Post: #51

haha, figured this guy out.

He is basically acting like those hollywood actors and pop singers who sing/act in lovey-dovey film roles. The Mr Darcy types who make women swoon and how they're marketed to make them appeal to a much broader audience.

Wider audience = bigger figures. I'm not too sure about his quoted blog downloads and viewings but he has a product which is popular amongst a wider audience than the likes of Bang can reach.

By being seen to be a changed man he gains access to much more pussy than he first acknowledged in his frat days. All he has to do is use his snake oil salesman pitch and women fall for it.

Post: #52

My artist's rendition of the stats that MikeCF posted:

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Post: #53

Long story short: It's a marketing error. Tucker Max is nothing without Ryan Holiday, as The Mating Grounds proved.

Tucker had a huge audience a few years ago. Then he melted down after his movie failed. He was so butt hurt that he left L.A. to live in Austin, TX.

He went into hiding. This created a vacuum.

Roosh and Roissy filled the vacuum.

Tucker Max returned.

Rather than start his own movement or create his own niche, he wanted the guys who left his site for Roosh's to come back. Hence why he trash talked Roosh.

He's realizing that isn't going to happen and he's desperate. Now he's making up lies and trying to get other frauds like Jordan Harbinger to validate his lies.

The only people Max appeals to are the PUA Hate crowd.

Tucker Max does not allow comments on his website because then people would see that he has no real, organic audience for the Mating Grounds. (If you do a search for "Tucker Max" on Twitter, you'll see that everyone is bro high-fiving him for his trash books.)

Look at his iTunes ratings. They are horrible.

Keep in mind that Tucker Max comes from the Tim Ferriss school of buying ratings and reviews, too. Even with his efforts, this is what his shitty podcast is reviewed at. The Mating Grounds Podcast has almost as many 2 and 1 star reviews as 5 star (fake) reviews.

   

Now compare his ratings and reviews to a podcast like Danger & Play - a podcast with no media company or marketing blitz behind it.

192 ratings with 99% of them being 5 star.

   

Now imagine you're Tucker.

Hollywood kicked your ass.

Roosh is kicking your ass.

Danger & Play is kicking your ass.

Butt Hurt City.

Post: #54

(10-10-2014 04:59 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  He doesn't want to interview me because it goes against his values. But his name rung a bell so I put it in my Gmail. He first contacted me in 2008 asking to review Bang...

Then he used an intermediary in 2011 to ask me for an interview. I declined.

Maybe my content changed since 2011 and I became against everything he stands for. But then he asked for an interview again this year:

And AGAIN not even 5 months ago:

Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

Holy shit...unbelievable.

These guys are just pathetic. Or beyond pathetic.

I have to conclude from this that they're either (1) totally delusional; or (2) desperate to show their relevance by trying to pick a fight with you.

The proof is right there, and you got them.

I wonder if it's a better tactic to smash them again in an ROK article, or to bury them by ignoring them completely.

Post: #55

(10-10-2014 06:31 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:59 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  He doesn't want to interview me because it goes against his values. But his name rung a bell so I put it in my Gmail. He first contacted me in 2008 asking to review Bang...

Then he used an intermediary in 2011 to ask me for an interview. I declined.

Maybe my content changed since 2011 and I became against everything he stands for. But then he asked for an interview again this year:

And AGAIN not even 5 months ago:

Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

Holy shit...unbelievable.

These guys are just pathetic. Or beyond pathetic.

I have to conclude from this that they're either (1) totally delusional; or (2) desperate to show their relevance by trying to pick a fight with you.

The proof is right there, and you got them.

I wonder if it's a better tactic to smash them again in an ROK article, or to bury them by ignoring them completely.

Smash them on ROK

Post: #56

(10-10-2014 06:34 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 06:31 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:59 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  He doesn't want to interview me because it goes against his values. But his name rung a bell so I put it in my Gmail. He first contacted me in 2008 asking to review Bang...

Then he used an intermediary in 2011 to ask me for an interview. I declined.

Maybe my content changed since 2011 and I became against everything he stands for. But then he asked for an interview again this year:

And AGAIN not even 5 months ago:

Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

Holy shit...unbelievable.

These guys are just pathetic. Or beyond pathetic.

I have to conclude from this that they're either (1) totally delusional; or (2) desperate to show their relevance by trying to pick a fight with you.

The proof is right there, and you got them.

I wonder if it's a better tactic to smash them again in an ROK article, or to bury them by ignoring them completely.

Smash them on ROK

I second.

Post: #57

I'm somewhat shocked at how far Tucker Max has fallen. He is now reduced himself to attacking his "rivals" and just making shit up. Granted, he was always a bit of a bullshitter, but the dude was a huge deal just a few years ago, and now he is on track to become a nobody. Amazing.

Someone on Return of Kings should do a post titled "The Decline and Fall of Tucker Max" and give Tucker the Edward Gibbon treatment.

Post: #58

(10-10-2014 06:40 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  

Quote:Smash them on ROK

I second.

I third.

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Post: #59

Double post.

Post: #60

Stick a fork on him on ROK. It's quite obvious he and his guest were grasping for attention.

All in all, what we have heard is their tantrum.

Post: #61

(10-10-2014 06:43 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I'm somewhat shocked at how far Tucker Max has fallen. He is now reduced himself to attacking his "rivals" and just making shit up. Granted, he was always a bit of a bullshitter, but the dude was a huge deal just a few years ago, and now he is on track to become a nobody. Amazing.

Someone on Return of Kings should do a post titled "The Decline and Fall of Tucker Max" and give Tucker the Edward Gibbon treatment.

Don't leave out Jordan Harbinger and his lame pickuppodcast. He needs to get checked by ROK.

Post: #62

I think it just should be about Jordan. Negative publicity is still publicity and your doing what Tucker wants when you trash him. He just goes and misinterprets (kind of like a women) what you say to benefit himself like he did with the last video. Jordan past associations should be dredged up to tarnish this false image he is presenting of himself.

Post: #63

HArd decision. I would love to see ROK go in on these sad excuses for men, but they don't deserve the attention at all.

Post: #64

(10-10-2014 05:42 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  This is so bizarre.

Tucker is a guy who defended Neil Strauss on his forum. Now he's got the moral high ground on "sociopath" pick-up artists?

When I first saw his site, I thought "oh cool, I guess he's gonna start writing again."

Now I see, it's all about the money.

Didn't see it before because money's not a huge motivator for me. At least, not enough to sell-out principles.

But his explanation of Roosh's video... it's like he isn't even in the same reality as the rest of us.

That guy had such an opportunity for a comeback, but he blew it so hard. I don't even feel sorry for him.

RIP Tucker.

Exactly what I thought on this one! He simply blew it! The worst part about it is that I think he knows he's full of shit right now, but he made the choice to go after the $$$ and the blue pill crowd! That's what I think because on his website about a year ago he wrote a 3 part article breaking down feminism that was on par with the ones on ROK and rooshv.com. This is a pure cash grab and the latest post from Roosh simply exposes it!

Post: #65

Working title for this "story" in Max's next (last) book: "The time I Turned the Ball Over on Downs"

Post: #66

Listened to a couple of minutes of the podcast and got a very effeminate, bitchy vibe from these dudes. Hope they fail.

Post: #67

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

His statements exactly match the thinking I suggested earlier.

I've been pondering why Beta Men are so easily-manipulated by degenerate movements for their own purposes, and I think it's because the lack Dark Triad qualities and instead share the degenerate thinking of Emotionalism / Irrationalism / Symbolism: which I think might just be The Beta Triad.

A woman needs a man to be stoic to give her a safety net for indulging her emotions; and he needs to be sensible in action based upon a logical, observable understanding of the world to reign her in from self-destruction and ruin based upon her feeling and instincts.

If a man is acting the same way as her, due to the Beta Triad, he will repulse her, as he is weak, unreliable and of little use.

These guys are targeting an entirely-different market than Roosh or Mike, and are of no threat whatsoever. They're cultivating Betas.

Foolsgold Wrote:He is basically acting like those hollywood actors and pop singers who sing/act in lovey-dovey film roles. The Mr Darcy types who make women swoon and how they're marketed to make them appeal to a much broader audience.

Mr. Darcy is classic Dark Triad, which is why he's been making women wet for a couple of hundred years. The 'Pride' in the title is describing his arrogance. He ignores Elizabeth's beauty when other men are subservient to it; repeatedly pushes and pulls by negging and grudgingly-complimenting; makes her qualify herself to meet what she believes are his superior expectations; and navigates her shit tests and criticisms with wit and ease.

201 years have passed. The language and customs have changed, but the male-female sexual tension still plays out exactly the same way. Jane Austen recognised game.

Post: #68

Why don't someone get in the fucking ring? You can't be "alpha" and talk shit online. Man up and I got $1k to start the sanctioned fight. Put up or shut up.

Post: #69

(10-10-2014 11:10 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Why don't someone get in the fucking ring? You can't be "alpha" and talk shit online. Man up and I got $1k to start the sanctioned fight. Put up or shut up.

I'll step into the ring with Tucker.

Post: #70

^ Getting in the ring plays into Tucker's hands. He's needs the publicity, Roosh doesn't.

Post: #71

(10-10-2014 11:49 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ^ Getting in the ring plays into Tucker's hands. He's needs the publicity, Roosh doesn't.

Agreed, but I still wanna watch DeathToFatties kick his ass.

Post: #72

So who is this Max bloke then?

I've never heard of him before this and the last thread.

Post: #73

Roosh's books have given me dozens of hours of valuable advice that helped me improve my skills with women, not to mention entertainment value because his writing is funny as fuck. When I ended a six year relationship that I had for most of my twenties, my ability to flirt with other girls hadn't just weakened, it had atrophied. My fitness was shit and I had no confidence. I slept with a lot of hot girls in college, and all of a sudden, average girls wouldn't even hold eye contact with me. So, bitter and angry - not only at women, but mostly at myself - I started reading this forum, and ROK. Started lifting. Started working on myself and my game, making approaches, because I realized from reading other men's experiences such as Roosh's, that nothing was going to happen unless I made it happen. No one gives it to you. The change must come from within.

The progress was slow. But it came. I pulled my first girl the night I finished reading Bang, a Polish cutie with an ass that gave me boners even when it was miles away. Dated her for about half a year. Continued to lift, approach, and work on myself. Had a lot of hiccups and moments of insecurity. But, the progress continued. A year and a half later, I have made so many changes to my life I barely recognize that sad sack that I was in pictures from 2012-early 2013 and before.

I made moves and live in Eastern Europe now, make good money, am in the best shape of my life and the strongest I have ever been, and most importantly - I am better with women. I currently have three girls who I am sleeping with, two sevens and and eight, one is American and the kind of always-been-hot girl who I know for a fact would never have ever looked at me before. The other two are European. Out of the three, only one is a girl I wouldn't consider for a longer term relationship.

I still have a long way to go but I am no longer scared of the challenge. My biggest weaknesses remain approach anxiety and dance game (I am a terrible dancer), but I started keeping an approach journal which is helping motivate me to not be a pussy,and I have signed up for dance classes.

The point of all this is, I did this because Roosh's books inspired me to. These podcast dickheads come off like this was some sort of scam, that I got ripped off, or that my positive results were some kind of anomaly. Bull. Shit. I could have taken or left the information I read. I paid $4.99 or whatever for a few e-books, which is nothing. The value returned to me for those insignificant purchases was exponential. Roosh is not scamming anyone.

Read that again, Tucker, since we all know you're here lurking for negative comments about yourself like an insecure thirteen year-old, reading every post, making comments under your breath in a Clueless-inspired inflection that if shortened to a higher pitch could not be distinguished from a typical American college girl's.

Roosh is the man. Guys like me are grateful, because in sharing his notes about girls, travel, and game, Roosh offered us knowledge that may have eluded us otherwise, or may have been very difficult to obtain. That's it. This isn't a cult, a scam, or anything that you suggest. We are guys comparing notes. What has Tucker Max done for his fellow man recently? Are you the guy sharing his notes so other guys can pass the test, or are you the effortless jerkoff who sits in the back of the class and makes fun of others for trying?

Post: #74

(10-11-2014 04:29 AM)Buddydowrongright Wrote:  Read that again, Tucker, since we all know you're here lurking for negative comments about yourself like an insecure thirteen year-old, reading every post, making comments under your breath in a Clueless-inspired inflection that if shortened to a higher pitch could not be distinguished from a typical American college girl's.

Roosh is the man. Guys like me are grateful, because in sharing his notes about girls, travel, and game, Roosh offered us knowledge that may have eluded us otherwise, or may have been very difficult to obtain. That's it. This isn't a cult, a scam, or anything that you suggest. We are guys comparing notes. What has Tucker Max done for his fellow man recently? Are you the guy sharing his notes so other guys can pass the test, or are you the effortless jerkoff who sits in the back of the class and makes fun of others for trying?

You need to post more often.

Post: #75

I check out Ryan Holiday's blog sometimes. I think he's a sharp guy. He used to always sing Tucker's praises and for the life of me I couldn't understand why. Now, the more this idiot makes a sorry spectacle of himself, the more I'm convinced it was just his bottom line Ryan was "appreciating". He probably just pimped this idiot out and used him as a ladder towards bigger and better things.