to go too an afterhours. Mexicans love to party so your bound to get a group of people who want to go. I did this every time when I didn’t have a girl. I even stayed in one Friday slept until 2AM showered had two drinks then just went to parking lot. The best way to do this is too not focus on a few people or one group but to ASK EVERYONE (even thirsty/shabby looking guys) you see. I mean start making this as complicated and loud as possible where more than one car is needed. Then as people start discussing how to get there zero in on your girl and say that “this is taking too long, my apartment is down the street let’s take a quick shot there and then meet everyone at club” if you finesse it right you never end up going to club. IF you can’t make that move for whatever reason, go with everyone to club and then try and pull her again over there. This probably works outside of any club but the parking lot of this place does pack up at the end since there is a couple of bars nearby.

Tips: The following points have been said countless of times but just in case!

FIND A GOOD DRIVER: I was lucky to find 2 good ones, one for day and one for night. These guys were able to get me certain items that one may want when in Mexico. Also girls LOVED it when they knew that I knew the driver and found it absolutely hilarious. Yes you do pay more (that’s why they like you) but in return you get a good driver who knows the deal. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post personal information on here. But if you guys want good drivers PM and ill throw you there numbers and where they hang out.

Crema de Mezcal: When on a date with a chick bring this alcohol up so you can get her excited for second spot. What I usually did was go too casual spot to have few drinks then say “Hey you ever try Crema de Mezcal I hear its really good” Most likely she’s going to say yes and then boom conveniently there is a bar that serves Crema de Mezcal beside you or near your place. Tastes like Kahlua mixed with Baileys and packs a strong punch to help seal the deal.

MOVE FAST: Escalate faster than you would in North America. If your at a club Once you’re talking/dancing with girl 7 min MAX to make out with her then if you succeed, try and get her out of location ASAP ideally too your place but if not just another club/bar where she will know nobody. I got TWO chicks snatched from me for moving too slow.

Note: Use Christians McQueen “Priming Technique” and just try and do his steps as fast as you possibly can. Just whatever you do DON’T directly translate his “Do you want to be my girl tonight” in Spanish it just doesn't have the some meaning as in English and comes off really bad. “Quieres quedarse conmigo esta noche” works better. Like I said I'm a beginner and doing this technique step by step at first really worked wonders for me.

PROPINA: Don’t be cheap and tip 20-30%. If you do it right you will get a great return
Example: Since I was so close to Parque Espana I always went to Social as my starter spot most days. After only my second visit did the bartender gave me extremely strong drinks and would only charge 50% of shots/drinks I ordered every time. He also let me sit at the best spot in the bar and reserved my spot (which is the end closest to the bathroom were the waiters put the empty glasses. Also one of the waiters would go out of his way and introduce me to girls saying “Did you meet Donnie514 he is the main man over here”

Alcohol
The following is a list of drinks that taste great. I always thought Patron was a superior tequila but turns out the following are better and even cheaper.
Tequila: Don Julio 70, Reserva de la familia, El Maestro
Mezcal: Rey del Zapoteco, Real Minero Barril
Also if you like rum take advantage of Zacapo 23 years as the average price is 110 pesos in bar which is a steal in my opinion.

Overall I really liked Mexico City and would return in a heartbeat. It is the first time when I travel that the girls had enough means too drive cars and pick me up, drive around in which I thought was great since almost every bar/club has valet. Bit more expensive compared too other Latino countries although if you pay the price the quality is there.

Again look at the other datasheets for info on other spots and things to do and see in the day.

I know im forgetting some other info and places so feel free too ask any questions.

Post: #58

Outstanding posts above, +1 from me.

Post: #59

Thanks Hank

Forgot 2 of my favorite spots.

Sabor Amor in Col Roma: This resto is hands down a must if your in DF. The setup is in an old house where you can be eating in a bedroom,living room etc. The food is superb and prices are fair.

Buddah Bar in Polanco: Foods pretty good but the ambience really gets you in the mood too hit the pavement at night. Sit at the bar and organize thoughts for night ahead. Never brought a girl here( I don’t do dinner dates) but I’m sure if you do it’s a guarantee homerun.

Also don't listen to TripAdviser at all. I usually don't but for some reason I went and tried the #1,#2,#4 #6 and I won't even mention there names on here since these restos were pure crap and overpriced. I usually read Tripadviser to just get a feel for the city but man those reviews are way out of whack.

Try the followin websites for a MUCH better guide to the city.

Chilangos

or

Donde Ir

Post: #60

Donnie, Enfuego and Bourne: this thread just got as good as it can get.

Post: #61

(05-06-2014 01:58 PM)donnie514 Wrote:  . Also I will say that speaking Colombian slang works wonders in Mexico. Maybe I stumbled onto something here about speaking slang from another country but it works. Next time I’m in Colombia I will speak Mexican slang and see if it has same effect.

^^^^This. I can vouch for this as well. A Colombian in Mexico is rare and will always work wonders because the accent is different. Im Mexican and when I went to Argentina I talked Spanish with a Mexican accent. Boy did I get so many compliments from girls, I said things like "cabron, wey, que chulada de vieja, ora mija, culero" and the girls were getting a kick out of it. Obviously its not going to get you unlimited amount of puzzy, but it at least gets you in the door.

I'm really intrigued with the possibility of going to another Latino country and talking with a Mexican accent. I really do think Colombia, Paraguay and and Venezuela has a lot of potential for us Mexicanos especially in the Caribbean as well. Keep on pushing my friend.

Post: #62

Was in Condesa last weekend. Social bar I really liked but I was with a Mexican GF so was not approaching. That bar has been open less than 6 months.

There are two Pata Negras that I went to. The first one on the street corner is a sasuage fest with expensive drinks. The other one which is two blocks down the road does not look like much on the ground floor but get up to the first or second floors and its not bad.

Kings Pub a little further down the same road is a good option especially on a Sunday when its surprisingly busy and has live music. Annoyingly they had two different prices on the menu for the exact same drink (draft beer) and decided that they have to charge me the higher price when I pointed out the mistake. Typical fucking mexico. Anywhere else and they would apologise for the mistake and charge you the lower price.

Post: #63

Nice DataSheet. Anyone still around here? I'm here for some weeks.

Post: #64

Where in Mexico you now? Any DF people/ insights?

My half day in DF.. after not having gone day game in years.. (but im naturally social and conversational.. unless I get into super work mode.. happens quite a bit off late)

Given that I was only out for half of the day walking around, I can say a lot of the above DAY stuff is on the dot; even though I wasn't able to SCOUT all the above locations.

Honestly, given the 'friendly' warm ladies and people, approach is not hard - at all. In fact, they go out of their way to help a new comer who cant speak spanish.

Got a bunch of #'s .. easily with some light banter / laughs/ teases and some stories of mine, being new to city, (most are real, 1 maybe fake, but how flaky or sure they turn out is to be seen) and

+ Missed a 'fools gold' that pretty much handed herself to me. Could have been easy escalation had I followed her lead.. invite
(wish I had met/ had insights from some local wings)
[where I was a bit wary of going (safety/ trust), over thinking/ analyzing logistics, being tired from a day of walking, wondering if she was legit. and so on.. DOUBTS.. DOUBTS.. got to get rid of them.. When in doubt fuck! fuck it!]

Few keen observations:
- Average chica on the street.. not so hmm..
- Busted Ugly dudes with pretty girls.. damn .. on was a busted dude with a short chica who was 8/9 and could be poster girl with makeup/ airbrush) - How would such a 'mexican' girl take it.. if a better looking/ dressed/ taller male approached the newly dating couple? (Thoughts/ ideas// use new to city/ spanish angle.. and then switcharoo.. flirt/ intent with her or.. just segway to # of both and later *secretly* text/ call her away)

- But,.. given that a smart well dress man (not suited.. but dark denims and jacket) is rare to see.. in the day..
- Got quite a few 'neck turns' from ladies.. (even though i was not dressed to the T)

- Given that most of these guys are dumpy, not well dressed or lookers.. t
- Given that even though lot of average chicas are not worth a second glance..

.. BUT.. IF you place yourself at a good location for 'DAY GAME' there are plenty to TIRE YOU OUT.. in half a day if you had the energy to approach and game them all..

Few thoughts/ queries/ concerns:
- Since lot of them are kinda short/ petite.. it scares me a bit to talk to some because some may be 13 yr old teenagers..
- Mostly shopping / hanging weekend with parents / groups (easier than parents) .. how would their parents respond?
- Had some laughs with a female staff.. what would be the best way to go forward with them (mexico specific issues if any?).. (cant flirt at work)
- Love hotels and if anyone has used those / heard of.. when an interaction escalates..

But, in one way.. given that I only spent half a day at a mall.. and some metro stations.. and they are friendly and approachable.. Its a Goldmine.. if you know the places to go.
PS: Metro was mostly crappy/ dumpy.. but everytime I felt a bit lost at metro stations and prayed to the lord.. a pretty angel appeared.

PPS: Any FINER tips/ thoughts related to day game specific to Mexican Girls.. and how/ when to go from asking directions to getting digits to flirting / teasing? I'm doing all of the above.. just wondering if I can fine tune this for Mexican girls.

More detail report/ data sheet later.. This is just from a half day out..

TINDER/ BADOO/ OKC:
- Tinder has a lot of cuties.. but wierdly.. I aint getting matches.. even with the AUTO LIKING apps.. where I dont even get match with war hogs.. And I look dress enough to get bunch of neck turns
- Badoo / Zoosk/ Scout.. lesser quality.. bunch of chatting.. but seems like they are ADD on chat due to too many guys giving attention.. Dropped my # to a few .. 1/2 because we both Veg.. tired of chatting & waiting for response.. THOUGHTS? ADVISE?
- OKC - No Quickmatches , few likes (Not Alist.. cant see), Few solid messaging back & forth.. dropped my #.. to 1..

PS: A little better DIET and EXERCISE would do this nation GOOD! Seriously!

PS: I think I saw some PUAs / Players at this mall - One with fancy leather gear on his wrist (I used to use them and always got peacocking attention) and one guy was kinda suited up and insta dating/ walking with a girl. Thought I'd say hello and ask.. But, there were so many short cuties around and I was wondering which of them are legal and not with parents

Post: #65

(10-12-2014 05:22 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  Where in Mexico you now? Any DF people/ insights?

Seems I missed you for an hour, got to Monterrey Sunday morning. I should be back in 8 days unless I land some business, so lets meet before you leave.

(10-12-2014 05:22 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  PS: I think I saw some PUAs / Players at this mall - One with fancy leather gear on his wrist (I used to use them and always got peacocking attention) and one guy was kinda suited up and insta dating/ walking with a girl. Thought I'd say hello and ask.. But, there were so many short cuties around and I was wondering which of them are legal and not with parents

Dont worry about the "PUA" community in Mexico City, they are mostly harmless and play low-level game. They mostly hunt at the Bellas Artes area, which has to say not the most interesting talent on Mexico City. Why they go there then? Ill never know. If one of them was suited up you can be sure they where not part of the Mexlair.

If you actually see a guy thats actually pulling girls, just approach him and compliment on his game. If he has any knowledge of game he will mention it.

Post: #66

(10-12-2014 05:22 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  How would such a 'mexican' girl take it.. if a better looking/ dressed/ taller male approached the newly dating couple? (Thoughts/ ideas// use new to city/ spanish angle.. and then switcharoo.. flirt/ intent with her or.. just segway to # of both and later *secretly* text/ call her away)

Don't bother. Seriously man. Mexican girls are for the most part very loyal. Trying to hit on a girl in front of someone she is dating/boyfriend is a major faux pas.

Post: #67

(10-14-2014 03:13 PM)Americas Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 05:22 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  How would such a 'mexican' girl take it.. if a better looking/ dressed/ taller male approached the newly dating couple? (Thoughts/ ideas// use new to city/ spanish angle.. and then switcharoo.. flirt/ intent with her or.. just segway to # of both and later *secretly* text/ call her away)

Don't bother. Seriously man. Mexican girls are for the most part very loyal. Trying to hit on a girl in front of someone she is dating/boyfriend is a major faux pas.

I kind of realized the couples/ loyalty is there.. even with neck turns from them.

Hmm.. I was wondering as I could sense it was a FIRST DATE out for a movie or something and they were still a bit distant.. What about in such NEWLY forming DATES where the girl is not YET.. INTO.. or PRE- INTO the guy.. still not determined about him? Or is that still a NO GO?

Anyways, with the girls I talked to as I went about my day through Metros & Malls etc..

So, opening, getting them laughing, and getting numbers was not hard. Following up.. with them hasn't been the same. 1/2 responded for a bit on text and others did not even though they were all 'red' & 'blushing' when I conveyed INTENT and got their numbers.

Are they ADD, Busy or just flaky in general?

Or is it the 'foreigner' visiter/ trust & comfort factor that's throwing them off?

Thoughts/ Insights?

And wierdly, the foolsmate fools gold was a hottie who literally offered herself on a platter on the weekend, but once that NIGHT's WINDOW was gone (Doubts, Exhaustion, Trust/ Security concerns on my side until I pulled the trigger) has not responded at all after that night. Was she just up for fun/ DTF for the night's adventure ONLY?

Wondering about the girls here? The "signals" are kind of different. Need to learn to READ them better.

I'll post DETAILED Outlines once I have little more time and maybe you can diagnose for me.

Post: #68

I wouldn't even bother approaching or trying to pick up girls who are obviously with another guy. Yes, it may be 'possible' to snatch them, but the chances are low enough that it's way better to focus on other girls.

You have to realize something about Mexico: this is a high social circle game place. Girls aren't traditionally used to getting approached in the street. Even though they may like you, they might ignore any further contact because you are extremely outside their social circle. I would even go as far to say that day game isn't what you should be focusing on in DF. However, if you manage to insta-date a girl, and build some comfort then it could work fine. Also, if you don't know the girl, it's best to ask to go out with her friends, that might make it easier to get something actually materialized.

Mexicanas are friendly people but there is a pretty thick line between some random and someone they are interested in. They don't just jump into dating someone they met off the street typically. I would even say that you are more likely to have a ONS from a girl (which isn't incredibly common in the first place) than get a notch from this approach unless as I said before you built up some comfort with her the first time you met.

If I were you, I would focus on night game. I would approach mixed sets or girl sets, or try and get them to pull you into the group. This should be your bread and butter game in DF. Make friends with everyone and try to get a bidding war between the girls in the group. The best place to do this is in more laid back bars rather than clubs. Mexican girls can be super jealous and/or competitive with other girls. Knowing how to get them competing is the key towards getting a notch.

Have you noticed that you rarely see any girls by themselves in DF? This is just part of Mexican game, you will have to penetrate sets, build comfort with the social circle, then target and try to isolate one.

Mexican game can be quite difficult. I had to build comfort with their friends before I got any notches there (except once). It's just how it is, girls won't trust you unless you show that you are a normal person to other people. Christ, I even had to build comfort with one of the girl's families before I got anywhere with her.

So the fact that you are getting numbers all over the place doesn't surprise me, nor does it surprise me that many of those are duds as far as getting anything materialized. Think about it, you were just some guy they met on the street and they don't trust you. If you don't build that trust with them either through extended comfort on your first approach or proving yourself in social circles, it wont go anywhere.

Post: #69

(10-14-2014 03:13 PM)Americas Wrote:  Seriously man. Mexican girls are for the most part very loyal.

This magical place called Mexico you speak of sure sounds interesting.

Post: #70

(10-14-2014 05:11 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 03:13 PM)Americas Wrote:  Seriously man. Mexican girls are for the most part very loyal.

This magical place called Mexico you speak of sure sounds interesting.

Well, it's been my experience, and it's backed up in the data:



But since you grew up there, you may have different opinions.

Post: #71

(10-14-2014 03:13 PM)Americas Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 05:22 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  How would such a 'mexican' girl take it.. if a better looking/ dressed/ taller male approached the newly dating couple? (Thoughts/ ideas// use new to city/ spanish angle.. and then switcharoo.. flirt/ intent with her or.. just segway to # of both and later *secretly* text/ call her away)

Don't bother. Seriously man. Mexican girls are for the most part very loyal. Trying to hit on a girl in front of someone she is dating/boyfriend is a major faux pas.

Lets have him do it and video it at the same time. Then he can upload it here while I grab some popcorn and watch it.

Post: #72

Approaching a Mexican couple and trying to get her number or flirting and expecting the guy not to do anything because you're taller and well dressed?

Post: #73

(10-14-2014 03:46 PM)Americas Wrote:  I wouldn't even bother approaching or trying to pick up girls who are obviously with another guy. Yes, it may be 'possible' to snatch them, but the chances are low enough that it's way better to focus on other girls.

You have to realize something about Mexico: this is a high social circle game place. Girls aren't traditionally used to getting approached in the street. Even though they may like you, they might ignore any further contact because you are extremely outside their social circle. I would even go as far to say that day game isn't what you should be focusing on in DF. However, if you manage to insta-date a girl, and build some comfort then it could work fine. Also, if you don't know the girl, it's best to ask to go out with her friends, that might make it easier to get something actually materialized.

Mexicanas are friendly people but there is a pretty thick line between some random and someone they are interested in. They don't just jump into dating someone they met off the street typically. I would even say that you are more likely to have a ONS from a girl (which isn't incredibly common in the first place) than get a notch from this approach unless as I said before you built up some comfort with her the first time you met.

If I were you, I would focus on night game. I would approach mixed sets or girl sets, or try and get them to pull you into the group. This should be your bread and butter game in DF. Make friends with everyone and try to get a bidding war between the girls in the group. The best place to do this is in more laid back bars rather than clubs. Mexican girls can be super jealous and/or competitive with other girls. Knowing how to get them competing is the key towards getting a notch.

Have you noticed that you rarely see any girls by themselves in DF? This is just part of Mexican game, you will have to penetrate sets, build comfort with the social circle, then target and try to isolate one.

Mexican game can be quite difficult. I had to build comfort with their friends before I got any notches there (except once). It's just how it is, girls won't trust you unless you show that you are a normal person to other people. Christ, I even had to build comfort with one of the girl's families before I got anywhere with her.

So the fact that you are getting numbers all over the place doesn't surprise me, nor does it surprise me that many of those are duds as far as getting anything materialized. Think about it, you were just some guy they met on the street and they don't trust you. If you don't build that trust with them either through extended comfort on your first approach or proving yourself in social circles, it wont go anywhere.

Thanks. This was probably the most valuable piece of information, that I WISH was on the DATASHEET to begin with. I'd have played it a bit differently.. I did get into social-ing myself with some of them's peers/ connects.

Given that I read on this thread they were DTF, I realize now its a bit different. So, the NIGHT chica that invited would've been my escalate and get intimate GOLDEN MISS.

Can you comment on the following?

So, these 2 girls (one invited me and was pretty keen).. atleast she was keen for that night.. she asked me to come along and even later at night said come over (to the club). ..

Wierdly, the foolsmate fools gold was a hottie who literally offered herself on a platter on the weekend, but once that NIGHT's WINDOW was gone (Doubts, Exhaustion, Trust/ Security concerns on my side until I pulled the trigger) has not responded at all after that night. Was she just up for fun/ DTF for the night's adventure ONLY?

Wondering about the girls here? The "signals" are kind of different. Need to learn to READ them better.

(10-14-2014 07:07 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 03:13 PM)Americas Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 05:22 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  How would such a 'mexican' girl take it.. if a better looking/ dressed/ taller male approached the newly dating couple? (Thoughts/ ideas// use new to city/ spanish angle.. and then switcharoo.. flirt/ intent with her or.. just segway to # of both and later *secretly* text/ call her away)

Don't bother. Seriously man. Mexican girls are for the most part very loyal. Trying to hit on a girl in front of someone she is dating/boyfriend is a major faux pas.

Lets have him do it and video it at the same time. Then he can upload it here while I grab some popcorn and watch it.

Guys, I havent DAY GAMED in years.. as in not so much. I usually just go about my life and let things happen (with action). Given that I was doing something similar but EXPLORING a new city.. I AM .. ASKING! .. New Place, So better to ask than to do the wrong thing.

Now, I know its not a good idea for here. And I know that I missed a DTF girl for that night.. who offered herself to me (with her friend).

(10-14-2014 10:28 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  Approaching a Mexican couple and trying to get her number or flirting and expecting the guy not to do anything because you're taller and well dressed?

I dont know. I am just asking man. There are places where I've maintained contact with both of them (the couple) and the girl was keen on me, so things happened later.
Just asking, learning how MEX rolls. What kind of game plan to leverage.

Americas - Thanks for the best insights. A few comments on the DTF gal (above) would be additionally insightful.

Post: #74

BTW - Someone posted that on their trip to MEX they had matches on TINDER and these rich girls drove them around and showed them around spent money.. in addition to banging. They said it was REVERSAL given their experience with spending $$ on girls in Colombia.

Could you please post a PROFILE of what kind of girls they were? working/ studying.. US / foreign educated? $$ frequent shopping/ travel internationally?

And what kind of TINDER game was leveraged.

I am learning/ noticing a large variety of chicas... upper to middle to not so fancy class.. and not that I KNOW the various CLASSES/ FLAVORS of the girls, I am noticing there are certain differences.

Post: #75

(10-14-2014 11:28 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  Can you comment on the following?

So, these 2 girls (one invited me and was pretty keen).. atleast she was keen for that night.. she asked me to come along and even later at night said come over (to the club). ..

Wierdly, the foolsmate fools gold was a hottie who literally offered herself on a platter on the weekend, but once that NIGHT's WINDOW was gone (Doubts, Exhaustion, Trust/ Security concerns on my side until I pulled the trigger) has not responded at all after that night. Was she just up for fun/ DTF for the night's adventure ONLY?

Wondering about the girls here? The "signals" are kind of different. Need to learn to READ them better.

What am I supposed to say exactly? I have no idea. Two girls seemed to want to do something with you and you didn't pull through.